This is a very good and educational video. I´d like to point out though that, what in the video is referred to as "knee", is in fact the carpal joint. There is no knee in the front legs. Sadly, a lot of horse people get that wrong. Lot´s of them can´t find the actual knee either. So I think it´s very important that educational videos like this one use the proper terms and educate people on that.
This is actually great, very essential info to identify good moving horses and to build a base off of to learn more about this facet of thoroughbred racing. Has helped me identify good moving juveniles in trials before they debut.
something else to notice with high-knee action horses like the chestnut in this video, is that it seems like they hit the ground much harder, than horses with a lower, more horizontal-forward stride
it's because of basic physics. when you move things in an upward motion you have to spend energy to overcome gravitational pull. The energy needed to pull a weight up is m*g*h (m=mass, g=gravitational force, h=height). Also the work(=energy) you have to make is redundant from the route, so it doesn't matter if you move like an elevator, or going on the starircase, you always have to spend the same amount of energy. Therefore in every sport or movement where you have to reach top speed, it's desirable to have as little upward motion as possible, and have the most forward motion, let it be running, horse races or greyhound races. Also for example horsebreeds like friesians which came frome medieval times and were bred for heavy cavalry have this graceful upward motion. It's because breeders chose them for aesthetics and because they had to move heavy knights in armor.
@@asambi69 Honestly, that's something that always drove me nuts. Why do all of them run way straight like that? We had a couple track and field competitors in gym, and they ran with the classic upright posture like their coaches taught them and you see on the professional tracks. They had great scores, won on a decent basis...and I blitzed them every time. It's entirely possible that I was just ridiculously fast, but that wouldn't explain why they only started catching me when they broke posture. 🤔🤨
Interesting. Ended up here after having back and forth with my friend whose young border collie has the most unusual enormous stride with her front legs splayed out in front and back legs still picking up the bill in the restaurant. She's like Secretariat in dog form it's such an usual movement but she's fit as a fiddle and fast as lightning. Used to have a horse that had all the grace and elegance of a runaway cow until you got him to a flat out gallop. Legs were all over the place like a dodgy marionette but once at a gallop he was like a bullet train. Oddest over jumps too his front legs could have cleared a 10ft wall with his hind leg kind of flinging out almost randomly to the side but it was too consistent to be random if that makes sense. Despite it being really odd to watch and tricky to get used to, he never fell or struggled over jumps it was weird.. My youngest collie is typical cross-firer but Christ can he move as well. He was confined to cramped kennels the first year of his life (I really mean tiny, cramped kennels with nothing but a concrete floor) and it left him with very little strength and muscle tone in his front legs. Developed compulsive spinning / circling so would propel off his hind legs and just touch the mesh with his front so there was nothing there. Kept falling over and wiped out like a giraffe for first few months. Now in much better nick but he struggles to get a nice steady rhythm and does the same heavily pregnant cow running over hot coals thing until he's flat out and then he's away. Not sure if that's the result of prolonged confinement and / or developmental problems or whether like my old horse he just happens to run like a badger sometimes. Good video though.
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Would love to see an analysis on Winx's stride. She seem to be able to change her cadence towards final stretches of races. She doesn't seem very power but she is deceptively fast.
If you google "Winx's stride analysis" there is an article that appears that gives a reason why she is so good - the rate of her stride not just the length. Interestng. www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-01/winx-unorthodox-sprinter-taking-everything-in-stride/8858860
Thank you. Very good video and examples. Who was the first horse in the line up, your first example? He seemed to remind me of the same action of even Secretariat. That flexible and strong chest and swift, low, powerful action is really easy to admire. In these modern times, I am a big fan of the way the mare Black Caviar gallops. I have always considered her stride incredibly efficient. Although, she raced on the turf, she wasted no action whatsoever. Her style and action was breathtaking, making her work look so easy.
I wonder if cross firing horses would do better in the sulky races. I know typically that's a standardbred race but makes me wonder if with the proper training and equipment if they could be retrained for that sort of racing.
Horses breeze (run) at 2yo sales, so you can see their videos of their breezes on the sales websites. Yearlings have not started speedwork, so you would not see stride analyses at yearling sales, but many consignors would have videos of the horses walking.
Little late, but it really depends. The torque being produced would certainly look like it would snap a leg, but I have yet to hear of a horse that 'wings out' go down from that. The dangerous part is the repeated twist motion. In time, it will wear down the joints and tendons faster than a horse that 'runs straight', leading to a shorter career (and probable early arthritis).
There's so many levels of a paddle. For example, Essential Quality had a paddle, as did American Pharoah slightly in his front left. Candy Ride had some very wonky action but was one of the best ever, where as his rival, Medaglia Doro, had insanely clean action and was just not as good. There are just so many variables at play, hence why it is best to learn as much as you can buy not stick to strict rules. Your best agent, by far, is Donato Lanni and he buys all kinds of horses....whether it be 10F dirt machines like Arrogate, Turf monster mares like War Like Goddess, or hearty sprinters like CZ Rocket:. he's simply recognizes a good horse is a good horse no matter what.
+ruffiantillan : Totally agree regarding BC. Also that's what made Frankel as good as he was. You can also add Secretariat into that mould. Not his large heart made up rubbish. All 3 had huge strides = high cruising speed. Others were flat out wile they were still in 3rd gear. Frankel for a horse at 165cm had a unique stride, and seems to hang for a split second. Look at this YT VID and watch "Poetry in Motion ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-L7MChh1F4nI.html BTW he's only cantering in the vid nowhere near full stride ;-) Also found a pic of Frankel, not quite in full stride and his so called "Stride Angle" is 117 degrees
horses cross fire or become disunited usually because of lack of suppleness on one side ....its not a natural thing for young or green horses to do...its a sign of bad training that made them that way you don't see horses disunited in the paddock
Baby horses are asked to run as fast as they can for one furlong at a sale and often just get discombobulate and scared, it's not really an indictment of who they are or will be. There are tons of horses that cross fired at their sale and ended up being great horses. They are never asked to do that before and then never again, but alot of buyers can over look it and lose out on a good horse. The horse will always choose the path of least resistance and it can just take time, although too much cross firing can cause issues. Green Monkey got hurt so I think he is a bad example. Todd Pletcher is pretty terrible with breakdowns and injuries too, doesnt have the best riders, so to what extent Green Monkeys injury was a result of Todd, cross firing is something else, I don't know. I do think had he ended u on with Baffert he could have been real nice. Even tho 16 million was crazy, he was still easily a 1+ million dollar colt with insane potential.
I'm not an expert by any means when it comes to buying racehorses, what to look for pedigree wise or would I have even known what I was seeing in this video was called. But he Green Monkey thing to this day still confuses me. Looking at his running at the auction to the naked eye something looked WAY off. How could those professionals who buy horses for a living not recognize that that couldn't possibly translate to consistent times an winning on the track? Also (a little off the main subject) that first horse has a gorgeous stride but is it just me or is something different there, he doesn't look like a thoroughbred, he looks short and stout and even his feet look different, his feet kind of look like Clydesdale feet (which I obviously know is not the case, but still). I still have no idea why people still put so much credence to horses pedigree, I think they value it far, far more than they should and history bares that out. Think about how rarely great racehorses on the track sire great racehorses. It seems to almost never happen. Instead it's often horses who were failures on the track or never raced at all that go on to have the most successful offspring. This can't be a coincidence and clearly having a great and fast parent(s) doesn't mean they will be the same. In fact quite the opposite. It's only after a period of time when different horses offspring are old enough and begin to race that we see how successful their parents are/were at breeding talent and people should focus more on that (what their offspring has done) and less on what they did. To me it's basically a crapshoot, great bloodlines lead to duds more often than not and absolute great horses seemingly come out of nowhere. You can never fully know how 2 different horses dna and their bloodlines are going to match up and know what type of runners their children will be.
well your course of thinking is not wrong, however breeders take the these into consideration. for example the sperm of a stallion who has more offsrpings or competing offspring is more exensive. However the problem starts in the system of horse races because it's a lot about money. Breeders breed to compete well but, but also for asking fuckton of money from those who want to invest. Also I have met some rich people in my life and I think some of them are only fortunate cause without their wealth they would die within a day. (=they are stupid). I never really joined the world of horseraces because where betting is the main source of income that's not really about horses imho.
