Excellent attention to detail by the cameraman. No matter what was happening on the ground, he remained focused on showing us the lovely clouds floating by overhead. As for those complaining about the sound going out, clearly the sound's not needed since the clouds are the focus of this video.
I'm a paid AND volunteer firefighter / EMT here in the US. What I saw was a great stop to a quickly growing fire that looks like it got into the shared attic space. The engine arrives, the crew donned their BA and went to work! To answer the 'water jet' comment, I agree that a 'deck gun' would have been nice to knock the majority of the fire down on arrival, but that comes with a price. It uses almost all of your on board water forcing your crew to lay a supply, which takes time. Sometimes it's better to work with what you brought, like these guys did. I also noticed the water conservation with a few well placed bursts where and when needed, not the steady stream we tend to use here in the US. I believe this minimizes further damage to property. Sometimes it's not just the fire and smoke that does all of the damage. I say 'GREAT JOB' to these firefighters! I love these UK fire vids. Much to learn from each other. It should start with not being jerks about it when they're doing the same job we are over here, and noticeably safer I might add. The comment about Southern Cal with multiple equipment is just bragging. Great if your dept can muster it, but don't knock these guys for getting the job done with 'one puny fire engine'
Well, I'm not taking ANYTHING away from these guys whatsoever. But I am obliged to ask you this. How do you feel about the absence of Aerial Ladder or a Platform on the scene of a fire in an occupied building? Do you think that is a good idea? In fact, what are your thoughts about the absence of the concept of Truck work in Europe? I don't understand who is tasked with forcible entry, venting, searching for victims and effecting their removal... as well as locating the fire and checking for avenues of fire extension to the floors above and/or to attached exposures. With no Truck, what happens when the nozzle team comes across unconscious victims? Do they ignore them & keep advancing the line to extinguish the rest of the fire and leave the victims there, or do they shut down and remove the victims? They can't do both. Also, regarding your comments about conserving your "on board water". I don't know of ANY municipal fire department that relies on booster water and doesn't hook up as a matter of routine. That's WHY there are hydrants. In NYC, for example, hydrants are spaced every 250 feet, and every Engine Co. is suppose to test & secure one as SOP. And lastly... AGAIN, these guys certainly put this fire out ( although I AM curious about any possible extension to the cockloft area)....but you say that they (UK F/F's in general) do the job much safer....but the question is.... for whom? That's no knock on them as firefighters, but I don't understand the European concept. Of course, undoubtedly approaches varies throughout Europe. I've seen about 20 videos of one European Fire Service on the Continent (the country shall remain nameless) and I only found 2 fires where they even went into the building. I'm sure that THEY stay safe! Perhaps you can enlighten me. Thanks.
azul8811 Well the constructions of houses are much different here in the UK than across the pond. So the structure fires here tend to be the contents of the house, and not as such in the USA where the actual structure of the house is on fire dude to dry wall and wooden frame construction. Also the fact that several appliance and and ALP where not on scene probably meant they where not need or on route and the standard house fire with persons reported will be a 2 or 3 pump response. However your roles in the USA of trucks and ladders are all combined into one here in the UK. The first BA team do a search and rescue whilst also fighting the fire, if a casualty is found they are obviously rescued saying that they would continue advancing the line is stupid. But here we can see fast effective work done by the crews, and sitting here seeing the fire from a screen and commenting about the performance is stupid we missed vital information and dude to no audio to so please don't go being a youtube firefighter! Thanks
Aled Jones I’m sorry, but I’m not sure why you felt I was denigrating anyone’s “performance” in this video. Quite the contrary, I stated, “I'm not taking ANYTHING away from these guys whatsoever”, indicating that I wasn’t questioning their skill or aggressiveness. I did, however, make inquiries directed to SCPLPONY concerning his statements. I wanted a clarification of his opinion regarding policy, tactics, and procedures. I was not critiquing this particular operation, per se. Now, regarding your comments. I don’t doubt that the building construction is different. Nonetheless, I would imagine that in the UK, and on the Continent, there still exists multi-family, non-fire proof dwellings, of brick and wood joist construction, (some with steel supporting members), with wooden stud walls, covered with plaster on top of wood lathe, having no sprinkler protection, with limited means of egress (possibly an unenclosed stair) that are 3 or 4 stories in height. Is that a safe assumption? Or am I way, way off base here? If similar buildings, in fact, do exist, I would certainly have a few questions in my mind concerning how one deals with various fire scenarios in such buildings. OR… let’s just take the building in this video with civilians reporting "smoke showing on the second floor," except let’s add a third story to it with the building fully occupied, and the fire occurs at 3:00 AM. Would you consider this be an adequate response? You state, “…of trucks and ladders are all combined into one here in the UK.” Well, I would submit that you can’t really can’t operate as a Ladder Company if you don’t have an aerial ladder or platform. In my above scenario, wouldn’t you want to ladder the top floor for access and egress? You also state, “…the structure fires here tend to be the contents of the house.” Was this 2 pump fire just a “contents” fire in your assessment? Do you imply that there can’t be a loss of life from a “contents” fire… say a mattress, sofa, or stuffed chair? Are most civilian fire fatalities a result of burns or are they from smoke inhalation? Can civilian fatalities occur in a flat other than the fire flat, or on a floor other than the fire floor? Of course they can. And who is tasked with searching for them? And are those search teams going to wait for the fire to be extinguished before they initiate their search, or is it conducted simultaneously? You’ve stated, “The first BA team do a search and rescue whilst also fighting the fire, if a casualty is found they are obviously rescued saying that they would continue advancing the line is stupid.” Well, yes, of course it is. And that was my point. If the victim (or victims) are to be immediately removed, exactly who is engaging in fire extinguishment during such an eventuality? What if it is a 2 line fire? And finally, let me say this. I don’t post comments criticizing firefighters. And though I did make reference to a European Fire Service, I purposely did not identify them and made the observation that they seemed to fight most fires from the outside. I was drawn to view videos of this unnamed country’s fire service operations only after reading negative comments posted by a number of their countrymen critiquing North American fire operations and I couldn’t understand their complaints. I now suspect that there is a philosophical difference in their approach to firefighting insofar as it applies to firefighter safety and civilian life rescue. I sincerely hope that you understand the spirit of my reply. I apologize if it didn’t come out sounding a bit more genteel, but I wanted to communicate clearly. And lastly, your guys did an outstanding job. I just think they are being shortchanged of equipment & manpower. If you take issue with any of my observations or comments, don't hesitate to let me know! Thank you.
azul8811 You are way off base as far as the UK is concerned, any home of multiple occupancy has to have upgraded fire protection for it to be allowed to be occupied, the fire regulations in the UK focus on ensuring that the risk to life is minimised rather than the risk to property. In a property with multiple occupants of 3 or more stories the 3rd story and above would need to have a 1 hours protected egress and possibly more than one, the 3rd floor would have to have an encapsulated fire retardation of 1 hour and so on, it is noticable when watching vids of domestic fires in america that the spread of the fires in virtually all of the vids I have watched is far quicker than in either UK or European properties.
Are you saying that in the case of a multiple occupancy dwelling, 3 or more stories, the interior stair would be required to be enclosed with a 1 hour rating (from the 3rd floor to the street) and that an open stairway is prohibited? Would a wire glass enclosure meet that requirement? I ask that for I have seen wire glass enclosed stairways in older hotels in the UK years ago. Are these code requirements retroactive? Unless it is concrete, how is the "public hall" leading from an occupancy to the means of egress "fire rated"? By what means are hallways "fire retarded"? What's the status of using engineered lumber to erect multi story multi-family dwellings in the UK? I had read an article in the NY Times a number of years ago. If I can find the link, I'll post it. Thanks for your imput, and feel free to address any of the other issues I've raised.
The fire brigade were brilliant...if you count the seconds, the first guys went inside just 65 seconds after they arrived with water hose already live....brilliant. The cameraman did his best. Im guessing focussing on that camera when everything is kicking off live is not so easy.
@@lewis93156 Fire engine arrives 4:15. Fire suppressed (only steam escaping from the building) by 9:15. Five minutes is good work. I suspect the fire was also being tackled from the rear at the same time as at one point a second fire engine is shown in the side road, as close to the rear as possible. Additional fire engines may still be on the way as Dover will only have two. London has the luxury of all stations being permanently manned. In Kent most crews are on-call firefighters who will take longer to respond to fire calls.
DAFUQ? This is the perfect video of WHAT NOT TO DO WHEN YOUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE! That silly fucker went back inside for his Bike, and flat screen television..... YOUR LIFE IS NOT WORTH THOSE MATERIALS. Never assume because the fire is upstairs you are safe to freely run in and out saving your shit, ANYTHING could have happened!
They dealt with this correctly, the only issue was not getting all the bystanders away from the blaze quick enough. The fire did have the potential to spread, but with the primary hose line doing the work it was contained.
Bazbusby- bad BA procedures also cost live. Commit your 2 man BA team without the two legally required 2 BA emergency men donned and ready; impossible with the one pump in attendance, and the OIC could find himself in court should anything go wrong. The first thing any OIC does is ask if everyone is accounted for. If there is someone involved then he has to ask himself if he's prepared to risk his men and his career. Health and Safety laws have put UK fire officers between a rock and a hard place. Less and less firefighters are opting for promotion because of it and some of those that do wouldn't normally even be considered but for this situation. The UK fire services were the best in the world, they still are as far as safety of personnel goes. There are just not enough personnel and there lies the crux of matter.
It's not modern, it's a typical 1930s - 1940s terraced house. Like the British 3-prong electric plug these houses are well designed with a double party wall that extends right into the roof void, separating each house from its neighbour. The roofs are slated and the walls are brick so fire doesn't rampage through like in American houses and a bit of wind doesn't pull the roof off.
Great stop guys, fighting the fire from inside pushing the smoke heat flames out was a great decision plus, seeing as that moron kept going inside, and that they did not know "all persons were accounted for" they made the conditions inside the compartment better for all inside.
Don't think the uk fire service needs pointers on how to deal with a house fire from across the pond. Just look at how many firefighters you loose in the line of service every year.
Hell, we sure don't fight fires from the outside, especially when there's actually something worth saving. And we sure as hell arrive a lot sooner than later. That just sucked.
***** Are you just plain ignorant, a troll or perhaps a proby whose service number is still wet? Whatever the case you are speaking out of your ass. At the UK Fire Services College they showed us a video called 'Tunnel Vision'. A video an how to avoid killing yourself and your crew by showing what NOT to do. Guess where 99% of the incidents were in the film! :) Yup you've guessed it, the old US of A. In the UK have rigid safety procedures which make the UK the safest fire service in the world, yet accidents still happen but they should not be down to the OIC of the incident short-cutting safety procedures. You can keep your 'gung ho' attitude to firefighting; that's what sucks.
Steven Booth You seem to be knowledgeable regarding deaths in the fire service. In comparing the LOD death rates among various countries, do they categorize the causes, or do they just compare the raw data? And do they factor in the number of structural fires fought from the interior? Many thanks.
@@FAMUSOLDIER There are more cars on road in UK .So it will take longer .They have to get dressed and start the engine.Put hose on. Or cutting equipment if it's a cars crash.
When most of the streets were built in the UK, cars were not factored into the road width as they either didn’t exist or it was not expected that most people would own cars. Now most streets are are either single or double parked and leaves very little room for a fire engine
Fortunately these row houses are built with good fire walls between them. Even so there was enough potential for the fire spreading that additional engines that a heavier response should have been called ordered immediately upon the first engine's arrival. Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it!
There were people in that house I know the man who lives there and he lost everything! He had a friend stay and his friend was mentally I'll and fed up so one morning he got up and light the fire with a lighter... The man who owned the house was trapped but eventually got out. There were no indures and he is now ok !
society sucks now, if your house burns down people film it for entertainment. good job though I love seeing this guy drag his shit out, it makes me think he probably deserves it. love some of the creeper angles used in the camerawork too. its the little touches man.
+artifactingreality So you are telling me if a housr got burned and you was close to that house you would actually try to put the fire out yourself? or fucking go inside it to act like a hero then get fucking burned to death and get sent to hell? whats the better choice huh? dumbass
the guy pulling his stuff out lives in the downtstairs flat, the owners of the burnt flat, a couple with young children certainly didn't deserve this. you really need to think before you speak/comment...
Thats didi compared to the house across the road Well There were 3 men wearing all black Next to the garage door and they lit matches and the house went in flames I only saw them walking up the road then I Had a shower and there house was burning The house was right next to my friend.
@leerubybritvic1990 when the first time it caught fire the police didn't realise that there was a weed farm. The next day someone set it alight again yo destroyed it. He was arrest for arson tho
I still think there is a case to be answered for Fire Engine roof water cannons as on airport fire appliances,a lot of time seems to be wasted between fire service arriving and water being applied.
Getting water on the consumed area is not always the highest priority, crews need to get BA's on, IC would need to contact control for additional resources, Pump op may need to act as BA control, plus at the pressure airport cannons run at, the timbers in the house would be ripped apart, causing the whole structure to collapse, and if theres persons reported, then thats definitely not what you want to happen. Aerial units have them fitted, and can be used at larger fires, but house fires, 2 HP lines backed up once the RDS crews arrive with low pressure branch lines.
Yes I understand,it just looks sometimes as if there is wasted time on the arrival of the tenders,and the actual application of water,the pressure of an immediate water jet could surely be adjusted
Water application isn't always the 1st priority, don't get me wrong, its a great idea to have the jets, but it might now always be water thats needed, not so much with a house fire, but if you put water on a chemical fire, its going to make things a lot worse, and having the jet, could lead to careless application of water in haste, so sometimes its better to asses the situation first, before jumping in with h20. But yes i argee with having the jets fitted if only to certain appliances, but then again it all comes down to £££ at the end of the day, and those jets, plus a complete overhaul of a 14tonne truck wont come cheap.
I don't want to make out that I am turned-on by fire vidoes,but there often seems an unreasonable amount of time goes by before any water is applied,water cannons would not suit all fires,but the professional fire-fighters could make a choice.
+Don Cross the usual in the uk is 10-20 seconds to flow water from arriving. Whereas in the USA it seems you like to piss about dragging flat laid hose, untangling it, then starting water. Criticism works both ways.
Im really surprised how long it took before they even started to put water on it, where I live (close by this country) they would have start putting water on it and even be inside the house with hoses way under a minute, no kidding.
If it was arson attack it should be ten years he put other buildings and people homes and lives in serious danger and the damage to people homes could have been thousands of pounds worth of damage it's people belongings damaged wether its smoke damage of water damage it will take years to recover and replace items. Terrible these kind of people who do arson should never be able to rent or buy a property again put them in a caravan or hostel how can you trust an arsonist you cant
