How Britain Starved Ireland | The Bastani Factor 

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Not all of them.

Really? All of ‘em?

@@robertcottam8824 The vast majority. How's that?

@@garybarnett583 got any names?

In the book "Even the Graves are Walking" (I can't remember the author) they show how enough Irish produced food passed through the port of London in the month of September, 1847, alone, to feed the entire Irish population for six months. In the same month, over 40,000 Irish people died of hunger.

@Noel Pucarua This is the comment I was going to make, albeit less well. The expansion of monoculture cropping is consistently bound up with empire and 'primitive accumulation'

@Noel Pucarua, Thank you for this. And thank you Novara Media for doing a piece on this all but forgotten genocide.

I’d say the potato famine is still accurate - the famine induced by the entirety of the conditions surrounding the potato, not just by the simple lack of them

@@patrickclarke8013 I see u have misunderstood me. Never mind.

England ceased to exist after 1707, but otherwise great fiction writing, Pmsl!!🤣

​@@brother1ray You know why everyone hates ye don't you? Like why ye haven't a friend in the entire world?

@@stiofain88 There are "Anglophiles" all over the World, from Australia to India to the Americas.........and ALL the World's most successful former Colonies were British ones, built on the "Rule of Law"! Hong Kong, Singapore, New Zealand, canada, Australia, USA............ALL former British colonies............Strange that, eh kiddo??? And I'm not even English, Lmfao!! 🤣

@@brother1ray Australia likes taking advantage of ye after Brexit for sure. The US likes it's useful idiot as long as it remains useful. Not even English but have your tongue deep inside them? That means either Welsh or Orange man. Pretty sure apart from Hong Kong none of the ones you mentioned like ye that much. And Hong Kong is only because China is worse, not that ye are good.

The British army had only 90,000 men on 1845.

Unfortunately this is true of everywhere the British colonised, but much of our country live in strong denial.

Time england learns?

@mob3144 yes, I believe that in English schools, history classes should place emphasis on learning about how Britain's colonial days had such a negative impact on the rest of the world. Not just Ireland, but the Indian sub-continent, what they did to the indigenous peoples of the North America, how they profited from the slave trade, how they exploited the African nations they held, only to leave them with borders which put no consideration into different ethnic groups and religions which have resulted in numerous civil wars in these countries.

Don’t worry I think English historians already know about it

Has it ever learned. I feel that the government has gone full circle to the 1940s philosophy @@mob3144

What do you think of the social engineering going on presently?

Thank-you for sharing and remembering your ancestors. You honour Tasmania

Hardly any good has come from it since the Revolt in the 16th century except the English Martyrs.

Thanks so much for sharing. Tassie is located south of Stralya?

What an amazing background!

The Irish were neutral for the whole of the second world war. Do we get an apology for that?

@@hmq9052 Not the same thing at all or even vaguely relevant, but well done, good comment.

@@mattcast44 Just being honest.

@@hmq9052 Ask yourself the sensible question over why Ireland would send its sons to fight for the British. And, lets remember, the US almost didn't get involved either. It was only after Pearl Harbour that they decided to. I'll bet you still make stale jokes about the French. Let it go.

@@hmq9052 no apology. We feed your population during the War. We supplied you with many volunteer soldiers. Our men filled the gaps in your industry to keep the war machine going. We passed on vital intel. We allowed your airmen and sailors return to UK instead of being interned. We owe you nothing.

Eire = sad past ! Holodomor famine was part of the Soviet famine of 1932 which affected the major grain-producing areas of Ukraine. At least 3.8 million Ukrainians died. Cannibalism was common

That's because the Irish were bombing us until fairly recently. In a war you don't broadcast enemy propaganda.

They could start by teaching it correctly in Irish schools.

Its been many tears since I did my leaving cert. How do you feel it could be taught better? @@johnkelly1027

It is taught is Scottish schools. I had to study it for the last four years in high school

We did the Irish famine for a term in primary school and then it was never mentioned again and it was presented like 'we just don't know whose fault it was'.

​@@johnkelly1027a moron speaks

Dab genocide not famine

Ireland was knowen as the bread basket of the UK I think that says it all.

Fake History! Irish Farmers sold then as now to the highest bidders, and the poor make the worst payers. Plus the blight affected the whole of Northern Europe at the same time!

How did they "grab" them? No one forced the Irish to sell them, did they? But that gets in the way of your neurotic need to demonise your neighbours doesn't it? And why you always leave out the part about the huge public relief effort the British public raised

@@Minime163 No it wasn't.

Wilhelm it was also during this period that the English sent and sold over five hundred thousand Irish, mainly young, to America the West Indies etc

@@miakeogh6844 All governments need to go, we do not need them, they cause far more harm than good. And the elite need to go with them. I have traced my ancestry back to mid 1750's, I have found English, Scottish, and a bit of Welsh, there is Irish on my children's side [County Mayo] I am actually happy now that my family were/are poor working people, so could not [I hope] have been involved with this wickedness.

Perhaps the Irish should have defended their country better? Because that of course is how things used to work back then. If the Irish could have invaded England and colonised it, they would have. Instead what we have today is selective amnesia about all this and a vast army of neurotic little men playing the victim online

@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp "Perhaps" "Amnesia" Selective amnesia about something that didn't happen? What? Peak nonsense in this thread. Well done. British nationalists are now blaming Irish people for not stopping British people murdering, raping and genociding them Do you have any idea how stupid the average BritNat apologist looks in these comments? Seriously. Read what you wrote. "We wouldn't have been able to do truly inhuman things to the Irish if they'd fought harder. Mother of jaysus.

​@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rpcheck the history

The word Holocaust was first use in medieval England to describe how Jews where treated by Edward the 1st 1239 to 1307

Im a Gael. My ancestor baring my surname fled starvation in Ireland. He landed in Wales. Married an Irish girl. Worked as a foundry man, ended up in Newcastle. Had 8 children. Now has over 1000 decendants on Tyneside, some in USA, Canada and Australia. Even some back in Ireland. The English failed to Genocide us! But i love England, bare no grudge against the current English people.

@@occidentadvocate.9759 None of this is directed at the common English person, or any other British person either, who also suffered under the rule of the same class.

a bit of wishful thinking on your part

Market capitalism created by them and for them to line their own pockets . If it happened today these so called men would be convicted of crimes against humanity. I hope they are rotting in hell. Scumbags

and the Irish would consider them British too!

lots of absintee landlords.

No, that wouldn't fit the narrative.

I was going to make that point ,well said Bailey.👍

And of course we all know that not a single Protestant died in the Famine...

Wonder what she makes of Indian history. The dirty vile creature.

the IRA should assasinate Priti Patel; full stop. she deserves it; advocating recreating a historic genocide because you can't get a deal on your deluded and unrealsitic ambitions is beyond repugnent. if a german politician had advoctated holding israel's oxygyn supply hostage to get a deal; they would probably be dead or awaiting incarceration for life withing 24 hours.

Oh she knew exactly what she was saying. Got rid of her and now we have Suella Braverman likening refugees to swarms.

​@@aries6776exactly, British colonialism and interference in foreign affairs has created a migration wave that will overwhelm and irreparably divide it's own society. We only have to take a quick look at how much hate, fear and racial division there is in modern Britain, with countless more migrants to come, to see how bad things are going to get between Britains communities. Karma.

The fact they also did this to her people in India 😅 there's a want in her!!

Spot on.

You needn't argue the point - the humble blight on the potato was so successfully propagandised as the cause of mass starvation as to be still believed by the uneducated. Escaping the genocide perpetrated by the British meant emigration. The desperate few who could escape the stricken land left - maybe, a life-sustaining bit of hope in a dying mother's/elder aunt's heart as the last son boarded the coffin ship to Newfoundland, should chance choose his side. The 'famine' was fake news, an attempt to mask the wholesale murder, land theft and related crimes of the British. They criminalized the Irish language, banned music and education, never succeeding in crushing the spirit of this great nation. Let's leave the Northern Ireland issue for another day! Peace and good health to all here.

Correct

Correct. He kinda skips the bit where the British establishment stole all the good land, leaving the dirt poor Irish without enough arable land to raise other crops or livestock. Pretty good video other than that

I don't think that was a result of any policy, which is worse when you think about it.

Britain has always been at war with itself let alone other places. Classism is still such a prominent theme. Sadly the people here often follow the ruling upper classes blindly as long as their lives remain easy - hence the tory rule and the terrible policies that follow. It is truly sad to be lumped in with those people, even while fighting for a better Britain.

We also spent the Middle Ages butchering the French... I think British people are poorly educated and easily indoctrinated... I despair sometimes. People in my town would vote Conservatives even if the candidates ate babies. Why?

I just cannot fathom why people keep voting them in, again and again....

@@aries6776 Billionaire controlled press that shits on any credible alternative. Just look what they did to Jeremy Corbyn.

They rule in Britain by rule and divide through wars religion and class

I'm one of them that only learnt today before it was explained by Aaron.

@@philipscott4456 You mean after he explained it?

@@hazelwray4184 yes sorry after, thanks.

CRT is racist towards white people.

There is a movement in western countries to downgrade the teaching of History and humanities in general in favour of STEM and Science subjects. There is a tendency to demonitise and undervalue education in what are deemed to be "non profitable" and "impractical" subjects in school or college. This would be a great mistake. If a people does not know its history then unscruplous people will fill in the blanks and put out a skewed and twisted narrative to create hate and destroy any semblence of balance and non partisan telling of the accounts.

I'm Indian, during the British era we weren't allowed to make salt from the sea

The empire strikes again

That’s very typical British rewriting history to fit their benefactor narrative

Horrific what happened in India horrific

What is not known is that there was a food, and medical supply shortage in the U.S. during the war that began in 1942, and did not subside until 1948 when rationing went off. Many children suffered from malnutrition. I was one of them.

Same with the Cornish in 1549 and the Highland Scots in 1746.

He might just mean it was in land in Ireland i.e. Irish land

Very true. These folk would consider themselves as British.

T T O’Keefe. Please please please use the word genocide underline genocide Irish people and nearly as much to blame as they continue to call it a famine which of course is what the English still wants you to think

Moot...when does a colonist become part of a nation. Norman, Anglo-Norman, English, Anglo-Irish, Irish. People are often hued by their cultural (or perceived cultural) hereditary identity. One only has to look at America for this. Americans that are 3/4/5 generations American, still call themselves Irish. My grandparents were from Cork and my mother was fiercely republican. My siblings and I consider ourselves British. That said, what the British (in the 19th century) did must be acknowledged, if way are to forge a great partnership together ❤️

@@anglomandingo666 I am third generation Irish in America. My great grandparents were also from Cork. My Great grandmother was Catholic and my great grandfather was protestant. But that's a long story. During the 1970s I did fund raising for the Northern Aid Committee. I consider my self American-Irish.

Первый голод в молодой Советской республике устроила Антанта. Англия и Британия устроили блокаду нашей стране,а еду меняли только на церковное и императорское золото. Английская королева не стеснялась носить диадему Романовых, которая по сути украдена у народа России.

The Ottomans popped up whenever there was an earthquake or famine etc. They didn't send money they sent Imams to convert people! Do you think the British were going to tolerate that? Part of the defence budget for centuries had to be spent on protecting the coast against Ottoman and Barbary slavers! Trust me these weren't people that cared about the poor Irish, you wouldn't have mattered anymore to them than the Armenians did!

Why did you leave out the bit about the public relief effort organised by ordinary British people?

Because I was talking about Victoria blocking aid from the Ottomans. Why?@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp

That priti Patel comment summarises the British attitude to Ireland

@@mrbearbear83 that animal Patel thinks she is part of the establishment , does she not realise because of her heritage, the establishment despise her.

@@mrbearbear83 It sums up Patel’s extraordinary lack of both historical and self-awareness and why she epitomizes the term, “Uncle Tom”.

I have only one word for Patel "Bás" (that is Irish for 'death')

It could only be reincarnated if this way of thinking died

They're definitely applying the same economical philosophy to the poor in Britain, how did food banks become normal over the last 12 years?

Rees mogg would undoubtably claim it was divine providence; echoing both Russell and trevelyan at the time. Have lived in England and had many English friends; what struck me was their total ignorance not only regarding what occurred in Ireland, but the history of their own country, which largely comprised of Henry the eighth, WW2 and the world cup in 1966. George Bernard Shaw remarked that the Irish knew more about British history than the Brits themselves. I believe that's still the case.

We were told about it back in the 80s in my school in Englad.

The elites haven't changed and the elites control the education system, British empire and anything caused by it isn't talked about all that is stated is that it existed. I don't even remember the empires involvement in slavery being mentioned just that america was involved and that slaves came from west africa. Any of these events are overshadowed by WW2 and the cold war.

There was no "genocide" and we literally never hear the end of this tale. If there was a "genocide" why did ordinary British people organise a huge public relief effort? And what makes you need to put a guilt trip on people completely unconnected to these events TWO HUNDRED YEARS later?

Eire = sad past ! Holodomor famine was part of the Soviet famine of 1932 which affected the major grain-producing areas of Ukraine. At least 3.8 million Ukrainians died. Cannibalism was common

Same difference dude!

I 2nd that motion.

Indeed and that was a result of the free market. I think this detail is very important to keep in mind if we want to take away the right lessons. There was plenty of food and the British made it available for the Irish to buy as much as they wanted. However the exploitation of the landlords meant all the Irish were far too poor to do so. Because it was market price there was no way the exploited Irish could compete with the enriched British middle class. The Irish famine is a perfect example of how "market freedom" is an illusion. Technically the Irish had food available to feed themselves, they just couldn't afford it. This excuse is still used a lot with black people today, technically there is nothing stopping them but practically there were many barriers. Another important lesson that I think was overlooked in the video is that many British felt the Irish were too lazy to grow surplus food and too undisciplined to actually save it for hard times. This practice of blaming the victims of capitalist exploitation as being too lazy to work hard and too into partying to think about the future is still very much alive today.

@@MrMarinus18 Well said Marinus

Just be thankful they're focused on the Muslims now

Do you think it might be because of the IRA bombing campaign? Not to mention the long history of Irish labour being used against the British working class? Religious intolerance? Please, it makes me puke how grown men play the victim these days

@@stevekildare4053 LOL have you any idea what's happened with Muslims in Britain and the rest of Europe? Well, Paddy will find out soon enough now he's decided to replace himself with them

@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rpyou use the same excuses to abuse all the minorities

You are right in a way but there was a danger point between may and September that wellington said something about and l just can't remember

And another thing the.population of lreland was 8.5 million in 18 41 3.5 in 18 51 1million died and 1 million emigrated and rember they only paid to go on ships to be used as ballast and every ship an d passengers are recorded and still o record where did the other 3 million go

Everyone seems to forget the Irish Penal laws which forbid Irish people from having any right

True. I am Scottish not British. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇪🇺

It’s the fact that British people don’t seem to be educated about it that the Irish are resentful of, rather than it being the case that we still hold a grudge

@@RF-ye7wu I knew about the 'potato famine' but that's it, what I have just watched is heartbreaking, however governments and the elite are to blame not ordinary people. We need to realize neither the government or elite are needed.

Alba I am Scottish of Irish descent and I pray for Scotland to vote for Independence Soar Alba and Erin go Bragh and ☘🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

@@eph2817 is what you have watched, the whole truth. No mention of the war nor the huge numbers who died in it

Aw Jaysus, the Third Reich, that's tearing the arse out of it

Bit of a stretch there

@Black Lesbian Poet The worst level of hell is reserved for those who betray.

@Black Lesbian Poet I don't even know what you mean? Or what you think I am debating.

@Black Lesbian Poet the landlords weren’t traitors to Ireland as they aren’t Irish. They were English.

@Black Lesbian Poet the traitors have been writing the history, it's not the truth.

So are Irish Americans Irish or American? ; )

I know we are responsible for all the Evils in the world past and present, please accept my humblest apologies.

@@eph2817 I would if it was honest.

LOL we never hear anything else but negativity about our history! What good has it done Germany? You're literally a psychologically emasculated nation

​@@eph2817but your not your ancestors

Brits (and non) are lying about most things ww2 as well.

IrishSoc I agree but also wonder why this is it was clearly a genocide these politicians seem to suffer from an inferior complex when it comes to the English ugh

You hit the nail on the head there irishsoc. Our government wanted to put a plaque up in a street in Dublin commentating all combatants on both sides in 1916. It would be like putting up a plaque in London commentating all the soldiers who died in ww2 , English and German. Where is the pride in our country gone ?

@@greenandgold6814 Worse, they wanted to commemorate the RIC, including the Black and Tans and Auxiliaries. Official Ireland has this narrative that we have to “mature as a nation”, in order to facilitate reunification, but ironically there’s nothing that unionists respect less than toadyism. My great grandfather was killed by the Black and Tans, he was a station master in the west of Ireland, where republicans robbed an armaments train. The idea that our own government would commemorate the same group is quite frankly disgusting.

@@TheLastAngryMan01 well said. It's a disgrace and an insult of the highest degree to everyone killed by the tans.

leftist are the biggest genociders imperialism wasnt capitalism it was feudalism which is way closer to socialism than capitalism. genocide only possible under collectivist centralized government.

“To hell or to Connacht”. It’s an indictment of the British education system that more of their citizens learned about the Famine from an episode of Victoria a few years back than through formal teaching.

Are "Irish Americans" Irish or American? ; )

Behind the Bastards is good, I just finished a course on post-colonial IR Theory and they were on the reading list

The English aristocracy*

@@ThyCorylus it’s unlikely the English working class wanted this as it basically caused a surplus of workers in the industrial cities which benefited their bosses greatly and is the reason why Marx thought the revolution would begin there

@@ThyCorylus not really, there were a lot of average britons involved in making these things happen. its like saying german soldiers were guilt free since they didnt create genocidal policies, "they were just following orders"

@@ince55ant the average Briton couldn’t even vote whilst this was happening. Certainly after 1918 you could argue any and all countrymen had opportunities to influence but everything before then is basically an elite dictating the destiny of a country.

It may have taken a long long time but I think the chickens are coming home to roost

The facts as told by the spiteful resentful Left and their demonisation project. These events happened TWO HUNDRED YEARS ago, if the Irish wish to stew in victimhood that's entirely up to them

Note the modern techniques the Brits are pushing to achieve Irish genocide: feminism, divorce, abortion, dink lifestyle, incel lifestyle, mass immigration of non-assimilables, NATO membership (i.e. participation in meaningless Anglo-American wars) etc etc.

Just because someone tells it, doesn't make it true,

Don't trust the Gravel Institute they're just the lefts answer to PragerU

The Gravel Institute killed it! *no pun intended*

Lets stop calling it a famine.

@@dubhainoceanntabhail5262 It’s what it’s commonly known as. Wiki says: “A famine is a widespread scarcity of food caused by several factors including war, natural disasters, crop failure, population imbalance, widespread poverty, an economic catastrophe *or government policies*.”

Give it up. The clearances were generally Scot on Scot, the Laird versus the Highland peasant and you know it. Remember, the Scottish monarchy became the sovereign of Britain and the Scottish aristocracy have survived almost intact for centuries.

@@ThyCorylus "black on black crime is the real issue" --- that's you right now.

@@ThyCorylus Indigenous elites collaborating with external exploitation to benefit their own power is the norm in exploitative relationships. That doesn't mean they weren't being exploited.

I wouldn't say much of the same attitudes back then have changed even today

@@ChavvyCommunist I don't think they were saying highlanders weren't being exploited, they were saying that the people who conducted the exploitation were Scottish. History would tend to back them up. On top of that, there was less of a national element in the exploitation of Scottish highlanders than in that of the Irish, given the fact that the Scottish lowlanders and the Scottish highland landlords tended to look down on the highlanders as much as, or more than, the English did. It is much easier to make the case that Ireland was a situation of colonial exploitation (though there were some important differences between Ireland and the rest of Britains possessions) than it is in the case of Scotland.

Unlike what passes for history with the wider British public , with Netflix recounting how a teary eye , young queen Victoria , enquires of some flunky "And what of Ireland"? In actuality ,she declined the offer of help , in monies and foodstuffs, to Ireland from , amongst others the Ottomans and went so far as to instruct that the ,Royal Navy , who only thirty years previously at Trafalgar, arguably Britain's greatest recorded sea battle , had consisted of one in three , white Chimpanzees, to Blockade any attempts to assist the beleaguered , starving masses , by force if necessary. History indeed ,but not as we ' know' it.

@@SacClass650 the British did make the Gaelic language illegal to be spoken in Ireland and they did the same with the various languages spoken by Native Americans in North America. This supports the ethnic cleansing argument.

@@SacClass650 if it had indeed faded, then a law mandating its exclusion wouldn't be judged necessary. It would be like politicians of today banning Latin. Gaelic was banned in 1616.

@@SacClass650 the Great Famine in the context of a Genocide in which other acts of genocide such as extinguishing a language by laws outlawing it are pertinent to the discussion.

@@SacClass650 i think you're gonna have to define genocide mate. cant have a semantic arguement with undefined terms

The potato famine was not unique to ireland but the massive population decline was, that's not natural

Yip, one of my English friends said he remembers being taught that it was due to overpopular - aoooch!!

It started out as a natural event.

Really?

All famines are political.

This could be an opportunity to discuss this important ancestral history - and you can observe if the jokes and most especially the smile remains on their face.

Farrah h it was not a famine a famine means there is nothing to eat when in Ireland nothing failed except the potato so it was organised genocide by the English

@@MonaLisa-lu8zi It will, the British take special pride and joy in humiliating us.

...except for the fact that the only people who will suffer from the UK's decline, are the ordinary people, who for the most part, are decent.

@@comanchio1976 Are they though? They voted overwhelmingly for Brexit because they hate foreigners.

@@comanchio1976 precisely. Although the Ukraine seem to be pretty happy accepting the British lead in supporting their cause unlike the begrudging European powers.

@@ThyCorylus Their cause? It's a senseless proxy war.

Wow, I am really glad I wouldn't wish harm on anyone. The people who will suffer are not to blame.

Eire = sad past ! Holodomor famine was part of the Soviet famine of 1932 which affected the major grain-producing areas of Ukraine. At least 3.8 million Ukrainians died. Cannibalism was common

Ireland was not part of the UK, it was not known as the great hunger, facts matter.

@@tommercury3349 Ireland was part of the UK from 1801 to 1922. That's why it was then known as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

@@memisemyself that's what the British said, the Irish said no, which do you follow, British law or Irish law. We were never conquered

@@tommercury3349 That comment is too stupid to even try to respond to. I deal in reality, not fantasy.

It never used to be called a genocide so what's changed? What's changed is the destructive Left have decided to inject maximum poison into society because they want to tear everything down. They are then surprised when this gets ordinary people's backs up or demoralises them and they reject the Left yet again. Would you like to see ordinary English people suffer some sort of revenge for these events?

Because that is the culture they cling to, the worship of monsters. They voted for Churchill as the greatest Briton and Cromwell is right outside Westminster. The first things they teach their children are empire and why it's bad the empire is gone.

I'm English, I live in Paris. My mum lives in Spain & she voted Brexit. I didn't. She always is amazed that Irish bars /enclaves are everywhere she goes, totally oblivious to why Irish enclaves are so far flung. We don't learn about it at school, & Irish History is not in modern Pop Culture/netflix tv. I've had to do my own research on it. I love the Fields of Athenry song. I'm gonna play it to my mum.

I have mentioned this a few times on line about the marginalisation of the teaching of history and people not being told about their past in a fair and balanced way. This leaves the door open for unscrupulous people to slant the narrative to their own ends and hide the real truths of why things are they way they are today.@@Thom-jj7yr

Not the English... the British govt ... theres a difference.

Erin go bragh! 🇮🇪

"Nobody alive in IRELAND who does not know how the English treated IRISH people" I was raised in unionist community in Belfast, went to a deeply protestant school, we were taught an extremely skewed perspective that distanced Britain from most of the blame. I dread to think how many of the bigoted asshats that live around me still consider the great hunger to be entirely of Irish invention.

Genocide by famine (caused by the British) . Imposed, intentional famine. 😡

Why isn’t it genocide? Like how does the owning classes desires in any form negate the starvation to not be a genocide?

@@quinnarrenzola5284 Well, wasn't it more like the British government not giving a sh*t than having a careful plan of extermination? Here in Ireland, you have people calling it a genocide all the time. I'm just questioning if it had more to do with the capitalist system?

The Irish did not have a class system in them time's. The media has been proven to have lied.common in wars. Ireland has had invaders from many lands, don't believe all on yt .

Is not was

It is commonly referred to as The Famine in Ireland and always has been. The genocide thing is a recent internet phenomenon.

@@sean_d you contradicted yourself, let me explain. 1, you stated that "it's commonly called the famine in Ireland" 2. You stated that it commonly being referred to as genocide is "a recent thing". So, because it being referenced as genocide is "recent" (its been commonly referred to as such over the last 30 years or more at least) you argue that ot is not commonly referred to as genocide. Literally using proof that you are incorrect in your assertion as your argument in support of your incorrect assertion. And, let's be clear here, genocide it was, a quite deliberate and orchestrated plan to expunge a certain gene stock from the land of Ireland in order to create favorable conditions for another. If that is not genocide (the act of attempting to eliminate a certain gene pool) then what is? This is why it is commonly referred to in Ireland as genocide. (FYI, before we engage in a long and tedious exchange of further comments, note my use of the word "commonly" as opposed to "exclusively") have a nice life, goodbye.

@@Ben-Downlow. You obviously don't Iive in Ireland. Both my statements are correct. You don't need to explain anything, thanks.

@@sean_d I haven't lived there in 15 years true, but it's quite obvious that your statement contradicts itself. Maybe you first heard the term genocide regarding this on the Internet, but that only serves to evidence the fact that the term wasn't used in your circle, 30 year ago is way before the widespread use of Internet and I have heard and used the term genocide for at least that long. Sinead O'connor album "universal mother" (circa 1990-92) for instance contains the song "famine" in which she expresses the conviction that "famine" is an inappropriate term for what was inflicted on us by the British landlord class. Obviously you have been living under a rock, prehaps you could do everyone a favour and crawl back there.

Malfeasance genocide personal preference. Dammnation under the guise of salvation. 'Perfidious Albion'.

Any connection to Ireland?

Must have a bit of Irish ancestry somewhere, a lot of British people do

@@mrjackbennyVery distant, as I think a lot of people in the UK do. Just seem to have found and sought out a lot of content recently centered mostly around The Troubles, maybe bc NI elections in the news, I don't know.

Apparently many true English people were also chased from England years ago. They relocated to the west and to Wales. This is rarely discussed.

Well we see undiluted hatred towards Britain and British people online all the time and this - the selectively told version of events which leaves out many details such as the huge public relief effort organised by British people - is one of the key features. So does that make you happy? Does it scratch that neurotic itch that you have to demonise people completely unconnected to these events? Does it make you feel better that you're actually inciting genocidal feelings? Does it advance the rest of the Left's agenda or does it make them reject it?

I often wonder why Cromwell is held in any esteem, I know the damage he did.

@@eph2817 propaganda. The English establishment rewrote their history. They despised him by the end of his life.

It certainly used to be taught in the 1950s.

We do not wish to wash our dirty linen in public

But it was a Genocide. It wasn’t per se famine.

Is that what they told you in school, how many died in the war.

It affected every country that grew potatoes but the British used it to cleanse Ireland of the Irish .. genocide

It's not questionable, they _were_ socialist. It doesn't mean some socialist ideas aren't worth exploring and building upon. But it does indicate that the psychology underpinning Socialist revolutionary movements almost certainly leads to highly undesirable social, cultural and economic outcomes. To argue otherwise is disingenuous, in my opinion. Almost no one, barring the odd slow witted jingo is arguing for reinventing Imperialism. The right have moved on. This angle is frustrating for someone sympathetic is socialist ideas. Communism or socialism in the model of Marxist and Leninist political ideology has been proven so completely bunk by the impossibility of its implementation that the argument your positing is almost nauseating. The left really need to find a way to challenge capitalism without trying to absolve communism of its bloody and disgusting history. The deaths resulting from the Great Chinese Famine, deaths are greater by orders of magnitude than the Irish Famine. Bear in mind too, that Mao's famine is within living memory, it overlapped with the Beatles, it was a truly modern crime and completely avoidable as we're the following examples. The Povolzhye of the twenties alone is probably five times the number of the Irish Famine. Then one considers the Holodomor.. need I say more. Does this absolve the British establishment of the deaths resulting from the Irish Famine? Of course not, they're abominable, but it does shed some light on the magnitude of the failures of communist/socialist states in the twentieth century. The left need new ideas away that aren't built upon a Marxist, materialist worldview nor the alienating social justice movement.

@@ThyCorylus Read Mike Davis' book about the famines of the Victorian era. You're drastically understating the wreckage of liberal capitalist ideas. I'm not sure why the Left ought to abandon materialism in response to the failure of the USSR and China, either. Idealism hardly has a better track record, and has often been a recipe for disaster in politics. Ideas as dangerous as homo economicus, "the people", Progress and the Father-land all originate from non-materialist, anti-realist worldviews. Bash the traditions of the Left all you want, but you can do it without escaping into fantasy.

@@ThyCorylus I agree that the Soviet Union and "Communist" China were abject failures. My point is that those regimes were so antithetical to values I consider essential to Socialism (ie. democracy, anti-authoritarianism, and decentralisation of political and economic power), that I don't even consider them of the political left, although they undeniably sprung from attempts to implement Socialism/Communism. I think it is very important to learn why they went so wrong and to try and build change in a very different way, but that does not mean that Socialism/Communism/Marxism should be completely abandoned. I consider myself a Communist, but very much of the Anarchist/Libertarian variety, and I believe it is far preferable to achieve my desired political change through peaceful reform, than violent uprising

@@robertwinslade3104 Don't bother. Seeing what Joel has to offer, he's a centrist pseud: in other words, one of the most dangerous, and tedious, utopians around.

@@lsobrien crikey, I'm the utopian, coming over to see what the socialists have to offer (nothing new it seems) Pot, kettle, black.