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Hosting the Olympics is Broken. Let's Fix It. 

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Hosting the Olympics is an expensive proposition. Cost varies according to hosts, but even a games on a tight budget like London cost $10 billion dollars, though that’s nothing compared to the $44 billion dollar price tag for Beijing’s games or $51 billion dollars for Sochi. Olympic boosters will say the costs are worth it, while skeptics will say the money and effort is better spent directly helping its citizens. I’m going to discuss some of the tradeoffs associated with hosting the Olympics and tell you why I think only six cities should host the games from here on out: Calgary, Rio, Turin, Cape Town, PyeongChang, and Sydney.
Resources on this topic:
"Impacts of the Olympic Games as Mega-Events" by Malfas, et. al opus.lib.uts.edu.au/bitstream...
"Urban development through hosting international events: a history of the Olympic Games" by Chalkley and Essex
"Predicting the Costs and Benefits of Mega Sporting Events: Misjudgement of Olympic Proportions?" by Barclay onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10...
"Why Nobody Wants to Host the 2022 Winter Olympics" Time Magazine time.com/3462070/olympics-wint...
"After the Party: What Happens When the Olympics Leave Town" Independent www.independent.co.uk/sport/o...
"Of 21 Winter Olympic Cities, Many May Soon Be Too Warm to Host the Games" New York Times www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...
"Ghosts of Olympics Past" Reuters www.reuters.com/news/picture/...
"Olympics: In rarity for Games, Pyeongchang preparations run smoothly" Kyodo News english.kyodonews.net/news/20...
"Permanent Olympic Site Would Address Growing Costs, Host Issues, Advocates Say" International Business Times www.ibtimes.com/permanent-olym...
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Burbex.org. See their article on Beijing's abandoned venues here: burbex.org/2016/09/30/white-w...
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@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
How would you fix hosting the Olympics? And what do you think of my city picks?
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 6 лет назад
I agree with you 100 percent actually.
@soli82cat
@soli82cat 6 лет назад
I agree with you 100%. There should be fixed host cities, however, that will never fly with some cities that never hosted or cities that already hosted.
@dbricksawc3634
@dbricksawc3634 6 лет назад
City Beautiful o prefer Sochi
@jakobjess8995
@jakobjess8995 6 лет назад
Do you live in Sacramento, cause that's where I live.
@levim9707
@levim9707 6 лет назад
I think that when bids are being voted on the top three should get to host the next three. So say you look at the bids for the 2016 Olympics: Rio would host in 2016, Madrid in 2020 and Tokyo in 2024. That way the later games have more time to work out the cost and building along with figuring what to do with the buildings after.
@BabsW
@BabsW 4 года назад
Over the past 20 years, the IOC has been massively increasing the percentage of profits that they receive for each Olympics. That's a key reason why hosting is unprofitable now.
@jimaglonzoa.m6368
@jimaglonzoa.m6368 3 года назад
I remember how the IOC criticize Atlanta 1996 for being too commercialize for corporate sponsorship yet today the IOC are profiting billions of money from the financial methods used by Atlanta. Look at Atlanta now, they are still benefiting from the games. The centennial olympic park still draws crowd and businesses, tho some far flung venues are not used.
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz 6 лет назад
I'd say Capetown would be a mistake with there current water crisis it would run the city dry!
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
I know -- I recorded the script for this video after I heard about that!
@marlonmoncrieffe0728
@marlonmoncrieffe0728 6 лет назад
Alexander Sunderland-Bragg Yeah but I would expect the regular African countries that would host the summer games would tend to be South Africa or Egypt. Maybe Kenya and the rest of the North African states excluding Libya too.
@AmokCanuck
@AmokCanuck 6 лет назад
Maybe instead of cape town they would do Pretoria? Would make sense
@MythicalRedFox
@MythicalRedFox 6 лет назад
Agreed. I think Nairobi would be a better choice.
@AmokCanuck
@AmokCanuck 6 лет назад
MythicalRedFox a hell of a lot of socio economic problems in Nairobi I don't think that's a good choice
@smitias_8474
@smitias_8474 3 года назад
Russia: Most of the country is globally known to have a "proper" winter. Also Russia: Hosts winter olympic in its only really warm region. So warm, it needs to artificially add snow. Dooming most of the built winter sports structures by doing so. I won't even go about how it wasn't reasonably affordable for a stagnating country with mostly poor population.
@cooldoggo3221
@cooldoggo3221 3 года назад
Every great power needs to be educated in "Reasonably affordable" LMAO
@matthewhemmings2464
@matthewhemmings2464 3 года назад
SmitiaS The thing is Russia is an extremely flat country. Sochi, and the Caucasus is probably the only region where building skying infrastructure for the Olympics is possible. The other regions are either too isolated, or too unstable to host Olympics.
@smitias_8474
@smitias_8474 3 года назад
@@matthewhemmings2464 I would argue it is not true. There is Ural, Altai and pretty much whole Far East (42% of Russian land btw) is mountains. The most unstable region of Russia is, in fact, Caucasus - right next to where Olympics took place - so this point is just not valid. While some regions of Russia is indeed isolated (most of the Far East), there was plenty of options. I would speculate most realistic options are Ural and Far East at pacific coast. While Ural is better suited for events, investments in Far East would be a major blessing for underdeveloped and shrinking region. Places like Altai are of limits as it would endanger natural preserves and could greatly anger dominant native population.
@misha.michael
@misha.michael 3 года назад
@@smitias_8474 Far East doesn't have good enough infrastructure/ transportation connections. Ural is better, but the cities there are not very attractive for tourists and the ski resorts are drastically underdeveloped. Sounds ironic, but Russia is not a good country to host winter olympics.
@smitias_8474
@smitias_8474 3 года назад
​@Anton Taylor I'm russian citizen, LOL atchya. All economic growth was in 00s, 10s is stagnation. And through all this years wealth inequality was steadily increasing. So even though we saw overall growth, poverty still risen lately. And that in part also because our goverment prefer waste money on Olympics for prestige points rather than improving socioeconomic conditions for citizens. P. S. They butchered robust medical system in the last decade. Then COVID came and we have to pay in human lives instead of yesterdays money.
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 6 лет назад
Wow. 21 of the 22 sites in Athens are currently abandoned? That's craziness.
@marlonmoncrieffe0728
@marlonmoncrieffe0728 6 лет назад
Mr. Beat I did not know that either! What a waste! And with the debt crisis, I gotta ask: could Greece BE any more fiscally irresponsible???
@ChrisWachtler
@ChrisWachtler 6 лет назад
I think the only thing currently in use is the olympic stadium, which is mostly used for football games and some sporting events. You can look up pictures of the sites nowadays, it's dreadful.
@AthanasiosK
@AthanasiosK 6 лет назад
That is totally inaccurate. There are way more venues in use but some have been converted for other uses. There are certainly some completely abandoned venues but they make up less than half. I don't know where that number came from.
@callmedrew5726
@callmedrew5726 6 лет назад
@Athanasios Kountouras Please, explain, what venues are still in use because I'm from Athens and the only venue still in use is the OAKA (Athens Olympic Sports Complex), maybe a couple more of venues (?) but that's about it, most of them are abandoned and full of junkies. I highly doubt you know your shit.
@AdamSmith-gs2dv
@AdamSmith-gs2dv 6 лет назад
Even more crazy is the fact Greece spent 1/5 of it's entire GDP on it!
@calebweldon8102
@calebweldon8102 6 лет назад
They should organize it so more money goes to the city instead of the Olympic committee and reduce the cost of building the games.
@izdatsumcp
@izdatsumcp 4 года назад
You still have a bunch of white elephants though.
@indianajones8958
@indianajones8958 3 года назад
@@izdatsumcp ???
@TheSalPic
@TheSalPic 6 лет назад
I feel like if they went with the World Cup method and chose COUNTRIES, instead of cities, you may be able to solve a lot of problems. Large countries would probably have to limit the games to a particular region (say the US using the Southeast for a summer games), but then you can spread out the costs. Works for the WC, why not the Olympics?
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
True true! I think most of the host cities are really "host regions" at this point already anyway.
@marlonmoncrieffe0728
@marlonmoncrieffe0728 6 лет назад
Sal Picataggio Yeah, even without the modern large size of the Olympic games, a host CITY is WAY too limited; a host NATION would be better. For example, the U.K. could hold events all across their four countries' biggest cities like London, Manchester, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Cardiff, and Belfast.
@Knightmessenger
@Knightmessenger 6 лет назад
That's my thought as well.
@MTmerm
@MTmerm 6 лет назад
Birmingham too? Since it is the largest populated city besides London. Although, it's kind of a shit place.
@TheSalPic
@TheSalPic 6 лет назад
If "England" hosted why not.
@AlexandPedro
@AlexandPedro 6 лет назад
No matter how we choose criteria for cities hosting the Olympics, there will always be countries who will claim that it is unfair that they were not chosen.
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
Good point!
@MikeDCWeld
@MikeDCWeld 6 лет назад
Alex and Pedro then let's have each event in a different country. I don't believe there are enough events to completely cover the globe, but we should be able to hit every country that wants to host.
@feynstein1004
@feynstein1004 6 лет назад
Indeed. It's like a Tragedy of the Commons situation.
@frim3647
@frim3647 6 лет назад
Michael Carnes Seriously? Your saying I have to go to Canada to watch bobsledding, and then fly to China for curling the next day and then back to Oslo for the ski jump?
@MikeDCWeld
@MikeDCWeld 6 лет назад
Sir Ramen of course not! All the events will be held simultaneously. You pick the event you want to see and go there.
@ikickss
@ikickss 6 лет назад
The biggest problem with Olympics is IOC. It is the most greedy sports organization on earth, taking 70%+ of TV rights revenue. As best as I can tell no sports federation does that. Once this graft is resolved half the problem is solved. I like the system of rotating permanent cities, but modify it by adding non-permanent cities to hold it every other one, or maybe every third one.
@marlonmoncrieffe0728
@marlonmoncrieffe0728 6 лет назад
ikickss The IOC is even worse than FIFA eh? Go figure...
@Knightmessenger
@Knightmessenger 6 лет назад
IOC is greedier than the NCAA? Those people make millions too yet if one of their unpaid "student athletes" gets a bagel for free, they severely punish the school 4 years later.
@TheBaldr
@TheBaldr 6 лет назад
The NCAA publishes their finances every year publicly. Where the millions you talk about? NCAA is a non-profit organization. You know where any of the profit goes? Any profit they make goes directly into student scholarships for non-sustainable college sports (ie. not football or basketball) It not millions as you say.
@Coregamer6
@Coregamer6 5 лет назад
Knightmessenger they can get bagels but not cream cheese
@izdatsumcp
@izdatsumcp 4 года назад
"I like the system of rotating permanent cities, but modify it by adding non-permanent cities to hold it every other one, or maybe every third one. " Why? So cities can be fucked every other Olympics instead?
@Healthy_Horseman
@Healthy_Horseman 2 года назад
Problem with the southern hemisphere is they're in opposite seasons, so summer in America is winter in Australia.
@CardsNHorns04
@CardsNHorns04 6 лет назад
I would agree. I heard the permanent site idea but I didn't like it. I agree (with the exception of Cape Town) as the permanent continental sites, but I would add Athens since the Olympics date back to Ancient Greece and it would be nice every 16 years for Athens to get the Summer Olympics.
@irthamepali
@irthamepali 6 лет назад
the only thing that i and many ppl want to host is the basketball wc or eurobasket and we have infustructure for baketball
@sa_21
@sa_21 5 лет назад
If we were to be the one or one of a number of permanent host venues of the Olympics we would happily take the opportunity.WE ARE THE BIRTHPLACE OF THE OLYMPICS and It would really make us take care of all the sporting venues we currently have left at a state of despair. And they are only at that state because of 2 reasons: 1)knowing that it is a one-off event and we won't need them in the near future 2)we don't have many sporting teams in sports like baseball,softball or other sports like tennis or cycling or even water polo, despite the many medals both the men and women water polo teams have won, don't have the same appeal to the Greek people. And I think the tactic that should be used is to SCRAP the host CITY and have the Olympic Games be organised and take place in a HOST NATION. In a similar way as to how the UEFA Euro or the FIFA World Cup work you could drastically minimise the risk of multiple sporting complexes falling into shambles by assigning different sporting events to different sporting venues around the same country. For instance, the football and basketball tournaments could be host in cities like Athens,Thessaloniki,Patras,Volos,Herakleion etc.,all the field events could all take place in the Ancient Olympia stadium, kanoe kayak could take place in a whole lot different canyons around Greece and so on the case goes.What's more it could encourage host cities to rebuild or redevelop their infrastructure on a national basis, as cities like Patras or Volos have not even half as much or good the infrastructure as the capital Athens has
4 года назад
Every 12 years
@ns7023
@ns7023 3 года назад
Athenians would rather kill before hosting again
@hart-of-gold
@hart-of-gold 6 лет назад
1 major point in favour of Sydney (I'm a Sydneysider) is the venues were existing, designed as multi-use venues or had enough demand of use after the games. In the last couple of years the Exhibition Centre has been rebuilt and the main stadium will be rebuilt in the next couple of years. But most other venues are still in use.
@realrinat
@realrinat 5 лет назад
Why not make all Olympic Games in olymp in Greece
@jfwfreo
@jfwfreo 6 лет назад
The decision for LA to host the 2028 games makes a lot of sense. Most of the venue work they are doing is work that needs doing anyway (e.g. LA Stadium will get a lot of use for the NFL as well as the Olympics and Banc of California Stadium will get use for a Major League Soccer team as well as the games). As a former host they can re-use existing infrastructure as well (e.g. the Coliseum). They have lots of existing infrastructure in general (including transport stuff like BART) so they dont need to build a lot of stuff. Brisbane on the other hand (another city that has talked about hosting the Olympic Games and is about to host the Commonwealth Games down on the Gold Coast) would need a lot more infrastructure (a lot less of which would see use after the Olympics).
@alquinn8576
@alquinn8576 5 лет назад
um..BART is bay area, though some of the soccer matches might be held there
@VanBurenOfficial
@VanBurenOfficial 5 лет назад
Bart is SF
@JayJayGamerOfficial
@JayJayGamerOfficial 3 года назад
Gold coast is a separate city to the gold coast, they are more twin cities than one city with 2 cbd's
@Jpk21
@Jpk21 2 года назад
You do know that BART is in the Bay Area, right?
@ne0ge047
@ne0ge047 6 лет назад
I like the idea of having permanent olympic cities on each continent. I only have one problem with one city and that is Cape Town and only due to the water crisis it is currently experiencing. I really enjoy your channel and wished you posted more often. Keep up the good work!
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
I know, I found out about that after I wrote the video. Maybe in a few years this issue won't be a problem.
@woutervanr
@woutervanr 3 года назад
@@CityBeautiful You'd hope so.
@ChrisWachtler
@ChrisWachtler 6 лет назад
I'd chose Sapporo over Pyeongchang, especially because most of their facilities are not permanent ones. Sapporo is also debating to bid for the Winter Olympics 2026 and 2030, so they seem to be willing to update their infrastructure. Furthermore Sapporo is the 5th largest city in Japan and is well connected by train and airport, making travel to the city very easy. Also Switzerland, or rather the city of Sion, are debating about hosting the Winter Olympics 2026 as a joined venture, basically a national event. Switzerland also hosts the IOC, so it might be another candidate to become a permanent host. But the choices you offered all makes sense.
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
I was also considering a Switzerland location due to the proximity of the IOC. And I felt like I was flipping a coin between Sapporo and Pyeongchang.
@koninkrijkdernederlanden8711
@koninkrijkdernederlanden8711 6 лет назад
Well, Switzerland indeed is the best option in Europe. Italy isn't that much of a neutral area within Europe and even in the EU. Just see how EU states are reacting to ECB policy or the recent bidding on the EMA, the European FDA. Also the air isn't clean in Turin due to the fact the Alps are blocking the wind. I also have my doubts on Cape Town as Olympic city. Cape Town has serious water problems. On the other hand, Alexandria will get water problems as well if Ethiopia is building too much dams in the river Nile. Although I am fair I have not compared these options to alternatives such as Nigeria.
@dan8085
@dan8085 6 лет назад
The only non-permanent facility in Pyeongchang will be the opening/closing ceremony stadium. Pyeongchang has brand new infrastructure, and they've proven to understand how to keep a budget. Rotating between Pyeongchang and Nagano would make much more sense, considering that Sapporo hasn't hosted since the early 70s and is on Hokkaido rather than Honshu.
@dan8085
@dan8085 6 лет назад
Dude, Sapporo is north of North Korea.
@irispark1381
@irispark1381 6 лет назад
Honestly don't gey why they are not keeping pyungchang venue. Looks like a perfect winter ski getaway for all the people on souel expecially with the high speed rail.
@josephhouk6703
@josephhouk6703 6 лет назад
There is one major problem with the three summer sites: their summer isn't the summer in most of the rest of the world (NA, Europe, Asia)...
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
I think they just held the Rio and Sydney games close-ish to northern hemisphere fall.
@player-gd9qh
@player-gd9qh 5 лет назад
I'm from Rio and I was melting in our "winter" games
@Asharra12
@Asharra12 3 года назад
Why do we have to follow Northern Hemisphere timeline anyway? Besides going after or before the monsoon season (Nov-Feb) is better anyway.
@Boby9333
@Boby9333 2 года назад
@@Asharra12 Because more than 75% of the world population live in the northern hemisphere.
@toby2636
@toby2636 4 года назад
I think London should host again. I loved the 2012 Olympics.
@josephaugustinerhodenhiser1353
@josephaugustinerhodenhiser1353 2 года назад
London offered to take the 2020/21 Olympics from Tokyo, because it still hasthe infrastructure.
@JayJayGamerOfficial
@JayJayGamerOfficial 3 года назад
I live in sydney and Sydney Olympic Park is still full of life even after 20 years of the 2000 Olympics, our aquatics centre is a public place and the stadiums get used frequently for sporting events
@MK-ex4pb
@MK-ex4pb 6 лет назад
This idea is growing but i don't think these cities are necessarily a good pick.
@kaiofficial7168
@kaiofficial7168 6 лет назад
Michael King what city’s would you pick?
@Tom-ed2fc
@Tom-ed2fc 6 лет назад
I think London and LA should be able to host the olympics as they have almost all the infrastructure required to host the olympics already. Also the most powerful country on earth not being able to host the olympics? Really?
@MK-ex4pb
@MK-ex4pb 6 лет назад
Thomas Roberts this is why we can't restrict it to just 3 cities. That's absurd. LA has awful infrastructure
@MK-ex4pb
@MK-ex4pb 6 лет назад
Kai H I'm not sure tbh. I don't think it's remotely fair to limit the North to Winter games and only 3 cities. I'm not against any of these cities if others are also included, but if only 6, not these
@AdamO_1
@AdamO_1 6 лет назад
Michael, your argument seems to be that limiting the Olympics to 3 cities per season is the problem. So how is changing the cities going to solve that? He came up with a great solution to minimize spending and maximize use, all while taking global trends into mind. It might not be perfect, but I feel like you'd be hard pressed to find a more well thought out string of ideas than this video.
@zackradziewicz5168
@zackradziewicz5168 6 лет назад
Amazing video! I love people that love the olympics as much as myself and want to strive for a better games that's not daunting to host cities/countries. You should make a whole channel on this kinda stuff. Really amazing topics!
@stevenpdx
@stevenpdx 6 лет назад
I'd choose Los Angeles for the summer Olympics. They've got the infrastructure in place and actually turned a profit last time they hosted.
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
It'll host in 2028!
@millimetersofmercury
@millimetersofmercury 5 лет назад
Los Angeles turned a profit BOTH times
@britamericaball2505
@britamericaball2505 4 года назад
They are avoiding geopolitics mate.
@BabsW
@BabsW 4 года назад
LA has poor public transportation infrastructure for a developed city.
@christopherhiggins2350
@christopherhiggins2350 2 года назад
@@BabsW It's not as bad as people make it out to be. And will be decent in 2028. All the major points for the Olympic games will be connected.
@jwrfd
@jwrfd 4 года назад
Londons Olympics was amazing It was actually profitable as London converted terraced housing into London and gave people houses There is a huge shopping mall and a massive park and it's so modern
@orionzspark
@orionzspark 4 года назад
I second this. I was in the area around February (for an event that was in the area but not in the park itself) and most things that weren't temporary are still being used. They did a great job making sure that everything isn't just being left to rot, unlike some country that's hosted in recent years...
@aodhganmerrimac
@aodhganmerrimac 3 года назад
Didn't the London Olympics lead to evictions, gentrification & privatization of much public space?
@nannerz1994
@nannerz1994 6 лет назад
I absolutely love your channel! It's right up my alley, and is exactly what I'm always looking to watch. Keep doing what you do!
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
Thanks!
@neurotransmissions
@neurotransmissions 6 лет назад
Great video! I love the idea of having pre-defined cities. All good picks, too. Though the only issue I could see is continents being upset that they never get to host the summer olympics, since I think they typically have higher viewer counts/are more profitable, no? Anyway, good stuff!
@tomek10m
@tomek10m 6 лет назад
Summer olympics would be hosted by poorer countries then hosts of winter games (excluding Australia) so it would be fair to give Brazil and South Africa chance to get higher profits
@chowdertime9491
@chowdertime9491 6 лет назад
Neuro Transmissions nah no one wants to host though
@chowdertime9491
@chowdertime9491 6 лет назад
tomek10misji I agree
@mymagicallittleuniverse3399
@mymagicallittleuniverse3399 6 лет назад
they should have a designated city on each continent and then go in a rotation between the cities.... then people wouldn't be upset
@noahbowie5985
@noahbowie5985 3 года назад
A blend of the current system and the pre-defined cities idea could work. A few cities around the globe could regularly host whilst other cities could submit proposals to host the games if they so desired but the legacy and sustainability of new developments in new cities should be the most important part of an Olympic bid.
@kthomas9641
@kthomas9641 6 лет назад
Brilliant idea! I lived in Vancouver during the 2010 games and by far the best outcome was the light rail. I remember there was a lot of concern there wouldn't be enough snow the weeks leading up to the games.
@Hyperventilacion
@Hyperventilacion 6 лет назад
Great video! As a Mexican historian I feel obliged to thank you for making a call about the massacre of the 68 in CDMX (Mexico City), and I'll add a bit of context, because there's also a really important "semiotic" weight to the Olympics; in a certain way the Olympics mean to be O.K. with the global status quo and they work as a extremely important diplomatic event. In this case we had several student revolts across the world and an special situation of left-wing parties taking power in Latin America (which culminated wit the Chilean election and coup d'etat in the 70's), and this meant a drifting of American power (as continent) towards communism, we already had Cuba, so U.S. wasn't eager to add more countries to CCCP's side so it took an extremely aggressive interventionist foreign policy- in the same manner, after Cardenas' government on Mexico, the main party took a pro-US policy which was mutually beneficial at the beginning but soon the US started to "buy" politicians and policy-makers that made one-sided deals to help US development (thus, as today Mexico produces petrol but not gasoline, that's processed on US). By the time Díaz Ordaz was in the presidency Mexico was more of a vassal state, that meant that it would not allow those revolts to take place or to be highlighted in such an important event as the Olympics, that's why even though they could've dispersed the multitude with regular crowd-control tactics they infiltrated people to commit a massacre and kill the leaders of the student movement, this was a response to the petitions and concerns of the US embassy in CDMX. So, the diplomatic implications of the Olympics are another big deal with major geopolitical intentions behind (such as the ones at Nazi Germany) and these outweigh those of the individual urban concerns, that's why I don't think we're gonna see a change any time soon. Sorry for the long comment!
@RodrigoColimodio
@RodrigoColimodio 3 года назад
As my professor of urbanism once told me. Those are extremely huge scale UP (urban protect) with so many variables that maybe planners, architects, investors and officials don't consider. However, it is not imposible to be sustainable and effective after the games. Barcelona 92 and London 2012 are fantastic examples of good planning. Taking into account the needs of the community and the infrastructure they repontenced the city through integrating the real needs of all actors in the community and projecting its proper functioning in the future.
@benlawrence309
@benlawrence309 6 лет назад
With Cape Town water crisis, wouldn't you think holding the Olympics would be risky, if the situation of drought was to get worse each year?
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
I wrote the script after I found out about the water crisis. You're right though, it could be a risky proposition now.
@benlawrence309
@benlawrence309 6 лет назад
How about the city of Nairobi, Kenya. That would be appropriate city to host the Olympics.
@HaveanIcedaymx
@HaveanIcedaymx 6 лет назад
Great idea! It's a shame that the Olympic venues get such neglect. Even though the ones in Mexico brought a lot of problems, all the venues are still in use, and it did help make the city better connected with roads. So I guess there are ways to plan ahead for usage, maybe? Also, if all the countries are participating, shouldn't all chip in a bit instead of leaving the host city cover all of the expenses? Shouldn't there be some kind of international fund to help hosts? Just wondering...
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
I think the IOC should probably be that fund.
@izdatsumcp
@izdatsumcp 4 года назад
Neglect? Yikes. You make it seem like the problem is uncaring government and not the hosting of the Games itself.
@icannotfly
@icannotfly 6 лет назад
idk man, i just like the charm that comes from getting to know a new area every 2 years too much to go along with just one city per continent.
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
It's one of my favorite parts of the Olympics too.
@icannotfly
@icannotfly 6 лет назад
one city per season per continent? that's a 24-year cycle, plenty of time for each city to grow and change dramatically.
@pmackie123
@pmackie123 6 лет назад
It's not a 24 year cycle, the olympics take place every 2 years
@vaiyt
@vaiyt 6 лет назад
icannotfly the WC isn't doing any better to the host countries. The problem is how corrupt and greedy the organizers are.
@TheNowhereTrip
@TheNowhereTrip 4 года назад
« I don’t care if it doesn’t benefit the people, I wanna see a new country each time»
@happytobehere200
@happytobehere200 6 лет назад
Love the thought and research you put into this video. Well done!
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
Thanks!
@feynstein1004
@feynstein1004 6 лет назад
I think I have another solution for this that would allow any city/country to host the Olympics. Instead of hosting just one Olympic event, why not host 3 consecutive ones? This way, the city/country can use its Olympic infrastructure for 12 years and we can plug that into the design life of the infrastructure and make it profitable. I know 12 years is much lower than the typical design life for well, any engineering project but we can still manage it. This would provide a kind of stability to the events (no need for cities/countries to outbid each other or construct new infrastructure every event) and allow them to occur more frequently (every 3 or even 2 years). The increased frequency would make the event even more profitable. And after 12 years, simply pick another country at random and let them host the events for the next 12 years. I think this system would be much more efficient and profitable than the one we have today while still being fair to the countries. Same goes for the World Cup.
@sion8
@sion8 6 лет назад
When a government bids to host the World Cup is actually the whole country that plays as host not just one city!
@sion8
@sion8 6 лет назад
+LagiNaLangAko23 Is it Indonesia? I heard that ASEAN wants to bid for an upcoming World Cup, I don't know which one, but that's what I heard a few years ago.
@dolphinsfan31
@dolphinsfan31 6 лет назад
sion8 Maybe Singapore can bid for the 2026 or 2030 FIFA World Cup.
@sion8
@sion8 6 лет назад
+Hudaman Singapore and Indonesia have said they'll only do it if all of ASEAN bids as one. However, Singapore wanted it for 2030 (they can't because of a whole continent is excluded for two consecutive bids, once one of its countries are chosen) while Indonesia said it should probably be 2034. However, the earliest year to start bidding for any new World Cups will be 2022.
@feynstein1004
@feynstein1004 6 лет назад
+sion8 I know but the same problem with the Olympics exists in the World Cup too because the infrastructure is never reused and ends up being a huge economic drag for the country. That's what I wanted to solve.
@mirzaahmed6589
@mirzaahmed6589 6 лет назад
Los Angeles 1984 was profitable. They should be a permanent, North American Summer Games location.
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
And they're hosting again in 2028. I'm excited!
@diegoqr972
@diegoqr972 6 лет назад
Exactly! I think LA is a great option. Every time they organize the games, the city’s infrastructure improves. Can’t wait for 2028!
@ROBYNMARKOW
@ROBYNMARKOW 6 лет назад
Mirza Ahmed Agreed! Half the town left during them & there was barely any traffic as a result😉👍
@irthamepali
@irthamepali 6 лет назад
kek
@lanesmith2853
@lanesmith2853 5 лет назад
Mirza Ahmed or Atlanta it still has great infrastructure and venues.
@Coolsomeone234
@Coolsomeone234 6 лет назад
What about Wakanda? We can build a Starbucks while we are at it.
@Watcher413
@Watcher413 4 года назад
If wakanda is so amazing wouldn’t they already have a Starbucks?
@somberparty24
@somberparty24 6 лет назад
Isn't it winter in Australia when it's summer everywhere else? I wouldn't wanna be there in the cold competing in the summer Olympics
@LegendaryShots
@LegendaryShots 6 лет назад
Love your videos! I definitely think this is a perfect solution to a clear problem.
@KC-UT4rmAZ
@KC-UT4rmAZ 4 года назад
Make Athens the permanent summer host. As the Olympics originated there. Rotate the winter games between a few cities. But in the end someone will always be unhappy.
@TorstenAdair
@TorstenAdair 5 лет назад
So, the "Summer Olympics" would occur during the winter months south of the Equator?
@greenhornet8262
@greenhornet8262 6 лет назад
I think the reason why host cities go down and lose money is because they choose to built brand new facilities when they can use natural structures. I looked at a documentary about the Rome 1960 games and they held events in ancient ruins. All that was need to be built was benches for the audience for most of the events.
@andrewsylvia7774
@andrewsylvia7774 6 лет назад
Rio could barely host the Olympics in 2016.
@crono7772
@crono7772 6 лет назад
Do you mind creating a video about the affects of city adapting to Amazon? It would be great to see how the bidding for it can be detrimental especially considering how is going in the automation direction.
@T3NI
@T3NI 4 года назад
London is good because already has the infrastructure
@srfurley
@srfurley 2 года назад
Several of the London venues no longer exist, or have seen major changes to convert them for other uses and could no longer be used. This applies both to venues built for 2012 and to existing ones which were used. The main stadium has seen major changes to convert it for use by one of London’s major football teams, and the aquatics centre has been much reduced in size; neither could be used for a future Olympics, even if London were to host them again. Several venues in the main Olympic Park were only intended to be temporary and have gone. Of the existing venues which were used Earls Court, built in 1937 and mainly used as an exhibition venue, has been demolished, including the much more recently built Earls Court 2 next to it. Very little remains of either of the previous London Olympic sites, white City (1908) or Wembley (1948). Cycling in 1948 was at Herne Hill, and I think that still exists, but was considered to be at risk some years ago. London would pretty much have to start again. Stratford had a large area of largely disused land, some of it previously in railway use, some used by other industries, and some old sporting facilities, but relatively little had to me moved to make way for the games; it would be difficult to think of any suitable site which would be available in London today, let alone in maybe fifty years time. There is derelict land available elsewhere in the country, ex steelworks sites on Teesside for example which I think are still there, but like Stratford much cleaning up would be needed at high cost and transport infrastructure is poor; upgrading them would be expensive. The cost of hosting the Olympics seems to be totally out of proportion for about a month of sport, including the Paralympics. I have to be honest here, and say that I have absolutely no interest in sport, but I feel that the Games have simply become too large and too expensive.
@ryanfazal5551
@ryanfazal5551 4 года назад
Los Angeles is expanding light rail because of 2028 Olympics and I’m excited to be able to use it afterwards
@christopherhiggins2350
@christopherhiggins2350 2 года назад
Same here! And it's more like they are just speeding up the timeline because of the Olympics. Thankfully.
@Lalechugadeldia
@Lalechugadeldia 4 года назад
The students in Mexico in 1968 were not just protesting against the Olympic Games, but against the whole political situation in Mexico (poverty, inequality, corruption). The hosting of the Olympic Games was just a small factor that drove this students.
@henryderymacneil1707
@henryderymacneil1707 6 лет назад
I am from Montreal and people still say it was a huge waste of money to host the Olympics.
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
Yeah, Montreal went WAY over budget.
@anne12876
@anne12876 3 года назад
@@CityBeautiful The history behind the high costs of the Montreal Olympic stadium can boil down to these points: A mayor who wanted a French architect who didn't know Montreal weather, new techniques never used before by workers (prestressed concrete structure), higher steel price (1200$/ton in 1975 instead of 200$/ton in 1972), the redesign of the seismic plans after the discovery of unstable soils, a 6 months worker strike, but mainly corruption and work site mismanagement. It's known that contractors were paid 2-3 times for the same load of concrete. I live next to the Stadium and I like what they are doing to revitalize it. Usually, they host outdoor events on the terrasses. They added outdoor sport installations like rock climbing boulders, a huge skate park, tennis courts, a running track and outdoor gym installations. They completely renovated the indoor gyms and pools to meet newer olympic standards and they added an indoor rock climbing centre. they converted the inside of the tower into office space. Now, they need to find a solution to the roof who keeps breaking. I believe Montreal is learning from its mistakes because the city has decided to decline the proposition to host matches for the 2026 World Cup.
@BabsW
@BabsW 4 года назад
Hosting the Winter Olympics doesn't really make sense to me. How often does it generate enough profit?
@erikdalesio5862
@erikdalesio5862 6 лет назад
I really like what you’re doing with you’re channel 😄. Can you do something on green belts?
@DayInMontreal
@DayInMontreal 3 года назад
I was patiently waiting to hear about Montréal Olympic Stadium lol, it had to be mentioned lol!
@f1scherman
@f1scherman 6 лет назад
Salt Lake City is a good choice: a good chunk of the infrastructure is still in use, and if they need to built it quickly, reference the Utah State Motto. (and why not we're also known for the greatest snow on earth)
@LordDavid04
@LordDavid04 3 года назад
The Greatest Show on Earth is Calgary and they don't want to host it again. It's Ski jumps and sliding track are slowly becoming abandoned and close to demolition.
@pyrotechnic96
@pyrotechnic96 6 лет назад
Why not just spread out the Olympics? Instead of having to put the entire games in one city they could put different events across the globe where facilities already exist without significant development.
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
Yeah, I like that idea too.
@marlonmoncrieffe0728
@marlonmoncrieffe0728 6 лет назад
Pyrotechnic Permanently? I suggested the same idea too but with rotating cities that bid on one sport each.
@route2070
@route2070 6 лет назад
With the current set up, IOC reps need to be fine with current buildings to host. Pick a time where students are on break and use their dorms for the Olympic village. Use professional and (at least in the US) collegiate facilities for events, and that alone should knock off half the venues, especially for indoor summer events, and to a lesser extent indoor winter venues. That cuts back on costs, eventual decay, and questions on location. Plus these places probably already have the ground work for parking and public transit.
@saltyroe3179
@saltyroe3179 3 года назад
As part of the Olympic family having worked on 2 Olympics (including the last one to make a profit) you are missing why the Olympics loose money and are a burden to the host. 1st the local organizing committee is usually run by someone who is politically savvy but has no clue how to run this kind of business. Peter Ueberroth was the exception not only being brutally in control but practically inventing selling naming rights. He also got concessions from the IOC so he kept the money instead of sending it to the IOC. As to not having bidding it would solve the infrastructure problem but no one would agree on the locations. The only reasonable choice would be to put the summer games in Athens. The IOC would run the games directly so there isn't two layers of management (no LOC). The alternative is the bidding system, but the IOC only gets money if the LOC has a surplus. LOC must have a plan that does not burden taxpayers.
@LuckyK7777
@LuckyK7777 5 лет назад
Ya OK....Is there a logical reason Los Angeles wasn' t mentioned at all in this video???
@TheFamousMockingbird
@TheFamousMockingbird 4 года назад
Bec he delegated north america, Europe and Asia to be winter host, LA is hosting summer
@aliensinnoh1
@aliensinnoh1 3 года назад
@@TheFamousMockingbird Also he wanted to avoid the US, Russia, and China to avoid great power dynamics.
@blancavelasquez9859
@blancavelasquez9859 3 года назад
@@aliensinnoh1 okay just because it might hurt their feelings a great city like LA can’t be included even tho it has all the infrastructure, hotels, stadiums, clout etc and will actually turn in a profit unlike most cities...
@EmiMac20
@EmiMac20 6 лет назад
But what if someone in a committee has a temper tantrum and goes “but I wanna host the Summer Olympics in Florida” or “but I wanna host the Winter Olympics in New Zealand”? It’s not fair to have only 6 cities rotate as hosts and have them only host the Summer or Winter Olympic games depending on which hemisphere they’re located at. Variety is key in picking a city to host the games. Keeping it fresh and new is what makes it a big, special deal. And if a city doesn’t match the season (like Sochi didn’t; no offense) or can’t handle maintaining the facilities after the games are over, then they shouldn’t even bother to bid and try to get nominated in the first place.
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
And yet Sochi got picked anyway. The current bidding process is a mess, and any reform (this one or another idea) would be better.
@EmiMac20
@EmiMac20 6 лет назад
City Beautiful I agree that there needs to be change. Heck, it wouldn’t hurt the International Olympics Committee to write up a sustainability clause if they haven’t already...
@gooseegg3439
@gooseegg3439 2 года назад
I believe there are three types of Olympic hosts that would make the games sustainable and give a positive legacy: 1) Have the games be hosted by a previous host city such as LA, London, Paris and Sydney for summer games and Vancouver, Calgary, Salt Lake City and Turin for winter games who had successful impacts hosting and still have the venues needed. 2) Have the games hosted by a new host that has all the infrastructure and at least 80% of the permanent venues needed to host. Cities like Toronto, New York, Chicago, Madrid, and Brisbane have all or most of the venues needed and have permanent tenants. 3) Have the games co-hosted by multiple cities in the same country or a whole country similar to the world cup of soccer. For example, Toronto and Montreal co-hosting the summer games and Calgary and Edmonton (it can be named Alberta 20??) hosting the winter. I remember here in Canada it felt like the whole country was hosting the Vancouver 2010 winter games with all the buzz and there's normally a lot of federal funding that goes into it anyways. By the looks of the current choices by the IOC for future hosts it seems like their going in that direction. Hopefully these hosts will be successful and profitable which will bring back the magic and excitement that the Olympic games use to have.
@emmacat3202
@emmacat3202 6 лет назад
Why not build temporairy structures that can be easily taken down, and are less expensive?
@alquinn8576
@alquinn8576 5 лет назад
stadiums made of legos!
@aodhganmerrimac
@aodhganmerrimac 3 года назад
You still need land & infrastructure that displaces people.
@emmacat3202
@emmacat3202 3 года назад
@@aodhganmerrimac not all the time. Why not find land where no one lives?
@aodhganmerrimac
@aodhganmerrimac 3 года назад
@@emmacat3202 Well you need to be near something, you can't just build in the middle on nowhere, people need to be able to get there easily. You'd have to build roads/rail lines to get people there. Then also you may be displacing nature-destroying habitats. Even the roads/rails could interfere with nature, interfering with migrations/hunting &c. There are consequences no matter what. I don't think the Olympics in their present conceptualization are worth it. It's horribly wasteful to build entire new mini-cities every four years for a one time event.
@emmacat3202
@emmacat3202 3 года назад
@@aodhganmerrimac it is stupid. I wish they'd just reuse abandoned buildings
@peterdumpel5729
@peterdumpel5729 3 года назад
6:38 when did Austria adopt the Dutch flag?
@powershin12
@powershin12 6 лет назад
I'm quite surprised that you mentioned PyeongChang as permanent host. Yes, I agree PyeongChang is quite compact and easy to be there, but there's problem of transportation(2018 winter Olympic is in the middle of Korean New Year's Day, which is huge matter) and price.
@euqy
@euqy 6 лет назад
Hi! I`m Your subscriber from Poland. One of the biggest events we hosted there was Euro 2012 (luckily shared with Ukraine). Like any other international sports events, this one left the country with expensive stadiums that can barely pay for current repairs. It is hard to count return on those huge investments but after few year no one is convinced that this was a really good idea after all. So when next year politicians tried to apply for hosting winter Olympics in Cracow local citizens voted NO on the referendum. It is sad to see how much costs those events especially when is needed to take in considering the current economic situation in some of hosting countries... I think that Olympic movement went the wrong direction at least two decades ago. So there is a deep need for changes and I like Your idea of fixing it!
@stenbak88
@stenbak88 6 лет назад
The rio games was nothing but problems why would they ever get another Olympics
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
They may have an incentive to iron out problems if they were hosting multiple games.
@stenbak88
@stenbak88 6 лет назад
City Beautiful hopefully but they would have to put billions more into infrastructure to truly connect most of their stadiums located in remote towns that many had the materials boated in bc there were and are no roads to them. I also have huge concerns about their extremely contaminated water ways and bays not to mention the most important water the drinking water. It is ok to tell some countries and even continents NO until they upgrade their own stuff for their own good then the games can come in to add rather than unrealistically creating a first world out of a third world one over night
@benowen9630
@benowen9630 6 лет назад
As always, brilliant video. Keep at it.
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
Thanks man!
@preettygoood7774
@preettygoood7774 5 лет назад
Each continent is enormous, and billions of people that live in potential host cities would never get an opportunity to see games that they otherwise would. Alexandria and Cape Town, for example, might as well be on the other side of the planet from each other for all travel related intents and purposes.
@TheHaas123
@TheHaas123 Год назад
i think a better idea would be to do it more similarly to the FIFA World Cup, in which instead of having a host city, you have a host COUNTRY, you have different cities throughout the country hosting different events, which would not only split the costs between various cities, but also spread out the benefits to multiple cities. looking at the united states for example, you could have part of it in Los Angeles, some in Dallas, some in Miami, some in Seattle, some in Chicago, and some in New York, having one in the biggest metropolitan area of each region of the country
@regular_max9190
@regular_max9190 6 лет назад
The money spent on the Olympics by cities and countries should be spent on helping the impoverished and homeless or just building the transportation, infrastructure and fixing existing infrastructure anyway
@marlonmoncrieffe0728
@marlonmoncrieffe0728 6 лет назад
regular_max The homeless get plenty of money. Those street beggars are either just mentally ill, are young folks romanticizing a hobo lifestyle, or are gritters. P.S. I am a native and resident of New York City.
@MTmerm
@MTmerm 6 лет назад
So we shouldn't be helping mentally ill people?
@marlonmoncrieffe0728
@marlonmoncrieffe0728 6 лет назад
MTmerm Yes, we SHOULD be helping the mentally ill BUT regardless of their housing needs.
@davidzip873
@davidzip873 6 лет назад
London used a good idea - temporary buildings. With events televised in HD and soon 4K why the need for so much seating? The track makes the stadium venue difficult for professional sports to use. I like the idea of permanent cities. Some summer events can be moved to the winter games (like basketball and swimming) to make those games interesting to areas of the world that don't have winter sports.
@ammanerz
@ammanerz 6 лет назад
i think extending the length of the games could also help. then fewer facilities could be used, hosting multiple events given an extended turnaround time. also i don't think permanent sites would fly politically, but semi permanent sites might. Like hosting 2 games in a row. It would be ideal if a city could host both summer and winter back to back, to minimize the lag time between facility uses, and not delay the demolition or renovation of olympic sites for better use. Also is it technically feasible to build modular facilities that could just be shipped and reused in future olympics?
@dstblj5222
@dstblj5222 6 лет назад
not a huge amount of the infrastructure can be reused between winter and summer games
@iidkwhatnameuse
@iidkwhatnameuse 6 лет назад
how do you only have 41k subs ? you deserve so many more
@jonathannelson1449
@jonathannelson1449 6 лет назад
I think there might be an Architectural solution to this that doesn't necessarily involve limiting the game to specific sites. There are great opportunities to use urban planning wisely to ensure that the athletic facilities are in central locations where they will have use after the games. Build up transit infrastructure to the games... decentralize the park into multiple campuses....Design for a second life....There are precedents for this. So much of the city of Paris is a result of the 1889 Exposition Universelle. Granted, those were exhibition halls and not stadiums, but they have been swallowed up by the urban fabric and are now indistinguishable from the many other museums and galleries in the cities. You also give the example of Barcelona. That is a similar success story. A more radical solution would be to design temporary stadiums as they are: temporary. So much of architecture is built with a misunderstanding of a building's life cycle, what kind of materials and construction are appropriate for the life cycle, and what happens to the materials afterwards. What if the stadiums are designed to only live for 1 year, then are completely destroyed? There is also precedent for this, the 1893 Chicago Columbia Exhibition. The exhibition planners knew the buildings were temporary, and built them practically as skeletons, with cheap plaster facades. They were beautiful, but so barebones that by the time the fair was over, they burned the complex to the ground, and dumped the ashes in Lake Michigan. Today, that site is Jackson Park. What if stadium parks were built knowing they were to be demolished in a year? Would designers use recyclable materials? Could they set up an economy to salvage and sell all the leftover steel, wood and glass? Could it be built from modular parts that could be directly rebuilt into housing or commercial projects on the site?
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
Yes, London in particular tried to use the modular approach to venues and stadiums, with some success, I think. If the IOC kicked in more money and really vetted the city's infrastructure and venue plan for reusability, it could be feasible for new cities to keep doing it. Unfortunately, the IOC cares about other things like ratings, prestige, etc. and doesn't always choose the city with the most sustainable bid.
@jonathannelson1449
@jonathannelson1449 6 лет назад
Agreed. In an ideal world, the IOC and cities would plan for the future. But with politics and large amounts of money involved, its unlikely to see changes unless people demand it. Which is why it's important people realize this is a problem... so thank you by the way for the video. Great channel, you're doing fantastic work.
@YouFightLikeACow
@YouFightLikeACow 6 лет назад
Cool video!
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
Thanks!
@Amish_Trivedi
@Amish_Trivedi 4 года назад
They had a train running from Atlanta to Athens, GA during the Olympics, which they shut down pretty quickly after. The number of times I was stuck in traffic trying to get back to UGA thinking about that train cannot be counted.
@joeyd4364
@joeyd4364 3 года назад
The best solution for the Olympic host city debate is to have 8 cities ( 4 summer and 4 winter) to host the Olympics on a 16 year rotating basis. My 4 summer picks; Sydney, Tokyo, Los Angeles, and London. Winter picks: Lillehammer, St. Moritz, Pyeongchang, and Salt Lake City.
@BlockBKanal
@BlockBKanal 6 лет назад
You inspired me to study city planning! Love your channel! Keep up your great work! 😊 Ps. Not only city beautiful, but you also really beautiful 😋
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
Wow, thanks!! Glad you're pursuing this very rewarding field.
6 лет назад
I would like to start by saying I really like this channel. But I don't agree with your suggestion of having only 6 cities as hosts. I think that the whole idea of the olympics is that it is a global event, in more ways than just the competitor lineup. If only a few countries would get to host, the rest of the 190-ish cuntries would most likely start to loose interest in the whole thing rather quickly. I tink a much better solution would be to have the IOC host the games themselves, each time in a new city. They would work together with the chosen host cities to develop the needed infrastructure and the money would come from all the participating countries, pitching in to a collective pool of cash. The "participation-fee" could be based on the BNP of each participating country. And so it would become not just a global sports event but also a global investment and development scheme to permanently enrich one city at a time.
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
That solution could work. I think you still might have the problem of abandoned venues, but at least the city isn't left paying off the debt on them for years to come.
6 лет назад
City Beautiful yes the issue of abandoned venues would still be a problem. But with some planning ahead you could convert many of the venues after the games are over into more permanet installations. Such as schools, libraries, hospitals, officespace, congress centers, shopping complexes etc.
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
Yes, Vancouver has done an excellent job with converting venues into useful facilities post-games.
6 лет назад
City Beautiful yes, so I've heard :) cities like Vancouver and Barcelona could stand as rolemodels for future post game venue conversions. Thank you for the quick replies! Looking forward to your future videos! (Ps. If you ever plan on doing a video on city planning in Sweden/Scandinavia I'd like to offer my help as I work for a local city governement in Sweden.) Cheers!
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
I'd love to do a video there! Maybe once this channel grows some more I'll be able to afford the trip.
@brendanjohnson2833
@brendanjohnson2833 5 лет назад
No Summer Games in the northern hemisphere? Seeing as 90% of the world's population lives in the northern hemisphere I don't think that plan makes sense. Better would be 10 cities in total, with a 20 year full rotation (summer & winter games) around the cities, ensuring that each continent on the northern hemisphere gets a summer and winter games, while also having 2 host cities on the southern hemisphere. For example: 1) Calgary (Winter) 2) Los Angeles or Mexico City (Summer) 3) Turin (Winter) 4) Sydney (Summer) 5) Pyeongchang, Nagano or Sapporo (Winter) 6) Paris or London (Summer) 7) Beijing (Winter) 8) Rio De Janeiro or Cape Town (Summer) 9) Lillehammer (Winter) 10) Tokyo or Seoul (Summer)
@Dariovich
@Dariovich 6 лет назад
Thnks for talkin about the masacre de tlatelolco.
@IvanStamenkovicSeemsIndie
@IvanStamenkovicSeemsIndie 4 года назад
Sorry but one location MUST be Greece, without it this doesn't make any sense...
@LucasFernandez-fk8se
@LucasFernandez-fk8se 6 лет назад
But rio was a terrible host so why would we let them do it again? They had a green pool for god sakes
@maritimemisfits3360
@maritimemisfits3360 5 лет назад
Oh no water has algae in it like it does in every lake you swim in.. You haven't been to a beach eh?
@Grumbly-hk8hz
@Grumbly-hk8hz 5 лет назад
the water had sewage in it..... unfiltered sewage, there were many studies done on it, including several that deemed it over a million times worse than what would be legal in the US or similar countries, let alone usable for a sport. there was also a lot of theft and crime, higher than basically all other Olympics. rio wasnt a good host, and many citizens didnt even want it to host due to the costs.
@zeljosarajevic
@zeljosarajevic 3 года назад
I come from Sarajevo, and despite the war in 90's which destroyed most of the venues built for the 1984 Olympics, all of them were used prior to the war. It all had to do with urban planning. So Olympic village, where teams and press were stationed was built as a residential buildings with functioning apartments which were sold or given to the people to live there. People still live there. Skiing centers are still functional and they were built on mountains that surround Sarajevo, so you only need half an hour driving to get there. The ice skating hall was built as an extension for youth sports center and its designed in a way it can be used as a multifunctional hall. It's cost to maintain was not big one, couse it is "given" to the existing management of youth center. Unfortunately, it was destroyed during the war, but prior to it, it held venues such as fairs. The biggest hall was "Zetra", which was built again as a multifunctional hall. Speed skating polygon was given to a bike and go cart club, Nordic skiing polygon was given to a hospital so the can use it to treat patients with disabilities by means of horse riding or nature walking. Unfortunately, ski jumping, bob sleight and other minor venues are now destroyed, but if there weren't war, all of it would still functin as it did prior to 92. Maybe the best insight in this is the fact that all of these venues were scattered throughout the city, so if one of them fails, not all of them will.
@spiritzweispirit1st638
@spiritzweispirit1st638 4 года назад
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@imperatur
@imperatur 6 лет назад
I would say it’s not profitable enough to host the summer games in this places, the teams of this countrys arent even under the top 10 with their sports results
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
All the more reason to have them host -- build up their sports culture along with the infrastructure.
@luketrepp6716
@luketrepp6716 6 лет назад
i'd love to see toronto get one
@jeffreymyles38
@jeffreymyles38 2 года назад
I took an economics in sports class at uni and i remember that the olympics were always a disaster. The short term job market increases unemployment after the event and the new infrastructure (which is a requirement) largely goes unused (on top of displacement, which you mentioned). I think it was London who did the best financially after even tho they still lost money. Most major sports (nfl, nba, etc) are an economic disaster for the communities they are in as the money they make mostly leaves the area.
@notroll1279
@notroll1279 5 лет назад
It's a nice idea and you've given this some thought. However, I think the IOC is roughly as open to "individualized financial stimuli" as FIFA - so the actual decision doesn't really give much consideration to the hosts' or the participants' Wealth.
@AustinSersen
@AustinSersen 6 лет назад
I have full support for this plan, especially since you picked Calgary as a semi-permanent host city!
@TheLiamster
@TheLiamster 4 года назад
They should just pick a host country rather than a host city. Also Los Angeles should host the summer olympics as it has the necessary infrastructure already in place.
@yorktown99
@yorktown99 6 лет назад
Oslo withdrew its bid after the IOC issued a book outlining the requirements for the host city. The requirements were not just expensive, some were downright stupid (including but not limited to providing free luxury accommodations for IOC members).
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
Yeah, I hope the IOC has learned from that mistake.
@darthutah6649
@darthutah6649 6 лет назад
For the Rio olympics, I heard that in order to build the campus of the olympics area, the local government evicted a bunch of low income individuals. Then, when the athletes actually showed up, the government erected barriers along the highways when it was in low income areas. The official reason was that it would tone down noise. However, it didn't hide a school so it's very probable that the local government was just sweeping these people under the rug. When the olympics were over, the structures were basically lifeless.
@hbreaker3698
@hbreaker3698 6 лет назад
Representin' the 403
@marlonmoncrieffe0728
@marlonmoncrieffe0728 6 лет назад
I like your idea but I think an even better one is the one suggested by a guest on a CNN show back in 2016 during the Rio Olympics. Instead of a city bidding for the WHOLE games, a city bids for a SPORT (and their associated disciplines)-and ONE sport alone. For example, say, Moscow, successfully bids for the sport of wrestling, so then all freestyle and Greco-Roman events are held in that city alone. Or, as another example, Los Angeles, successfully bids for gymnastics, they would then host all the artistic and rhythmic gymnastics and (...ugh...) trampoline events. And so on and so forth. I think you get it. The opening and closing ceremonies-at least for the summer games-can be permanently held in Athens, Greece. Maybe good ole neutral Switzerland can have one of their cities permanently host the opening and closing ceremonies for the winter games?
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
That could be, but then what's the difference from the World Championships most sports host annually anyway? I think there is something to having different sports co-mingling. But are you suggesting that all the sports would happen in the same two weeks, just in different cities? So the broadcast would be cutting from city to city, but otherwise much the same to the viewer?
@marlonmoncrieffe0728
@marlonmoncrieffe0728 6 лет назад
City Beautiful I suppose there is no practical difference from a world championship tournament now that you mention it but the Olympic prestige alone (with the bonus of having more countries compete) would make people forget about that. And yes, the games could be televised the same but across the globe rather than across a city.
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
That could work!
@allisondoak9425
@allisondoak9425 6 лет назад
City Beautiful it’d certainly mean you’d get a wider range of cities compete too. In my city we will never be able to host a major multi-sport games but we did consider a bid for the America’s cup race and we might consider event specific bids when we would be competing for that higher level of prestige. The olympics would be truely global.
@jaimeogas
@jaimeogas 6 лет назад
This could mean Milwaukee could host speed skating, as we have the venue for it here. There would be no other way Milwaukee could host a Winter Olympics, as there are no mountains nearby.
@lucaspiresribeiro4293
@lucaspiresribeiro4293 3 года назад
I'm from Brazil. In the late 2000s we were picked to host the world cup in 2014 and the olympics in 2016. Many were happy, but many also said this was too much a burden to a developing nation. However people mostly thought economic growth would be enough to pay for it. In the early 2010s, however, the economy lost steam because of global stagnation and bad economic policy, billions that could have been used to build essential infrastructure were spent for hosting these games. As it's natural in an underdeveloped country, a lot was sucked by corruption. My country ended up having a deep recession in 2015-2016. Hosting both games did had a negative impact, though I'm not saying it was the main cause. But it was just too much for us. If developing nations are to host them, they should receive financial support.
@cosmoluc
@cosmoluc 6 лет назад
Why didn't you upload this earlier? I did a presentation on this several weeks ago, and nobody agreed to my solution, one summer, and one permanent winter olympic host, so I didn't get a debate off the ground. If I had proposed this, my mark would have probably been higher. Great video, though.
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
Sorry about the timing, but glad we're thinking the same things.
@marcrugani326
@marcrugani326 6 лет назад
On the merits of the video: Good geopolitical, balanced attention to sites; attention to infrastructure that exists; research on history and future challenges with climate change. Fine assessment. My personal bias: I like these games more! On the demerits of the video: Vast disparity in participation and revenue from summer (high) v. winter (low) Olympic games. To restrict countries with temperate climates to host winter Olympics when they might also host the more widely attended and lucrative is, perhaps unfair. I would posit that the global north, as an aggregate has more wealth, and could use this as an opportunity to share with the developing world, but I'm too much of a realist to believe in political benevolence. Also, how does one work with history and changing demographics, where a previous host city like Mexico or a new rising city, like Mumbai, might be excluded. The IOC is flawed, but a "permanent" rotation at this point is not a solution.
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
Good points! Perhaps these cities could all sign a "three Olympics deal" and after they host three times the host cities change? That way the IOC can reevaluate the world's cities in 30-40 years and make changes that could include a Mumbai or Mexico City. The cities still get to use the facilities three times, so even if they go abandoned after that they still saw some good use.
@marlonmoncrieffe0728
@marlonmoncrieffe0728 6 лет назад
Marc Rugani (scoffs) The 'global north' has shared enough with developing nations. I do agree that permanent host cities (but NOT continents) are too limiting.
@dt7353
@dt7353 6 лет назад
Marc Rugani do you not have any idea the hundreds of billion of dollars and pounds and Euros sent to Africa and South America in aid? The North has been more than generous to the point that we are actually harming African development by undercutting local industry.
@marcrugani326
@marcrugani326 6 лет назад
Doug, I am aware of the aggregate figures of the aid sent. That's a different point than the Olympic movement and the ideal of highlighting "emerging" countries. Having lived in two Central American countries, working for over two years as a volunteer in private U.S. development projects, I recognize that the undercutting of the industry occurs on a day-to-day basis without the spotlight on any of the treasures of the cultural patrimony of those locations. Your point about the undercutting of industry in locations, like those where I've lived, is well-taken. When bidding for the Olympics occurs, it is the aristocrats and the political elites that determine the viability and the goals of the Games. At the same time, I remain, maybe too optimistically, committed to the values of the spirit of the video and the Olympic movement to highlight different countries and cultures, recognizing the agency, self-determination, and international citizenship of the host nations and their constituents.
@DuncanJMcMillan
@DuncanJMcMillan 6 лет назад
Calgary is the best city :D
@covfefe1787
@covfefe1787 6 лет назад
nope Chicago is
@judgedredd8657
@judgedredd8657 6 лет назад
haha you both suck, Edmonton for the win
@covfefe1787
@covfefe1787 6 лет назад
Judge Dredd what does Edmonton have better than the Windy City we got a diverse community from all over the BLACKHAWKS have won the Stanley cup twice in 2 years we have a iconic lakeshore we have 4 sports teams and are Summers are extremely hot and from time to time mild winters from 30-40 Fahrenheit this year it’s been quite cold but still a way better city with more history than Edmonton would ever have
@SeanRPS
@SeanRPS 6 лет назад
agreed, as a resident of sk regina it would be perfect
@sonaldo7690
@sonaldo7690 6 лет назад
Edmonton > calgary
@Game_Hero
@Game_Hero 3 года назад
I quite disagree with the idea of permanent sites, they retire all the charm of the Olympics. I also disagree with the idea that Athens, Greece should host all games as this could be quite a financial burden for the fragilized economy of Greece (not to wonder where all the snow would be for the Winter Games). But I never complain without offering solutions so here they are : -All cities/sites wishing to host any OIympic (Summer, Winter, Youth Olympics as to not forget them) must have at least 75% of needed infrastructure already in place for at least 5 years before the bidding with proof that they are actively used (so that if such sites are popular even before the games, they'll stay popular after them instead of being abandonned). -The new infrastructures that are to built must have a guaranteed post-game owner before they are even built (and a list of at least 2 backup owners in case plan A goes bankrupt or isn't interested anymore). Else the bidding cannot be accepted. A plan to demolish them in order to 100% recycle the materials used in the buildings for other purposes can work too. -All infrastructures must have a carbon-neutral footprint in their electricity demand. -A budget for an olympic must not go past 10 billions dollars at the risk of receiving a ban for hosting future international sport competitions of any kind in the next 40 years. This will incentivize those in charges of the games to be more efficient and to do more with less as well as actually reserve a part of their attributed budget to fix unpredicted problems. -No Low-income neighbourhood can be authorized to be destroyed to host the games, including for the construction of their transport infrastructures. Else, the bidding is automatically refused even if the city is part of the final nominees. -Extra transparency measures to be adopted in regard of those in charge of evaluating the bidding sites and voting on the final sites. In other words the entire IOC, everyone under their employment who are related in any regard to the attribution or organization of any Olympics must reveal publically, for everyone to access, their tax returns for the past 4 years prior to the games and two years after each of them. The entire budget and spendings (and for what and to whom they are spending on) of IOC-related sub-organizations, members and groups working with them must be publically shown as well. This is all to restore public trust in the neutrality and transparency of the IOC in regard to the decision-making of a host site. As sites with a greater good will from organizers, public support and overall better management often get sidetracked by sites with better gifts to give to the IOC members to put it lightly. All that comes in and all that comes out must be known by the public, by signing to be associated with the IOC it is already part of your contract to put the high ideals of international sports and cooperation over your wallet and privacy out of good will towards what the people expects of you. There, voila, my solutions to the Olympics. Nice try however City Beautiful.
@AsellusPrimus
@AsellusPrimus 6 лет назад
I live in Vancouver, I've never cared about the Olympics and I didn't attend when they were here. On the surface I think it had a positive effect. I think a lot of people here gained a new perspective on our own home because we had eyes on us and we got an outsider's perspective on how beautiful it is here. It strengthened my identification with the city as my place on the planet. It felt like the local governments became more conscious of the look and feel of public spaces afterward, especially because our tourism seemed to go up after that (tourists obviously bringing positives and negatives). The Canada Line was definitely NOT an abandoned Olympics investment, in fact they grossly underestimated how many people would use it after that. BUT I won't be able to say the long-term impact was good unless our government reigns in on the ludicrous housing market which is forcing my generation to either live on a precarious budget in make-shift living arrangements or leave the city altogether. I don't want to be evicted from my own city just as the Olympics helped me to feel more connected to it.
@floriswafel
@floriswafel 6 лет назад
Scale the Olympic games down. Less sports (only the most polular). This means less aditional facilities.
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 6 лет назад
That could be a good idea. Many (if not all) of these sports already have "World Championships" separate from the Olympics anyway.
@marlonmoncrieffe0728
@marlonmoncrieffe0728 6 лет назад
Floris Hellebrekers Yeah, there should be less sports but these are all good suggestions to avoid white elephant syndrome.
@SvenAlbertPedersen
@SvenAlbertPedersen 6 лет назад
Get rid of those, that have world championships? So get rid of the Summer Olympics as a whole? Almost every sport there has its championships over the years. The Olympics live from bringing sports of every kind into focus at least every four years. The effect of sb. young watching an event and finding it good to want to perform it, should not be left out of sight.
@dt7353
@dt7353 6 лет назад
Floris Hellebrekers true. Love watching sports like rafting in the Olympics but like shown in this video the venues rarely get used after the games making it a waste.
@Chrischi4598
@Chrischi4598 6 лет назад
The thing about the olympics is that especially those sports who aren't that popular get a fair part of recognition
@JakeRoot
@JakeRoot 6 лет назад
I might go with Sapporo over Pyeongchang. I seem to recall snowfall issues in the latter, whereas the former regularly receives boatloads of snow every winter without issue.
@sjquakes13
@sjquakes13 4 года назад
Officially Cape Town did not host the World Cup. It was South Africa. Because the World Cup is awarded to a country not a city. That’s a good question to explore. What do Olympics are awarded to city and World Cup Countries?
@allisondoak9425
@allisondoak9425 6 лет назад
No olympics in Greece? I think it would be fair given the extra value of the summer games to give the northern hemisphere a summer games. I live in New Zealand so an Australian games would mean that it was more accessible for me but given that Australia and it’s surrounding neighbours outside of Asia lack population density and numbers it would be better to consider Asia Pacific as a region rather than splitting it in two along population lines. To this end it might be more valuable to give India a Summer games or to consider a second games for Europe/Northern Africa. Further to that consider that an event every 12 years is probably still not going to allow enough net benefit to justify the effort to maintain the required infrastructure. Look at the cost of the NFL to American cities. It may be useful to Vaticanise an Olympic city (perhaps a brand new city) and allow different countries the ability to host there. Either that or arrange for other events to essentially follow around the olympics to use some of those facilities. Especially events that might be of interest to people who might be likely to be less enthused about the olympics.
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