Hoops & Kenty clash over Ivan Cleary's questioning of refs | NRL 360 

The referees should not be beyond reproach, I 100% agree with Kenty

“Questioning integrity” isnt that what journalists do aswel?

Can someone explain to me what is bad about "questioning the integrity of the match officials"..?

Can’t believe I’m saying this.... I’m 100% with Kenty on this one!! Ben and Hoops need a lesson in what unconscious bias.

I never thought I'd like Kenty but James Hooper makes it possible lol

The bald headed guy thinks the game is so pure that there’s no corruption. NRL has had it in the past and it will always have it. Always have it.

I agree with Kent here

last week, I literally tweeted exactly what Paul Kent said.

"I'm just saying he was correct. Doesn't mean it's right" lol

I don't always agree with Kenty, but he's 100% on to it here. We've seen several times, the second half ref makes more calls in favor of the losing team. I don't think it makes the NRL the WWE in its matches but for sure there is a sub-conscious bias in the second half. Or even sometimes, the ref is absolutely out to get certain players with bad reputations, it isn't a deliberate witch hunt, they are just looking harder for certain things to penalize at certain times. Also, why can't we question the integrity of the refs? They're supposed to have the highest levels of honesty and integrity. If they've done nothing wrong they wouldn't be upset when people come out and attack them. We know the refs are dodgy, they make mistakes and there are some ridiculous statistics when you start looking at the patterns between which referee is paired with which teams and the correlating win percentages. THERE IS AN INTEGRITY PROBLEM

In all institutions you have to be able to question the systems, because sometimes the integrity has been compromised. Well done to Ivan and kenty for raising the issue of sub conscious bias of penalty counts. Need a scientific study to see if there is any validity.

Gotta get Hooper off the show

FFS Refs have been caught going upstairs asking what the tally is and then start handing out penalties to the team with the lesser count. This Hooper bloke is a deadset flog.. hook him from the show already.. he knows jacks*it.

You dudes remember the grand final last year 6 again? I've been questioning their integrity since Ricky Stuart got suspended for the exact same thing

LOL Ben Ikin doesn't know how subconscious works.

If coaches can’t speak their mind, what’s the point of press conferences ?

I tend to agree with kent on most things

Kent is right. Referees aim to have minimal differences between team penalty counts. But that doesn’t make it right to question the integrity of of a referee.

Hooper at it again. He is a dead set Flog.

Loved the discussion. Well done and thanks.

The Warriors have been dealing with this kind of nonsense with match officials since their franchise began. Good it's been brought to light to at least have discussions openly about it

It's not good for business to have blowout scorelines all the time they're told to keep games close.

I agree with Kent on this one!

I've always enjoyed watching these heated discussions on the show I find them quite entertaining...the amount of times(and still do) that I've watched the heated discussions on the show back with the bulldogs over the hotel room mad monday fiasco I love seeing individuals feedback.

Im sick and tired of Paul Kent spiteful jealousy of Cameron Smiths career and sledging him and saying he’s stopping other younger players from playing.. I hope Cameron plays on as many people’s do and not be childishly pressured by one or two seriously nasty commentators wanting Cameron gone. Cameron if you want to keep playing mate go for it

Kent is right. The refs have been far from good for many years. It's a game of momentum and the refs run with that too much sometimes. In saying that, Cleary is a bit full of himself and deserves to be pinged. $20k is a bit much though.

As a ref I completely get what Kenty means if the score is 24 nil subconsciously somewhere where you might not call a penalty usually say a borderline high tackle, you would or the biggest example was where Martin came in as a second player, and took out Rapana, 9/10 times that is called in to touch but it was a penalty, yes the challenge had to be used but that is usually not a winning challenge.

Obviously Hooper never watched a warriors game

I question the Integrity of the referees, the judiciary, the salary-cap auditors, the Bunker and the NRL competition as a whole. The amount of games decided by an incorrect refereeing decision is dodgy as hell.

If you dont think it happens, just watch any Warriors game from the last 10 years

Literally just answered a question from a journo with his honest opinion. He said he "felt a bit like they were being managed back into the game". He didn't claim they were in on the take, he was just feeling like they were getting a more lenient end of the stick, it happens. So no, I don't think he questioned the integrity of the officials

first time i ever agree with kent.....the refs do this regularly

refs should be scrutinized to the same level as players and coaches .....

Hoops has more hair than common sense

I would rather hear someone speak their mind then not hear anything from coaches. They are humans just like supporters and I guarantee you almost every game there will be supporters out there that blame the ref for certain instances. Overall who cares

Afl coaches can question integrity lmao

There was a single call that did it for me. It was in the second half. Canberra kicked the ball into the corner, was going dead, and it was (I think) Cotric batted it back in, and it hit Mansour who was had a foot on the dead in goal line. Bunker called Panthers drop out. Go back a week, and an almost identical call in the Roosters vs Titans. Tedesco bats the ball back, into Ash Taylor who had a foot on the line, 20m restart. So which one is it? Another call that went against Penrith. The Liam Martin, Jordan Rapana call. They deemed that the tackle was done the moment the ball touched the ground. If Rapana drops the ball backwards, the touchies flag stays down, and say, Jack Wighton dives on the ball. It is play on and we never hear about it again. But because Martin say Rapana trying to offload, he helped him over the sideline.

if you don't think it happens, just watch and see how many penalties and set restarts Souths receive when they are on the back foot

Should change this show name to The NRL View. Bunch of headless roosters going round in circles, haha!

But what if the refs are being bias? Who would know, we can’t question there integrity.

Kent is spot on here

Whenever Fox League use the words "Clash" or "Fight" it never turns out that way.

It happens ever week, it’s why I stopped bet on it

Kenty is dead on , You see a lot of 50/50 calls going the way of the team that is down to try and get them back in the game ...

Has Hoops and Buzz ever played Rugby League?

2:17, literally watch any melbourne game, melbourne get just about any penalty possible, 50 50 call and penalties which shouldn't be given until the game is out of reach for the other team, then the other team 'coincidentally' start to get all of the 50 50 calls and penalties that they really shouldn't get and sure enough, the penalty count evens up

Tell your refs to get it right then. The reffing for many yrs now has been shocking. Last yr in a grand final the ref waived 6 again, then changed his mind and let play go on. That was a freakin grand final champ, not acceptable. Can we the fans fine the refs for a loss that they could cause??? lol

It happens all the time.. The ref's worry about themselves and how they look.

If you think referees don't square up... you're delusional

Cleary did not say manage he said massage there's a difference. I don't understand why they can't use the exact language Cleary used. I'm a Penrith supporter' but I hundred percent agree with cleary's analysis of the second half...he shouldn't have said it though. Always going to be a fine as soon as he said it... but 20 grand

Oh they definitely manage games

Integrity!!!!!????? The stats prove the Warriors have had the worst of it for years. Maybe it happened years ago!!!!!!!? Still happening now! Stage managed? Hell to the fucken yea

Anyone who watches games on a regular basis, knows this happens. I heard one of the refs tell the other ref what the penalty count was. I thought everyone knew.

In my opinion Bennett's offence of breaching the COVID rules was worse.

Surely this is a beat up to flog a dead horse namely NRL 360. For those unable to distinguish between "management" and "unconscious bias" I recommend the Macquarie.

If it's obvious it's obvious. Cant argue with it

NRL is turning into that Yankee wrestling.

Match officials = protected species

It's fucking called freedom of speech

Yeah be careful we dont want another Melbourne storm allegation

I am beginning to agree with Kent

The NRL don't muck around. Do the crime one day executed the next.

I think its good how he used the word subconscious he really is talking about very fickle penalties. The obvious stuff is concious completely yes. But there is iffy decisions made fast.

What is hoops on about

Why don't match officials get a hefty fine when costing a game, eg Raiders ripped off in 2019 Grand Final. Fine them $1000 per mistake, I guarantee there will be less mistakes, do they get their sports bet account checked from time to time? JMHO

Saying that the refs 'managed' the team back into it, implies that the refs had an agenda. Which you are not allowed to do. If he had of said.. "The ref made a stupid call which was totally wrong" that that would have been ok. In saying that, I think Ivan is right. Refs do provide 'square-ups'.

Hasn't Hoops been a good paddock of late

Henry perenara..last twenty on Friday was manlys best on feild....leg up after leg up...penalty...binning...etc etc....

Man I find it hard to listen to anything Hooper says. He has got no idea on any subject.

100% the refs are being told to manage the games a close game is a more profitable game

Cleary is right!!! Valandys getting a bit too powerful for his own self!! Humility is coming your way!!!

Hooper if you think there is absolutely no type of match fixing or point spread fixing in the nrl you have your head in the sand. Have alook around and see how many players are linked with organised crime groups, and you think some match officials aren't linked in some way. Anywhere you have betting on results there at some stage is match altering behaviour. Was never a Paul Kent fan but the more I hear the guy speak the more I like him across a range of sports, Kenty is very good at his job and i agree with him all the way on this one.

Paul Kent's a dope

I’m with Kenty here definitely

Why do coaches do press conference straight after the game with emotions on a high and expected to not talk about issues they identify in the game ...yes refs are only human but its a game and decision made should be questioned. Coaches jobs are on the line each week

i totally agree Refs have their favourite team and players Broncos 2 Spuths 12 penalties

100% agree with Kenty

I hate how refs go to the bunker for a try that’s clearly a try. Just go ahead and just call it without the help up stairs.

The refs are dodgy as.ivan knows how dodgy they are he used to coach the warriors.

100% they are staging some games same with the AFL of not well they need to change the refs

I agree with Kenty and Buzz

100% Kenty is on the money

Dead set cannot believe I thought hooper was any good. He Was once one of the good guys 😫 Kent 💯 spot on

the ref's should be fined for consistent false calls or a form of punishment like the players

Ivan's right get your refs to call both sides

Ok then the ref need to be called out on the calls they do on the warriors. Bad calls on the warriors every week

Who to say the referees don't get on Sportsbet if they are smart enough and cover there tracks it's easy money they got the whistle game over I'm sure it's happened in the history of rugby league

Plot twist:months later.... panthers grand final winners thanks to the refrees..

Buzz he loves putting words in people's mouth's

They ARE stage managing games and everyone knows it. It's obvious and it's been happening for years.

I actually agree with kenty for once

....I think the refs should be fined for the BAD decisions that they make when it costs a team a win, .....its happened again this season a few times !!!

Ivan said it in the heat of the moment. Someone asked a question about refs and he said what he was really thinking. Sometimes dumb decisions by refs cost teams games-- potentially a form of ‘managing’ a team back into a game or giving them a win. Hardly 20,000 worth of error though - Villain-Dey’s overreacted. Human error happens with comments and ref decisions. Nobody fines the refs 20k when they stuff a game up. And maybe fine the journo for asking a loaded question Villain-Dey’s.

Love the show,,, kenty might b one of the best reporters in the game,,, but he always makes it about him,,,, get my drift,,,,, thats y i stopped watchn nrl360 weather the ref is right or not,,,weather u speak negative bout a ref in a rude way or nice way,,, u crossed that line,,,, u get punished 4 that,,, rules r rules,,, for the penrith coach and others suck it up,,,,, b humble win or loss

The reffs do help teams back into matches to keep viewers watching. It’s all about money. Views = $$$ its corruption from the top. All about viewers. Closer games = more people tuned in to that channel and more bums in seats , which again = $$$. The reffs are very controlled and know what they’re doing. Because they’re getting more $$$ too.

Hoooooray, someone wth balls, LEAVE DA REFS ALONE, they make mistakes, part n parcel of da game

I'm sick of hearing this role model Bullshit.

Really Ben you sound like your trying a bit hard to make sure people don't think this about the refs very suss

The six again rule has to go... it's bulshit

Hoops you are a muppet.... compare this with Fonua Blake and see what you think..... you seem to forget the fact the last 2 years there hasn’t been a round we haven’t had a blunder from refs.... including the GF last year..... why don’t Referees get penalised and fined when they make errors..... Ivan is paid to coach panthers .... press conferences are the last place he wants to be.... how about we hold the refs accountable.