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Love you so much!! Thanks for having me on! Crushhhhing it!

Being a FORMER LDS and a native American..im SOOOO GLAD I LEFT!! I HAD NO IDEA ABOUT ANY OF THIS.

FYI: My Japanese mother in law clarified it for me. People are Asian. Objects are oriental. I was confused and had asked her about the terminology. I hope this helps others ❤

As a Native American, this program is not only offensive, it's racist. God made people of all colors, races, and creeds. You can't erase someone's race, but try telling this to these so-called religious leaders.

My father left the Mormon Church when he turned 18. His main reason was the blatant racism within the doctrine.

When my sister was 16, her boyfriend was Mormon. He couldn’t masturbate, but he could pressure my sister into having sex with him. She got pregnant. His punishment was to “confess to the bishop.” Then they moved away to a new ward & he & his family never told a soul. He went on to do his Mission, marry a TBM & is raising his family in the church. He has daughters now. I wonder how he feels about their boyfriends & if he’s scared they’ll be just as much of an ass hole as he was when he was a teenager. My sister gave the baby up for adoption. The whole no masturbation thing is SO EFFED UP!

Wow. I have been a member for 36 years, and I am just recently learning the truth of the church history. I no longer consider myself a Mormon because I can not, in good conscience, align myself with such a religion that taught such horrific doctrine. The past matters! If past prophets taught false doctrine for 120 years, then that means the church is not actually led by Jesus Christ. Just another false church, led by false prophets. I'm done with it.

One of the interesting bits of trivia about the Book of Mormon is that one of the "evil" Lamanite clans (the "Lemuelites") was apparently named after the Smith family's old landlord, Lemuel Durfee. Durfee and the Smiths were originally on friendly terms, to the point that he purchased the land they were renting so that he could give them more lenient terms than their previous landlord had given them. His "thanks" for this favor was that the Smiths were often negligent on their rent, leading to friction between them, and Joseph Smith pettily naming a villain in the Book of Mormon after him.

Y'all I was born in Missouri and grew up JUST across the bridge in Kansas (the bridge being the one over the Missouri River) and I can assure you, Eden is not and was not EVER there. People that LIVE THERE don't jokingly pronounce it "Misery" instead of "Missouri" for nothing. 😂😂😂 P.S. Cults to Consciousness and Amanda Rae are my new fave channels. The work you're doing is so important and you're so good at it! Love it and love you!

I was working with my brother in law when two missionary's showed up. My brother in law told them we didn't want to talk to them. However, if they visited the house across the road he was sure he would talk to them. An hour and a half later we saw them leave the house. They stood on the side walk and looked lost. Finally the figure out where there car was and headed that direction..They never came back. The joke was the guy who lived across the street was a minister in the local church. He was not Mormon. However, he had done his PhD on the LDS church. He knew more about their church then they ever would and the gave them a lesson on what the LDS was all about. I wondered if they left the LDS.

Being a highly caucasian, pasty-skinned former LDS member from rural Utah who was raised in the church, I want to apologize for my part in perpetuating the stereotypes and misinformation the church indoctrinated us with. I know I hurt people, and not knowing better isnt an excise. Im doing my best now to combat this harmful rhetoric, and I truly hope those I hurt can find peace and healing.

As a Kansas City girlie … I promise you … there is NO Garden of Eden in Jackson County, MO. It’s 105 degrees here today and I don’t think any heavenly garden would get that hot 🥵

For me, the most interesting thing about these conversations are not the things that are specific to one religion, but the patterns that emerge from all of them and all the forms of fanatism (including the non religious ones) and all the instances where people gain power by making the "outsiders" a scape goat. These patterns are the kind of thing I try to be very aware of, and I try really hard to recognize them in all my interactions, because they explain so much of the hatred and division that is so very present all over the world. Thanks for your podcast and for this fabulous episode.

my heart dropped when Shelise said she felt triggered by the bishop’s interview 😔 we got you, you got you 💚

I grew up in a evangelical Christian church. Around the age of 11, I was diagnosed with a incurable autoimmune disease that made me extremely sick. A mentor from my church asked if I had some great sin in my life that could have caused this illness. When I responded that I didn’t know, she proceeded to tell me that it’s probably a punishment placed on me because my father was divorced.

My brother married a Morman, and they adopted a little boy who was probably Navajo. He grew up in a small Mormon community. He had a rough time. I thank you for giving me a clearer perspective of what he went through as well as some of the weird statements my SIL made.

My Mom is LDS, but she didn't raise us in the church. Watching your content helps me understand her so much better 😢

Thank you for addressing the Lamanite Program! My family participated. I was 6-7 yo when we "adopted a Lamanite". It impacted my family in unanticipated ways. It also made it so much harder for me to leave "The" Church. Thank you so much for putting this together! Healing. ❤

I am 65 and a former Mormon. When I was in Junior High, a native girl was placed with a family in our ward. I had no idea how awful it was. 😢

That cartoon made me want to claw my eyes out. The more I learn, the more I am so shocked at how patient folks outside the church were with me when I joined.

I grew up under Spencer W. Kimball. I am part Native and I remember him saying about White and delightsome. That use to be in the Book of Mormon. Then they changed "White and delightsome" to "pure and delightsome."

My grandpa who was an ex preacher(Christian) he set me down at a young age and told me to take the Bible for what it says to me not what others say. Cause everyone interprets differently and that’s alright. I am not religious but he was. I feel most religions try to push their views. Love listening. I find this interesting as I have friends who are Mormon and many others.

I had been inactive from my late teens to early 20s, but tried to be churchy again for a few years in my mid 20s. I was also planning to go on a mission, but had to be worthy first. I was on high doses of SSRIs at the time for social phobia*, so I had a VERY reduced sex drive (it's a side effect of the SSRIs). I had gotten my first temple recommend after a couple months of being active again, and confessing about this stuff from while I was inactive to the bishop and then not touching myself for a few months (SSRIs helped that). My worthiness for a mission also hinged on this. But I eventually slipped ONCE after like 4 or 5 months (I didn't even look at any porn), so I "had" to confess to the bishop, and I lost my temple recommend before ever using it (the closest temple was 8 hrs away). Later that summer went down to the temple with the young adults group, and when they went in to do their baptisms for the dead, I had to stay outside the temple in the gardens. So they all knew that I couldn't get a recommend because of something (I didn't tell them why--it felt "dirty" and demeaning telling the bishop). I wasn't going to go at all, but they convinced to still come anyway for the socializing while driving, and it was a nice trip, nobody was judging me for not having the recommend (you know... Other than God... 🙄). I'm a lot less uncomfortable about it now, but some of that discomfort still hangs with me to this day and a part of me still feels like I've done something wrong to this day, even though I've been an atheist for 20 years and I KNOW there's nothing wrong with it and it's healthy. Frustrating how that programming sticks with you underneath. * Social Phobia: Gee, always worried about being judged... Where oh where could THAT come from?? Thanks for making your videos!

I was born into a Lutheran church but grew up Open Brethren. I was baptized similarly as a Brethren, but I was also "sprinkled" as a baby; Brethren only baptize adults. The youngest I saw baptized was baptised the same day as me and I believe he was 12. My papa was the one who dunked me, and he was very proud of that. We were in black robes, much like choir robes, and wore bathing suits underneath. Shelise, if you can find some Open Brethren who escaped they'll be interesting to talk with. The theology isn't hard, the liturgy is basically nonexistent, but the control is very, very high. Especially for women. And, because each "Bible Chapel" is basically an island unto themselves, there's no oversight. You're at the mercy of the Council of Elders and your male relatives. I have so many stories.

I remember when I was in my young 20's, we had a very beloved Stake President. I thought he was an amazing person. His wife became ill and was sick for a very long time. He turned to another woman for comfort and ended up having an affair. Before they excommunicated this man, they church required him to go to every ward in that stake and apologize at the pulpit during sacrament meeting for his sin. He was then escorted out of the side door at the front of the chapel. I was shocked about what he had done, but even more appalled by how the church required him to perform this humiliating task before he was kicked out. This came to mind during the segment when you were discussing how the Church has never apologized for any of the atrocities it has committed.

I got a repressed memory from the video about the sacrament, I remember being 8, having just been baptized, and I stopped taking the sacrament, because I didn’t feel like I, an 8 year old, was worthy. 😢

Fantastic episode! I just found this channel and liked and subscribed because I've been confounded by Mormonism ever since I had a bff in elementary school and another bff in middle and high school who were very devout LDS. I had a chance to see it up close when I was 15-16 (and on my own years later) and went to my friend's church, attended dances and even accompanied her family on a family vacation to SLC. The very first red flag that struck me during the first visit to hear mass at the church was that when anyone came to the podium (mostly young teenagers) to speak they ended their "testimony" with "and I know the church is true". I thought omg that is so weird and looked around thinking "oh shit, this is definitely a cult". I remember going home and telling my mom what happened at church, and she told me next time to tell them that I already had a religion (we were catholic but not practicing at all lol) and I wasn't interested and literally like two hours later 2 missionaries showed up at our door. My mom told the missionaries that "we have a religion, and we like it. We aren't interested in test driving a new one". 😆

I think an interesting tactic the church employs is constantly telling its members, we are a peculiar people, we are and have been persecuted for our beliefs, and that's OKAY. It prepares you to fight off the people who speak the truth about the church and its teachings, because we were prepared to be persecuted. We are persecuted because we are SO correct and righteous, NOT because all the teachings are utter BS.

Sending this video to a friend whose Guatemalan daughter just joined the church.

❤❤❤ Thank you for being someone to speak up against the genocide of the Native American/ American Indian communities!!! Let's keep these communities in our hearts and minds and help them right the wrongs and injustices!! ❤❤❤

Alaska Native here, like to live in my love bubble, but am finally opening my eyes a little more thanks to chanels like this and your friends. My neighbors are Morman and belong to the temple in Utah. Their daughter got married there last year. I thought it was strange as she is 19 and had never known her to date. When she told me her daughter was getting married in the temple I just assumed she meant their home church. Now I know that means a whole lot more, and keep imagining those Adam & Eve clothes. Wow just wow. They are great neighbors and her husband has a very high up job at KANA ( Kodiak Area Native Association) our medical and community outreach program. I feel like marching over there and putting this podcast on & say explain this? Not out of anger but I truly wonder what he would have to say, being he is in his late 50's. I HAVE QUESTIONS 😮

I was LDS until about 7 years ago. I had never heard any of this! Thank you so much for bringing this to light. It's really validating my decision to leave.

I grew up in another faith but my parents lied about my fathers identity because he is Native. I was born before ICWA was put into place. I was stripped of my true identity all based off of religion. Before I found this out I became a member of the LDS church and have stepped away because their lack of not just accountability but the lack of atoning for what they did to Natives. I cant have faith in any organization that expects it’s members to repent, go through the full repentance process and atone for their sins.

You are brave beautiful woman and as an African black woman raised in London from the age of 6 I am completely proud of you to my soul. Protect yourself they will come for you, please be safe 🙏❤️🙏

What I heard when that man was talking about John from Mormon stories was "Its too bad John is using his platform to help others and not joining us in brainwashing more" Keep up the good work everyone 👏 ❤

I absolutely love this channel! I'm not LDS but in the 60's and 70's I grew up in Boise, Idaho. At that time, there were more LDS there, per capita, than in SLC, UT. I witnessed so much hypocrisy, inability to take accountability, abuse and favoritism! I knew that I would never want to be Mormon, no matter how many missionaries knocked on our door. I was part of the Assembly of God church for many years but that's it's own ridiculous kettle of fish. Now, I believe in God/Source and I pray/meditate but ascribe to no organized religion. What you present in your channel is fascinating, and I hope many, many more people are reached. Thank you so much!

Great job!! As a former stake missionary that was sealed to my wife in the Idaho Falls Temple that left with help from Ex Mormons forJesus, God be praised for the work you do.

Scientology does the same thing. Instead of lightening up the grip tighter to members and make it so that people want to leave even more

I love how you are both continuing to expose and call out the crazy. ❤❤ you both!

“I just feel like wearing tank tops and kissing girls” might be my new tagline

Break the silence. Break the cycle.

That's horrific and so heartbreaking! 😢 the blatant genocide and then literal human trafficking...how do people just pretend like that didn't happen? Well, and then blame the people who have every reason to be hurt and angry for having a founded and rational reaction...

Raised IBLP/ATI - my childhood Is eventually going to be a movie. It’s the stuff of nightmares… but I’ve overcome it.. 💕💕💪💪Thank you for the channel

"A Rocky Mountain Bible Fanfic Sex Cult" 🤣💀

19:54 the church is an abusive parent...no accountability EVER!!

Kimball was the prophet when I was in high school. I remember hearing him say those words. Cringe. 52 years old. Left when I was mid 20s with a lot of PTSD that I'm just now figuring out. Thanks for being here.

OMG! Shelise's face at Rob Meldrum's 'blessing' talk totally cracked me up. I'd seen the clip before and it's horrifying, really. Meldrum is sadly uneducated and ignorant and his faction of Mormonism is the blind leading the blind. Thanks, Shelise and Carah for shining big lights on these issues.

A rebuttal I gave to my brother, "Is your God so impotent that He cannot give correction to His anointed servants?"

I enjoy watching your content. It brings light to what people really go through in these kids of cults. My cousin who is a year older got into jehovah witness. She married an old man he literally looked older than my grandmother and that was back in 2016 at my grandpa's funeral

Kevin Hamilton was in my ward growing up. The longer it's been since I was forced to go to church in my teenage years the more clearly I can see through the silliness of the beliefs and teachings.

The Lamanite Placement Program is another disgraceful episode on our country’s history. It’s one of the reasons the Indian Child Welfare Act of 1978 was signed into law.

After I realized they have a practice of baptizing the dead without permission I stopped doubting any of the craziness. It's gross.

Thanks Carah for describing what you saw and discussing the hypocrisy of these "helpful Churches". Many times two from the same cult go go off talking their cult language, and forget everyone doesn't interpret. I didn't feel that at all here. You both were so careful to bring us along. Great episode ✌️❤️

Growing up LDS, we always believed my disabled sister was super amazing in the pre-existance. So she needed to get a body, but didn't need to be tested. So, basically, her disability was to try and test my family.

Great upload guys! Kinda weird how the LDS authorities tried to discredit guys like Ed Decker, when he was telling the truth all along. Most just didn't want to face the possibility of their faith being a farce.

So So So Good!! Love this episode. Former Bishop left 7 years ago, I had a spiritual awakening that led me out and only within the last few years have I come across all the information that was hidden thanks to channels like yours! I totally remember being taught about the color of skin as a curse. The Rod Meldrum confession about his friend and John Dehlin, unF*cking believable you can't make this up! I am literally blown away. Praying that God would take John WTF! John, Shelise, and Carah keep shining the light on the darkness! The Church puts itself before the people it serves and only takes power from others like a giant energy vampire. Let's get clear that it is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Any teaching that promotes guilt and shame or anything less than you as a powerful, magnificent worthy soul is evil. Just calling it as it is. I totally was shown that youth worthiness video before I went on my mission. The guilt and shame the church promotes is evil.

I had never seen that cartoon before (the one shown at around 11:50). I'll bet the Church leaders were hoping that nobody ever bothered to keep a copy. For anyone wondering, the cartoon is clearly telling the story set out in the second chapter of 3 Nephi in the Book of Mormon. According to that chapter, some good Lamanites joined forces with the Nephites to defend their righteous communities against the "Gadianton Robbers". What the little girl is saying in the cartoon is not a fanciful interpretation of ambiguous scriptural passages in the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon literally says that the Lamanites turned white as a result of joining with the Nephites and converting to the true faith. 3 Nephi 2: 14 And it came to pass that those Lamanites who had united with the Nephites were numbered among the Nephites; 15 And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites; 16 And their young men and their daughters became exceedingly fair, and they were numbered among the Nephites, and were called Nephites. The "Prophet" Spencer W. Kimball was the one most responsible for the "Indian Placement Program" and was also the guy who claimed that younger generations of the modern "Lamanites" (e.g. Navajo) who were growing up in the church were lighter than their parents. Most of this was going on in the 1960s, when Kimball was an Apostle (i.e. before he became the top prophet guy). Ministering to the "Lamanites" was like Kimball's pet project and gimmick for promoting himself. Guys like Hinckley seemed to be actual non-believers who nonetheless succeeded in making a good career in church leadership. That's probably why Hinckley in interviews with non-Mormons back-pedaled and obfuscated. He didn't really believe in the"weird uncle in the attic" doctrines, so he was fine with throwing them under the bus and telling people to "move on, nothing to see here." Spencer W. Kimball, on the other hand, seemed to be a true believer who apparently really thought that he was "helping" the descendants of the Book of Mormon Lamanites. Kimball never seemed to be particularly bright. Spencer was the grandson of the extremely enthusiastic polygamist, Heber C. Kimball. Spencer's nephew, Henry B. Eyring, is currently a member of the Church's highest ranking administrative body, the First Presidency. (Remember, the word "nepotism" literally has the same origin as the word "nephew".)

You girls are so excellent! You're like two great things that go great together 😃 I'm sure there are so many people who are helped by hearing this analysis, thank you

From 1999-2002 I lived in Utah. I knew Black, Hispanic and Indian Mormons who told me they rubbed limon juice on their skin to lighten their skin; they always acted like I was disrespectful when I laughed at them. I told them the church was disrespectful to them. There was an Argentinian Mormon who was pale white, whiter that me. He was a Bishop in a Spanish Ward in Utah County. He explained to me that he was blessed because he didn't rebel in his preexistence. His name is Leo Blanco.

"Don't worry about those little flicks of history"?!! How condescending. 😠

I left the Catholic Church hurt, broken and confused. I’m blessed I found a non-denominational church that encourages reading the Bible & it changed my life!! Once I read Gods letter to me, it was so different from I had heard growing up. I love my relationship w God. Love is important. I am no one to judge. I can disagree without judgement. I can love without judgment. 🥰🥰🥰

Happy First Anniversary Shelise! ❤ That was fascinating. You and Carah obviously have known each other a very long time or are very good friends as you two really click together very well. The common enemy - the Mormon Church explains your bond too. They are so self righteous with that stick up their ass that you’d just like to grab it and give it a push or a big turn sideways 😂😂 Hearing what the church did to Native American children was sickening and it reminded me of something dark in Australia’s past called the Stolen Generation. From approximately 1910-1970 Our Government, Churches and Welfare Departments decided and had passed a law to remove Indigenous and “half-caste” children from their parents to be placed with white parents in the name of assimilation. The government though they could breed out the blackness basically. Of course that didn’t happen, kids and parents were eventually reunited with big 😢😢🎉payouts but so much hurt, pain and damage had already been done to families and the kids and the loved ones they were stolen from. No amount of money ever could fix that pain. So exactly what the Mormon’s did to the Indigenous communities here in Oz, they’d know the same pain as the Native Americans that were stolen from their families in the USA. That is he hmmm my so very sad for all of them who never kBnew their parents 😞 😈 😢😢 Lastly, Shelise that was me on Instagram Rowdyjojo that’s tagged you in that little video about the little girl trying the listen Linda and it wasn’t even a Linda. wanted to let you know incase ❤. 😮 😮😢

Yal are both amazing and Love this channel. it's helped me deconstruct my Childhood and Life from my own prospective, so thanks for all you do through your channels.

This may be a dumb question but forgive me: I did not grow up religious to any degree. How do Mormans mental gymnastics around the fact that, if Jesus were a real person, he would have been darker skinned, being from the Middle East?

Fun fact, I heard about the residential schools in school. They told us to do a research on it and from there I found out the church took part in it. 💀 That was definitely a shelf item

Beautiful work getting the truth out there in a kind professional way 💛

OMG this video teaches so much i wish I knew before I joined the church. The bishop that ex-communicated me was excommunicated for the same reason 3 weeks later. I wasn't allowed back in the church when this happened but based on what I know if the bishop isn't in good standing he shouldn't be bishop any longer and shouldn't be holding bishops court

I just don't understand how so much history can be kept under wraps from so many people....currently in the middle of binge watching under the banner of heaven... i mean i guess it speaks to true cult mentality to believe what you are told without question

I was in the church 4 years and the missionaries to come to my doorstep. I'm being Stalked by them. How do I a stop them? I threatened to call the police, but they don't get the message! Does anyone have suggestions?

This is so, so good. Thank you. Two of my favorite podcasters 💜❤️

I grew up super Mormon in Utah in the 90’s and we were literally still being taught in primary on Sunday and at home that black people have the mark of cain, right around the time that interview occurred too.

This thing about the lineage seems extra crazy, considering this church is so big on geneaology.

Thank you for these reveals - I appreciate your courage and devotion to showing the Truth.

That Jeffrey R. Holland rhetoric started a lot of scrupulosity. Like the idea of "cleanliness" really makes every choice seem so overwhelming. Just makes bile rise in my throat, so disgusting and manipulative.

I think i get a lot out of hearing you 2, & your personal experiences in and outta the church (so, thank you). 🥰 Some of the videos you went over in this episode were stunning! 🤯

Holy cow! To think that my Mormon cousins grew up on Spencer W’s BS in the 60’s and 70’s and I LIKE my cousins 😢

Race related, I have a biracial son (& other biracial relatives). I grew up next door to Morman relatives. My son spent a good amt of time with them, even went to church with them a few times. The cousin told my son's friend, I like (son) him. Too bad he has that problem. She's asked, what problem. "You know, he's a N.....😢

To me it puts a different perspective on things (sarcastically), where a group of some stuck-up white men equal themselves to Christ. And like, I don't believe in Jesus Christ, but his teachings at least are about love. But you cannot follow his teachings without following the Church. Why though? And we won't tell you why, we will string many meaningless words together to say absolutely nothing, because there's no valid answer to why you cannot. Because if you follow His teachings, as in being a good person acting with compassion towards others, but don't follow the Church , you won't give the Church money and power over you, and they can't stand that.

How can anyone who believes in a single creator jump to the conclusion that anything made by said creator is not intentional and exactly as it should be? This is a world of diversity and regardless of you whether you subscribe to creation or another theory, how or why would you think everything and everyone needs to be the same? Rank insanity that has resulted in some horrific behaviour.

I remember hearing on the news that the southern Baptist church apologized for misuse of the Bible, and lies they told during slavery, this way in 90s.

I promise that no one who has been to Jackson County MO would classify it as the garden of Eden 😂

When the leaders say * leave the past in the past. " I know they have no character whatsoever. No moral footing.

Thanks for this collaboration! Great job. I get some comfort from knowing cults don’t last forever. Most of institutional religion is very cult like. Some more than others. They do lots of damage.

I had a hard enough time leaving evangelicalism. I'd never have gotten myself out. Thank you so much for your consistently amazing content! Appreciate your guest so much. Thank you Shelise and Carah!

I saw a post somewhere as a response to someone saying "I'll pray for you." It answered "Thank you. I'll dance naked around a fire for you."

Livid that they didn't teach me about the moon quakers

Morally clean problems; claim to be a relative of an Apostle or Profit and get the 2nd anointing, and then you can do anything wrong or sin, and you are exempt from it being a sin or wrong. :.

Leave the past in the past, ALL THE PROPHETS ESP. JOSEPH SMITH…let’s forget all about them. What about JESUS?

Oh my goodness!!! I can't believe I missed this AMAZING, first anniversary episode!!! You ladies "killed" it!!! Thank you both SO much for exposing the degrading and horrific lies - sadly, knowing these are just "scratching the surface." I can only imagine how relieved the former Mormons are when they encounter your channels and finally realize their own discerment was spot on! They must feel so grateful knowing they were right!!! I know I'm late on this but Congratulations, Shelise, on this, your fabulous one year anniversary episode!!! 🥰 🎉🎈🍾

I usually don’t love remote pods, but you do it so well! I’m currently binging all your vids 🫶🏼

I'm not a member, basically I'm atheist, but my wife is a member and grew up in the church. So, every night, we read some scriptures to the kids before bed. Recently, we were reading 2 or 3 Nephi, and I ran across that part where the Lamanites repented and came back to God, and thier skinturned white and thier hair lightened. I was so shocked reading that part, I didn't know what to do with what I was reading, it's so gross!

I love learning things from both of you amazing women! Thank you ❤

I was raised mormon and left in my late teens; after leaving, my mormon family stopped associating with me. I'm convinced that the popularity of the church is founded in the justification it provided for "manifest destiny" through its views on race. Natives "stopped living righteously" and thus forfeited their "claims to the land". As the song goes, "give this land if they live righteously". Absolutely revolting!

From Sunday school Jesus loves the little children. All the children of the world. Red and yellow, black and white; they are equal in His sight. Jesus loves all the children of the world.

I do hope you interview survivors of Catholic residential schools, or Magalined Orphanages in Ireland at some point.

as a native american, this is why i so strongly believe the mormon church cannot be redeemed and must be dismantled for the justice of all people it has affected

"In order for children to participate in the program, their parents had to request their placement." They also had to be baptised members. I was recently listening to a Navajo elder(not a member of the faith). He recounted two pieces of their oral history. First, of a time when the holy ones were going to change the languages of the people and one man was closen to ask the Holy ones if they could keep their language, which they were allowed. He also mentioned they in part know that language and related to the Holy ones. A second is the holy one and the twelve. Think about it. He later stated that he believed their God brought them where they were with a purpose, and so did the leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The program, in part, had members of the Navajo participate and was praised. It is also true that not all were happy but, in reality, a smaller percentage. Many individuals gained skills in the program, which is benefitting the Navajo people today.

I remember when I was a teen in the 1980s watching TV and there were commercials on television that the Mormon church put out talking about the importance of family life and good morals. The commercials made a profound impact on me because that was the future I knew I wanted. I remember talking to my mom about it and her explaining a little about the Mormon church to me. Mormonism must have had a large following in my area of Indiana because there were tons of Mormon boys who rode their bikes around as pairs and knocked on doors. Somehow I never went down the path of Mormonism but when my children were fairly young I did follow many of the teachings of the IBLP without becoming a direct member of their group. When I look back on my life I was ripe for the picking by a cult group. It was only by the grace of God I never became fully engaged with any one cult. At this point in my life I an skeptical of anyone and everything. I have managed to keep my faith and belief in salvation but even now I don't attend one specific church. It's been a wild ride but I am here fairly unscathed and am thankful for where I am in life at this point. 🙂

It is in the past for them because they are not black. They have not been on the receiving end of racism. I think to brush aside something so terrible and tell people to shut up is beyond cruel and rubbing salt in the wound. That cartoon is extremely offensive.

38:19 😳 I wish I could tell this man that I researched so many things online and realized none of it was true BEFORE I even knew who John Dehlin was.