I have heard a you tuber call the 12 Paladins and Charlie in Fate and i quote "Like those who follow him, he is pure of heart and dumb of ass" and i can say that fits them to a T.
@@CrazyYurie The one I want to see most is another only sometimes counted among the actual Paladins but also one of the oldest figures of Charlemagnes followers: Holger Danske/Ogier the Dane, another wielder of the sword Cortana.
You've only scratched the surface that is the hodgepodge of the stories of Charlemagne. They get so much worse in terms of continuality and consistency. The stories of Charlemagne vary in terms of not only of the authors, but of where they were written in. The stories of Charlemagne are not only in French, but German, Italian, Spanish. The conquest of the real Charlemagne's campaigns spread him far and wide to the point where different countries had different interpretations of him. We got chansons, and then we got wild ass legends. The Italians made up an entire backstory for the fantasy Charlemagne, where, I kid you not, sounds like a parody of Cinderella (Charlemagne and his 3 older half brothers that hate his guts). In it, he's portrayed as the only one in his family with 'pure royal blood.' This is the case because Pepin was supposed to marry Berta , who was the daughter of a Hungary King (who was commented to have really large feet. We don't know why, but this is her defining characteristic). She decided to run away in the woods after finding a twin, and this twin pretended to be Berta and married Pepin, thus diluting the royal blood line. And Charlemagne only came to be because Pepin went hunting, found Berta in the woods, and slept with her because she was beautiful. It's a funny parallel compared to the real Charlemagne who was said to be the oldest of his siblings, and said to have been conceived before Pepin the Short actually married. And you actually read some bibliographies of the guy and most are like 'He never took his kingship seriously until later in life.' Which ok fair. His early kingship was just going off of Pepin's bucket list until he conquered the Lombards. Then there is the 'untold' sin of Charlemagne, that varies as well in interpretations. French people say the sin is incest, where they argue that Roland is not his nephew but his son that he had with his sister. Then you have the Germans who claim that the sin was necrophilia with one of his dead wives caused by a magic ring cursed by the Devil himself. This magic ring basically made him fall head over heels to whoever possessed the ring. It's so funny because it ends with him falling in love with a flipping SWAMP. The real Charlemagne's sin was said to be adultery, given the numerous people who claim to be his descendants and the fact that he did not call out Pope Leo III when people accused him as such. The man just really liked women. There is no consistency in the fantasy Charlemagne. He's just a bunch of loosely connected stories. Even the real Charlemagne's story can sound ridiculous at times. I'm still upset they just say the inconsistency of Karl and Charlie (according to Astolfo) comes from touching a dead alien's body and obtaining alien kush powers. And Karl uses this kush to Oracilize Servants. Which brings the question sometimes if he was fighting for the sake of God or Velber inserted funny things in his brain to make him think he was unifying Europe in the name of God.
This is a big part of why I decided not to dig too deeply into Carolingian Legend in this video - while also making sure to point out that it is a chaotic mess. Digging into that stuff took up most of my research time for this video, and it was a complete mess. Though, at the very least, it will make doing the future videos on Roland, Astolfo, Bradamante, and Mandricardo easier. :D And yes, I was planning to mention the potential incest bit in the Roland video. o_o
@@CrazyYurie Yeah it's absolutely wild in the degree. I remember reading an analysis of the chansons where someone said that Charlemagne isn't really a character in the chansons, but more of a 'pawn' or a 'piece' to progress the stories of the other characters (Mostly his Paladins as you mentioned). Given the different interpretations of his character in the numerous stories, it makes sense why Charlie himself sees that the stories he was in truly didn't give him justice. His character is probably the one most all over the place in the chansons compared to his Paladins, that do have moments where they jar away from their character, but they keep rather consistent overall.
Considering the fact that a new Fate/EXTRA game is in the works (Faye EXTRA Record) and that Charlie first appeared in the Extraverse of the Fate Franchise, there is a chance we may have a small cameo of Charlie himself in there.
it only a remake of extra so unlikely we have to wait for the sequel to link or some event he might be the focus of in FGO im sure the ruler version will be playable in FGO at some point (hopefully Archimedes to) :(
Mm…I was hoping there would be a mention of the carcass of Sefar’s role in helping Charlemagne leave his earlier life as the adventurer behind and kicking off his later life as the unifier.
@@CrazyYurie Sefar is the destroyer of civilization and literally gets stronger from attacks based on civilization. When Charlemagne came into contact with the mummified remains of Sefar and the Monolith in the tomb, he caught a glimpse of Velber and thought that he was given the god-given right to unite Europe and the world under one banner, aka a singular civilization (in reality, it was most likely that the vision of Velber infected him with Sefar’s mission in some shape and form as Astolfo remarked how Charlemagne seemed like something other than human after leaving the tomb). Even Altera remarked how he had the “stars’ will”, most likely meaning that Charlemagne inherited Velber’s mission in some form. You can see it as Charlemagne’s dream of unification essentially having the same roots as Altera’s fixation on judging if a civilization is bad or good and then destroying the bad. Basically, Sefar = something to do with judgement of civilization.
@@kziila0244yeah, the Sefar event is the "turning point" of Charlie's entire character. It is suppossed to be *the* point from which Charlemagne shifts to Karl der Grobe, his views shift, becoming more realistic and less adventetous and carefree, which by extension changes his personality.
For why Charlie's first skill works the way it does, I see it as a possible and fun nod to how Paladins are depicted in other works and pop culture. Charlie's skill is kind of like how Paladins in games like Final Fantasy and Fire Emblem have abilities that are used to shield allies from harm by forcing attacks to hit them instead of allies, sometimes the Paladin gains bonuses from doing this. You could see it as Charlie being rewarded for behaving like a proper Paladin, since he is the leader of the 12. He is rewarded and gains power by selflessly protecting others but is penalized by behaving cowardly and selfishly by using his protection skill on himself and thereby not covering for his allies and leaving them at the mercy of the enemies.
This is a fun video, charlie is such huge figure in history. You know when you mention how many kids he had part of me was waiting for a joke that Gudao was a descendent of charlie since they look so similar. Also fun fact, you probably know the main reason why the pope started to crown Charlie at the time. Is because in the current emperor of the byzantine was a woman that got through rather extreme means name Irene of Athens. Heck there was rumors going around that the two would be wed. So Fate Gudako face Empress Irene when
There are many potential reasons why Charlie was crowned, with that dispute with the Byzantines being one of them. I put greater emphasis on Charlemagne's long-running good relations with the Papacy though, since that made the most sense to me. It could very well be both of these things though. :o
in my language(portuguese) he is only known by the name of Carlos Magno, which comes from his latin name Carolus Magnus, and often either people dont know him AT ALL or just the historical version, not knowing that there is legends about him and his 12 paladins, and its pretty neat for me that he is so close from both versions
A note about the last skill: while technically the first appearance of Mana Burst Light in its lonesome, it did appear as part of Dioscuri's skills, Mana Burst Light and Ancient. That one buffs both Quick and Art too, so, consistency! 😄
@@CrazyYurie Indeed. Technically different, the best kind of different. :D I'm not even sure what the "Ancient" in Mana Burst refers to. Ancient divine energy? I just assumed it's Castor being edgy. XD
@@CrazyYurie Maybe, since they are a Saber and Avenger servant, the "/" means one uses Mana Burst (Light), while the other uses Mana Burst (Ancient). I dont know what the Ancient part refers to, but I have a guess. Since Pollux losing her godhood is a big part of thier fate character, maybe Castor has Ancient with more connections to the divine/age of gods and Pollox was downgraded to just Light. If Ancient energy is linked to divine, it could also relate to Castor being able to use his Light Authority to move at Lightspeed, even when hes not a full divine spirit, damaging himself as a result like in LB5.2, something we don't know if Pollux can do.
Funny enough I'm writing a light novel and I just mentioned Charlemagne and his sword in that light novel house fitting that this video pops up less than 72 hours later
I know it would be hard given how little background the actual figure had, but can you do one of Caligula? All I know is that MF tried to fight Neptune.
Charlie ! I've been waiting for this video and it didn't disappoint Extella was the first fate game I actually got to play (besides fgo) and seeing him keep up with everyone with a broken spirit core was honestly awesome AF, and the reveal that his older/ruler self was the villain was genuinely awesome.
It's heavily implied (or explicitly stated, I don't know exactly), that if you try to summon "Charlemagne Saber", you just get young Karl, without the personality nor the powers of his legends (except for a skill or two, probably). This is one of the few instances where we get to summon the 100% literary version of a character, which explains why is he so unstable when he does appear. It's like if we summoned "Count Dracula" instead of the Berserker vampire Vlad. There's always so many bs excuses to use literary characters despite they explicitly stating they cannot be Heroic Spirits (hence the several Phantoms in Higashide's Singularities), like the 'they were always historical but the book is based on them', that seeing them tackle a pure fictional version of someone for once is a breath of fresh air.
The reason there most likely the same as he is in exella link might be because of the events of extella link to make it able to summon his saber iteration instead of his ruler iteration effecting not just the moon cell but possibly the throne in fgo and possibly during a holy grail wars (if he were to be summoned as saber for a grail war) but this is just a theory but seems likely since stuff that happens in shows and games seem to also effect the throne sometimes or servants possibly rembering events that happen in them and I don't think it'll complain having another servant at it's disposal weather it's the same person or not
I would imagine Charlemagne and King Hassan do not like each other and would probably try to kill each other on sight even if they were both summoned to defend Humanity against a specific threat
Not really King Hassan is actually okay with other faiths and Charlemagne irl was pen pals with the Abbasid Caliph Harun Al Rashid they even exchange gifts to each other. Heck Harun sent Charlie a elephant name abu abbas to Charlemagne's court
Welp look like we got king duo can cook other fate enemy since king Hassan is old like really oldest servants and still kickin' even without his title while Charlemagne is really a powerful servant that he have to nerf himself to summon if he use his full power we will have that ruler class side of him and his power is so broken that he is a entity
As far as fate characters go, Charlemagne is everything I would want in a protagonist: he's like the paladin equivalent of Sora from Kingdom hearts, which is a compliment in my book 💗 Excellent work, Yurie💯
The one thing I kinda wish fate explored more is why Charlie has such a big "be cool" mindset. It feels moreso just a personality trait they gave him to have a different vibe.
I respect the hell out of Charlie I mean he spread reading writing and education with his rules as well while I’m no expert his influence is seen even today
This makes sense. And you're right. Almost all of those of german descent are most likely related to good ol' charlie. That would mean Marie Antoinette could be related to him as an ancester.
@@diegomendez8201 I really wasn't kidding when I said that pretty much everyone alive today with some European Ancestry most likely can trace their lineage back to Charlemagne.
Li Shuwen is more different than that. Servant will be summoned in the peak that correspond specifically at the class they are summoned (best exemple is Gilles de Rais summoned as the infamous killer when in Caster form and as the marshall in Saber form) where Li differs is that the young and old are both considered peak for the same class (meaning you can summon a young Li Shuwen as an assassin (which happen in extra and extella) and a Old Li as a Lancer and vice versa. Charlie's deal in extella is that normally no matter how you summon him what he has done in real life will vastly overshadow the legend is has even in Saber form and it's only happened because of outside circumstances in extella link.
After that amazing Nibelungenlied trilogy ve got the man Charlie itself. Now we'll get the character I was most excited about since Lancelot, Constantine. He's my favorite Roman emperor and I love his feud against Mehmed II. I can't wait for the next video
Lets just see karl der großes bp of the eyes of the foubder as german he goes with a mecha who represents his fucking ego by the power of supirior engeneering
I noticed you dont talk about the grand order material books, i think there important since they go into why servants are given certain skills ( moreso than ever) and how the character who should generally be protrayed.
Knowing about the historical context more (i was taught about him but it was a long time ago) makes link better although i do think it's a shame it takes a long time before the game gives you a more concrete handle on why he is doing all this
So, I have a question for you….ive noticed a lot of FGOs servants might have so little screen time or lore that they end up kinda doing nothing. For example One of my favorite beserkers is Eric bloodaxe. But I know as lore and gameplay goes…he kinda got shafted. Do you plan on doing maybe SHORTS based on characters with so little to go off, that you couldn’t make a full video on them? Or do you think every servant has just enough info that you will be able to make a full video?
I've done videos on characters like Jekyll & Hyde, Mephistopheles, and Phantom who have gotten next to no screen time. I plan to do a video on everyone who isn't a Type-Moon original - and that includes Erik Bloodaxe. :3
Mandricardo and Charlamagne where enemies right? Honestly I can see Charlie just wraping his arm around Mandricardo and saying "Aah lets bygones be bygones! Where allies now so no need too keep to old grudges right? Right! So lets be friends buddy!" And just like that Mandicardo and Charlamagne are best buddys, even if the former is way less enthusiastic about it...there basicley Mirio and Tokoyamy from My Hero Academia now that I think about it, wich would be a genuenly funny dynamic. Two former enemies now fighting side by side and becoming close friends that fully trust each other on the battlefield.
Well tbf some good did come about for us English losing our mythology and picking up a more inspired French version. It made Tolkien go you know WHAT!? Fine I'll write an mythology myself which worked out well for us. But in all seriousness I do need to look into French and European legends more because while I know a lot about the Greeks, Romans, Norse and Egyptian myths. "Younger" European legends or those more historical inspired are a little bit of a blind spot for me. Now saying that for some English rep in the future, I wouldn't mind seeing Nelson or Henry VIII get into Fate. Honestly I understand Nelson but I am shocked Henry isn't a servant, Imagine his suffering of all six wife's being summoned with him.
@@CrazyYurie Are you not aware of Charlie the Unicorn? Does this comment age me? Its a very old animated skit by FilmCow, and it has ruined the name Charlie for me.
ok before i go into how much of a banger this video is, i wanna say southings. 1 it is an atrocity that we have yet to get another fate game involving the extra verse (id rather have that over fsr). 2 i think we all can agree Charlies other haff should be playable. this video was awesome, from the lore behind his power, skills and ability's to the legend that spans four different lands, i can safly say thta you did a grand job on this. though it sadness me that you couldn't add some stuff like how he's supposed to be summoned in the body of his saber counterpart but with the powers of his ruler variant or that leagued i mention about the ring. but all and all you did good cant wait for you to cover Doman and Cagliostro
The new Extra game yet to release is a remake of the original one with probably better storytelling, so I'm just eager for it to come out. The Extraverse is so good but it always gets a bad reputation in the west either because of localization issues or the actual game being... mediocre, like Extella.
@saxor96 that's fair, the original story dose need a new coat of paint but it sucks that we have to wait longer for use to see the velver star and it's minions
You know I've noticed something about fate what's with the consist fight between the older and younger version do they really need to fight to the death every time to reach any understanding I mean if it were me that wouldn't happen.
Honestly because of your prior comments about how this video took so long to make, I would’ve expected it would’ve been at least thirty minutes, but hey, it’s almost that length so who cares? I haven’t finished the video yet but I would imagine this is the video with the most production time, so I’ll enjoy it!
I'm not actually sure which videos have taken the longest to do, since I don't actually keep track of how many hours each one takes. But, since you mention it? This one probably was the most complicated. At least with the King Arthur and Lancelot videos I didn't have to branch out into so many different topics. x_x
