Actually, pakistani withdrew earlier on after traveling halfway to the war zone leaving only the Malaysian and American to continue on. It was only the Malaysians' Condor that saved the US Rangers. Malaysian suffered one casualty and 9 injuries. I heard that a Malaysian film house will be reenacting the events to tell their side of the stories about the 19th Royal Malay Regiment (Mechanized unit) struggle. From their veterans account, their effort is by no means an easy feat. One account which interests me is when a Malaysian platoon commander ordered his men to blast the first floor of a building to bring down an antiaircraft artillery so that air support can fly in to give air cover to the ground rescue team at the extraction sites. I'm so keen to watch the Malaysian side of the events because their battle sounds amazing too.
WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED WAS, THE PAKISTANI RETREATED BCOZ THEIR LACK OF CAPABILITY TO ENGAGE AT NIGHT. WE WERE REQUESTED BY THE AMERICANS TO HELP AT 1700 ON THE 3rd OCT, AFTER SETTING OUT TO TWO DIFFERENT OBJECTIVES A & B AT 2200, WE WERE ATTACKED 2KM FRM LOCATION... WE WERE ATTACTED BY MORTAR N RPGs. TO GIVE THE IDEA OF THE COURAGE OF THESE MEN, WE WENT IN WITH WHITE UN CONDOR!!...AT NIGHT!!! WE WERE SITTING DUCKS, BUT WE NEVER BACKED OUT...WE KEPT ON... AS AN EX COMANDO FROM GGK MALAYSIA, I SALUTE THESE MEN. BLACK HAWK DOWN WAS A FARCE.. THE AMERICANS SHOULD STOP LYING N TELLING HALF TRUTH STORIES. IF IT WASN'T FOR THE MALAYSIAN ARMY, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THEIR PEOPLE OUT. WE MANAGED TO EXTRACT 95% OF THE RANGERS, WHERE THE OTHER 5% COULN'T BE LOCATED, FEARED DEAD. THESE MSIAN ARMY PERSONEL, WITH CASUALTIES, SAVING THE AMERICANS, DESERVED TO BE ALLOWED TO TELL THE WORLD WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. #22komandoforever
100 Malaysian soldiers including apc, apc drivers and apc gunners together with 10th Mountain / seal / rangers --- see also actual interview of Jeff Struecker here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gFoefxX3rb8.html&t=2100
you`ll see that there will be a some pakistan went like "hurr durr we also went in" in reality they were too afraid coz no night vision for those babies
The part of the Somalian guy shooting the Black Hawk with the RPG is actually real, which was a really impressive feat, with the fact that an RPG is very hard to handle and hold, with the handles making it uncomfortable to aim upwards. Not to mention the immense drop of an RPG, especially when pointing upwards.
One thing that almost never gets mentioned - the Quick Reaction Force comprised of troops from the 10th Mountain Division attempted to drive into the city to mount a rescue at the crash sites, but were stopped at the K-4 traffic circle by fierce resistance. They engaged in a half-hour firefight, called in air support, but it wasn't enough to break through. This was a huge reason why the battle ended up lasting as long as it did.
Clinton gave a bad call, by not allowing APCs and Spectre Gunship support from the beginning. APCs alone would make a great difference and road blocks could have been eliminated with specialized equipment.
@@aleksandersokal5279 Spectre Gunship? in the middle of the town? you must be insane. Other air support such as Little Bird and Cobra is probably viable so i wont comment on that. Also 10th Mountain Div only have HMVVW which is not good to withstand relentless small arms fire.
@@muhammadharithzulkeflee9866 Not insane, the 40mm section of the gun is far from overkill and Garrison did demand gunship support. The only armament that would go too far would be the B2 bomber or the Eagles.
@@aleksandersokal5279 Even with 40mm it was still pretty much unwise to perform such duties in the area which is densely packed with non combatants and hostile. But i have to acknowledge that having Spectre support will definitely help suppressing hostiles around the HMVVW and save SOB and downed crew way earlier.
@@muhammadharithzulkeflee9866 Well, when the Task Force Ranger got surrounded it would have became extremely useful to flatten the buildings (that you know mostly filled by enemy combatants) in the immediate proximity of the force to give them breathing space. Moreover, the Spectre gunship offers fire support which unlike the helicopters is not at risk of being shot down.
As a 9 year old kid in Mogadishu, I remember that fateful, terrifying evening. General Aidid's loyalists literally sacrificed themselves and gave the invading Americans one hell of a battle. Personally I lost many close members of my family including my wonderful, great maternal grand father Maxamuud Cirro (May Allah grant him the status of a Shaheed, inshaa Allah)
BHD will always be my top most favourite movie. The cinematography, the soundtrack, the atmosphere, just wonderful. It makes me realise how fortunate I am to have a great family and all my friends IMO
Another inaccuracy is the way the whole area looks. The Mogadishu portrayed in Black Hawk Down looks nothing like the real Mogadishu. In Black Hawk Down the city just looks like a generic middle eastern city. The area where the actual battle took place was a lot more suburban, with smaller buildings no more than 1 or 2 stories high, and there were green trees and vegetation all over the place. In the movie it just looks sand colored and completely barren, and the buildings are all too large and tall. The battle scenes are good, but they don't capture the look of the battle at all.
They shoot the movie in Morocco and the people acting are now Somalis or East African at all. Typical American........ They’ve no clue about geography or other cultures.
Malaysia soldier save the USA hostages... not USA . Hollywood tell lies, the malaysia soldier save the USA hostages still alive and can tell THE TRUTH EVENT what really happen. Unfortunately, USA and UN do not appreaciate what MALAYSIA did . Funny why the USA government and hollywood just silent about Malaysia huge help. Clearly they ungrateful I am proud and salute MALAYSIA SOLDIER because they finish their job bravely. Imagine only a few malaysia soldier against Entire army of somalia. Still manage to RESCUE, FIGHT and ESCAPE 👍❤👍
I’ve heard a lot of soldiers say that this is the most realistic war movie ever made. I had a chance to meet Jeff streuker who was a ranger there and consulted them when they made the movie. All the extras are real Rangers and they even had the original pilots fly the helicopters for the film.
You're actually correct on the portion for the pilots. The pilot of Star 4-1, the Little Bird that was the first responder to the Super 6-1 crash site that evacuated the 2 delta snipers Busch and Smith, was CWO Keith Jones and he actually plays himself here in the movie, basically re-enacting his experience.
@LTrain45 45 I met one of them and other combat vets and they all say it’s portrayal of war is accurate. And the movie presents most things the way they happened. One of the only differences being they didn’t mark enemy positions for attacks, they marked their own location and said shoot everything else
@LTrain45 45 like numbers don’t lie, casualties on the American side were like 20 and they were all rangers, green berets, and seals. They don’t die easy. And there were hundreds of Somalis dead. The numbers alone show that the fighting was intense and some of the most intense fighting most people have seen in their military careers
What a freaking lie. The book scarred me for life. I understood for the first time why many vets come home messed up. The movie was NOT accurate at all.
Five helicopters went down. Grimes, aka John Stebbins, was the only character who got their name changed. John won a silver star in this battle and was looked up to by his men as a legend during the battle. 1998 John was convicted and sentenced to jail do raping a 12-year-old girl.
Interesting, considering I know and served with alot of the actual guys there including Col. Danny McKnight who said that most of the movie was accurate. The crash site of Super 61 was not as large as they made it. "Hoot" was made up of several Opetators there. The guy talking couldn't even get it right on the marking of the vehicle and who it was for. It was not for Autto. Everyone there said Hollywood couldn't show the ferocity of the battle..For a movie its about 90% accurate. We all know Hollywood will have their own take on somethings.
Or the fact that 99/100 people who saw this movie says that Task Force Ranger failed their mission because of the loss of two Blackhawks and the lives of soldiers. When the mission was to capture Aidid’s Advisors, which we did... That would be like saying the Allies lost ww2 because we lost Pearl Harbor...
An interesting fact I heard, Mohamed Aidid studied old soviet tactics to fighting urban warfare and studied American response tactics. Aidid knew that if he had his militia bring down a helicopter, US troops would reposition on the crash site and make the situation hard for the US to win. Also the RPGs they used were modified to be able to fire at the near 90° angle, and also used rockets that could detonate and a approximated height
B Lo of course an stuck up American prick like you who think you’re higher then everyone else. And also those 3rd world countries pricks like you enjoy to make fun of can handle an epidemic better than your joke of a nation.
People need to know the difference between a movie and a documentary, the movie is made to attract attention and a documentary is to collect information and tell the history from certain view points, and May be still no to accurately true, imagine at certain events where 1000 people participated? How many opinions will come out? Blackhawk down, is only a movie, do you get it?
The director even made it clear he wanted to make his own thing because he didn't feel that he could do the true story justice plus it gave him more creative freedom.
The movie is very inaccurate, but wrong does not equal bad. The scenery, the soundtrack, the firefights, the dramatic moments, etc, are really good in my opinion. I deadass watched this movie like 20 times, and I'm not tired of it. My point is, you're right, it's inaccurate, but it's not a bad movie.
I had to laugh when they mentioned that Somalis complained about non-Somalis playing Somalis, while watching an Aussie play an American (dodgy accent and all).
At least in most cases you can't tell an Aussie apart from an American but Somali's(East African) actually physically look very different than the West African people that were used in the movie
Somalis, if they haven't already, should make a movie telling their side. I was in the Army, stationed in Alaska, when this happened. As a soldier, dying is part of the job. I was most upset that they were dragging the corpses through the streets.
Just to make a suggestion, I was wondering about the accuracy of "Fires On The Plain". I love the movie, and if nothing else I think it's worth it to recommend you give it a watch. Have a nice day!
I remember the director saying he wanted to make his own thing because he didn't feel like he could do the true story justice. People need to differentiate between film and reality nobody that was there or knows the true story downplays the Malaysian and Pakistani involvement. When I was a kid I knew some of the people that were there and they had nothing but good things to say about them.
I Dont care about the negative stuff the say about the film Those men fought hard harder than ever and if you say otherwise you couldnt do anything they did. They have Respect and they deserved it
The movie was NOT faithful to the book and what I presume were the real events. So many people who have watched this movie have NEVER read the book and it's pathetic. I read the book as a college freshman and for the first time, I understood why so many vets were messed up. The Somali militia would advance on US troops with women and children as human shields. They literally had NO CHOICE but to kill them or they would die. They had to shoot women and kids who were carrying ammunition or pointing out troop locations. The attack helicopters would kill scores of people during their gun runs. What bothered me a lot was the portrayal of special forces. In the book, they're just highly experienced, highly professional soldiers with an attitude. Once everything goes sideways, they're fighting for survival like everyone else. They were NOT the Avengers like they were shown to be in the movie. They provided good tips to the Rangers but it was shown that they were as human as anyone else. I couldn't tolerate this movie after reading the book. Given that it got assistance from the US military, anything making it look bad was scrubbed and sanitized. I do not think America would like to see the honest adaptation of the book. Horror movies just haven't compared since I read it. Enemy at the Gates, the book, was also very disturbing.
One of the biggest inaccuracies I’ve ever learned about the movie is the main character himself. SGT. Matt Eversman left with the first convoy and stayed back at the hangar to help with wounded and resupply for the entire rest of the battle. Also, the crash site of 6-1 went relatively uncontested as opposed to the events of the movie. According to Dan Schilling (the CSAR PJ on scene), the Somalis eventually forgot they were even there, and they hid in a hut next to the helicopter the rest of the night as Somalis just walked around paying no mind to them. Last but not least, 4 black hawks in total were shot down over the course of the battle. The helicopter that inserted the CSAR team onto 61’s crash site, Super 68, was hit by an RPG during the insertion and crash landed safely outside of the combat zone. Super 62, inaccurately portrayed as only receiving small arms fire, was also hit by an RPG shortly after inserting Gordon and Shurghart to secure 64’s crash site, with delta sniper Brad Halling losing his leg in the attack. It crash landed safely back at base.
One of Black Hawk Down's biggest failures is downplaying the strategic ineptitude that put soldiers in that position. Civilian and militia resistance was so high partly because a previous failed attempt to kill Aididi led to ~200 local elders and community leaders getting blown up in a raid. It feels both disrespectful to the Somali people and tactically effed, to just fly troops in by daylight weeks after that.
If you purchased it with a credit card or rented it from you tv etc it's not surprising. We are constantly being watched and listened to for advertisement and security.
Still the most accurate of any war movie... I agree it’s amazing. The scene where Eric Bana and his team sneak the enemy firing rockets into the building was the most “HELL YEAH, MURICA!” Moment of any movie! Lol.
Portraying Somalia like this was bad. They only showed the poor site of Mogadishu and hid the beautiful sites of the city of which are greater than the poor ones. By the way, it's the power of media. That's how Africa is shown to the world.
Well ya but there were still 10’s of thousands of Somalis outside and they were left without a lot of their previous advantages like NOD’s, medical equipment, the night and didn’t know how big the enemy was and did suffer quite a bit
Being put into a firefight regardless of your status or experience in the military would be pretty hectic. And 2 black hawks getting shot down on a simple snatch and grab sounds pretty desperate
TheCosmicAlien 7 firefights aren't always "hectic" and I'm not saying there wasn't some serious stress going on to say the least, but they knew worse case they were gonna get out of there and extract the birds as well. The movie makes it seem like there was no hope and it was a last stand on all fronts
Complaints about the somali actors and language is idiotic. They're extras and the language is just gibrish as far as the target audience for this movie. Somali organizations boycotting the movie, get real, this was never going to be a movie that holloywood was hoping the somalis in the US or anywhere would flock to see.
Malaysia banned this movie also, because they're disrespect Malaysian Special Force are not involved in this movie. This movie is totally garbage because they don't follow true events.
@@oneforallallforone1821 Since this is hollywood that's probably valid complaint with the realism. What involvement did the malasians have in the actual event?
@@onetimer44 Read the book They provided armored cars and drivers for the final extraction from the Super 6-1 crash site. One of their drivers was killed in action when an RPG hit his vehicle. Or you can read the repetitive posts from indignant Malaysians which bury every single Blackhawk Down video.
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The Pakistanis were running scared in their tanks (according to Struecker). Malaysians helped though.
It's okay.. you guys can watch BAKARA. The movie based on what happened in Bakara market in Somalia at that time, the movie will release in 2021.. which told the undiscovered history and the truth behind Somalia war with Delta forces who almost get killed without Malaysia armies intervene, and save their ass. And to opened the eyes of America people about the small country also has their elite forces who are very courageous and brave. Don't worries we are MALAYSIA will put all the name heroes even Pakistan Armies also Somalia innocent citizens who also involved to help Malaysia armies and us armies get out safely.
It's not accurate because it's Hollywood movie, full of bs Edit: some comments talk about the movie failure to show Malaysian soldier role in the battle, and after some research I found out it's true. That prove that this is another Hollywood BS
Pakistani 19Lancers and 15FrontierForce rescued the US forces. Noone could even think of leaving the football ground without the troop of tanks. APCs and infantry were soft targets. Tanks QRF at front and rear inbetween APCs rescued the American forces and off course a black hawk in the air where the squadron commander would sit and command the ops. Pakistan Army have all those letters and appreciations displayed in there respective regiments.
I work with an Army retiree that was part of the Ranger detachment sent to Mogadishu at the time the movie is set (no, he wasn't portrayed in the film anywhere). Really nice guy, but very soft spoken when it comes to his military service. Being the only veteran among us, we were, naturally, curious about his experiences. However, no one wanted to actually ASK him about what happened since, first and foremost, we were concerned about the insensitivity of asking him to dredge up potentially painful memories and second, we all assumed he was asked those questions all the time and had grown tired of answering them. Eventually, of course, the question came up and this is more or less the only thing he told us about the movie: "It was hard to watch."
Since it's a "Based on" Movie, i don't see any problem about some scenaristics simplifications,... I mean, "Based on" never stand for a 100% accuracy, but to pinpoint a high value of it. and on this, the Movie is pretty accurate from an American PoV So, as we all know now, all PoV can't be included as wanted by everyone (Pakistani/Indian PoV which have been described by their own officials as insufficient), because it's only a 2 hours movie,... To me (and i'm not american,...), this movie relate events that US.Soldiers/Rangers/Delta could have seen during this battle, with a pretty good accuracy (but not 100%, as said earlier due to scenaristics simplifications). The most important thing is, to not forget that this battle occured, why and it's context. alongside, to not forget those soldiers risking their lives for people of the world, in the objective to bring them peace, stability, alike countries that are prevented from that kind of troubles. In a result, this film is making citizens of any country who lived in peace, to be proud of what it's army does for them or for any foreign people. We could have said, that only American people should be proud of their army by this movie, but any country who take part into similar events, should get the same proud sense for their own army, seeing this movie. Because comparable events will appears as in this movie (crisis, deaths of soldiers/people, violences, and any others)
I'm Somalian and this is not even close the truth happen that day , we killed 18 americans plus 984 from other countries only that match , and fact is we where fighting for or country ! are we wrong for our rights if we defends our people! the funniest thing is the fight was only one tribe that called HABARGIDIR . imagine all somalis are in that match what will happen !run boy run!.... there is no place for America in Somalia.
Im roman Catholic form malaysia.. I respect u as a soldier.. But u dont telling the true and the main rescue mission story.. Shame on u.. And make sure to watch the real story in Malaysia it call "bakara" they are on making it..
@@Kazmll229 Its okay if nobody cares, our army is not doing that for fame, unlike u guys keep on telling the world how great u are (Indeed your army is great). At some point, it is us that nobody cares who teaches your army how to fight in real combat, because your army was showered by fame until forgot how to fight.. you know what, you can take all the fame and credit... it's okay.. we don't even need that. But at least tell the world the truth, to show your respect to fallen personnel in the battle.
Actually the other 3 black hawk were hit by an RPG but didn't went down 2 of them returned to base and 1 landed at the city docks that was actually a Pakistani safe zone
Well they had a showing of people who survived the actual fight (both Delta and the RR) and they said that they all received the movie quite well and said it was accurate. And they were actually there so they’re opinion beats yours IMO
I thought the biggest technical inaccuracies was the first crash site scene where it’s shown that Chalk 4 had to haul their ass’s through the entire city as they were the only ones to protect the downed crew members. In reality right after the 1st Black Hawk went down a Mini Bird came down and 2 pilots, Karl Mayor and Keith Jones, directly flew down and saved the 2 surviving crew members while applying covering fire and flew out within minutes at least according to one of the documentaries I saw on the subject and they also had the emergency CSAR team out there so it wasn’t just Chalk 4 at the crash site plus also the other Chalks on the mission to went to the 1st crash site And also something I’m a little bit unsure about but I believe the book went into was Eversmann and much of Chalk 4 was evacuated on 5e Lost Convoy before the end of the day and didn’t stay fo the night. At least as believe that was covered in the book I’m not entirely sure but also Seconds from Disaster Documentary covered that a lot of Chalk 4 got out it’s weird to think the movie thought Chalk 4 was literally one of the only forces out there that day but I guess the movie needed a central cast to follow I’m not sure why they didn’t just break them up and cover the other teams out there that day. But solid movie for people that aren’t familiar with the subject and it almost acts as a documentary for the uninitiated although I will say the Somalis are depicted as an omnipresent threat and not really as a separate group of people but as one machine which is a little inaccurate
@@theimperialfistsspacemarin3050 lol isnt important? Thats why many countries hate US cuz of their selfish and wannabee heroes mindset... Look kid your country also coward... Calling muslim a terrorist but still request help from muslim country😂 get life kid
It's so hard to gather the right information from a war. There so much mayhem going on around the soldiers (I'm guessing..being a civilian) that their job is only to survive. Get out alive whether they've achieved their objective or not. Trying not to get shot or blown up by explosives. What they see is just a snippet. They are the ground troops. Literally. Not the guys who call the shots. They are on a base. :) Safe. In the end war is never the answer. . Soldiers just do as told. Whether they agree or not. They signed on for whatever the decision makes decide they should get involved in. Personally I feel soldiers should only be to defend their own country from invasion. Going to fight on foreign land...you're always at a disadvantage. The home team always knows the land better and can plan a better defence. I think invaders are just "reacting". and following orders. Take the Vietnam War...Americans came with superior firepower and still lost. All the American tactical training didn't help them...much. Invaders/intruders are always at the disadvantage.
@@CMDRFandragon Another thing you can do is search the names Mike Durant, Jeff Strueker, Keni Thomas, Kyle Lamb. They all have multiple videos here talking about their experiences
@@theimperialfistsspacemarin3050 I don't care. If you think your soldier strong. Why you soldier is really stupid. This is help from Allah. Allah loves us despite different religions, races and countries.
@@theimperialfistsspacemarin3050 No one care. This is wrong what l said because you're think the military power of Malaysia isn't strong if compared to your country. You love to you god but God doesn't love your because you said that to me. You don't take care of other people's hearts! How do you want to take care of your god's heart.
What were their names? The depressing thing about humanity is that idiots like you who believe this shit exist in massive numbers. Stealing oxygen and propagating malignant ignorance.
What’s sad is two Muslim countries coming and aiding US to come invade Somalia. I’d like to know why did it have to be Malaysia and Pakistan out of all the countries that could have helped. US and it’s helpers should back off, nobody wants their help since all they do is cause damage
I remember an interview of one of those Somalian armed group who were still destroying their country just after the movie came out. They said it was their favorite movie. There was images of some of them joking and laughing at the US soldiers being killed. Somalian got offended... How cute, I thought it wasn't about "race" or "gender" anymore... For the reboot or the sequels they should make the US soldiers all female and the Somalian dying all white males.
Wolcott crash site is wrong, strobe placement was wrong, chalk alignment on the target building was wrong. At 1 point chalk 4 NCO Eversman radios Capt Steele for evac and looks down the street to Steeles location who then we see from his point of view looking back at Eversman. Reality was they were on opposite sides of the block on opposite corners and couldn't have seen each other. Struekers convoy was with McKnight and not separate. One convoy not two. Should i even go onto a 223 round not being capable of penetration of an engine block especially a moving vehicle? Atto never met the General to be interrogated. Wouldn't happen anyway if if they wanted to speak . Still a good movie , just off in certain areas where you can tell Hollywood ramped it up for shock factor
