How An Atheist Scholar Misleads Millions Of People: The Mark Series pt 65 ( 

@@tomdebevoise Your opinion.

I don't know what you mean by MML&J but you make a good point. And that is one reason why one person might only mention three crosses where others mention more than three crosses. For example. One of the apparent contradictions in the New Testament.

@@robertbrown6879 MML&J = Matthew Mark Luke & John

@@tomdebevoise Says who? I believe it was written earlier.

@@tomdebevoise So, have you a profound wish that you're living and breathing? I believe in God and in the resurrection of Yeshua because it is true.

Bart Ehrman made a full rebuttal to this video, should check it out

I read his book When Jesus became the Messiah. OMWord!! The dumbest stuff. I was expecting something that makes this man's creds real. People who listen to him are willing to risk their eternal salvation on words like "might have been, could really mean, maybe it happened, ect". Very sad.

​@@littlenaro1700 there's no rebutted he can give to take back the words he himself already spoke.

@@jessepolkjr7067 It is up to the people to discern what is true and what is not. I do not fault Bart whatsoever. He has questions like many of us Christian do. Having questions does not or is not suppose to turn you away from your faith. It suppose to further solidies your faith because you search the truth and you find it. We as Christian should not be such a snowflake to question as if we will disintegrateif someone questions our faith. Jesus himself questions the Jewish orthodoxy so why cant we question.

@noorzanayasmin7806 I didn't say anything about not having questions. 💁‍♀️

How did atheists mislead you? I don't. And I'm pretty sure most other atheists. Do not "mislead" people. Because we don't believe as you do. And voice our disbelief. Is not misleading you. Be accountable to yourself. Don't blame others if you question your faith. Atheists are human beings! Being Christian does not make you superior to those who don't believe as you do. Or don't believe at all.

How do you know that?

​@chadmccoy8032 what do you mean by asking that? What answer do you want to hear?

@@texastea5686 the truth.

He told you the truth.

That has always been my understanding of how events transpired.

I'd look into how crucifixion works before venturing an opinion.

@Jesus the fraud God wait, so Josephus overrides all the authors (plural) of the NT because?

@Jesus the fraud God So because someone else said the same thing, before you said it, that means you dont exist?

@Jesus the fraud God Nativity story retelling of exodus obviously nothing to do with Buddhism. Walking on water referring to Gods ability to do so recorded in the ot. Instead of listening to the lies of demons ask Jesus to help you believe

That’s probably because you have faith goggles on!

Me neither! That was very strange!

@@davethebrahman9870 The shock is an assumption - just one possible explanation. It is also not one that fits the rest of the context (as covered in this video). Obviously everyone has such ‘glasses’ since everyone has a worldview and/or motivations that influences how they interpret things; it is not exclusive to one side.

Or it’s because His silence was prophesied in Isaiah 53. If you want to attack that chapter just know it was also found in the Dead Sea Scrolls written just like it is in our Bibles today. The scrolls chemical dated over 100 years before Jesus was born. Repent and believe

@@mitchellcollins7370 I hesistate to burst your confidence, Mr Collins, but your contention is false. The Isaiah text from Qumran differs from the standard masoretic texts in thousands of places, although it is true to saythat it seems to be based on the same textual tradition. What really explodes your conclusion is the Jeremiah text that agrees with the LXX in being 7 chapters shorter than the one in your bible.

And those people just believe in the bible.

@@edgarmatzinger9742 it’s always funny when atheists make these little snarky comments, we’re not going to lose our temper. But what we are going to do is pray for you my guy

​@@-0-___good for you that you won't lose your temper. perhaps you are reasonable. That's good. You do realize however that many Christians lose their temper. When someone doesn't accept their beliefs. There is so much anger out there against atheists. Why? Because we don't believe in what they believe? Bart is not misleading anyone. He is honest. He points out contradictions in the bible. The flaws in theology etc. He realizes this when it comes to religion. "Everybody can't be right. But everybody can be wrong".

Proud of you 👍

You poor baby, you couldn't handle the idea that you might just be wrong and some one might be able to open your eyes. I hope you were able to spend your new found free time in Bible study, listening to internet apologetics... soo much more informative, lol

@@sinjinbritt3371 the point here is being upfront. If he does not believe the Bible, then he should cut any studies on the Bible, and declare himself full atheist.

@@markgilrosales6366 You literally have no idea what Bart Ehrman's role is as a professor. He teaches textual studies, which is higher education for students who want to take their bible scholarship to the highest level. Professor Ehrman has NEVER tried to influence anyone's religion. His only role is to teach everything there is to know about the bible and it's creation from a historical perspective. His announcement to the class is an indication that they are going to be as shocked as he was as a student when he learned what he now teaches. He has actually said that his studies are NOT the reason he eventually became an atheist.

I assume you would’ve stayed had he said “well my goal for this course is to feed and add to your confirmation bias INSTEAD OF challenging your world view like a good teacher by teaching you to look critically at some text that you might otherwise not examine so critically.” Lol

facts!

Amen

Normally, any ancient document is considered highly accurate if it has a accuracy of 95%. Highly accurate ancient documents are rare, most of them doesn't even come close to this bar. However, the new Testament manuscripts have a accuracy of 99.5%(The 99.5 accuracy figure is determined by scholars who compared the greek, latin,Syriac, Slavic, Gothic, Ethiopic, Coptic and Armenian manuscripts) It is all about interpretation guys. When Bart Ehrman is touching about errors of the new Testament, he is actually referring to the other 0.5%. And even out of the 0.5%, 0.4% are just errors like spelling mistakes and now we are only left with 0.1% which is currently unresolved. But as Bart Ehrman himself admitted in his book that the 0.1% doesn't in any way affect Christian doctrine. And with the latest research done by people like James Snapp, the remaining 0.1% have also been refuted by many scholars but there is still resistance, so it may take time to get widely accepted. P.s - We should thank early Christians for preserving the ancient documents as best as they can eventhough they were faced with persecution.

You mean treating Christianity like a _myth._

@@nsptech9773 HOW did you come to conclude that the NT manuscripts have a 99.5% accuracy? What sources have you compared?

exactly

Bingo

bible misleading people...there was no biblical Jesus, none! zero! a myth! non existed in real life...

@@patasnamananaliksik6053 troll

@@patasnamananaliksik6053 really?😅

I experienced the same emotions. My frustration turned to anger at. his deception.

The Paulogia / Ehrman response to this video is sorely lacking. Bart continues to push the idea that Mark implies "Jesus says nothing" along his journey to the cross. As Mike points out, the entire point of Mark's Gospel is NOT to describe what Jesus said. It is instead to describe what was done TO Jesus by others. Just because Mark doesn't record all of Jesus's words doesn't mean what is recorded in the other Gospels didn't happen. To imply otherwise is narrative--pushing. Bart repeatedly says "You have to pay attention to what Mark says." Even if the other Gospels didn't exist, Bart's narrative construction about what Mark is "trying to say" fails the literary test. He himself admits Mike's point about Jesus NOT being surprised about what's happening to him due to the fact that he predicted what would happen to him. There is no contradiction between the Gospel or Mark and the Gospel of Luke, unless you believe that Mark choosing not to record Jesus's words is evidence that Jesus didn't actually say them. This is the only logical way to make sense of Bart's position in the opening video clip.

Mike Winger, may the LORD continue to blessed you with the delight for HIS word. 🙏🙏✝️🔥🛐🤲

What would be more keeping with Jesus character that he felt forsaken on the cross by his father or that he was using his last moments in great physical distress to try and speak and preach and teach his people one last time in person.

@@davidboyer2290 Both. Jesus is also fully human and felt the weight and consequences of sin as it laid on Him to bear. The sins of the world were put up there on the cross through Jesus. The Father cannot look on sin, so He had to turn away. But in keeping with Jesus also being God, His words never fails to present spiritual truth.

Thank you very much Mike Winger! You did do that!

​@Chumnley snoop whatever do you mean? I have been a Southern Baptist and as far as I know the only thing they have changed is they are teaching Calvinism now. I am not sure how you are classifying evangelical, but I proclaim the gospel of Christ as a now independent Baptist.

No, uneducated gullible person. You really need to read books.

As forensic investigators say: Absence of evidence is not evidence. :)

@@Myrdden71 No, the scholars are not making an argument from silence and anyone who imagines so is uneducated & dishonest.

Hey! I didn't expect to see you here. I'm glad you watch this channel too. I find it to be very informative. And, yeah, it's astonishing how even the most highly acclaimed scientists, scholars, and philosophers will resort to basic fallacies and obvious lies to erase the cognitive dissonance that arises when they have to consider that they might, in fact, be the one in the wrong. Admitting you're the bad guy is never easy, and it certainly wasn't for me, but it's the only way to truly make sense of this wicked, wicked world. All we can do hold fast in our assurance of His grace, and pray that others find it, the same way we have. Take care! :)

@@sentientflower7891 wheres your evidence? Barts conspiracies? Barts assertions? We can all study the new testament without needing bart's opinion. All he does are create theories... mark never said Jesus was in shock... this is bart's assertion. Tell me in text where it says that Jesus was in shock.. Tell me where we can find anonymous gospel? The guys trash..

Excellent!

Depend on the scholars, Christian conservatives ones say that it was written early like in the 50s, some say 60, other 70 and some 80.

This, the OP, is exactly and precisely Dr.Ehrman's conclusion. There is no commentary on the theological truth of the Bible, but just the assertion that the writers of the Gospels may not be who most Christians think they might be.

I consider him to be an antichrist

actually, Bert Ehrman reflects the mainstream of biblical scholarship., biblical scholarship isn't an attempt to deceive anyone, it's a scientific endeavor. It uses empirical methods,, clearly you have no idea how biblical scholarship operates

he either didnt read it or he was blind by his own vain imaginations when he did

@Roger Mills Incorrect. The separation from God is part of the punishment that awaits unrepentant sinners. He experienced that on our behalf.

@Roger Mills You’ve never studied WHY Christ said that and what it meant?

@Roger Mills Which theory best explains the Christian faith to you? As in, why did Christianity come to existence?

@Roger Mills Well it is truth that most of the people were illiterate but that doesn't mean all of them. The author of the gospel received a Greek education and a rabbinic one. I may be incorrect in this one, but m'en had to recite some verse of the Torah, maybe not a big part of it, but at least a major part. In the book of Acts, Luke refers to a certain person who helped Paul to recover is view. This one actually was a Rabbai, but was mainly erased from their writing at the time. But he is mentioned as a Prophet and a friend of Herode. Everyone said that Paul made Christianity but they don't understand that Paul was called for the Gentiles because he knew way more than the other apostles. He knew about Greek philosophy and has a Roman nationality if I remember correctly. For the rest Luke and Matthew may know how to write and were educated. At least Luke. The rest were fisherman but they had something others did not, a humble heart. Paul did not copy past all the word of Christ. Paul writings were hard to understand even to his fellow apostles. He did taught was Jesus said, but in a different wording. For example in 1 Corinthians 9 is talking about those who preach the gospel should received their living from the gospel. When Jesus sent the 72 disciples Luke 10: 3-8. Jesus told them to receive the food they will be given. Because they go to preach thr Gospel without "a purse or bad or sandal". So he is not wrong in what he is saying. We need to remember that at that time, the disciples didn't "publish" I may say the Gospel. They shared what they experimented and in order to make the story know to everyone (imagine no TV, no phone, you have to go from kilometers to hear a man told you a story of some Jesus of Nazareth), they decided to put in on paper. Some say that Mark learned from Peter, Luke stated in the beginning that he met countless eyewitnesses etc. Reason why some name are named in some gospel and not in others. Reason can be that they were still living at the time and were tracked (like how Paul killed the first Christians). That is also something. Paul was the detractor of the Church. Pretty happy to kill some blasphemous Christian in the name of the most High. Reason why he turned out so fired up for Christ. Jesus said so one time in Luke 7:47 talking about the woman who wiped his feet with her tears. Paul has been forgiven the blood of Jesus's followers hence he has loved Jesus much and was ready to die for him. I understand your unbelief. Sometimes also I wake up and I'm like "This thing is crazy". But God worked hard enough for me to stop believing. I pray that you may also find the Lord.

You haven't read the book?

As they say, a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. That's Ehrman.

@@Myrdden71 stop lying and read the material before commenting and slandering.

Ehrman is correct. The crucifixion scene in Mark is completely different from any of the other Gospels, and he clearly suffers more in Mark. So what's the beef?

@@scambammer5940 these people don't read. Not even their own Bible.

that isn't inconsistent with what ehrman said

I would encourage you to double check the text, and read: Matthew 27:46 Mark 15:34 Luke 23:46 John 19:30

You are taking Psalms 22 out of context. That chapter is not talking about a future Messiah. You can't take some words out of context from someplace and apply it somewhere else as a proof text. That is why we have over 2000 denominations in just the USA alone. Ask any Jew what Psalms 22 means and they'll be happy to tell you.

@@Michael-le5ph It literally is about the Messiah. It is a prophetic connection that the Messiah would, like David before Him, suffer at the hands of His enemies and appear forsaken by God. Psalm 22 is understood by Christians, and was understood by Jews of the time, to be a prophetic prediction of the Messiah.

@@Michael-le5ph Judaism today isn’t the same as Judaism before Christ. That’s a common misconception. Jews today have gone through the Old Testament and changed their interpretation of everything that applies to Jesus. They also moved Daniel from the prophets to the writings and try to discredit its authenticity. This is because Daniel predicts exactly the year in which the messiah will come

@Blah Blahblah 😆

Do you not know Mike is “supposing” that the text in the Bible is trustworthy

Hello, Sandy. Having grown up with a distrust of organized religion before I accepted Christ, I would encourage you to test all your church's interpretation agains the scriptures themselves. This applies to all church interpretations ,including mine. What Erhman says in this clip is academically laughable: it makes no sense unless someone is ignorant what Mark and Luke actually say! Erhman is forcing the two texts to contradict each other in ways that are imaginary, by focusing on unrelated details. Yes, there are some apparent contradictions between the four Gospels at times, but not what he says in this 3-minute clip. Why should I put my faith in Erhman when I can read the Gospels on my own? Sincerely, Raul

@@MakeChangeNow You mean instead of blindly assuming it is not reliable?

@@raulscott5149 One would expect scholars to have looked and found for themselves that it’s not trustworthy

Spoken like a true atheist. Your make an unsubstantiated claim with no proof even offered in your own defense.@@MakeChangeNow

That’s a solid catch brother! God bless!

You’re a better person than me to pray for Bart as he has such an open contention for the gospel, while you’re praying for him remember also to pray for those whom he deceives, that they also may be pulled back from the fire to salvation.🙏🏽👼🏼🕊

I get the impression Bart is wounded about something and is skeptical because he is using it to be willfully disobedient

@@Ka112eb I get that impression too, and Jesus does say, that they will not come to the light, because their deeds are evil, this man Bart, loves his sins,and he is trying to bring as many as he can along with him to hell.

This is the correct approach. Better than getting mad. That's what I did.

It’s also a cut up clip as you can see. Bart gives quotes from Jesus’s last words (different in each gospel) and other examples. Maybe watch the actual clip or lecture to see his full argument.

Strawman, but advanced.

@@CyberManor the three minute clip was given to us unedited first, then edited to condense the time of the video. But what was being said was intentionally misleading from what the Bible says. I believe Mike did a very good job here proving your comment incorrect.

@@chadasonmcgraw8097 It’s not intentionally misleading. This view is pretty common in scholarship. The description of this event is portrayed differently in Mark and Luke.

@@CyberManor But that argument is intentionally misleading. I mean no disrespect, but who said they needed to be the exact same? These were written by different apostles with different perspectives focusing on the major tenants of Christianity. None of which actually contradicts itself. The basis of the argument is based on a misleading bit of information that does not follow the logic.

Those are devil horns in your comment! Some say that means I love you. But, apparently, an occultist made this and the other symbols. And, it's ironic that an occultist would formulate the devil horns symbol to mean I love you. Where did she get it from? It's used by celebs that don't need sign language period!

yes ...a valuable industry to protect..

Thank you for your comment to Mike and his staff of truly gifted people, who we never see. Your hand signal emoji is definitely understood within the context of your sentence as 'you rock.' 'You rock!' could also be demonized just as the hand symbol. But you use both to emphasize Mike is doing an excellent job. He is. 😊 Just like language, some hand gestures can mean different things to different people. Ever look up the word "pious "? Lol. I think it is very appropriate for this conversation. 🖖

I see, absolutely none of the books or letters in the bible has been dated by the authors, the vast majority don't mention the authors, but you find this historical. Then you find the words of Jesus inspirational. Obviously you don't read much.

@@bartbannister394 whoa whoa whoa.... when I have no verifiable and falsifiable evidence..... I rely on ....."scripture"....

@@kl7985 Scripture? Muslims have scripture, so do Jews. So...?

@@bartbannister394 Yes. When I want to know what's wrong with the Muslims I can just ask a Jew. When I want to know what's wrong with Christians I can just ask a Muslim, etc. etc. Pick and choose whatever verses you enjoy and ignore the rest. These "holy scriptures" aren't worth the paper they are currently written on.

​@Bart Bannister So let me get this straight: By your logic, if a book doesn't mention how old it is, there's no possible way to tell how old it is?

But Matthew and Luke both copied from Mark ... That is a fact and understood

@@tonyturek4596 A story is told of a school teacher asking her pupils to write about their pet. The teacher read their accounts, and said to one little boy, ‘You have written the same description of you dog as your brother. You must have copied his work.’ The boy replied, ‘No, miss, it’s the same dog.’

@@rosemarybaxter9120 Your anecdote misses the point about identical testimony, which is: People will almost never describe a thing or event in precisely the same way. This is a fact accepted by police and the judiciary; to the extent that any eye witness testimony that is identical or very similar is immediately viewed with suspicion. If the description of the dog is minimal, such as "The dog is brown", then identical testimony is perfectly reasonable, however if the dog's shape, behaviour, fur, paws, claws, ears, eyes, tail, movement, bark and nose were all described identically, it becomes reasonable to suspect that plagiarism or conspiracy has occurred.

And he would be right.

@@futilitarian3809 funny you mentioned police and judicial hearing of eyewitness testimony… J. Warner Wallace is an extremely accomplished cold case homicide detective, meaning he has significant experience in carefully examining eyewitness testimony and circumstantial evidence in cases with little or no direct evidence because they’ve gone so long without being solved. Using this he has successfully prosecuted many murderers. He was also an extremely skeptical and cynical atheist for over 3 decades. As an atheist, he decided to examine the gospel accounts using his detective methods, not as scripture but as historical eyewitness testimony that needed to be examined thoroughly to reach a verdict. His conclusion was that the gospels are an extraordinary example of what eyewitness testimonies look like when they are genuine and unadulterated, and many NT scholars agree. He ultimately accepted Christ for this reason and others. Don’t take my word for it, I recommend his books “Cold Case Christianity” and “Person of Interest” for a detailed look at the evidence. If you took the time to read this far, thanks and God bless!

Jesus Christ loves you. And through Him, may you have everlasting life!

That is awesome to hear! I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety-nine just persons, which need no repentance. - Luke 15:7

Thats amazing!!!!! God loves you and sent His son Jesus to lay down His life for you. 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳

It is so important that we pray and allow the Blessed Holy Spirit to help us to hold it together when we experience the temptation to follow atheistic interpretations of the scriptures. The natural man cannot know .... 😩

The Bible should of brought you back. Read it and make it about Jesus

How do we have the preserved word of god? Why on earth would an all mighty deity choose a book to be the best method of recording the most important occurrence in human history! Written on papyrus many years after the event, then he/she allowed the originals to be lost forever and was apparently happy to have it badly copied and translated until it became so vague it spawned thousands of interpretations? Both the protagonists gave a good account of their views but it’s a fairytale nothing more nothing less I’m afraid.

"This guy tried to prove his arguments that I disagree with, that's how I know he's wrong!" Fundy logic

@@mattparks94 Yes, he is wrong. Ehrman is what's considered a "fringe scholar" along with the rest of the Jesus Seminar.

@@sadusattack2628 fringe according to who? Evangelists?

@@mattparks94 The entire scholarly community.

🤣🤣🤣

You quoted a verse! Wow.

@@sentientflower7891 Careful, don't cut yourself on that edge.

@@Lenin95 quoting a verse doesn't make an argument.

Mark was the name the church gave to the book. There was no mark who wrote mark. Also Mark 16:9-20 was added decades later by some unknown person and has a short and long ending. The Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus are the earliest and oldest bibles and mark stopped at 16:8.

Mostly naive young people, the usual target of radicals and scoundrels.

Where do we find the facts? I assume you mean YOUR facts that are real and true and falsifiable. Provide those facts.

@@matcomb7501 Study literary genres, read the text. Then you'll see where Ehrman is misleading. Ehrman is a historian. He isn't an expert on literary criticism.

LOOOOL The irony in your projection is hilarious. You know, people who believe him do so because they have actually checked the facts and have read the bible. Maybe you should do that too before blindly believing the words of a lying apologist. Did Jesus expect to die on the cross and be resurrected in Mark? Well? DID HE? _"It's not just Mr. Winger who's the problem; it is those who listen to him who for some reason believe blindly and not check the facts for themselves."_

@@stylis666 I myself have checked the facts and read the Bible regularly. All of it. Perhaps you should it give a more honest try, this time? 😉

You recovered, bless you. The professor considers his reason to trump faith. I recovered, faith in our Creator, his mysteries, and in our Saviour is superior to human reason, and fully incorporates it.

@@johnrieley1404 Bless you! Praise God! What a joy to be restored. The gifts of faith, hope and love...what an amazing God we serve!

Hes was my professor and he made my life so much less destructive.

Go and listen to his answer to this video on Paulogia channel. If you belive in truth, you should see his statements in the way in which he was presenting them.

Doubt was destructive? What good is your faith if a little fact checking makes you want to close your eyes and live life blindly believing? I think the need for faith and belief necessitates sacrificing logic and rationality.

Yes absolutely agree with you. The context is v impt. It really is a wilful misreading of Jesus' crucifixion in Mark's gospel by this Prof.

Amen

Yeah, living by fantasies and fairy tales is so much easier than living in reality.

​@justbarelysociable2211 ig we all need to live in some sort of fantasy right? The LGBT people can play gender make believe so why can't we play religion make. make believe

​@justbarelysociable2211 ig we all need to live in some sort of fantasy right? The LGBT people can play gender make believe so why can't we play religion make. make believe

Angel, you're alive to claim that your god saved you. Say that to all the dead people who thought the same god would save them, and... oh wait, they're dead, and even worse, some of their family members couldn't stand the pain and agony and ended up committing s*icide!! The world is full of lucky and unlucky ones my friend. The thing is, the lucky ones claim their god saved them, the unlucky, well, they can't even think or speak; the only thing we have from them is the crying of their loved ones.

Your doubt and questions are good. God is not a Christian. Christianity does not own God. It's only a problem if you see no value in a relationship with God unless the Bible is all true.

@@DIBBY40 it’s part of the human experience I suppose. I doubted, questioned, tried things but I found nothing good for me. And I came to the conclusion that Christianity is best for me.

@@sloth6247 Good for you Sloth; at least you have thought it through. I left evangelical christianity in the late 1980s and have been on quite a ride ever since. For me christianity as presented to me made me full of all sorts of fears. My experience of God when I have experienced him is unlike anything....so I absolutely know what you mean when you say "God is Good". It has been quite a surprise to me that I could have a relationship with God and not be an evangelical Christian. I was caught in an all or nothing mindset: The "all" part made me fanatical, the "nothing" part made me miserable. My view now is that whatever your religion, or spirituality, if you are not becoming more loving, peaceful and beautiful it is a waste of time. God bless you on your journey. And maybe this hell bound heretic will see you in the Father's house one day 💖

@@DIBBY40 i completely understand you. I belief in a personal relationship with God above all. I’m not blind to the problems of the modern church: The ignorance, the greed, the abuse, the indifference, the complacency, the hypocrisy and the judgement. However the Bible asks us to congregate. I now realize this is a very important part of spirituality. I figure we need to transform the church (people), whatever that may look like, and not just abandoned the God of the Bible, who I’ve come to realize provides me peace like nothing else. Thank you and God bless you too.

third rate apologetics. Anyone who denies Mark is way different than Luke is a liar.

You honestly think someone with Ehrman's credentials hasn't read Mark 9:31...? Like many scholars, Ehrman believes that Jesus was not referring to himself when he talked about the "Son of Man".

@@williambecker5811 who was he refering to ?

@@stephenbaptist3077 A coming Son of Man. Go read any of his works and you would know this.

@@williambecker5811 Jesus claiming to BE the Son of Man (of Daniel 7:13) is literally what got him killed. See Mark 14:62.

@@Wesstuntube I mean if we're just reading the Bible and taking it all at face value just turn to the page that says Jesus is God and call it a day. Critically minded scholars don't accept that as the reason why. If you actually took a look at content from mainstream scholars instead of getting it filtered through the lens of apologetics, you would already know that most scholars don't think that's why Jesus was killed.

Education is the enemy of Christianity, just as intelligence has no place in church.

Must’ve been a pcusa..

@@rysloan because you people never bother to learn and refuse to listen.

@Resurrected Eyes Christians sin all the time. Don't try your self righteous game on me.

@Sentient Flower, I’m not claiming all Christians are deep thinking individuals, BUT your claim that Christians never think is outlandish. With all respect, that kind of claim is rooted in your own prejudices and nothing more. Francis Collins, Hugh Ross, Robert Bakker, Allan Sandage, etc…were these people unthinking individuals? No way. They probably thought it through a lot more than you or I ever have. Doesn’t necessarily meant they’re right. (Very smart people can be very wrong.) But to make the claims that education is the enemy of Christianity, or that there aren’t learned Christian persons is grossly inaccurate and disingenuous. Actually, it’s even beyond that; it’s simply a lie you’ve told yourself so that you may avoid listening to others and considering a different view.

How long was the book of John written after Jesus died ?

Either you attended a diploma mill, or you're being dishonest. One of the most basic skills all University students are expected to learn is how to think critically. It's clear from your statement that you believed someone because you thought they were smarter than you, that you didn't even learn that. Also, one cannot be a professor in Biblical Studies at a major public or private University without a Ph.d in their field (Biblical Studies), or having yielded major accomplishments in their field. The fact that you were taught Biblical Studies by English majors is another clue you received a rotten education from a rotten institution. I feel sorry for you.

@MRW I'm not assuming anything, and you're not an academic. If you were, you would not have made all the rather obvious elementary fallacies in your rambling diatribe. When you start out your statement with a lie, and proceed to launch one ad hominem after another, you make it apparent you are incapable of informed rationa discourse. Don't waste my time.

@MRW This is absurd. I should not have to explain this to you. If i say I've never been to India, then I go to India, it does not make my original statement false. You're just arguing with yourself and wasting my time. i don't have time to point out every logical fallacy you have made. I don't have that much time to waste. How about the latest one: "You have learned the phrase in that you can strike the letters in correct order on the keyboard, but you obviously don't understand it." This is a obvious elementary ad hominem fallacy. It is attacking my cognitive faculties rather than any argument or assertion that was made. i could have the worst understanding of everything on the planet and the assertion could still be true. That's why it is a fallacy. What an educated person would be expected to do is ask for support for the assertion, then address the argument that supports it. You have wasted enough of my time.

@MRW “Late first Century” lol yah real late. Like 90-100 CE. John was probably in twenties around Jesus time 30-33ce. So john lived to be around 80-90+ in the first century??? Average life expectancy per the data is around 35 years old. There is no way John lived to the 90’s CE He didn’t write that book that’s for sure. Which makes it very untrustworthy. A couple decades of story telling then someone wrote John’s gospel? Also can you find somewhere in the Greek NT writings where it says the Logos of God is a set of writings?

"My god my god why have you forsaken me" sounds like he was in shock to me. As you lot keep saying, Just read Mark.

@@scambammer6102 1) This is addressed in the video at 54:28-1:03:30 2) Even if that verse implied shock , (which it doesn’t) if you “just read mark” Jesus clearly forknew that these events will occur , indicated in passages such as in Mark 8:31-34

We don't know if Jesus already knew every detail. It is only the Gospel writers writing decades after the events that tell us He knew that. Jesus never wrote anything. If He had then we would know exactly what He knew and what He didn't. I find it startling that Jesus never wrote anything down. If you are the Son of God why not tell the world?

@@Michael-le5ph 1)You can’t take the words of Mark’s gospel to form a narrative that Jesus did not know what was occurring during his own cruxifixction. But then when Mark’s gospel simultaneously has sections demonstrating his foreknowledge of the events, suddenly state that ‘we can’t know what he was really thinking because it wasn’t written by him’. Or else we can simply dismiss all the verses brought up that ‘supposedly’ show that he was in shock. You can’t eat your cake and have it too, either we read the whole text as is and come to conclusions, or reject the text. But we can’t use certain portions to form a narrative, then dismiss other passages that work against it. 2) “If you are the Son of God why not tell the world”? He did , what do you think his preaching was, what do you think his appearance to 500 after he resurrected was. Your standard that “he needed to write it down” is a 21st century western lense. Plenty of people in the ancient world did not write down their teachings like Socrates for example. And just like how Socrates disciples Plato and Xenephon documented his life and teachings, so did Jesus’s disciples Matthew & John, along with 1st generation Christians like Mark & Luke gathering their information from eye witness accounts. In Fact, one might say that having 4 separate accounts with different writing styles, perspectives, themes , focuses and sources, written by different authors with different relations to Jesus, yet all concluding the same thing on who Jesus claimed to be is actually perhaps *stronger* evidence than Jesus just writing it down. It shows that Jesus’s claims of what he was were understood and believed by people coming from all different angles. Plus the likelihood that someone would edit a document that Jesus physically wrote is extremely high compared to if documents written by different people across the mediterranean from Jerusalem, to Ephesus, to Greece, and Rome. Hard to corrupt and edit all of those documents that come to the same key conclusions. It actually seems purposeful that Jesus didn’t write anything but entrusted his disciples to spread his message orally & through literature

@@sjappiyah4071 1. Of course you can take bit and pieces of things and put them into a narrative. christians do it all the time. It's the entire principle of all of our denominations. We only have the writer of Mark's word that Jesus said any of those things. Go study the origins of the Gospels. They were anonymous. The church gave them name because they needed them to be eyewitness accounts so they had to have a disciples name on them, or a close associate of an apostle such as Luke or Mark. We know that Mark, Matthew and Luke used other sources to put together their story. Luke even admits this. We've know this for years, it is not a surprise. 2. There are major accounts in the Gospels that cannot be reconciled. They are not just different perspectives. For example, was Jairus daughter dead or just sick, and if she died, when did she die exactly. Is she dead before jesus get there or is she dying and they tell Jesus to hurry to get to her before she dies? depends on which gospel you read. How many women came to the tomb and who were they? depends on the gospel. Was there an angel, or two angels or just a young man?How is this a different perspective? It's a different account. What day was Jesus crucified on? depends on the gospel. Did Jesus say not a word to Pilate or did he have a conversation? depends on the gospel. You have to read the stories side by side-- not one book and then another. NOT different perspectives. different account of the same story. It does not mean Jesus is not the Son of God, it means the Bible is not inerrant. Protestants came up with that idea, the ancient church was well aware of this and would have never made the claim. Infallible is not inerrant. Bart is only repeating what scholars have always know. You seem to see it as a threat. How so? Evangelicals claim inerrancy and that is off the table. But it can still be infallible. Bart can tell you the gospels may not be able to be trusted in every account but he can't tell you that Jesus is not God. That is for YOU to decide. Sound like he scared the crap out of apologists and they are now reacting--with even more preposterous claims than what they accuse Bart of. It's ok for them to twist scripture but not Bart.

Perfect summary.

Utterly stupid. Who in their right mind considers the bible to be moral by any sense of the word? Never mind the absurdity of talking snakes, magic apples spoken of in Genesis, here is a book that endorses slavery, murder, and all kinds of immorality... a book about a bloodthirsty god that is all-powerful, yet still demands innocent blood. Call this diety Satan. Even if the biblical god were real, it is completely unfit for worship. Consider just how immoral and illogical the story of Abraham and Issac is. Abraham hears a voice that tells him to climb a certain mountain and kill his own son. Instead of questioning this voice, instead of replying, "isn't murder Satanic?" This ignorant Abraham character hauls his son up a mountain with a bundle of sticks and a knife in hand, fully intent on killing the child. Is that in any way moral, much less logical? And how does the biblical god react? He blesses Abraham and declares him "righteous above all others"... for being willing to perform the Satanic act of murdering a child. How utterly evil is that? Even if the biblical god were real, it is wholly unfit for worship. It doesn't take much to figure that out.

not toward Bart Ehrman. the title is totally unfair and not in keeping with the ideas of the debate. you watched the debate, right?

@@williamjohns9322 Yes, I think the title is trying to go for a general sense in which he misleads people and that he is not being critical on some things. I'm going to try to find the debate. I'm an atheist trying to learn about historic Christian worldviews btw

@@williamjohns9322 plp

I agree fully with you. While listening a picture came to me. The synoptic Gospels can be seen as a 3 strand plat a woman would use in their hair. If u gaze upon it from the top and follow 1 strand, it weaves above the others for some time and then goes under, in the same the synoptic Gospels might be silent about a certain point due to the aurthors emphysis trying to imply, but the other Gospels will add to that point where another is silent to emphysize something else. Theres no contradiction. Its 3 accounts not to be mixed into 1, but all added for a full story, plus the Gospel of John add to further illuminate truth. JESUS CHRIST IS INDEED LORD AND IS COMING AGAIN.

And in reality all historians agree that Luke and Matthew used Mark as their primary source and copied many passages word for word.😉

Acts 28:24 And indeed, some were persuaded of the things he is speaking, but some refused to believe.

There are no eyewitness accounts.

@@sentientflower7891 Matthew, and John were eye witnesses. Mark is often called the gospel of Peter as Mark was mentored by him. Luke was a contemporary who carefully met eyewitnesses as well as a doctor. He also wrote the book of Acts. For the time period, one should see how many manuscripts of any other literature are available and compare them. There is no comparison.

I don’t care what kind of faith Bart thinks I should have. His twisting of Mark, adding his conclusions that Jesus was in shock, is not to make my faith intelligent. It may be for him to make money, he’s on the speaking circuit and publishing books. His problems with suffering seem pretty trite, to tell you the truth. More than 20 years ago my ankle was deteriorating from a previous fracture. One of those bones is gone now. I can’t tell you what the pain was like. Yeshua (Jesus) came. He put his hands on my ankle and healed it. It is still healed. No “faith healers”, just Him. I don’t have to prove that to anybody. I was there. Bart’s words mean nothing. You know Him or you don’t. Bart doesn’t and I doubt he ever did. Believe me, you wont forget Him.

@@mchevalier-seawell4438 I wonder why Jesus came only to heal your silly little ankle and not save the millions of starving children in the world. The children who are suffering unimaginable pain daily through no fault of their own. The children who live short, frightening, and awful lives, while you get to walk around here with the intelligence of a goldfish. No one needs to prove to you Bart was a Christian, that information is easily available. If it was something that could be disputed, the numerous people that knew him at Moody Bible Institute, Wheaton College, and Princeton Theological Seminary. Well known Christian scholars, like Dale Martin, who have been friends with him for decades, would dispute his narrative. Jesus seemingly being in shock at the situation he found himself in is just from a plain reading of the narrative presented in Mark. That is just how the passion narrative reads - period. You see, you can use your brain to come to a conclusion about a book or passage that isn't explicitly stated. I know that must be hard for you, but it's true. Mark presents Jesus as saying nothing throughout his entire crucifixion. Could Jesus have said something? Most definitely, but that's not how Mark chose to portray him. In Mark, besides telling Pilate "You say so." Jesus says nothing until his cry of dereliction. Quite an odd way to portray the situation, especially if you portrayed Jesus as being sure of his coming resurrection previously in the book. Every other Gospel has Jesus being far more confident and talkative throughout his crucifixion, but not Mark. Hmm, I wonder what Mark could be trying to tell us?

except for the title of the video, that's mudslinging pure and simple. also he missed the nature of the debate. the debate was on the historical value of the Synoptics, you watched the debate, right?

An Atheist argues against the notion of a supernatural being not the gospels. For one thing there is very little evidence for Jesus outside of the gospels. How about pitting yourself against me as regards you claiming there is a supernatural being. Give me your best shot

@@williamjohns9322 is that mudslinging? The title is stating a fact. Not adding a layer or sensational adjective to the word misled

@@DrMontague you are talking about two separate things. Bart may not believe in a supernatural but Bart himself argues Jesus was a real historical person. Are you disagreeing with Bart here? As for evidence of A God? From my point of view and looking at it even scientifically, there seems to be so much evidence for a ‘supernatural’

@@danielkim672 Jesus was likely a real person who was deluded enough to believe he was god. but out side the gospels there is next to nothing known about him. According to the trinity Jesus was god, the same supernatural being who drowned babies and children in his flood, and who demanded cruel death sentences. Clearly you have a psychological yearning for there to be a big daddy in the sky even if if he is evil.

If by chance you have seen the video of Dinesh D'Souza vs Bart Ehrman debate . Dinesh hands him his butt. Its a great video Dinesh has a real sense of humor. God bless.

Not really

@@bipslone8880 lmao , and how do you figure…

@@johnalexander4940 In your dreams

@@bipslone8880 how do you figure that ?

I'm glad you were able to see the truth. As someone who just reconverted three months ago, I can also see now how foolish I was by denying the truth in the Gospel without actually reading it within full context.

Your honesty and experience helps you to know how to relate in compassion to other deniers of the Gospel & plant a seed without offending their stance. I pray God uses you both in a powerful way in these last days. God bless you!

nice to see someone so honest and not let their anger take control of things they dont know or understand.god bless you

Those are not contradictory at all. Because the problem of being too identical is not that they retell the same stories. But that they do so verbatim. If the Gospels were true, of course we would expect them to have similarities, they are narrating the same events after all. The problem is that they use the very exact same words, meanign that they copied each other. And then you have moments were they tell the same event, but they are different, which is not a problem. The problem is that they contradict each other. Both are not contradictory in the slightest, because they are adrressing different things entirely.

Old Place, thanks for your honesty and thank God, He never gave up on you. Keep sharing your witness

Watch first clip of Ehrman. Then go read the Gospel of Mark. Three times Jesus predicts his death and resurrection, all three characterize abandonment and humiliation. Ehrman is verifiably misrepresenting the text. It is not believable Ehrman does not know this. Whatever caused him to abandon the faith... It wasn't logic, truth seeking, or evidence.

@@spartakos3178 Yep, good ol' fashioned "pride"

Cope away!

@@spartakos3178 No you are misinterpreting Ehrman. He never said Jesus didn't predict his death or was shocked that he had to die. That is your misinterpretation. You're jumping tot conclusions. Look up his answer on Paulogia. How on earth can you say that a professor is misinterpreting? What are your credentials? Or are you just a layman?

@@davethebrahman9870 Lol what’s wrong? In disbelief that perhaps Ehrman isn’t so infallible as atheists like to believe?

If you can't be convinced that a person was raised from the dead 2000 years ago, is it really that hard to believe that you'd say you're smarter than him? Is it "profoundly ridiculous" that some people aren't convinced by the bible? Is it profoundly ridiculous that you don't follow the teachings of Islam?

​@@dickmcwienersonIII what he is getting at is the ignorance of people. Whether you like it or not, that man 2000 years ago did more to shape our society than anyone else in the history of humanity. Divinity aside, the moral philosophy that Jesus preached has been the driving force behind society development for 2000 years.

Why has the holy spirit never informed the congregation that their pastor is raping one of their children? It's happened millions of times and yet god just ordains more pastors. Some power, some all-loving god.

@@bartbannister394 We're not Catholics

@@savedbygrace.slowedreverb So?

@@bartbannister394 butt hurt, or jealous? Why would God interfere with our individual free will, death is not the end and sorry to say neither is rape, justice comes in the end and we all have to answer for the wrong we have done.

@@stephenburrows1816 well that sure didn’t seem to stop god from intervening in scripture. He appeared to do that fairly frequently. It’s funny how now that it can be verified, it’s “mums the word.” 😂

Jesus (as the Holy Spirit) DID commission four Gospels, and they were not written by anonymous authors (three were eyewitnesses, one an historian). Copies of the NT manuscripts abound and are in excess of almost any other ancient writing. No real historian, even Bart above, doubts the existence of the man Jesus. The Bible is unlike any other book. That's called the anointing. Pray and ask for God's revelation. You may be surprised.

@Bot are you Blammit? Yes "Church" not being a building or organization but rather a called-out (of the world) group of people that He designated as "His body " P.S. Early writings show that the letters later called the New Testament were identified and used regularly much earlier than 330 AD. 🙏

@@eswn1816 how could someone disprove that the Holy Spirit commissioned the gospels?

@@eswn1816 there were other gospels used as canon before 300CE that are not in the Bible now such as the Shepard of Hermas.

@@MendicantBias1 Check out Philosophy of Science ("proofs") "disprove" = prove a negative... not possible!

Me tooo. From India❤️

If you guys want to see a good debate watch Dinesh D' Souza vs Bart Ehrman on the topic of a Loving God and Evil. Dinesh did an INCREDIBLE job refuting Barts assertions. Go and watch it please. Good 👍 apologetics material. God bless you both

Ah, but to be so "open minded" where one's brain falls out isn't so good. I politely disagree, but agree with Voddie Baucham who says, “I choose to believe in the Bible because it is a reliable collection of historical documents written down by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses. They report supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claim that their writings are divine rather than human in origin.” Glad you're here and thought to leave a comment. 🤗

@@jessitabonita You can say EXACTLY the same thing about the National Enquirer "reporting" Elvis still alive on the Moon -- living happily with Marilyn Monroe in the Titanic!

I agree with everything you’ve said but upon consulting with my best friend who is a Priest, he stopped me and said most people mistake the Bible for a Historical account and it’s not, it’s a theological book not based solely on fact or historical accounts.

@@robjohnston1433 please think about your comment.... it makes no sense comparing your own fantasies with the Bible which have been perfectly reserved after many rulers ordering all Bibles to be collected and burned. Your sin are blinding you sir...you and the rest of us have an appointment with God...., i hope you make it right with your Maker, Jesus who was God in flesh....before it's too late for you. Over 1000 prophecies have been fulfilled in the Bible in our recorded history. There remains the last few prophecies of the end of days where Jesus will come for His saints and to judge the wicked...

@@frankoppizzi3990 your friend has been deceived and so have you. Prove the Bible to be NOT historical.

Bart is the kind of guy to throw out the baby with the bath water . To base his entire argument on the paperclip holding the statement together while disregarding the statements in the case

@@guysumpthin2974 just a reminder, Evans, the Christian Biblical scholar, holds many of the same positions as Ehrman. where they disagreed was at what level do we allow a text to have historical significance. also it was the problem of suffering that convinced Ehrman to walk away from Christianity. this was mentioned in the debate, you watched the debate, right?

Hugely important for what?

@@williamjohns9322 Spot on!

Lol

Even many of Ehrman’s critics acknowledge his expertise on the topic of the Bible and its historical context.

You are so true!

I agree! I think discipleship and mentorship in the faith is something that is still lacking in most church because it takes a lot of effort and time (so much time). I was studying Matthew chapters 24 and 25 and there were so many questions I had. I felt like I didn't have anyone I could reach out to or turn to discuss detailed things. Luckily my husband is in seminary so he really helped guide me to study the passages (he didn't give me answers, but is teaching me how to study the Bible in a scholastic manner). However I still crave mentorship and am praying that God would provide me with someone.

Check out Jeff Durbin of Apologia Church too....Has a channel here.

@@mtgsk5180 That's the mistake you are making right there, Ehrman is not interested in faith or theology, he is a Biblical scholar and historian not a theologian. If you are interested in what happened in the past read Ehrman, if you want theology just talk to your pastor.

@@pinball1970 Funny then, how he's acting like a theologian

@@jeffschlueter1660 No, historian

That’s wonderful, praise God!

James white Jeff durbin Frank turke David wood are also good

@@HLZBORO738 thank you! I’ll check them out!

Look up Off the Kirb Ministries for a great spiritual building Christian channel. He's brilliant too.

@@HLZBORO738 Durbin is amazing

The best thing to do is not blindly hearing any of them, check the text

Sigh

@@greglogan7706 Repent of your sins and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ that has died for sins and rose from the tomb on the third day and let the Holy Spirit within you, and you shall be saved.

Lol

Your problem is that your are too arrogant to consider that people might have very good reasons to not believe Christian and biblical claims. Jewish scriptures from the so-called "old testament" that contradict Christian beliefs..... Isaiah 43:10-11 I, Yahweh, am the lord, and besides me there is NO OTHER SAVIOR. Deuteronomy 4:35 Yahweh is god, and there is NO ONE ELSE beside him. Isaiah 45:22 Look unto only me to be SAVED, for I am Yahweh your god and there is NO ONE ELSE as your SAVIOR. Jeremiah 17:5 Cursed be the man that trust in man and make flesh his savior, and whose heart no longer looks to Yahweh. Psalm 146:3 Do not trust in man, for in whom there is NO SALVATION. Hosea 11:9 God is NOT A MAN. Numbers 23:19 God IS NOT a man OR son of man. 1 Samuel 15:29 God is not a man. Psalm 49:7-8 No man (including Jesus) can die in place of, or be ransom paid for the sins of another. Ezekiel 18:20 Every man is responsible for his own sin, and a father (including God-the father) cannot take responsibility for the sins of his children Exodus 20:4-5 Anyone worshiping a man in place of Yahweh is guilty of the sin of idolatry. Malachi 3:6 I am the lord and do not change. Christianity completely contradicts Hebrew scriptures and what Jesus believed. Jesus wouldn't even know modern Christians as his followers, but Paul surely would. Christians are no less deluded than a Mormon or Muslim who believes their new testament is true.

Important Messianic scriptures which Jesus didn't fulfill and proves he wasn't the Jewish messiah (which means he was only a deluded and dishonest cult leader)... Isaiah 11:9 Jewish scriptures say that when the messiah comes and the kingdom is established, "the earth shall be full of knowledge of Yahweh as the waters cover the sea". Meaning everyone around the world would know of Yahweh without the need to teach.(fail) Zachariah 9:10 The messiah will take the weapons of war away from everyone, proclaim peace unto all the nations, and his rule will be over all the earth. (We still have war, weapons of war, and Hindus--fail) Isaiah 2:4 The messiah will judge between the nations and give many people criticism for their behavior. He will take all weapons if war and there will be world peacs and no more teaching/trainjng how to fight war. (Fail) Zachariah 8:23 Everyone worldwide will try to seek out Jews in admiration to bring them to the messiah, because they heard he is with them. (Fail) Ezekiel 37:12 Mass Resurrection of the dead. (Didn't happen-- fail) Ezekiel 45:22-23 The messiah will perform animal sacrifices for the sins of the people. (Which completely cancels the Christian claim that jesus was the last sin sacrifice)--fail Zephaniah 3:9 When the messiah establishes the kingdom, Yahweh will give everyone one pure language to use. --fail, didn't happen. Jeremiah 31:34 No more teaching of religion, for all will immediately be given knowledge of Yahweh. No bibles,no qurans, no religious books needed. And nobody would lack knowledge or be an atheist. Are there atheists and religious books still?? Fail Isaiah 26:19 Zombiepocolypse. Dead shall rise worldwide. ---fail Ezekiel 44:9 Everyone must be circumcised by the heart AND the flesh. (Cutting all mens dicks😱🤭--fail) These are just some of the major messianic scriptures that must happen, but didn't happen. Jews know they didn't happen, and therefore they know their messiah hasn't come. Anyone whom claims otherwise has failed to acknowledge the importance of Jewish scriptures to Jews and Jesus. Only blind cult faith in the ridiculous vision* claims of Paul (Paul never met Jesus) would lead someone to believe jesus was the messiah.

truth? I think you dont know what the truth is.

@@elimelek5569 the truth is we don’t know but because you don’t know either you can claim it is true

@@elimelek5569 what do I claim that I don’t know? How do you know? Indoctrinated theist

@@elimelek5569 the truth is. There is no evidence for god - therefore no god! If your non existent God wants worship - it show up - if not it should stay hidden!

@@elimelek5569 don’t distract from the topic. Where is your god? Why listen to the bible in the first place? Why this 27 books of the New Testament? Why is the epistle of barnabas or the Shepard of hermas not in the bible? Because it didn’t fit what the only cult (church) wanted. It has nothing to do with a god!

I love the BEAT

"A text without context is a pretext."

@prepended prepended If you are a Christian, you would know. God will answer a non-Christian's prayers sometimes, especially if it results in their coming to faith in Him.

Good praying makes you reverent, focused on true issies at hand and listening for the right path through this life. If you listen and treat the greater world react with as an interlocutor, with respect, you may just find yourself guided towards Truth with feelings like a faint breeze, or a whirlwind

What do you challenge that your son believes ? Maybe you bought into dogma and haven’t found your way out yet?

Your approach is my families approach to me and it’s really condescending. I hope it doesn’t affect your relationship with him, because I can tell you it is a major source of harm in my family. Evangelicalism is really toxic.

@@drzaius844 Spreading the good news of the Gospels is toxic now?

Where can I find this?