Actually the thing about "why we dont see more versions of Heracles" is actually true! There was an interview with Nasu and Narita about Fate/Strange Fake and Narita says he had to nerf Heracles into Alcides because he doesnt believe he can write how overwhelming Heracles is and in the story proper Enkidu refers to Alcides (whom is weaker than the archer heracles he got corrupted from) as an Equal to Gilgamesh and this is shown when they have a straight up draw twice despite Gilgamesh using all his tools bar EA itself, he even conjured storms with a noble phantasm we've never seen before, thats how seriously he was fighting! Heracles is called things like "strongest hero", "flawless champion", "hero of heroes" and even "god of heroes" at multiple instances and is implied to be the strongest hero in human history. Recently we even found out he owns a sword more powerful than Excalibur in terms of sheer raw power output! Heracles is an absolute utter monster when he has his sanity and thus intelligence, fighting skill and tools.
In fate raute, Nasu actualy dirrectly calls him "the strongest heroic spirit, whom only few can rival". Archer(who allready went through that hgw in his o.g. timeline) said, that he can 1v7 every other stay night servant and win. Erice in the requiem event called him " the strongest warrior in human history". Hans compared him to Cu Alter. The man is basted, people often look down on him, cause they don't know the whole context of his fights with Salter and Gil.
Heracles sword name Myarmadose, made by Heasphaetus or Vulcan. After the death of Heracles, the sword went with his descendants to Roman, and later on to Briton before Arthur's age, the sword belong to king Reince of North Wales, strongest of 11 rebel kings, he defeated by Sir Balin and yielded the sword to Arthur. This is where the "Arthur favor this sword and gave Excalibur to Gawain" happened Fun fact: king Rience sometime identical with Rhitta, a giant whose Britomart's father
I dunno. I feel there should be more for Heracles. The whole “berserkers can only grunt” has been forgotten for a long time now, with only Eric, Lancelot, Lu Bu, and Fran(majority of the time) being the examples. Literally every other berserker can talk normally. Not to mention it’s strange that Berserker Heracles doesn’t get all his weapons yet Raikou and Lu Bu do.
There’s an Archer and Avenger Heracles, issue is they’re from Strange Fake which means they’re not going to be in FGO until it’s done as per the author’s request
Eh, it depends on Madness Enhancment level. For example most who have a D Rank without having an insane trigger, have trouble thinking and talking clearly. I forgot but Heracles has either a C or B.
If i am remembering this correctly, Heracles was summoned using a rock from one of his ruined temples. After being summoned, he shaped that rock into that mace-axe thing that he wields in battle. Also, Alcides (Avenger Heracles) for some reason has a Noble Phantasm named 'Reincarnation Pandora' that steals other Servant's Noble Phantasm for his own use and renders them useless for the original user.
That's probably because Heracles, as mentioned in the video, has a bit of a reputation for stealing treasures during his twelve labors. This would make Reincarnation Pandora yet another NP based on his myth similar to Nine Lives and God Hand. His versatility as a warrior also means he can be deadly with anything from his bare hands, a stick of wood, and a chunk of stone to legendary weapons which can be wielded by no other which means even something like Excalibur could be tamed by Heracles.
ironically Heracles was also strict with his morals, in the Argonautica he would reprimand Jason quite a few times, especially when they waste weeks on the isle of women, this was also a factor in Heracles leaving the Argonauts, that and his lover being killed, i think in the Aeneid he is also mentioned a few times but by that time he no longer walked the earth of course in Fate Heracles actually seems to use his bow much more often, during his labor with the Stymphalian Birds it's implied or maybe even straight up said that he shot them down whereas in the original myth he asks Hephaestus to make some bronze clamps (the instrument) for him which he then uses to scare away the birds, we also actually get to see Nine Lives being used with a bow in the finale of Prisma Illya 2wei (2wei Herz finale in the anime) in Strange Fake it is also explained that even outside of the Berserker class, Heracles doesn't really have access to all the tools of his labors and only really gets God Hand and Nine Lives (the latter he doesn't even have as a Berserker) as his noble phantasms, however when he looses his divinity and assumes his human form with his birth name Alcides he actually gets access to 12 nps in exchange for loosing God Hand, the Nemean Lion skin is explained to be a sort of symbol of nature or wildness and thus rejects all manmade things, the only weapons or attacks that can penetrate it would have to be made by the planet itself or maybe a divine spirit both in Lostbelt 2 and Prisma Illya 3rei it is also very clearly shown that Heracles definitely retained a strong bond with Illya regardless of the timeline, it became engraved in his spirit origin, though maybe it only pops up when he manifests as a Berserker, we don't know yet, i think his bond ce in fgo fits very well because of this, it's a unique quality to his character that only exists within the Nasuverse and very much deserved it's own sort of recognition there's also some interesting insight into how Heracles sees the world in the fgo Turas Realta manga, there we not only get flashbacks to when Jason met him but also how Berserker Heracles chooses his priorities
Well a few things: Heracles is the Greek Version of the character, if they meant for him to be Roman or a mix between the 2, he'd have the Roman tag. Berserker is honestly one of Heracles' weaker classes, Archer being his strongest. The Heracles Alter we get in Strange Fake, Alcides, is rather interesting. First off, they used his less known Mortal Name Alcides before it was changed to apease Hera. This version of him actually scorns both God and Man alike and wears a shawl to sheild himself from the ugliness of the world. Since he scorned the Gods in the version, he lost Access to the 12 Labours Phantasm every other Version would have, instead he gains 12 unique Phantasms, each representing one of the 12 labours. I'm not sure what they are and all of them haven't been shown but it would be the first time we'd see him use any of these.
More than losing access to it, Alcides purposefully discards everything that linked him to his divine half, including God Hand. So the container is forced to make a new Twelve Labors Noble Phantasm just to fill the gap he himself threw away.
Heracles sword name Myarmadose, made by Heasphaetus or Vulcan. After the death of Heracles, the sword went with his descendants to Roman, and later on to Briton before Arthur's age, the sword belong to king Reince of North Wales (or Gore), strongest of 11 rebel kings, he was defeated by Sir Balin and yielded the sword to Arthur. This is where the "Arthur favor this sword and gave Excalibur to Gawain" happened Fun fact: king Rience sometime identical with Rhitta, a giant whose Britomart's father
Heracles made the world safe for mankind he had a tragic life at the same time he was the strongest and greatest hero in greek mythos 1 He strangled two snakes when he was a baby to protect his twin brother 2 Heracles created the Milky Way as the baby, lol 3 Amphitryon, his foster father, taught him how to drive a chariot 4 Autolycus the notorious thief, the grandfather of Odysseus, taught him Wrestling 5 Castor one the Dioscuri, a renowned horseman, tutored Heracles not only in combat strategy and cavalry tactics, but the art of fencing as well 6 Harpalycus, son of Hermes' taught him boxing 7 Chiron, perhaps the only Centaur (half-human, half-horse) who had a reputation for tenderness, refinement, and wisdom, taught him manners, decorum, and medical arts 8 Eumolpus, founder of the Eleusinian Mysteries, schooled the young hero in both singing and playing the lyre 9 Eurytus, a renowned bowman,taught him archery 10 Linus, son of Ismenius (a river god), introduced him to literature, reading and writing 11 Heracles killed the Nemean Lion by strangling him with his hands since none of his weapons would work. After killing the creature, he skinned him using the lion's own claws and wore the skin as protection from attacks. 12 The monstrous, nine-headed hydra, a water-snake that ravaged the countryside. As soon as Heracles cut off one head, two more appeared in its place. With the help of Iolaus, Heracles finally killed the creature by cauterizing the necks with a burning torch. 13 Fire breathing Cerynitian Hind was a golden-horned deer sacred to the goddess Artemis. Herakles was sent to fetch it as one of his twelve labours. After chasing the animal for a full year, he finally captured it on Mount Artemision in Arcadia. 14 The Stymphalian birds are man-eating birds with beaks of bronze, sharp metallic feathers they could launch at their victims, and poisonous dung. Climbing a nearby mountain, Heracles clashed a krotala loudly, scaring the birds out of the trees, then shot them with bow and arrow, or possibly with a slingshot, as they took flight 15 Achelous an Aetolian river-god. He was defeated by Heracles in a wrestling match when the pair vied for the hand of Deianeira in marriage. 16 Alkyoneus, the king of the Thracian giants. He was immortal within the bounds of his land, but Heracles incapacitated him with arrows and dragged him beyond the border to die. 17 Aetos Kaukasios is a giant eagle that is fed on the ever-regenerating liver of the Prometheus. Heracles slew it and released the Titan from his unbreakable chains. 18 Karkinos a giant monstrous crab that inhabited the swamps of Lerna. It assisted the Hydra in the fight with Heracles but was crushed beneath the hero's heel. 19 Antaios, a Libyan giant who drew his strength directly from the earth. He challenged Heracles to a wrestling death match but was defeated when the hero lifted him from the earth and crushed him. 20 Askalaphos, the orchadist of Hades, who was buried beneath a rock by the goddess Demeter. Heracles released him from his prison when he travelled to the underworld in the quest for Cerberus. 21 Bousiris, a King of Egypt who sacrificed foreigners to the gods. Heracles was captured but broke his bonds and slew the king. 22 Kakos a fire-breathing giant of Latium. When Heracles was returning to Greece with the cattle of Geryon, Cacus stole from the herd and was slain by the hero. 23 Cerberus the hound of Hades who guarded the entrance to the underworld. Heracles was sent to fetch the beast as one of his twelve labours and captured it with the approval of the goddess Persephone. 24 Kerkopes a pair of gnomes bandits. Heracles captured them in the service of Queen Omphale, but when they amused him with their jokes, he let them go. 25 Cycnus, a bandit son of Ares who murdered travellers passing through Itonus. Supported by the war god, he challenged Heracles to combat but was defeated. 26 Eurytion a centaur who forced the Olenian king into letting him marry his daughter Mnesimache. Heracles, however, arrived on the wedding day and slew the beast. 27 Geras the god of old age. He was defeated in a match by Heracles 28 Drakon Maionios, a giant serpent that terrorized the region around Sagaris. It was slain by Heracles in the service of Queen Omphale. 29 Nessus a centaur who ferried passengers across the River Evenus. Heracles entrusted his wife Deianeira to the centaur, but he attempted to rape the woman and was shot dead by the hero. 30 Orthros A two-headed dog which guarded the cattle of Geryon. It was slain by Heracles when he came to fetch the cattle. 31 Geryon, a three-bodied beast with enormous dragon-like wings with the paws of a bear or lion, the body of a wyvern, and a scorpion ..who possessed a herd of fabulous red-skinned cattle. Heracles was sent to fetch these as one of his labours and slew the king. 32 Drakon Hesperios a hundred-headed dragon, which guarded the golden apples of the Hesperides. Heracles slew it when he came in quest of the treasure. 33 Periclymenus) was the eldest of the son of King Neleus of Pylos, who was granted the ability to change his shape by his grandfather Poseidon. When Herakles attacked the kingdom, Periklymenos assumed the form of a lion, an ant, a snake, a swarm of bees, and an eagle but was nevertheless vanquished by the hero. 34 Sauros, a bandit who plagued the Elean Ridge of Saurus slain by Heracles. 35 Thanatos, the god of death. Heracles defeated him in a wrestling match when he came to fetch the soul of Alcestis to the Underworld. 36 Ketos Troias, a monster sent by Poseidon to ravage the kingdom of Troy. King Laomedon offered his daughter as a sacrifice to the beast, but Heracles rescued her and despatched the creature. 37 Heracles encountered Scylla during a journey to Sicily and slew her. Her father, the sea-god Phorcys, then applied flaming torches to her body and restored her to life. 38 Heracles killed the Boreads sons of the north wind they were supernaturally gifted in different ways (depending on changes in the story from being passed down through generations and cultures) either being as fast as the wind or able to fly, having wings either on their feet or backs, depending on the myth. 39 Heracles shoots the Sun god Helios and makes the Strait of Gibraltar 40 Heracles defeated the Hydra using the harpe sword, and he gets the Aegis shield of Zeus when he is fighting the giants Albion and Bergion, his bow was given to him by Apollo, his hydra venom arrows can harm Hades when he was attacking the city of Pylos 41 He wrestled with Apollo. In the Delphic cavern, Apollo came down to fight Heracles, but the two stalemated. Zeus dropped in and tried to break up the feuding brothers (Apollo and Hercules are, after all, half-brothers by Zeus). And as parents are often forced to do, Zeus decided that it would be best to separate the brothers, hurling one of his mighty thunderbolts between them. 42 Heracles defeat Ares with the help of Athena 43 When Heracles was finishing the Olympian contest, he summoned any willing participant to wrestle. Since no one dared take up the challenge, Zeus entered disguised as a man, and after a long time - the two opponents being equally matched - he revealed himself to his son.” 44 Heracles becomes the protector of the buddha, and he gains the powerful Vajra as a weapon 45 Heracles' feat of lifting the heavens in Greek mythology is often depicted as a display of immense strength and is considered one of his most impressive feats. 46 Nephele goddess of clouds brought heavy rain to try and stop him from massacring the centaurs, it did not work 47 Hippolyta A queen of the Amazons, daughter of the war-god Ares. Heracles was sent to fetch her belt of power as one of his twelve labours and slew her in the battle. 48 Menoetes was an underworld daimon (spirit) and cattle-herder of the god Hades. Herakles wrestled him for his cattle and broke his ribs but was commanded by Persephone to let him go. 49 He fought against an army of six armed Gegenees giants until he was helped by the Argonauts 50 Zeus enrolled him among the twelve Olympian gods but that he would not accept this honour; for it was impossible for him thus to be enrolled unless one of the twelve gods were first cast out; hence in his eyes it would be monstrous for him to accept an honour which involved depriving another god of his honour..
Fun fact: Heracles final mortal wife's name literally means "Husband killer" in Greek. Yup, Heracles is waving the red flag with vigor the moment he married her.
In Strange Fake Heracles has 2 more Noble Phantasms. Kings Order which is a different interpretation of God's Hand trading 12 lives for a unique Ability tied to each of the Labors, and Reincarnation Pandora which allows him to Usurp other servants Noble Phantasms basically stealing them though he only has this NP as an Avenger
actually the name of Heracles sword is Marmyadose which was a gift bestowed to him by Zeus/Jupiter and later be used by Artoria(Caster) in her 3rd Ascension form so if Heracles would be summoned as a Saber his NP would be Marymyadose
I can't wait for Heracles Archer (or Alcides as they call in in Strange Fake). I'm pretty sure if he wasn't a Divine Spirit Alcides would be the Grand Archer or at least one of the candidate for the class
I remember in the scene with Heracles and Illya outside the castle, Illya was surounded by wolf or something and she did get hurt. So for me, Heracles saving Illya there was not just simply fulfill his duty as a protector, but as a father as well, since he couldn't protect his family before. Maybe Illya is the connection to what's left of his humanity in that madness-driven mind.
Man i keeping pointing it out, in a game full of servants with different classes(looking at you Arthur) Heracles not getting at least 3(not including archer) other classes is disappointing. Like imagine a rider heracles that summons the animals from his labours or saber heracles(lily/teen) that use a club/sword/ harpe(apparently he used that) while sipping some of heras milk for an attack boost
Heracles Archer Does a lot of summons, but there is this one time when He summon Cerberus but bcuz the Enemy was somewhat a regent of the Underworld somewhat like the Grim Reaper just use its skills and Autority over It and take control of the poor animal. Wich is a good use of afinity considering Cerberus was Hades pet. The enemy was the Horseman of pestilence, at least is what we think.
@@adraxer1365 wait you right, I forgot archer herc can do that, now I'm wondering how his rider form could look like. Maybe his younger self riding a chariot
The Grand Berserker in the heart of all Fate Stay Night fans. I always liked him since I first saw him in Deen Stay Night and he become one of my favorite characters. No matter when he appear, he pulls off a great fight. That's why I have him already at lv100 on my Chaldea and I'm working on the 2k fou.
I subscribe to Illya and Berserker's bond as more Illya wanting a protector figure like the father she lost and Hercules having a chance to take care of a surrogate child like he was denied in his myth. I really do wish more bond CEs functioned like his, most of the others are such minor buffs and terrible states just just sad. Even if we could just buff theirs stats a lot more would be usable. so fun fact the sword that Hercules and ONLY Hercules could wield in myth Marmyadose is also wielded by King Arthur who was told by Merlin it just wasn't worth using because they couldn't draw out even a fraction of its full strength which would be stronger than Excalibur BUT that is the sword staff that Castoria wields in her final ascension so who knows about fairy Arthur being able to draw out that strength lol.
On the topic of the nemaen lion, he does have it in his archer from, but ti's unrelated to his invulnerability in Fate. That version is more like an extra boon given to him from completing his tweleve labors that is a side effect of the god hand. It negates all attacks lower then B rank The actual pelt negates all damage from attacks made from manmade weapons. Essentially it's the servants invulnerability to modern weapons taken up to all of history.
The fun thing about Heracles mind eye is that the Berserker have the fake and the other classes have the true, because with his mental capacity intact he does have learned skills to grant true mind eye, but with the mad enchantment, he lose way to access to most of those skills, so only his innate talent remain, granting him the fake
Ah so, here’s the thing about that Axe/sword/club thing. That was forged by the Einsberns specifically for Heracles to wield. (That’s why his Craft Essence says: “Temporary resting place of the sword”.) It’s very likely his Third Ascension weapon is also something made for him in the present day by Chaldea. But why he would be summoned with it though? I’ve a theory that the events of Fuyuki City has had a significant effect on the Throne of Heroes. Normally Servants shouldn’t have any knowledge of what happened during a Holy Grail War but from what we’ve seen in FGO and beyond, that isn’t the case. So just like how Lancelot has the guns and fighter jet from Zero, that blade from Stay Night has now become a part of Heracles’ Spirit Origin
Heracles is one of those heroes impossible to misrepresent, even the silliest depictions of him do get at least something right. You cannot go wrong with big muscle himbo monster slayer, although I like that Fate gets closer to the tragic side of the character as well, since Heracles is one damn unlucky guy who spent all his life trying to amend his sins.
At this point I think FGO would add Caster Heracles Lily with his lyre or something lol. While I wanted Archer Heracles, overtime I became more interested in a Saber Heracles with Marmyadose because the sword only exists in Arthurian Legends but was described as comparable to Excalibur by Arthur in them. Also Nagakura Shinpachi has a strangely out of place voice line for Berserker Heracles where he says Herc must not just be strong but also "helluva swordsman." Now a Lancer Heracles? This could be unique as in one story, Heracles used a shield forged by Hephaestus and a spear to kill a guy named Cycnus. But considering Nasu loves syncretism a little too much, to the point where it starts getting fanfictiony ridiculous to me, there's a chance that Lancer Heracles could be based off the Buddhist aspect of Heracles. When Buddhism made its way to Greece, Heracles was synchronized with a figure named Vajrapani, the bodyguard of The Buddha. And Vajrapani-Heracles is depicted as wielding a diamond club or thunderbolt.
Neat! I do have in my in-game comments "Crazy Yurie @RU-vid" in the thin hope that it might get unrelated people to take a peek. I wonder how many have actually looked?
@@CrazyYurie Yeah I saw, actually not how I came across it though. All algorithm on this one. Couple of people with their youtube links om my FL and the ones I did go to look at were largely abandoned so I stopped. Yours seems to be doing rather well.
It’s a shame that Heracles is reduced to just roaring. Although it was rare, there was at least 2 (3 if we count Emiya’s fight but it was off screen and I can’t remember if he spoke then or not) occasions in fate/stay night when he spoke briefly which shows that he’s not incapable of it and most of his expressions and mannerisms portrays what hes trying to get across. So It would be nice if fgo gave him his pupils back and some more dynamic poses to convey what he’s trying to say; maybe give of at least one line where he actually says something by bond 10-10+.
My main issue with Hercules they keep teasing the idea a stronger version of him they even say Berserker is one of his weaker classes and his Archer and saber are vastly superior to him in every way In fairness strange fake is power craps a lot having the ability of God had his Hydra arrows inability to summon all of the mythical creatures used to feed it and Castor Arthur final extension is wielding the sword his sword saving it to be a weapon physically Superior than Excalibur but we have a single picture of him having it I think Hercules showed up too soon 3 or 5 years later we would have seen the man who can rival Grand servants with nothing more than Talent then his own
It is very sad how much "other spins" Heracles receives in Fate. Not even another Berserker depictions/stories, but also in the other classes. I would LOVE to see him as a Saber, for example, or as an "not corrupt Archer". And also I wish his BF Iolaus was made into a Servant (and be kept as a male)
I think that golden weapon in third ascen.. is Hercules sickle Not only in our holy Athens [185] are there halls of the gods with beautiful columns, and worship of Apollo who guards the streets; but also in the house of Loxias, Leto's son, there is a light of two countenances, with lovely eyes. [190] Look! come see, the son of Zeus is killing the Lernean Hydra with a golden sickle; my dear, look at it!
When I fought Qin Shi Huang in Lostbelt three, Heracles was my last Servant standing, and in my mind for that last leg before winning the fight, I was blasting He Comes Again and Again.
I am not sure if the melusine is supposed to be u or just her reactin to what u say. I choose the latter cause her “reactions” come as funny most of the time for me 😂
I always show who is next at the end of the video - except in two cases where one time it was a surprise (Nobbu), and another I honestly hadn't decided yet (Melu)
Ngl I dunno when fgo will make a fsf collab. Also if they do that collab how many servants and masters will tehy integrate like is it. 3 masters 3 servants I asked this one since Alcidies is one of those servants that shoulf be integrated and fgo
● *Isnt it an explicit fact, that* : ★ 【 *BERSERKER is HERACLES / HERCULES WEAKEST Possible class he can be summoned as ‽‽‽▪︎‽‽‽▪︎‽‽‽* 】 ★ ★ *Hence, we have only ever seen Heracles / Hercules summoned in his weakest form !¡!* ● *A Random mindless, animalistic brute that completely weakens and does injustice to the grand hero of legendary yore ! Yet, he was still so strong even when summoned in his weakest state !¡!* ( *idk if i am remembering wrong, but i am pretty sure thay was stated as fact beforw !¡!* )
That is certainly part of it - this is already my second longest video in this series. But also the Avenger version seemed different enough that it probably needs its own video.
A lot of things can be wonky for heracles. For example, there’s this hymn about Heracles. Hear, powerful, Herakles untamed and strong, to whom vast hands and mighty works belong, Almighty Titan, prudent and benign, of various forms, eternal and divine, Father of Time, the theme of general praise, ineffable, adored in various ways. Magnanimous in divination skilled and in the athletic labours of the field. ‘Tis yours, strong archer, all things to devour, supreme, all-helping, all-producing power; To you mankind as their deliverer pray, whose arm can chase the savage tribes away: Unwearied, earth’s best blossom, offspring fair, to whom calm peace, and peaceful works are dear. Self-born, with primogenial fires, you shine, and various names and strength of heart are yours. Your mighty head supports the morning light and bears untamed, the silent gloomy night; From east to west imbued with strength divine, twelve glorious labours to absolve were yours; Supremely skilled, you reign in heaven’s abodes, yourself a God amidst the immortal Gods. With arms unshaken, infinite, divine, come, blessed power, and to our rites incline; The mitigations of disease convey and drive disastrous maladies away. Come, shake the branch with your almighty arm, dismiss your darts and noxious fate disarm. Unless I’m reading it wrong, that would mean that he could predict the future, control time, heal people,shapeshift, reject bad fate, and possibly have pyrokinesis and he was physically the strongest god among all the gods of Olympus
