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Ryan, Love your videos and you seem like a very decent, articulate, and intelligent person as well. Here's a suggestion for a future video, I love to hear your thoughts on distinguishing between different types of aggressive horse personalities and the causes of aggression (i.e. brain injury, fear, when does a horse become too dangerous.). Best wishes, Sarah in Toronto.
I know a lot about horses, but I learned something new today. Always be willing to learn. I know a lot of people that think they are horses people, and make the same dumb mistakes over and over, because they won't drop their pride and be willing to learn. Thanks so much!! Great lesson.
So true Jed. Love what Ryan said in another video I have seen... check your ego at the door. I think so often as horse owners we get so caught up in getting a horse to do something, we take it personally when they do not. Instead of just taking a calm step back and determining OK.. what's really going on here?
Well I'll be damn. I am actually very impressed. I trained for 35 years. This is the first time I watched a trainer from start to finish and not yelled at the screen. Brings to mind a story from my younger days. Many years ago, a client paid for us to attend a clinic. People brought their problem child to get help. The first problem childs owner was having issues trying to lead this gelding because the animal was doing laps around him. The instructor took the horses lead rope and started hitting the geldings head with a stick. Talking about personal space and bubbles all the while saying "as soon as he gets out of my bubble, he'll find relief " as she proceeds to hit this animal on the head running after him. I actually got up and walked outside because I could not watch. Let alone keep my mouth shut. When I returned, I had hoped the next person's horse would be in the pen, but no. We are still being told how the gelding could find relief. I stepped to the fence and asked a simple question. Loud enough for the owner and front row to hear. I guess the instructor did not. "How is the horse going to find relief in a small pen and you chasing after him?" I then went back to my assigned seat and waited. It took another round of hearing the same statement before someone spoke up with the correct question. We watched 2 more unfortunately, then they broke for lunch. I chose to skip the afternoon show. I went back the next day and the instructor was late. I was getting dizzy watching this owner spin like a top. So I spoke up asked if he could use a hand. I took his stick and animal and got control of the horse as well as explained the whole respect thing. The alpha horse is the leader. I put the person in the correct spot to properly lead and control the horse as well as how to hold the rope and other basic things that horse people just naturally do. Not paying attention to the crowd just in my bubble. Handed the gelding back to the owner who now has control and some understanding of how and why. As well as a much calmer gelding. Stepped out of my bubble to find the instructor standing there watching. I was asked to leave by the instructor. I of course, understood why and respected the request. I have to say thank you. Good old fashion horse since is not common anymore. I have always said that every horse that crossed my path teaches me something. I would like to tip my hat Sir you have added to my thimble of knowledge. Please forgive the story of yesterday from a lonely old widow woman.
Well said. The same problems what I have seen from ignorant dog owners and I took all the dog training classes from basic up through CGC for 3 dogs I owned. Learning from a skilled person starts with staying quiet and learning to do as they show you.
My pet peave people that think longing means constantly snapping the whip, Who teaches these skills? I was at a mixed discipline barn where ( not to sound one sided, just what I saw at this barn so don't take it personally ) was that all the western style horse owners longed with the whip constantly snapping at the horse. One day, I was so tired of listening to that, I asked, has your horse not been trained to lunge at a speed until you verbally ask for a different speed? They had no idea what I was asking. I trained my horse on verbal commands, he holds a gait until I ask for something else. If I hold a stick, its only visual, as in I might raise the stick if I want to reinforce a faster speed. NEVER have to snap a whip.
@@cjjohnson5311 western horses have been traditionally trained on minimal voice commands, as if you're showing any type is cue is supposed to be invisible. Even a cluck or kiss sound was penalized for awhile. Its changing now, but there are still plenty of old-school trainers and showman out there.
Why not point out everything that the handler did wrong.. Starting with using to short of a line on to do ground work.... not allowing the horse to commit to the mistake (it's obvious he thought she wanted him to change direction when not yeild his hindquarters.)..Then she yanked on his face and pulled him in on her as she smacked his ass... She continued to yank and pull until he reared up to avoid running into her..
“Commit the mistake”?!?? The horse didn’t commit a mistake, he charged her!! that’s how he scares her, and gets out of work!! The mistake is, she shouldn’t even be out there w/ that horse unless she learns how to handle that issue herself!! She can send it to me, and it’ll come back w/ a new attitude, until it reverts back to its old ways, which is inevitable!!
EXACTLY!!! It is NEVER the horses fault - what did the human do wrong in attempting to communicate. "get out of work" ffs they don't think like that - we bring them into our world and ask them to do things for us, so its 100% on us to get the communication right. They'd be happier with their buddies eating grass.
@@tommytom4834 I wouldn’t let you touch my animals with a 10 foot pole. Horses aren’t spiteful. He is not trying to get out of work. The girl in the video clearly does not know how to lunge line properly. She is obviously fearful of her own horse and is hurting him in the process. This is in no way the horses fault.
Personally this video made me mad, he didn’t attack her till she whipped him. I don’t think its the horses fault at all. He didn’t like getting hit and nor would I. Looked abusive to me.
I have a dominant horse. He's dominant with all other horses and pushy with people. He isn't afraid at all, in fact he's overly friendly. When I got him at 5 years old, the very first things we worked on was respecting our personal space. We had to be firm while also giving him love and attention when he was being good. For about 3 months we carried a stick into his paddock when feeding to keep him out of our space. I had to really coach my teenage daughter into being more firm with him when leading, getting in and out of the paddock etc, because he needed more energy directed his way than any of the other horses we had previously owned. He is now very good. However, if he was sold on to a less confident or inexperienced owner, he would revert to his pushy ways pretty quick. Or if he was punished inconsistently, he is the type who would fight back, not retreat. He could have become dangerous. But really he is very curious, wants to engage and loves affection, just born with a dominant personality
I am in the same situation. A very dominant gelding. I'd love to find him a home where he could be ridden more than I can. (I have physical problems). But I pulled him from a kill pen situation. And I'd be afraid of him ending back up there if the wrong person tried to mess with him.
That sounds a lot like my mom's horse. I had him trained so you can ride him, but one day he got spooked and I got drug. I would have gotten back on him if it wasn't for my injuries. So I couldn't work with him until I was healed. I guess that built his dominance up cause now he is more pushy and violent. But hopefully it will get better 😊
@@giraffe6801 I think you have a couple choices. Try to re-start your horse. Slowly, a little every day. Never allow him to be pushy or violent. Hence why I said go slowly. Hire a trainer. Or sell him to an experienced horse person that will work him at your place, so you can make sure they know what they’re doing. If you try to restart, and all you get is over the top, pushy, violence. Seriously consider selling him and get a well broke, people loving horse. Having a horse you constantly have to be on guard around, isn’t worth it to me. Best wishes.
The lady with her horse, she lacked timing and when she thought the horse was starting to get pushy she over reacted which made the horse more anxious/fearful. I never saw anything that looked like the horse was going to attack her he was reacting out of confusion. If she had been paying attention and re-directing him before he had a chance to react this never would have happened. You have stay one step ahead of your horse. Your training has an element of calmness and not meanness. I see way to many people who think they need to jerk a horse or hit a horse so hard so hard it goes down. In reality, most communication can be done in a calm and steady manner.
@@callyg54 exactly to all the above, she provoked the horse, never gave the horse time to settle in to a comply to a task, like to see what she did before they got in the ring
I understand the critique of the owner”s lunging skills BUT I applaud her efforts and bravery in seeking instruction from Ryan. I’ve learned so much from him and wish her and her horse the best learning journey. Know better…do better. Thanks Ryan!
If you do nothing you don’t make any mistankes... so go out and do something and learn from you’r mistakes! We are learning our whole life - and 👍 for sharing
she pulled him in and then started whipping. he was checking in with her and to urge him forward, she should have walked towards him and raised the whip and clucked to say "no keep going forward" in a really gentle way at first. she didn't move forward to re-direct, instead she just pulled him up (which says stop) and then started whipping. frankly the horse was scared and confused...she pulled him in to her bubble. actually you could see he was hesitating and wanting to stop (before the rearing) and you can give a gentle urging right then and there. You can make mistakes- just regroup and start again- but don't punish your horse when you do. She put herself in that position with unnecessary aggression.
I''m sorry, but, this should be retitled "Owner Charges Horse". I realize that we're only seeing about 20 seconds of video here and perhaps she is anticipating a repeat performance. Yes, it is hard to maintain a calm and confident demeanor after a horse has tried to walk over you or rear in front of you but I get the sense she may have, if not caused it, triggered something that this horse is reacting to. Too much pressure and confusion. While some horses will tolerate mixed signals and let you push them around, some get resentful and will defend themselves because past experience has taught them that more or worse is coming. It's a vicious circle with both parties feeling like they have to defend themselves. Don't get me wrong - it is unacceptable to have a horse respond this way but they learn from us (if not her, a previous owner/trainer). She's sauntering circles with too short a lunge line (free lunge might have worked better for her) and inconsistent with the whip and her body language. She smacks the ground with the whip for no apparent reason while he's loping - he didn't appear to be slowing down. He did not charge. Once, at :29, he dropped back to a trot and tilted his head to check in with her like he was anticipating a turn but he didn't turn or charge. Another circle at the same spot where he broke stride, he is paying attention to her and tilts his head likes he's anticipating a turn, again (asking for a turn in the same place too often?). He only turns into her because her upper body leans slightly back, reducing the little bit of slack in the too short line and then pulls his head SIMULTANEOUSLY raising the whip from behind her springing forward smacking the ground hard behind him. That whip was in motion at the same time she jerked his head. She asked (correction - DEMANDED) forward propulsion while turning him into the circle and towards her! But, even then he didn't charge or even crowd her, almost came to a complete stop (if she had just stopped there and regrouped) - just looking at her - probably as confused as I was about what she wanted him to do. He did not charge until she smacked the whip on the ground - again, aggressively. Pressure, pressure, pressure! Perhaps, this is where he has charged before and she jumped the gun but it was too aggressive. The first two smacks of the whip were on the ground but the third one (although you can't see her clearly on the other side of the horse) made him jump like she connected with him and it was unnecessary. He was no longer threatening her at that point but she kept the pressure on. If she has been working him with this attitude, I can't say I blame him. He didn't strike her, run over her or kick out at her but he is telling her to back off with the same attitude and energy level she was using on him. Also, I don't condone hitting, but if you felt you have no choice and have to defend yourself (after setting this whole incident in motion) a smack across the chest or front legs would probably back him down. Don't wait until he turns away and then smack him on the rump. And, while many people will say this isn't abuse, it's how it starts. A big, strong, proud horse being blamed for his confusion and defending himself. Each occurrence ramps up the misbehavior. I'm not saying she caused this but she needs an attitude adjustment and fortunately for the horse she reached out to Ryan. Hopefully, with professional help, this horse won't get passed on to someone else, over and over, until he ends up on a slaughter truck. I would encourage her to be honest about her own skill level and mindset and have someone else work the horse. A resentful horse can be tricky. A few years ago, I rescued a stunning 11-year old paint gelding from slaughter that had a resentful mindset. For good reason. He had not only been mistreated (won't go into how I know this - sorry, this is already too long) but dumped in a sale yard, cut up from nails in the fences, bit by other horses and so underweight you could see all his bones. You can bring them around - he is wonderful now - but it took time for him to believe that I wasn't going to yank him around, jerk on his head and scare him like someone had doing God knows what. You have to set your ego and emotions aside and be very aware if you have the skills and the right energy and how you're using it. I am a 5'3" woman and was 65 when I rescued him. I can get my message across with body language, intention and energy, directing them in a way they understand and without aggression. Don't take it personal! And, you have to be smart about it. Don't set them up to do things that you know will get a reaction. Find things to do that they can do well and calmly and work from there. The other stuff may just disappear on their own when they realize they can trust you. It is encouraging that she reached out to Ryan because she needs help, or someone more qualified, to reestablish some TWO-way respect and clear communication to regain this horse's trust before he suffers the consequences or she gets hurt or both. Stay safe but give them the benefit of the doubt while reminding yourself that they are what they have been taught and we train them whether we realize it or not - every second of our interaction with them. Be clear, be kind, be consistent and never, ever take your frustrations out on them. Call it a day and get help before it gets to that. It can be a very special friendship with our horses when there is mutual trust. Don't miss out on that. Sorry this is so long but I am passionate about this and it is something newcomers to the horse world need to consider. Thank you for reading if you stuck with it!
💯 agree !! The lunge line was way to short ! It was literally like she was chasing him around the round yard …. He understood she wanted him to lunge but being chased with the whip in hand just got to him !!
I have been around and worked with many horses. (There was only one I might have worried about. He had a reputation. But I still worked with him) I don't know this horse and this woman. So please forgive me...I thought the woman was aggressive. I hope they don't give up on each other. ♥️ Work work work.♥️🐎
Not gonna lie, that’s what I saw too. I went back and slowed it down to .25 speed and you can see that when she uses the whip at his haunches the first time, he responds by turning in and giving two eyes. His ears are forward and he’s fine. But then she adds more pressure and that’s when he gets pissy like he’s saying hey, I did what you asked, why did I get a correction? Some horses just don’t tolerate bossy people. If you use your pressure and release incorrectly and they get a correction they don’t understand, they get cranky. As you said, still not an acceptable way of communicating his frustration and still so important for all horses to learn to both respect the space of humans and be aware of their own bodies when moving around, but I definitely saw human error here that prefaced any “naughty” behavior by the horse.
I'm certainly no horse training expert, but I did see what you saw. He seemed to not know what she wanted and felt she was being angry and unfair, making him not trust her.
The toughest horse I ever had to rehabilitate was badly abused by people, and also knew she was stronger than people. By the time I rebuilt her faith and trust, she was the best friend I could have ever had
Loved it when he moved out of your way with just a look. You illustrated your point perfectly and you probably will have saved lots of horses from the kill-pen with this advice. Thank you! 🐎❤🐎
You just proved the issue with the horse world. It is so normalized to kill horses because they don't do what you want. Or didn't respect you how you thought they should. I swear 90% easily of horse owners shouldn't own any animal.
@@1jazzyphae It's not just horses. Dogs too. Somebody takes a dog of a breed that was created to be comfortable with attacking people and then kills it the second it bites because they didn't want to hear the word "dominance" and expected it to think like a human. While these same people are totally ok with showing dominance to people lmao this is killing me
All of that Ryan!!!! Love you and that you actually show horses in real time with real problems. I work at a horse rescue and we have all the personalities. Thanks for all you do!💚
I appreciate that this person is willing to share her situation. Thank you Ryan for helping everyone with this video. Shame on the know it all's for being so harsh, when she is obviously reaching out for assistance, I'm sure none of you have never had a problem with a horse.
This woman obviously caused the behaviour from the horse whether because of her inexperience, or just being plain in a bad mood. She was doing everything wrong. The bigger point for me is that the guy making this video did not comment on that though so many people have said the same thing in these comments. I hope when he replied to her privately he pointed out to her that this was actually not a horse being aggressive for no reason in fact I see a scared horse reacting to her actions.
She clearly made several mistakes...BUT HUGE APPLAUSE for realizing she had an issue she needed help with. VERY SMART lady who clearly is working hard to improve her horsemanship!!!!
Ryan Rose is thee best knowledgeable with the horses. Also he's a handsome cowboy and gentle with the 🐎 horses. Give 👍 thumbs up Excellent workmanship!
@@ryanrosehorsemanship how did you not see that the handler was in the wrong? The horse was moving fine until she pulled him into herself because he was looking for direction and hit him. Also the lunge line was too short and she was on his ass with the whip too much in the first place. IMO
I didn't see any aggression. I saw a horse that was responding to the whip lashing at the hind quarters and moving forward - unfortunately in the direction of the handler. In my view, she was getting what she asked the horse for.
Great video! Creating boundaries creates bonding. He clearly understands that you are not there to hurt him but to help him be a better and more respectful gentleman. Thank you for this info.
I work with race horses, I find the problem with horses ,more than not is the handlers.Correcting pushy seems to have been a main event- patient ,consistent interaction as you have shown brings respect and safety + in the end result a loyal horse,in my opinion.Thank you, again for your giving back to horsemanship.
I love people who treat the animal like an animal, no babying, they understand how to make the animal understand, yet they are fair in the way they do it. Keep up the good work!
They're not pets; they're way too big & quick for that. However, they are surprisingly good trainers (of us) and you have to keep an eye out for the way they might be manipulating you. 😄
Disappointed that Ryan didn't point out that the owner of the palamino had no connection on the line in the first place plus she stopped moving first. The horse followed her lead of stopping and then she whipped the horse. In my view, the horse justifiably defended itself and its a nice horse so she got let off with a warning.
Thanks Ryan - your videos are always great to watch and really interesting. Also thanks to the woman who sent in the video - hard to subject yourself to the judgment in the comments but really, really useful for anyone watching getting to learn from errors.
I love how you talk horse language! I hope more people will understand this and how a horse is just a horse, it's all he knows... I'm still learning and always will be.
She pulled that horse into her and then attacked it, confusing him. Her line is way too short too. That horse was trying his best to do what she wanted and she went after him with the whip. It’s no wonder he went after her.
Ya, not even that far into the video and I'm already looking for comments like yours who point out that it was the ladies fault and not the horses fault. Don't protect bad behavior. Just correct it. Plus that lady didn't have a lunge line either, cuz the rope was too short.
@@echotrash466 The only one with a bad behavior here was her. She was unnecessary aggressive to that horse. I would like her to check up her mental status. Not normal. It’s a living beings right to defends it self when attacked. If the horse had gone after her first I would have understand.
I agree. I do not know much about horses, a little bit though. It I can read some human body language and that lady’s demeanor seemed contentious from the get go, the horse seemed afraid. What I saw was that he just slowed down from the speed that she wanted him to go, then she started hitting him! I would not want her as a mistress if I were a horse! She just seemed mean to me. My opinion only. Maybe she was having a bad day. The horse seemed as if he was just trying to please and possible read her thinking she wanted him to slow down then got whopped and jerked around.
@@lilac890 to me it looked like she was already afraid of the horse and anticipating something. In all honesty, I saw the horse ask her questions a few times which she ignored. And then yes, she appeared to whip that horse right into her. Might have been more useful to direct her energy at the horse's neck and shoulder back out onto the circle, rather than drive him forward into her. She might need more hands on help with this horse?
I love this. My mentor has taught this many times only he goes to get his coffee vs a hay bail ;) it's nice to see someone else explain the same concept in a little different way.
What i saw is that the woman whipped the horse with her whip before he "chased the owner". A horse will never attack out of nowhere. A horse always has a reason to do something. Maybe out of fear. Or dominance. But this horse didn't seem dominant at all. It was an act out of fear. The horse wanted the owner to stop beating him/her
Thank you for pointing out that if you care about your horses teach them good respectful ground manners. I've worked with "problem" horses for years, privately and in rescue, and bad ground manners are one of the top reasons horses end up in bad places.
PERFECT video for me right now!!! Been doing liberty with a very bold POA for about 2 weeks or so now and we are slowly working through respecting my bubble bc he keeps cutting the round pen in half (lol) to get out of running a lot and he's a little buddy sour and wants to do it and get it done with to get back to his gf. Being calm around him makes him calmer too but I haven't quite been able to figure out how to calmly get him out of my bubble, and allow me to have my safe space, bc he cow kicks and bucks when get him started out in trot and especially canter, and I'm trying to train him out of that. It's hard. This is the perfect exercise for us to start establishing my space and I'm so grateful for your channel.
I don't have a horse, so my opinion matters very little here. That said, it seems very scary to me to have a horse at liberty who is bucking and kicking. I guess the number one thing I wonder is whether that's really the right horse to work with at liberty. Anyway, just thinking out loud really... I hope Ryan's technique works for you and that you do not get hurt!
Thank you! This has been tricky to get the right amount of firm boundaries without over-doing the pressure. It's so hard to find good videos on pushy horses. My horse is very much like the one you work with and there's a couple new things in this video I can now try out!
Thank you for this; its a lesson that's served me well to date but the reminder to check in periodically really helped as I recognise I've allowed some bad habits to creep back in, particularly when moving around my horses in the field. Love these little tidbit videos.
The lady in the video made predator moves that looked like she was going to attack. If I were the horse, I would've done the same thing! Definitely aggressive looking movements. I hope she was helped and can develop a bond of trust rather than trust with her beautiful horse! Good video.
Around the 9:14 mark, I liked seeing, as you pointed out, he was not afraid of the stick. I think the difference in your video and your patreon member's is I didn't feel aggression as you moved your whip/stick, you were simply moving it with a focus on a spot and the horse knew that spot was claimed and chose to move away. The other video felt more aggressive and that the whip was focused at the horse and is why I think the horse felt he needed to protect himself.
Great video and something that most people don't think about. I often hear people say they don't like mares because they are pushy or bossy, but the truth is that we dismiss this behavior early on and allow it to happen. We wait until there is a major problem before we correct it. This is a great exercise of any horse at any stage of training.... To often gets missed or overlooked.
No response needed. It was clear she caused the problem. The horse was simply reacting to her actions. Somebody please take that whip away from her until she learns to use it. BTW, why was she using a lead in what appears to be a roundpen?
Thank you that was insightful and really helpful for humans with confident dominant horses, which can quickly escalate to danger… resulting in injuries and the unthinkable choice that some may make to have the horse destroyed because the leadership, wasn’t there or understood, have known this so grateful for teachers such as you Ryan Rose, I found this method of training me in 2007 James Roberts helped me and my red horse, I’ll never forget him and those horsemen and women like James making the world a better place for everyone ❤️🙏🐴 thank you for your generosity ☺️ Sharing your vast knowledge and wisdom 😊
Thats so key "if you value your horse you'll teach them to be safe to be around" don't fail your horse by letting them become "difficult". Every word you spoke is essential information! This should be the first thing childern learn to help them understand how equines communicate and be more confident around horses.
The woman was way too agressive. Even while just lunging him, she wasn't respecting him when he was circling correctly. She loves her whip too much. She basically taught him to be defensive.
She deserved everything that came her way! Maybe the horse just got tired of being forced to run in circles and to get hit. Good horse! Respect the horse first!
Thanks for the video ryan, i just stumbled upon this video and can probably use your advice for me and my horse which is a little bit pushy, he's a 3 year old gelding. One thing i want to ask. Is it safe to walk in front of your horse? What if they suddenly charges or bolting through us? Thank you in advance for the advice, it's very helpful for a new rider/horseman like me
And, that lady needs to learn how to lunge a horse so it’s a nice experience! Her body language is tense and ready for a fight. We had to learn how to approach and train abused horses off the track without whips. And, we trained them to jump!
True of children too. If parents are too soft and don't establish boundaries the kids end up getting in trouble or being anti-social and ut ruins their prospects of a happy life.
I am a intermediate in horsemanship, but a literal expert in human communication. We know from extensive research that horses correctly identify human facial expressions. It follows that body language is probably within horses’ grasp, too. What I see is a human displaying contempt and frustration toward a horse, and then acting on those states. Imagine how a human would react if she approached in the same way - it would result in conflict, especially if she hit them. How else was the horse supposed to process what she was communicating? My equestrian mentors’ whips have never touched a horse, and I was taught that they are solely a visual signaling tool. I can’t think of a single reason to ever use them any other way. The horses I’ve done groundwork with see the whip and know it’s time to work, play, and connect. Good on Ryan for reframing this as a teachable moment. I think a conversation about checking our state before we enter a horse’s field of awareness, and how our state shapes those interactions would compliment this. Some days, perhaps we shouldn’t be in the ring, especially if we are telegraphing fear, intimidation, or impatience. I try to always ask, “How does the horse feel about this?”
I need this applied to a horse who is already afraid of their surroundings. lol. My mare gets VERY anxious (obviously she needs more confidence) but then gets VERY in my space and kind of on top of me. But when she is relaxed in her paddock where she knows she is safe, she is respectful of my space! She also gets bored quickly so doing this a ton in her field might not have the result I'm looking for... which is safety when she's nervous.
The way she moved when he slowed down was body language that tells them to turn their butt away and face you. My guess is, he thought she wanted him to turn and got upset because she got after him for what he thought was right.
Wonderful video! You are so accurate and precise with your communication and you understand what the horse is communicating to you. It is wonderful to see in real time how you build the relationship!
Thanks for posting and great video. I really need to do this with one of my horses as he is over friendly (actually the only horse I know who rather talk to you/check what you doing than eat his food booth in the stable and out on the field) and have very little respect for personal space
This horse was obedient until the handler used unnecessary pressure on his hindquarters. That surprised him and he turned in a bit, naturally which made the handler ( who is not yet very experienced) get scared and over reacted by smacking the hind so hard he only had a choice to turn, face her and rear . This horse is not guilty of aggression. The handler is ....although she didn’t mean it exactly....I know. I’ve been there 😅 her mindset needs to go into more compassion and patience with horses and correct gently and immediately, a skill that demands more refinement but is well worth it 👍🏻
Thanks for sharing! I’m needing to work on all of this with a yearling. When we try to set boundaries it gets mad and wants to shoulder into me/circle me pushing me and bite and kick out at me. When we use a whip or lunge line to set a boundary, it gets mad and wants to move in and fight us. If we try to set the boundary more or harsher, it gets more mad.
