The Dark Truth When You Reject Mormonism (Eve updates!) 

I think the reason these videos are so popular is because Eve is such a wonderful & genuine person who communicates effectively. Being so photogenic doesn’t hurt either.

When my grandfather died her sons flipped a coin to see who got stuck with grandmother. My father lost. So he brought her to Sedona and built her a Mother-in-Law house in the back yard with a ramp from her house to the main one with daily visits both ways. Later my father's wife died and grandma had to move in with Barney, the mormon son. The entire family tried to convert her and when she refused, they treated her like shit! Her son charged her $650 a month for a bedroom (in the 1980s) plus they charged her for food and laundry. I was in Phoenix and decided to take my kids to meet their grandmother only to find that the entire mormon family had taken off to some church function in another state, leaving her alone. When I arrived, I found she had NO cooked food, just cans she could not open, and her clothes and sheets were dirty (I am being kind as she was sleeping in the same diaper for 3 days. I assigned my kids to play with their great grandmother while my wife washed her clothes and sheets. I found the stove broken and only canned foods on hand with no can opener. I fixed the stove, had my wife make a weeks supply of heat-up meals I managed to open every can she needed, and we labeled each pyrex meal with a magic-marker so she could read the 'how long at what temp' and remained until she fell asleep. A few days later I called my uncle and reamed him out!!!!!! She was his mother and deserved better. His reply was that by rejecting baptism in the church, she had aligned herself with satan and deserved no love or consideration. THAT is the church I grew up with.

What I miss most having left the church is visiting teachers. Thanks for being my visiting teachers today. 💜

That resonates. I am embarrassed that I was part of a church that claimed to be the One True Church.

Found you on mormon stories. I was never Mormon but I grew up in a fundamentalist Evangelicals as a gay man. These stories are so inspirational. Makes you feel like you're not alone dealing with the trauma that you went through. ❤❤ Really glad I found your channel. Also watch the cults the consciousness episode. Y'all are such an inspiration❤

Eve's back! I will always remember her first video and how much it resonated with me at the beginning of my own faith transition.

Watching the OG Eve podcast was devastating and fabulous. It was like watching myself sagging with the various "truths" of the Mormonism I grew up with that led to me leaving the church, but I had never seen anyone truly listen and absorb and realize hard truths right before my eyes. Eve was very brave. And so was Carah. Brave enough to show us one of the scariest moments in a religious person's life. But it was also a birth, yet birth is no easy thing. Thank you.

I miss that community. Thats what took me longer to leave because I didn’t want to loose everybody. My family sucks and it felt like me and my daughter finally had family with the Mormon church. What helped me was a video that I saw that mentioned if you don’t leave, then your children will have to go through this whole leaving process because it is a lie and they are going to know. I would rather struggle with this than my daughter in the future. I’m glad that I left.

I want something about what the speaker is talking about. She says that there is this great love and friendship, fellowship in the ward family. She said she had this for thirty-three years. She mentioned that losing this genuine love is hard. I’ve been a member for 40 years and have NEVER had fellowship and love save for three friends. I am not white, and that is the reason. This church was built by white people for white people. I was forced into the fringes despite trying desperately for fit in and be accepted. Eventually I accepted my place, grew deeply miserable, then realized that the problem wasn’t me, it’s the church itself, from the top down. So for me, leaving was easy; I had nothing to walk away from. I still cherish my core faith tenets, and we worship at home our way, a way that is meaningful and uplifting. I wish I would have left decades ago, but I’m happy now.

Good to hear from Eve again

I was thinking about Eve earlier this week, glad to see her on the channel, let’s give her the most encouragement gang ❤

I watched a short John Delin video that said that the inactivity stats among returned missionaries was at 40%.

This morning, I was struggling with motivation and anxiety, and I was asking myself how I used to deal with those feelings. Well, I used to pray to HF for strength and peace every day. It's so hard to realize that all that love, support, and calm actually came from inside myself. Now, I have to learn how to access and believe myself. Not there yet.

One of the hardest things about leaving the church is about finding purpose. You're given a purpose for life by the church that you work towards your whole life. Having that taken away is difficult. You have to rediscover a purpose whether a different overarching purpose for the world and life. Or a personal chosen purpose for your life and what you want to do. Listening to NDEs personally helped me with reconstructing an overarching purpose. I also found a personal purpose after a long time and it's really empowering to discover what you want to do with your life but it can take a while to discover.

I was SDA and those were some of the best years of my life with my Church Family, until I started asking questions, then it just got weird😢

Thank you Eve for bringing us all along in your faith journey!

Eve's nuancehoe ep belongs in the Smithsonian museum. Congrats on making it through, you rock Eve!

Yaaay Eve!!! I love knowing you're doing well and on your journey!

Love hearing from Eve!! I would love to see that video of different people bearing testimony from different faiths.

I find these videos so interesting. I became an atheist when I was SEVEN YEARS OLD in Catholic school when I had a HUGE argument with four nuns and three priests! 🤣 They were in shock that a 7 year old could speak to them like an adult and not back down about their stupid beliefs! That was 2 nd grade and I continued to attend that school for 7 more years! 🤣 Hated every minute of it and I didn’t make it easy for them! 🤣 When I left my parents house at 18 I never went inside a church again! My BFF of 30 years is MORMON. She knows I think religion is insane.🤣

You two are badasses masquerading as sweethearts!!! Keep on keepin’ on. Praying for you both 🙏✝️🫶

We love Eve!

This was needed today thank you so much Eve n Kara

Thank you. You are doing a fantastic job with your quick humor and deep insight. Love it

Tequila is a terrible introduction to alcohol! Eve, if you read this, please try a cocktail - go easy though; despite their pleasant taste, cocktails are quite potent. If I may make some recommendations, my favourites include Mai Thai, Long Island Ice Tea, Caipirinha, Sex on the Beach, Mojito and Whiskey Sour.

Really lovely to see Eve. It has been beyond interesting to watching this process it has triggered so many thoughts about leaving Catholicism as a child in Ireland and a leaving a spiritual community after 7yrs of scrupulousity. Congrats Nuanceho

Yay! I was wondering about Eve the other day and here she is. Eve, you are literally glowing! I'm happy you made a decision that was hard, but the best for you. I love your idea of a flip chart, we all need affirmations in life. Take care and have a blast in Greece.

Classic timing of a toddler!

Hello from Norway. Greece is fantastic, so I am sure you will get a nice trip

Hi, Eve! You both look great. Nice seeing you again. I hope the Greece trip goes well. 🙂

Her mormon story was the very first one I watched. And it got me hooked.

I’d consider coming to Greece if I wasn’t pregnant. Please consider forming a group that gets together in person. This is SUCH a lonely journey.

Thank you for sharing even more of your journey, Eve!

Yay Eve! ILYSM 😘

All the best Carah and Eve.

Just great to see the update! I hope you get those additional people to join you!

Thanks!

"Parasocial relationships are all we have right now though!!" why did I feel this so deeply in my soul 🥲 I moved in 2022 to a new state and making friends is so hard, especially when you're kinda broke and don't always have 10-40 extra bucks to spend on gas and a coffee or a meal out, let alone up front costs to some kind of event... I'm still trying to get out there, but I do get too much of my "social need" fulfilled from listening to RU-vidrs and podcasters, ha ha.

good luck, ladies! hang in there, Eve. It's hard. but confronting reality, and fighting the urge to retreat to familiar but deceitful old ways, is in fact the honest path. enabling ill-founded notions to persist, only serves those that profit from the perpetuation of bs. and people suffer for that perpetuation. trudge on, knowing, you are helping to break generations of bad cycles, that serve bad things.

Much respect, Eve. Thank you for your courage. I feel even greater solidarity now. :)

Eve, you are an incredible human! I love how genuine you are and you’re truly a reflection of the gospel I believe in. 💛 I hope y’all have a blast in Greece!

Good luck getting your trip together! Sounds amazing.

❤ Great to hear an update! Eve looks great! And looks like she's in a good place and space. I hope you get way more than the two other attendees needed; sounds like I'll be an incredible trip!🎉

I can definitely relate to the familial and existential loneliness. Thank you Eve for sharing.

To the family who helped their abandoned and neglected gramma. I love what you did for her. I hope that you don’t think I am naive in believing that most people are like you in their caring and thinking and actions. I really have a strong need to know there are people like you who take such actions and don’t believe in the judgment and shaming of people who don’t belong to their church. Love one another. Right? Much, much love to you. No “worthiness” need be proven. You just are: good people. ❤️

Loved this❤ Could we have the link to the Testimony sharing vid that was mentioned?

I don't see all your videos, but the original one with Eve and John was so intriguing. I'm glad to get an update.

Eve will always be a beloved fan favourite ♥🏳‍🌈🦄 Sending virtual hugs and thank you for coming back on!

I want to go on the trip SO bad!

So good to see Eve this will be a good video

As a non believer I always thought about the freedom I have but seeing eve looking sad about loosing the community is heartbreaking and understandable. I hope she can find a community that fills that loneliness… maybe a shared interest of a hobby like art or dancing or reading or movies or travelling could help her find a community of similar minds and friendships that won’t leave her like her Mormon community did. In the meantime I hope you guys make it to Greece. There’s a big beautiful world out there and I think seeing it will help bring joy and wonderment and fill that missing piece ❤

Eve, welcome to the world outside the matrix. Wish you the best!

I love Eve! Watched her journey. My brother became Mormon and I know his four kids suffer depression. One had to end his mission earlier due to that. My other niece didn't want to go to mission. She changed. They drink energy drink that have caffeine when they visit me lol😂and feel happy.

Since most of the beaches in Greece are topless, I thought the bathing suit question was going in a different direction...

I’m late to the conversation but you both are so brave. Thank you for speaking the truth.

22:51 Oh my gosh I felt the exact same way!!

Thanks for being so brave Eve. I sincerely appreciate you

In the decades after leaving the Catholic Church, I’ve formed many friendships with people of so many different backgrounds. I have also maintained cordial relationships with practicing Catholics. (Catholicism is weird in its own way, but in the USA at least, it isn’t nearly as demanding as Mormonism). But there is nothing quite so special as my friendships and discussions with my fellow ex-Catholics. We just “get” each other. Especially if they went to Catholic school. And this special understanding is something I sense in your discussions with Eve, John and Alyssa. Good luck to all of you.

If there’s any way you can afford a trip y’all definitely do what you can to make it out! I can’t go because I have a toddler but the extra expenses for a group trip make it so much more memorable and stress free. Solo trips with a group tour are 100% the best way to travel.

Remember, Carah, while you’re in MA, go to Northampton and visit Smith College, to look into the Ada Comstock Program. You would be perfect for that program.

It’s true! Eve is the epitome of a loving, compassionate, intelligent person. Regardless of her religious beliefs, I think she’s great.

@nuancehoe can we have that video of all the people professing their testimonies?

I really hope you get those spaces filled. I would love to xome but cant go abroad without my kids. Their needs are too high for me to be so far away. It's going to be incredible

Please make your trips a regular thing and I will save up. I would love to hang with you awesome women.

Indeed. I feel I am obligated to go back to Germany on a "forgive me please" mission. Though practically everyone I talked to was already wise enough to not take me seriously.

It makes my heart happy to see Eve's journey to freedom.

Sorry Carah, I also forgot Eve’s debut was not on MSP but I remember that now and won’t forget it! P.S. That was a significantly important episode for a ton of folks and I love that it has helped so many people. Party on.

Eve comes across kind and genuine and super likable!

Former Mormon -- I've found a classicist and philologist who uses his expertise of pharmacology of that time period I think EVERY former Mormon needs to watch. TRUST ME: Lady Babylon ... literally everything will begin to make sense... and it's ALL SCIENCE...just here to spread awareness... would make an excellent series, Nuance

This reminded me of the sister missionaries who taught me the discussions when I was 9 years old... I was a child of record, and was even baptized at the age of 8, but my records were lost so I was rebaptized as a convert. It makes me sad now, knowing that I was indoctrinated and brainwashed at such a young age. I was never allowed to serve a mission for the church, even though I wanted to, so I ended up spending about 15 years of my life writing hundreds of letters to well over 200 missionaries (men and women) serving all over the world. I know for a fact that more than a few of them were shared with mission companions - one companion from Argentina (who served in Uruguay) even started writing me regularly and later proposed to me. I didn't end up converting anyone with my letters, but I tried to offer support and comfort to those serving (well, maybe not those first few years as I was a deeply traumatized and confused teenager :)). I've thought about continuing to write missionaries, but I'm not sure how well that would go over now that I no longer believe in the Church or in God...

Give us more Eve!!!😅

Eve has fuuuuuully glowed up 🎉

I used to be apathetic toward the church when I stoped going years ago. After listening to your channel I NOW HATE THE EVERY MORMON.

Gotta plug Brittney Hartley’s, “No-nonsense Spirituality,” as someone who speaks the same Mormon faith language through reconstruction. It’s so good.

About 24:20 for those who don't know, the video is called Spiritual Witness by a channel Lehoria 1. (Can't post a link here.)

Welcome to the other side!!!

What video??? Can someone please tell me where to look? I missed it.

For anyone who is still a member, if your gospel experience stops at "beliefs" seek the Lord until you KNOW. "[Our] first and foremost duty [is] to seek the Lord until we open the path of communication from God to our own soul.” Brigham Young

Things might be different now, but I went to Greece a long time ago, and the people were very friendly. The food was delicious. Have fun!

I’ve never consider the LDS was a cult, but as I sit here thinking I have Mormon friend that we have other things in common and friends that don’t share the same political views either so I started wondering why can’t you be friends with friends in different churches or in your old church? And there it was there are restrictions within the church that require you Mormon friends to put effort into you rejoining! The strongest driver in most converts is indeed crisis, not all but enough to make fanatics.

If i had the money to go to Greece with you ladies i would! I'm a never mo but i actually covered the back rent for my niece's father so she would have a roof over her head(i would take her in any time but obviously don't want to uproot her life) and he is not paying me back very quickly so I'm out about 6 or 7k right now. I'm so bummed. I really want to go! I just can't.

Masterful performance....the entire crew far and wide.

22:00 taking my name out of the church was cathartic. However, there were stories (at the time anyway) of records people from the church telling family when someone had their names removed. Be safe :)

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I'm trying to figure out the removing of my records without letting my whole family know! I'm the only one who is fully exmo but they still think talking to me will bring me back. Yeah, no. I want zero connection and no more missionaries at my door, ever. They literally follow you between address changes

My gaaaawwwdd, would love to go to Greece and get wee tipsy with you two, fellow exmogurrrrls...😆😆

I would love toto go but my hubby and I can't afford anything extra. But maybe next time. I think it would be a lot of fun

So the forbidden fruit was apple? Is that why Steve Jobs put a bite out his apple icon?

It's incredibly sad that mormonism ruins God for some people I left, and now i'm a born-again christian. I feel closer to God than I ever have! If anybody reads this comment and you want to get closer to God, start with reading his word the bible in a translation you can understand. ❤

Ostracism was a big thing, even while we were in the church. I was a well educated and well spoken single mother of two beautiful little boys. There weee people in our ward who preferred to have their kids play with kids from fundamentalist baptist home schooler families instead of with my boys who needed friends in the church and we were always held at arm’s length. I was so insulted and if anything, am even more insulted now. I joined originally with my first husband because I thought it would save my marriage. It didn’t. I stuck around for awhile but ultimately left after we could no longer stomach how we were being treated. I tried again later on and actually married again, this time in the Boston Temple. But we both left when Salt Lake came out with all the anti-gay nonsense and supported Proposition 8. I left in a cloud of dust, never to darken their doors again.

I want to GOOOO!

The person most likely to get poisoned by a Mormon i feel like I'd be on that list 😂

If you want a shocking story read about the “Mountain Meadows Massacre” on September 11, 1857.

Eve what mission where you in Los Angeles ?

I kept god, just ditched the church. Now i get a loving god and 10% raise.

I've had the missionary who converted me try to contact me a number of times since I left, but I haven't responded because I feel like he deceived me during my conversion. It doesn't help that we didn't really speak outside of his mission, and the fact that our lives have gone in dramatically different directions since then. He comes from a wealthy family and went to BYU to fulfill his dream of being a successful businessman; I come from below the poverty line and have given up multiple job opportunities to uphold my former obligations to the church, and have since developed a resentment for both the church, and businessmen. But after hearing this woman speak about her desire to go on a "Second Mission" to deconvert the people she preached to, I wonder if he is trying to do the same.

In person conversations are not backwards. It is the most powerful tool in persuasion. It's used in religion, but also in politics and in sales. Don't underestimate it.

Cara and Eve: you both need to get together with your husbands and write a will about the people that you want to have guardianship of your children if something happens to you because unless you do that they will automatically go to your relatives who are mostly Mormon .

Many have turned their backs on "the dark side" to get baptized.

It is hard for man to understand a god that makes universes and worlds , and infinite avatars to explore them , we are but dust compared to him , he can do things any way he wants weather we like it or not ,or it seams believable or not, I have chickens and I care for them every day, but they still can’t prove I exist