Horween Leather! Why is Good Leather More Expensive?

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In this video I had an opportunity to visit Horween Leather Co in Chicago, Illinois while I just happend to be in town for business. Horween is the supplier for the Shell Cordovan for Allen Edmonds shoes. As a matter of fact, the soles of their Shell Cordovan shoes actually have the "Genuine Horween Shell Cordovan" stamp on them:
www.allenedmonds.com/dw/image...
I took an impromtu tour, and show you some of the finer points of calfskin and shell cordovan leather production. I would like to give special thanks to John Lunny of Tannery Row (a division of Horween) for being so gracious as to give me a partial tour unannounced! Here is a link to Horween's website:
www.horween.com
Related videos:
"Leather Talk with Phil from Horween/Ashland Leather - Part 1"
• Leather Talk with Phil...
Here is a video from Allen Edmonds on Shell Cordovan:
binged.it/2qcSkhp
Here are a few links to my related videos:
"Leather Quality explained: Aniline? Full Grain? Corrected Grain?"
• Leather Quality explai...
"Why Shell Cordovan (horse butt leather) is so expensive!"
• Why Shell Cordovan (ho...
"De-coding a Vintage 22 yr old Florsheim Shell Cordovan PTB"
• De-coding a Vintage 22...
Music Credit: RU-vid Audio Library. Sorry for the loud volume, the original song I put in the video was snagged for a copywright claim, so I replaced it after uploading with RU-vid's software, which has no provision for volume control.

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@edf2953 5 лет назад

Hi Robert, I just watched this video for the second time. It’s amazingly informative as I believe I’ve mentioned previously. I’m baffled as to why this video only has around 1700 views. Anyway, from my perspective, keep up the good work! I’m learning a lot about shoes, the shoe industry, etc. from your excellent productions. Thanks again.

@ianbutler1983 5 лет назад

Thanks Robert, that was very interesting. I had no idea of most of this.

@zefdin101 Год назад

Omg, I must’ve missed this video. I am excited to watch, thank you Bob for all your time & efforts to bring this content. I’ve never been to Horween, but I am going to enjoy this vicarious trip!

@CobblerBob Год назад

I just wished I had the forethought to set it up in advance to get video inside instead of just photos.

@succesful01 3 года назад

Great video. I love leather products and your channel explained it in amazing detail. Thanks for this.

@Jason-lm8ni 5 лет назад

Wow, Many Thx Robert!!! Because of you, i've learned more about about skin & leather. Thx again, Robert.

@WeneedmoreY1outube 5 лет назад

Loved this video. So informative and cool! Really interesting to see the factory

@HoglyStevenson 5 лет назад

Another AWESOME video Robert. I knew about Horween Shell Cordovan, but didnt realize it was used backwards

@oznem7949 5 лет назад

Learn something new from your videos today. Thanks for sharing

@eyeheartsushi2212 5 лет назад

Excellent video. Thanks, Robert.

@mohammedibrahim6062 5 лет назад

Thank you Robert for the great information

@kentpool7414 5 лет назад

Great video. As a researcher by occupation, I love this.

@philschiavone101 5 лет назад

Robert this is a great video. I am a bit surprised that your tour guide did not mention that Horween does not stretch the leather in the various drying phases. A lot of producers stretch the leather tight during the drying phase. Horween will actually let it dry without pulling the leather tight. You loose at least 2 feet of leather when you dry this way. Another reason that Horween Leather is more expensive but the leather conforms to the foot better and lasts quite a bit longer also.

@CobblerBob 5 лет назад

Wow, I didn’t know that!

@forbanch 4 года назад

Very interesting! Thank you!

@American-dy5jk 5 лет назад

Thank you for doing this video. So the membrane that is “shell cordovan” is the opposite side of the “top grain” in a very specific portion of the hindquarter of a horse. This underside membrane then becomes the outside top or visible surface when making shoes. Finally it makes sense!

@TheNunakun 5 лет назад

Amazing dedication and presentation. You share more quality info than the majority of other sources absolutely. Thanks and hope you had a good trip! From Chicagoland myself. Miss the city very much. Hope you had time to try some pizza as well (both deep and tavern-style thin crust, latter well-known by locals)

@CobblerBob 5 лет назад

TheNunakun I had to forgo the pizzas for the visit to Horween!

@timestandsstill7960 5 лет назад

Great content!

@raraavis7782 5 лет назад

Very interesting and didn’t mind, that it was just pictures, actually. Gives you more time to actually focus on what’s shown.

@georgesanchez9971 3 года назад

Horween does make very good products. However, the video appeared to be a commercial for Horween. There are many other companies that produce excellent products at lower prices.

@CobblerBob 2 года назад

I get where you're coming from, and I AM biased because Horween is a big supplier to Allen Edmonds (my fav shoe brand), and because I'm friends with Phill Kalas, owner of Ashland Leather Company, that uses only Horween for his Shell products. I was not paid or anything like that by Horween. As I said in the video, it really was just a thing of happenstance that I was in the area and able to do this. I cannot comment on other tanneries simply because I don't know anything about them! I hope you still got some value out of the video. And maybe Horween should cut me into their profits? LOL.

@Josh-wq2lr 5 лет назад

Nice video Robert. I love the history of Horween Leather Co. I'm kind of partial to them as I do work there. Thanks again for the good video.

@CobblerBob 5 лет назад

Josh N - no kidding! Is it difficult to get a full tour of the tanning area? I only saw the finishing area as I popped in un-announced.

@Josh-wq2lr 5 лет назад

Robert Powers it's not generally difficult. All you should have to do is call ahead. I see tours go through the tannery all the time.

@TheBestOfEverything-dt2nt 5 лет назад

Thank you!

@razakidris 5 лет назад

Thank you for sharing Sir.

@CobblerBob 5 лет назад

Razak Idris you’re welcome! If you liked this also check out the 12/31/2018 video “Leather Talk with Phil from Horween/Ashland - Part 1” ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lm2NcSuxIoY.html

@johnbell1859 5 лет назад

Good video thank you

@NachoTubeChicago 5 лет назад

I own three pair of Wolverine 1000 miles boots, one I had never heard of Horween leather until I started buying the boots, secondly it’s in my hometown and finally I know someone that works there lol

@allen31951 5 лет назад

I live in the south suburbs of Chicago and have never driven by the Horween factory. I need to make a visit there. Thanks for the video.

@CobblerBob 5 лет назад

Allen Sandusky you’re welcome! Make sure you see it!!

@Benjamin-kn7xf 6 месяцев назад

Hi Robert, thank you for uploading! Do you know what the second number printed below the horween stamp stands for? (First is size obviously, see 15:25) Thanks, Benjamin

@jaybirdgloves4091 5 лет назад

Best tannery for baseball glove leather!!

@maxineglassberg4937 5 лет назад

Very interesting

@SerjioDufour 5 лет назад

What's the difference or is there a difference between Genuine Horween leather and Chromexcel leather?

@CobblerBob 5 лет назад

Serjio Dufour - “Chromexcel” is a product name of a specific kind of leather that Horween makes (it’s their own name). So all Chromexcel leather is also Genuine Horween leather (unless it’s counterfeit), but all Horween leather is not Chromexcel. There are several ways to tan leather. Tanning is the process of taking an animal hide, and turning into leather through a series of chemical processes. One major way to tan leather is chrome tanning, using chromium salts, and another major is vegetable tanning. Then there are other ways I’m not familiar with, and hybrid processes. Each way of tanning produces a different product, and produces leather with very different physical properties. www.horween.com/blog/2010/03/23/chromexcel®-2 Also, if you REALLY want to learn more, makes sure you watch the 3 part series I posted called “Leather Talk with Phil from Horween/Ashland Leather”. Part 1: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lm2NcSuxIoY.html Part 2: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LfkzAbiBhaY.html Part 3: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-E3wW_IjJ9Ks.html

@SerjioDufour 5 лет назад

@@CobblerBob thanks I will check it out because I was wondering why they would say one shoe is made of chromexcel while the other is genuine horween leather and both are sold by the same company.

@edf2953 5 лет назад

Robert, it was fun to sense your excitement in producing this video. I live in a Chicago suburb and have thought of touring Horween, Oak Street Bootmakers (Office), and the company that makes Venetian Leather Cream, all headquartered in Chicago. I’m wondering if, based on your experience, if you would recommend someone as myself with an interest in the production of shoes, touring the Horween facility? Let me know your thoughts, okay? Thanks

@CobblerBob 5 лет назад

Ed F absolutely! I would recommend 2 tho gs: 1. look up as much stuff about leather and leather tanning before going 2. Pre-arrange a tour, don’t show up unannounced!

@freddieslaughter1107 2 года назад

Does calf leather come from a calf or is it just a type of leather?

@CobblerBob 2 года назад

Yes, it comes from young cows, but they are not slaughtered for the hydes. It's a byproduct of the food industry. A cow that's a little older will yield what's called Kipskin. You'll see this in belts among other things.

@rockypacdocyagi1473 5 лет назад

Hey Robert, loving your channel, learning heaps out of your content. Do you use other social media like Instagram?

@CobblerBob 5 лет назад

Thanks you! Yes, I’m rvp_robert_powers on instagram. I don’t post a ton on there, but prob a few times a week.

@davidpielykh3996 5 лет назад

I've watched many youtube videos about shell, still can't fully understand the particular anatomic part shell is being made of. People saying it's some kind of membrane which should be subcutaneous or muscular fascia/aponeurosis, but I doubt it can be as thick. So according to you it's just processed reversed skin? Thank you for your videos! Would like to see more in depth shell manufacturing process.

@CobblerBob 5 лет назад

I’m not an expert on animal anatomy, but from my understanding it’s a membrane which resides on the backside of the skin. I think this video will help, I interview Phil Kalas, who is an employee of Horween Leather, and he also owns a leather goods business called Ashland leather company. We discussed shell Cordovan in detail: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lm2NcSuxIoY.html

@AshlandLeather 5 лет назад

Hey, Robert! If you are back in Chicago for work let me know. I will do my best to arrange a tannery walk through

@CobblerBob 5 лет назад

Ashland Leather Co. thank you!! I didn’t mention, I DID get a phone call a few days later from Nick Horween himself! It’s amazing to see the personal human touch!

@AshlandLeather 5 лет назад

Nice! I'm glad Nick reached out. Love your vids...I have something I want to send you. Email me?

@CobblerBob 5 лет назад

If you liked this video and want to learn more about leather, you may like this video where I interview Phil Kalas, a Horween employee and he also runs Ashland Leather Co., a leather goods business: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lm2NcSuxIoY.html

@Crackers2549 5 лет назад

Born a South Sider....Horween, The Best Leather In The World..!...Chicago

@Rickxxxs 3 года назад

respect to the #HebruBrantley Art towards the end of the video

@freddieslaughter1107 2 года назад

I would love to have a pair of shell cordovan shoes in burgundy, but they are way too expensive.

@CobblerBob 2 года назад

I feel ya’. I’m always keeping my eyes peeled for pairs thrifting though!

@SPNKr16 5 лет назад

Great video except for the sucky music at the end. I hope you fix the volume of any music you use, in general, so your voice isn't buried in comparison. :) I have a pair of longwing Allen Edmonds in dark chocolate, full brogue coming. Hope you do a video on deciphering the codes on the lining of AE shoes.

@CobblerBob 5 лет назад

SPNKr sorry about that, honestly mixing the music sound is fairly difficult. Generally with all my videos I’ve got the volume adjusted all the way up on the video editing software, and to get the audio any clearer or louder, I’d probably have to start buying better equipment which just isn’t in the cards right now. Another factor is I’m often editing these videos very late at night, like midnight/1 AM and I’m probably keeping the PC speakers down low so I don’t wake up the family, which makes it harder to hear the difference in sound. I’ll keep trying to improve though, you have my word!

@SPNKr16 5 лет назад

@@CobblerBob I would suggest a pair of headphones, the over ear type, and most free editing software should give you free reign on audio editing too. Mixing on low monitor (external speaker) volume is a pain (my channel has a lot of remixed music) so trying headphones is a start and maybe look up guides/walkthroughs for your editing software. Hope you do more AE videos.

@pattgsm 5 лет назад

Robert Powers - I appreciate your content. It's fine to take constructive criticism but don't apologize if the quality was the best you could do at the moment. Criticism w/o specific guidance is worthless. If I had any experience w/ editing / mixing or guides & walk throughs, I'd reach out to you and provide title, link, or some tangible point of reference if I thought it would help. Like all skills and hobbies, you get better and more knowledge as you go. Thank you for sharing your interests and enthusiasm🙏

@frankcrawford416 5 лет назад

Robert, what American work boots and hiking boots use their leather. I would like to purchase a pair. Thanks.

@CobblerBob 5 лет назад

Frank Crawford - I am honestly no expert on boots, but I know someone who is! If you jump over to my “Leather Talk with Phil from Ashland/Horween” videos, the guy I interview there Phil Kalas WORKS at Horween, and also runs his own leather goods company Ashland Leather. He happens to be a leather boot fan. Email him at phil@ashlandleather.com and I’m sure he’ll have good input! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lm2NcSuxIoY.html

@estern001 3 года назад

Not understanding how more people are not interested in this.

@CobblerBob 3 года назад

LOL, thank you!!!! Honestly, I wonder if not being monetized hurts my channel. My channel hasn’t been monetized bc I work in finance and outside business activities have to be pre-approved, and it’s a pain in the butt process for something like this channel that wouldn’t make much. Anyway, thanks for the compliment!!

@colemancalgary5260 4 года назад

They let me film the whole process and interview people I think Nick Horween is tired of all these wannabe you tubers wanting a tour and to film for their channels that nobody watches.