Say what you will about this disaster. All failures aside. The fact that the reactors shut down successfully and there was no nuclear disaster is incredible. The reactor containments withstood the explosions and hitting the bottom of the ocean. Amazing.
The decision to use Hydrogen-Peroxide fuelled torpedos. These had been tried by other navies but cancelled because of safety issues. With Russian safety records this was a accident just waiting to happen. The other issue was Russian pride, they had nothing to rescue sailors and refused British and Norwegian help until too late.
If I remember correctly the Kursk was never supposed to carry HTP torpedoes but due to the post-Soviet budget slashing they were brought back from retirement and the Kursk was modified to fire them, which could also explain why the crew had trouble arming it and had to re-open the hatch.
@@crazeelazee7524 I do know that all through the Cold War the Soviet Union took amazing risks to try and keep up with the Americans. Nuclear accidents and fires destroyed many submarines and damaged many more killing hundreds of seamen. The Type 63-73 HTP torpedo entered service in 1973, so was well known. Despite the accident to Kursk with a new 1991 Type 63-76, the weapon is still in service today.
Investigators later determined, the torpedo exploded in the tube. Blasting backward, with so much velocity. It tore the inner door off. Instantly killing everyone in the compartment. The reactors reinforcement, withstood and stopped the force of the magazine explosion. I can't imagine what those brave men had to endure afterwards.
My background is that I served 20 years as a USN sonar technician between 1979 - 1999 so I have a particular interest in this type of subject matter. The Kursk tragedy occurred not long after I retired. Outstanding explanation of the circumstances that led up to this tragedy. You know, if memory serves me correct, it was either the Nazis or the Soviets that messed around with a peroxide fueled propulsion on a submarine back in WWII or not long after. That didn't work out well either but hey, nobody ever accused the Soviets of learning from their mistakes.
Mate, I would just like to send you all the compliments you deserve!! Your quick and concise detail of complicated events is an absolute pleasure!! I've watched many of your videos of incidents I already know a lot about and still won't skip a second! Best of all, having a good old South African boitjie telling me the story makes me feel like I'm chatting to a mate! Thank you for all your time and effort you put into these videos!! I tip my hat to you sir!!
HTP also makes a good oxidiser for hybrid rockets. When injected under pressure through a silver nozzle (important it be silver, that's the decomposition catalyst) into a rocket with walls made of fuel (rubber, some type of polymer, etc.), the resulting reaction (from lots of heat along with fuel and O2) behaves very much like a solid rocket, but as soon as you shut off the oxidiser valve, the rocket is off. Unlike a regular solid rocket, which cannot be shut off until it burns itself out.
Going to sea in a ship is a hazardous endeavor. Going to sea in a submarine is even more so. Going to sea in a Soviet submarine is just downright dangerous.
@@freddykruger1086 Ever heard of SUBSAFE? No submarine has ever been lost since it was implemented by the USN after the Thresher sinking (except for USS Scorpion, which was *not* SUBSAFE certified)
@@darthdooku6246 same with modern russia bud after those fews mistakes..people do mistake they correct them. Simple as that. Not correcting mistakes and pushing for non functioning equipments to be used is simple insanity and only profits weapons manifacturers ;) difference is usa like their lies to be apart of entities like fda..ohsa..fbi..cia..whatever agency you end up trusting from a side or the other you need to understand basic humans..russian or american..everyone is human bud.
How did they manage to fail so many times to attach to the sub, let alone get to it. They even ran into it the first time and the couldn’t find it the second. The amount of errors is insane and quite frustrating to hear
Excellent detailed analysis of the Kursk submarine disaster. Should the men have chosen to leave by the escape hatch early on? In hindsight, maybe yes. But maybe no, because the Russian navy was so slow to react. As has been said in other comments, incompetence is a better word. RIP all the sailors who died.
I remember this at the time . Putin had only recently come to power . He declined an immediate offer from western/ nato assistance to help rescue some of the drowning sailors but only accepted help when his own rescue teams were not able to carry out a rescue . By then it was too late .
I really appreciate the thoroughness of your explanation, and I'm now satisfied that the misfortunate crewmen made the correct decisions, and did everything they could to survive. May they continue to rest in peace.
I often times have thought about the crew of the Kursk who survived the initial blasts. Those poor young men didn’t stand a chance. What a horrible way to go. In hindsight, those who were taken by the initial blast were the lucky ones. They probably didn’t even know what hit them before it was all over in a split second. But the 21 survivors in compartment 9? Those men’s last hours on earth were surely terrifying. RIP.
Hello Waterline stories, please consider doing an episode on the USS SCORPION, its sinking and loss is enshrouded in mystery and conspiracy. there is some amazing US navy ROV footage available of the wreck
Alway's remember at some government hearing a sailors mother standing up shouting at the top navy and political guys on a stage and some woman ghosts in from the crowd behind her with a hypodermic needle and clearly injects this grieving mother with something that shut her up and required the woman and some guy to catch her before she hit the floor then swoop this poor mother up and into the crowd of ppl all knowing to just look away ...
Sometime after the excavation and raising. Another, much more detailed video came out, of what happened. I'm assuming a forensic investigation was done. Because the events were described in sequence.
Neat. He speaks of fact about things that none can properly know, making no disclaimer about speculation. He also describes a different failure mode than I learned of years ago - if the propeller on the torpedo is allowed to spin - it starts a reaction in the torpedo that a bit later causes it to explode - with zero outside indications of a problem. This requires zero manufacturing defects.
Yoooo, so I understand it’s difficult to deal with the algorithm and it’s not possible to upload every week making high quality long form videos like this, But that being said, I hope you can find an alternative to this because as someone who actually does follow your channel, I get really disappointed whenever I see you come up in my sub box, click your video, and it’s another reupload :\
I didn't have an answer for you at the time, and didn't want to make something up without a good idea. What if for re-releases/alternate cuts of older videos you included a brief, less-scripted segment responding to the most popular questions and comments from the original video? Or even just include that as a brief unlisted Q&A companion video in the description. Then you could still keep the algorithm happy, give us a real reason to watch the video again (to have a refresher and fresh memory of the topic), and still minimize the time cost associated with the repost while you work on those large projects? I really do think you make fantastic things and it is well worth the time between videos to see the quality over quantity that you bring to the table, and I hope this suggestion isn't *so* late that you don't get to see it. And just so you know I really do love the stuff you make regardless, keep it up man :) @@waterlinestories
Thanks. I really appreciate the thought. I hadn't thought about answering questions. That's a good idea. I also thought to maybe put the shorter versions and shorts on a different channel. So the main, longer stories are in one place and the more cobbled together stuff is in a different place. I do my best to listen and adapt. Not always easy to find the right balance. But I really appreciate the time and attention to your suggestion.
👁️🫦👁️ Not for nothing, but you have to have some sort of death wish to be a part of the Russian military!! Especially to climb into one of their subs!! It’d be extremely delusional to even think that they cared about those men.. Rather they only cared about the loss of their substandard equipment…
You just have to be a male Russian citizen below 27 years old without money or connections and not studying in a university (and not a staunch pacifist who rarely fall under the above definition anyway).
2 of the last 3 videos have been a compilation of previous videos and an edited down version of a previously released video... can't speak for anyone but myself but I am not at all interested in repackaged content. Why not just make playlists of similar videos for those that wish to go down the rabbit hole and chapters within each video for those that want a filtered down version of the content? Then you can focus on continuing to make new content, of which yours is quite exceptional.
Thanks, I appreciate your compliment. Each video takes around 200 hours to make. On average we release an original version every two weeks sometimes three. During those weeks we don't release a video the team are paid and the views decline. Costs go up and revenue down. That put me in a position where I had to produce more but the revenue would not allow it or produce less resulting in lower revenue. Lose, lose. You are possibly one of the more dedicated audience who watch most or all of what I release. Not everyone does. In fact there average is 1.5 videos. That means of the 45 of videos I have, more than the vast majority have only seen a fraction of the videos. Not everyone will want to watch 30 minute videos so I've decided to edit a longer video to release as a shorter version. The compilation is an extra opportunity for someone to see complimentary videos. RU-vid favours channels that upload regularly. I can see it in the past 4 weeks that I have tested this theory. I understand that can be frustrating. I would love to be able to produce a new original video every week. Maybe one day my team and I will be able to do that. So the compilation and edited version give RU-vid the trigger it needs, it gives the audience a fresh opportunity to see content they might otherwise not have seen and it also helps me pay my team. Someone as dedicated as you would still only have an original video every two weeks. For now, this is a beast of necessity. I hope you understand. I would love to say this is just a hobby and the costs or revenue don't matter but I have a team of 6 people who rely on this channel to support themselves. I will do my best to say in the description, comments and intro that it's repackaged so you can skip over it and wait for the next original video.
In every industry, everywhere, if you do not train and rehearsal you will fail. Especially in this era of entitled women and the garbage of inclusion + LGBTQ, What was considered the failures of society now we have to involve them in the equations.
Is this is why our american military is better. We train every day. They check things ten times. They have others to check and recheck each persons check. We dont assume nothing.
What about CIA director visited Moscow soon after the tragedy , eliminating big russian debt (10 bilions $) and make a new huge deal with extraordinary details ?
nope. all of this was confirmed in various ways. exept by the russian government: they claim a lot of things but noting that can be confirmed by the wreckage and available data.
I mean almost half a million of them died in 2 years:O Those in Kursk died because russians are Asian and that was their way to save face - refuse help from smarter nations xD
Considering the channel is relatively new and starting to pick up pace, bare in mind that statistics might show that viewers prefer a 15 minute video vs a 30 min video. It was mentioned that it was a shortened version... but to be fair to you as well, could have mentioned it was a shortened version of a video already released...
She was hit by a USN boat that returned to Faslane in Scotland with damage to her fin, this was covered with a tarp and she came in at night. The president had a complete replacement crew flown in from another sub. They all changed out and the sub made temp repairs and left. Did you know the US paid Russia for the salvage and subsequent disposal. The hit damaged her then her torpedo exploded this is shown on the seismic recordings 2 distinct noises one small and the other the torpedo high ordering.
Oh yeah I heard that one too. Kinda funny it came from the dude who directly authorized the use of the awful torpedos and he made this claim BEFORE even the wreck was inspected. And As Russia always does.. they lie. Just like the Whiskey on the Rocks.. lie and lie again to save face even it risks nuclear war with a neutral power..
I call BS_ see the documentary not based on the official version (Koursk, un sous marin en eau trouble). which implicates US submarines during an official presentation to chinese officials. The incident would have resulted in a financial agreement along with a narrative, that didn't imlied the US act of war.
@@topiuusi-seppa5277At the time Russia was broke and dependent on western loans. Billions of loans were paid off by the usa and new loans given just after this incident. The sub was in shallow water such that if it was vertical half of it would be above the surface. Why wait a week to save the men trapped in the stern? Why, when UK rescue teams were there, they couldn't have any witnesses that the ship was attacked by the USA. A US sub damaged was photographed in a Scandinavian port just after the incident also. Why did the sub dive after the first explosion? Why did the Russian airforce ask permission to drop nuclear depth charges on open radio channels at the American subs? But were called off.
