@@Happymali10 "Do private sellers in the (UK (?)) have to offer refunds? " In general no. But on Ebay, if the item is not as described, you can return it, at the seller's expense for a full refund.. This is guaranteed by Ebay. Ebay refunds you and recovers the money from the seller. Do it straight away and don't mess around dismantling it.
@@neiloflongbeck5705 Keep up - we live in the 21st century. Distance Selling Regulations effectively renders caveat emptor redundant for any online purchase.
@@neiloflongbeck5705 Neil, when it comes to eBay it is very much a case of ‘seller beware’. The description needs to be entirely accurate. (This is one of eBay’s attractions for buyers) This model breaches the description guidelines in several instances, and there would have been no question of a full refund.
@@struck2soon a close examination of the first photo (at the 2:45 mark) shows the damage to the right hand cab. There is clear evidence of the damage. Whilst the seller has failed to mention this and the mismatched bogies in the written description they have included clear photographs showing the faults and thus is not in breach of the requirements to give an accurate description of the item. The buyer is therefore at fault for not looking closely.
@@LittleWicketRailway It would be more defiant if you kept it running. Turning the disadvantages into advantages. Act as if the real locomotive was involved in an accident : repair the cab but make it obvious (weld seams, newer paint job). Leave the wrong pieces as makeshift replacements for damaged parts. Only the cabs would require a more fitting interior.
I once bought a Triang f7 which was in pretty good shape. Like your model, it had a small crack in the back but when I took the shell off to check the motor, there was a huge spider web in it.
Must admit I have had one or two Like this is ,but eBay has always been spot on with a refund.......but look on the bright side ....I know someone that ordered a workbench from amazon,and had a plastic shower tray delivered!!
If it is damaged and as advertised in reasonable condition - shouldn't have any cracks / breakages, ask for a refund back - if you keep it convert the loco into a scrapyard heap model.
As we say in engineering circles... "assumption is the mother of all fk ups" but hey look on the bright side, at least you have a handful of spares for different logos..... kudos for taking it so well and doing a video though!
Well straight away, just looking at it, 02:19 the thing doesn't even sit on the rails properly. I would have given that a miss, for that alone. Look at how the bogie on the left, fits into the body. The "model" looks cobbled together to get rid of it. You should have returned it, mate.
I think the seller should have been a least honest about the cracked body. My dad had one of these around 1977. It did run quite well. Very dated though now. He may have still got it?
Very amusing , I feel your pain. I have sold lots of class 25 s on evilBay , I love upgrading them adding flush glazing , handrails , 22” Oleos , detailing no1 end and adding DCC chips. I would never sell one like that!
That sounds like to serious upgrading! Bet they look amazing. I wouldn't have the abilities/patience. Changing the couplings on an autocoach nearly pushed me over the edge last night. I might treat myself to the new Helijan class 25 when it comes out.
I wouldn't touch ebay, I'm the proud owner of the cheap and cheerful hornby class 25. I bought it used apart from it tilts slightly I'm happy. I've subbed to your channel
Ebay seller: Sorry to hear you're not satisfied with my excellent item. But I have a solution that I feel can benefit us both without needing a refund. I'm emailing you a photo of a real British Rail Class 25. If you have a printer ready you can print it off and stick the photo on the model so it'll look satisfactory and saves hours of work. Thanks again!
Its like some demonic entity that steals parts from other trains so as to become a train itself. I would throw holy water on it before its too late and it begins devouring the other trains on the layout xD
Thanks for the video and your honesty - we all mess up on eBay from time to time! I think I'd sell the class 43 power bogie, acquire two correct non-power bogies (hopefully with the proceeds) and use it as a non-powered scrapyard scene loco with the non-cab end against a wall.
Thanks Tim 👍 I dropped the class 43 motor into my 125 dummy car so I've got power at both ends, although even with two motors it still stuggles to move with 7 coaches. Scrap scene seems to be a popular option for the rest.
That wouldn't be fair. As others have said, even though this was months after I'd bought it if I was really unhappy then I should have asked for a refund and tried to return it. It was my choice to keep it in the end and some of the issues might have been genuine mistakes from the seller. If they're a consistently bad seller then this will be reflected in their seller rating and they won't be in business for long.
@@LittleWicketRailway so, the seller got away with this, and therefore their seller rating isn't an accurate representation of their true personality. That bodywork break is a major fault that shouldn't/couldn't have been "forgotten." It was a deliberate ommission from the description, as was I suspect the interior. I've purchased a massive amount of stuff off of eBay since almost the beginning, and have luckily never come across such deception.
a very good review from an enthusiast, who has been v ery kind to the junk the seller sold, I learned a lot from little wicket, as I own an original class 25, he only needs new traction tyres.:)
At the sight of a crack in the bodywork and again the glazing I would have opened an eBay return as none of this damage was in the sale description. It makes it one expensive chassis unless you bought the loco dirt cheap.
Take my advice avoid eBay I have brought and sold on that site. Selling was expensive and had to put up with abusive buyers who claimed this was wrong or that was wrong when in fact they wanted a free model and refund. Buying was an mixed bag had a couple junk buys then had to go through their long winded refund process too me it's not worth it I prefer Amazon or buying from an model shop. When I closed my eBay account it was a day of great joy😊
I've had one or two bad experiences, but overall it's been positive I think. I couldn't justify buying new models when I was starting out so Ebay was a great source of second hand stuff at good prices. Selling fees can be high unless you catch one of their £1 selling fee promotions that they do a few times a year.
Personally I can't say I understand the attraction with these old Hornby locos. Nostalgia value perhaps? But if it's an actual model you're looking for, and not a toy train, the Bachmann 25 is superior in every respect.
Great and funny video there m8 ,, i once bought a pair of carriages from a seller and I presumed looking at the pics and the in the description it was a ho or oo scale as there was nothing listed as a TT model anywhere except for in one spot in the basic listing which i have to admit i totally missed .. The carriages were in sort of ok condition according to the fotos but when i received them the bloody things had shrunk big time and because it had no where in the heading or the description there was no mention of TT anywhere and explained to him that i wanted a refunded as they were no use to me as i run HO or OO and if it was in the description or the heading i would have queried it as i had never seen a TT scale before ,, i sent the seller a msg and explained that i wanted a refund due to lack of info and as I took some pics anoticed there was cracks in the plastic and paint missing and just wanted a refund as i have no use for it.. I know as a prevoius seller for 7 years straight if the buyer wants a refund just do it and especially if it was my blunder that the buyer wants a refund so just do whats asked as you can always sell it again and I used to get better money for it second go around hahah. Cheers from John in Australia.
Too many clear errors in the listing never mind the pictures to put me off. I mean how much did this beauty cost, a tenner? It's not hard to buy off EBay especially if you dont just home in on low prices. Number of transactions the seller has should always be your starting point. If it's very low, beware, have they created a new account for some reason? Feedback, do they have a number of negative feedback comments? This seller said they were selling a big collection, what else did they have up for sale on EBay? A couple of items wouldnt hold with the big collection thinning out. Plenty of red flags here. And once getting the model, Id have requested a refund and opened a case if refused. Never dismantle an Ebay item. Once you do that, you destroy any chance of a refund as the seller will say you've damaged it and EBay will agree with them.
Talk to Sam of Sam's Trains. You are brave to buy off e-bay when nearly all model shops have second hand stuff. To me modelling has always been a tactile hobby. Again if you can touch it you can see things, maybe. Would like to hear the out come .
I don't think you said how much you paid for it. If it was only a few quid, then great, a decent motor and some spare parts... But I guess it was more :-(
been there done that with locos of ebay several years ago, if the description does not match with the photos, maybe avoid it, spelling mistakes should be give away to a cheeky seller, the hornby 25 in that condition, should have been listed as spares or repair, take some spares of it, chuck the rest in the bin, if i want a loco from ebay, i usually purchase new with a lower than RRP price or purchase second hand from well know sellers that i have purchased from in the past.
@@LittleWicketRailway Go for the July 1984 nuclear flask crash test diorama that was filmed by the BBC/ITV; your greatest expense would be lighter fluid!💥😆
Thx for this Video. Makes me feel better about 1 or 2 of my OO purchases from Ebay. Where Photos are Cunningly taken avoiding Body Damage. Or the Old Chestnut 'It was working fine before I posted it..!' I Now don't buy and Loco without all 12 photo's being used. And make sure that One side Doesn't take up most of the Pic's. But it's pretty difficult to avoid the Occasional Crafty Fellow that inhabit Ebay. Love the 'Full Christian Bale' reference in your Scale. You just gained a New subscriber. Cheers Kim in Oz. 😎
I was looking back at your past films Rob as saw this one. It is unfortunate that you had a bad experience from an eBay seller for this Class 25. Hopefully I will find the continution to this and see your handy work to upgrade and repare the locomotive. By the way, a great spook-tacular ending of the Monster Rat, LOL.. Plus, cheers for the tip about the Model Rail Database website, I will find this very useful for my Rolling Stock info that is missing various details on my own lists.
Loved your video, it's a real object lesson, there seems to be a trend now of people selling utter junk at extortionate prices on auction Web sites, people really do need to be very careful, even with an item that appears to be brand new.! I also think that anyone selling on auction sites should be compelled to post very good quality photos of both sides of an item as part of the description or have the sale rejected by the auction site, all to often the photos are of poor quality, which is a nightmare when looking at items from some mobile phones, and the seller seems to think he or she can hide behind the fact that they have asked the potential buyer to use the photos as part of the description, that's fine if you have "very good quality" photos showing everything, otherwise buyer beware even with the more expensive items.
This is my first time watching any of your videos. I'm sorry you had a bad experience with this locomotive but it made a very interesting subject and a good warning to study potential eBay purchases. I enjoy buying 2nd hand locomotives and getting them to work from 'dead' or helping them run better. I'm off to watch more of your productions. Cheers.
Come on! you have to admire the nerve of the seller! Or did he (presumably) think we were all as stupid as he? Thanks for, at least, assuring the rest of us, that we are not the only fools to be 'had' over an eBay purchase. I like to buy 'non-runners' for restoration, and some of them, you'd hardly believe how bad they were! Yet look OK in the listing, So, don't feel bad about missing the broken case - there is much worse! Cheers, enjoying your channel. Jim L
eBay is full of scumbags wanting top money for rubbish at the moment (I have been stung twice this year already) The one that annoyed me the most was a class 31 and three MK2 carriages that I picked up mid January... the 31 was described as Good Condition, good runner. it came with a massive melt mark across the body and roof...not a big issue weathering will hide it, that was the start of a list of issues... The rear pickup bogie has had the wires cut from the pick ups, again bit of solder no big issue, during a service, and under the piles of filth around the apparent running model, I found three track pins jammed in the gears.... At this point I had already dismantled the model so I figured I’d just mend it, clean the wheels and get it running, that I now have... The 31 also came with three mk2 coaches, all three had bogie parts missing, couplings and piles of grime and marks. Contacted the seller, he ignored the fact he had sold me an absolute lemon of a loco and offered to replace one of the carriages... Reported to eBay.... and moved on... guy was either clearing out someone’s possessions and couldn’t be bothered to look at the loco prior to sale, or was passing on damaged goods. Lesson learned, if it’s too good to be true, it probably is...
I know that this might seem a bit mad but I have pre oarded a Heljan class 25 from Hatterns and this is brand new so I know it might seem expencef but thats the way I go
1st photo shows signs of body damage. 4th photo shows glazing issue and mismatch bogie. You should have taken the warning from these and salked away. Photographs are part of the description and thus the item was sold as described.
Actually, you need to realise that none of these things truly matter. As you cannot physically inspect the item prior to purchasing, you are covered by Distance Selling Regulations which entitles you to a full refund should the item not be as described. 'Not As Described' is a very loose term and can be infinitely perturbed, meaning that any item can be viewed as 'Not As Described' in one way or another and thus returned by law. Believe me - I've been selling for many years and have been on the wrong end of this situation many, many times.
@@neiloflongbeck5705 Obviously faulty to whom? To someone who knows what bogies are? To someone who knows that there should or shouldnt be a line that looks like a crack near the front cab?
@@PolishThatHandle346 yes, photo 1 shows signs of a repair to the rear cab area - discoloured plastic. The written description says reasonable but dusty, no mention of repairs. The 4th photo also shows signs of a jagged edge, due to careful positioning it's almost invisible. It is very easy to case the damage seen later, but almost impossible to repair without leaving a trace. Caveat emptor applies to all purchases. You may have legal protections, but you have to get hold of the seller first.
@@neiloflongbeck5705 That's my point - it shows signs of repair to you. The buyer cannot physically see that for themselves. They do not have the item in their hands or in front of them to clearly make that decision. Consequently, it is covered under Distance Selling Regulations and a claim for an item sold not as described can be raised. That is the only piece of law that you need. You don't have to get hold of the seller either - eBay will force this through for you if the seller is unresponsive.
@@LittleWicketRailway Look in your nearby model shop for Milliput. wipe the inside of the engine with meths to get the plastic clean. Then roll a thin - pencil lead thick piece of milliput. Press that into the crack and tie string tightly around the loco so the crack is squeezed together. Clean up as much excess milliput as you can. When it's cured, release the string and cleam up excess then paint. It's easy and cheap.
I've never got a bad ho scale locomotive so far but I have got a bad one from a hobby shop note if they only have something to do with you after they realize you are going to spend a lot of money do more research do not ask them for anything they will lie and tell you the locomotive will run on certain radius curves but the locomotive will derail and burst all to pieces when you try to put it back up
Hi David! I can't remember what feedback I gave, probably wasn't 5* on description. I could probably have tried for refund even after all that time, but had fun making the video. I've just seen a video of your Tenterden 2020 model railway exhibition, very nice! 👍
I left it so long before opening it that I didn't feel that I could try and return it. If I'd have tried to contact them and they'd refused to accept it back then I might have named them, but it's really my own fault for not checking the listing properly, not checking it when I received it and not sending it back immediately. You live and learn ay.
The seller probably thought the crack and whatnot was obvious from the photos. They perhaps should have mentioned the replacement bogies in the description just to be clear. But maybe they didn't know, maybe they even got the model like that themselves. Speaking of the crack, A. in the photos the crack actually looks like it's repaired (so it may have re-broken in transit) and B. as far as body shell cracks go that one's *nothing*. Fixing it's a simple CA glue job, and blending it is a quick sand and a couple licks of paint.
I don't think the seller was deliberately trying to rip me off. If you think it's fixable then I might give it a go. I'm partially colourblind so matching paint colours might be tricky, but got nothing to lose 👍
I doubt that this happens often in the UK because of compatibility issues, but in the USA, real locomotives have been run with mixed trucks (boggies). An example is on the Virginian RR, where there has been photographic evidence of a Fairbanks Morse MORSE H24-66 with one original truck, and one truck from a General Electric E33 (aka EL-C). There are other examples, so make up a story to explain the situation. In the case of the Virginian, the two kinds of locomotives where specified that way to make servicing easier. Both types had the same traction motors, even though one was an electric and the other a diesel-electric.
I would have bagged it up wrapped it and returned it, a year or 2 back I bought a steam loco off ebay took it out of the box and it fell to bits in my lap so straight back to seller with a ticking off txt
There's a box in my attic which contains an HO Class 33 in Railfreight livery. If that wasn't bad enough, it's body was reassembled with superglue after a tradesman dropped a ladder on it!
I’m sure everybody who plays this game gets stung now and again. I didn’t see the price you paid for this, but when you consider that a used ring field bogey starts from around £25 hey ho. Ive turned a class 29 and a 37 into dummy’s for Double heading. As one of your comments says, expect the worst and everything else is a bonus 😄 Happy Modelling 👍🏻
Very clearly not as described. And the photos were clearly all taken at angles so as to avoid showing the major body damage. And thats to say nothing of the incorrect bogies, odd buffers and host of internal issues. Seller was obviously trying to pull a fast one here and if it were me it would be going straight back to them for a refund. Really not worth the hassle when there are plenty of good sellers out there selling honest items. People who take the piss like this need to be called out otherwise they will just keep on doing it.
If I remember correctly the ZTC decoder works similarly to the old Hornby Zero one system which in itself is incompatible with DCC. The class 25 you bought is a real bitsa and not worth what you paid for it unless you can break it for parts to use on other models.
Well that's a great lesson learned. I must say I have bought some good bargains off of Ebay, both US, HO and UK outline OO gauge items, but never as bad as yours. I have noticed recently though, that the prices of items is climbing to the same level as you could pay for new in a model shop..........I once was watching a Heljan Class 128 that went for nearly £200 when you could buy a new one for £150!.......................Your Class 25 was a really old model, I think someone created it from bits in their scrap box. Apart from the crack and broken glazing how could they put bogies off of two different locos on it and call it a Class 25! I'm slightly surprised though you didn't spot that looking at the description before purchasing the loco. Having said that though, when I watched the video I didn't spot it at first.............Anyway a great lesson learned, best regards Dave.
So basically you got a bare class 25 chassis with a load of junk attached. When I first saw the whole thing I noticed the HST motor bogie and thought that doesn’t look right but that wasn’t the end of it. Some Ebayers have no scruples.
Haha, when you put it that way... junk is harsh, lets call it a class 25 hybrid. The HST bogie might come in handy, just got a old 125 that I want to convert to DCC with can motors at either end.
Should have sent is back and requested a refund. I have sold complete mint Hornby locos and the buyer has broken them and ebay forced me to refund after nearly 2 months. So i'm sure you would get a refund.
I'd say to anyone buying from ebay that when a seller says 'look at the pictures, they form part of the listing' is a big red flag. What they are in effect saying is that there's a fault on the picture that I'm not going to mention and its your fault if you don't spot it. Essentially they think they are somehow absolving themselves of liability for the faulty item.
i have been bitten by ebay so now i only use a couple of sellers i trust but mainly secondhand i buy from elaines trains she has good stocks keeps changing all tested and well packed and coaches wagons etc at great prices suggest you google elaines trains and have a look at the website i can recomend her iv been dealing with her over a year no problems at all
