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How Can Catholics Say There's No Salvation Outside the Church? 

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Can someone be saved outside the Catholic Church? Trent Horn ‪@TheCounselofTrent‬ explores the Catholic doctrine of salvation and the distinction between denominations and apostolic churches.
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@Catholicity-uw2yb
@Catholicity-uw2yb Месяц назад
ST. TERESA OF LISIEUX: “It is not because I have been preserved from serious sin that I lift up my heart to God in trust and love. I am certain that even if I had on my conscience every imaginable sin, I should lose nothing of my confidence, but would throw myself, my heart broken with sorrow, into the arms of my Savior.” ST. POPE JOHN PAUL II: : “Eternal damnation remains a possibility, but we are not granted, without special divine revelation, the knowledge of whether or which human beings are effectively involved in it. The thought of hell and even less the improper use of biblical images must not create anxiety or despair... The concept of hellfire, the fiery furnace and the unquenchable fire of Gehenna need to be interpreted as symbolic language... The risen Jesus has conquered Satan, giving us the Spirit of God who makes us cry, ‘Abba, Father!’” (Rm 8:15; Gal 5:6).
@Catholicity-uw2yb
@Catholicity-uw2yb 2 месяца назад
ST. POPE JOHN PAUL II: “The universality of salvation means that it is granted not only to those who explicitly believe in Christ and have entered the church. Since salvation is offered to all, it must be made concretely available to all. But it is clear that today, as in the past, many people do not have an opportunity to come to know or accept the Gospel revelation or enter the Church. The social and cultural conditions in which they live do not permit this, and frequently they have been brought up in other religious traditions. For such people salvation in Christ is accessible by virtue of a grace, which, while having a mysterious relationship to the Church, does not make them formally part of the Church but enlightens them in a way which is accommodated to their spiritual and material situation. This grace comes from Christ; it is the result of his Sacrifice and is communicated by the Holy Spirit. It enables each person to attain salvation through his or her free cooperation.”
@donreinke5863
@donreinke5863 2 месяца назад
Propaganda, courtesy of JohnnyPaul2
@Catholicity-uw2yb
@Catholicity-uw2yb 2 месяца назад
1 JOHN 4:7-12: Beloved, let us love one another because love is of God; everyone who loves is begotten of God and has knowledge of God. The person without love has known nothing of God, for God is love. God’s love was revealed in our midst in this way: he sent his only Son to the world that we might have life through him. Love then, consists in this: not that we have loved God, but that he has loved us and has sent his Son as an offering for our sins. Beloved, if God has loved us so, we must have the same love for one another. No one has ever seen God. Yet if we love one another, God dwells in us, and his love is brought to perfection in us.
@chronos401
@chronos401 2 месяца назад
Starting when the Apostles were alive, various men appeared pushing their own brand of Christianity. This has continued up through today. The Bible instructs us to test the spirits, prophets, teachers, doctrines, and Gospel to see if they're from God. If they are not, do not listen to them. The vast majority have not done so. That's why Catholics and other denominations have lost sight of the real goal. The original church, if it survived, has had the responsibility for spreading God's Word worldwide, seeking conversions, and bringing back lost sheep. Early disciples risked their lives doing this.
@carakerr4081
@carakerr4081 2 месяца назад
Thank you for this excellent explanation 🙏
@ElectricBluJay
@ElectricBluJay 2 месяца назад
It appears there is salvation outside the church after all. There appear to be exceptions to the dogma of salvation through water baptism as well. Is there any condition for salvation in the Roman Catholic Church that is strictly non-negotiable?
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 Месяц назад
' Romans 6:23 says, 'For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. ' 'Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved' (Acts 4:12).
@fehrfamily4
@fehrfamily4 Месяц назад
Amen!
@davidcole333
@davidcole333 2 месяца назад
Bottom line is that Christ alone judges...and He can judge as he sees fit.
@jeremias-serus
@jeremias-serus 2 месяца назад
Indeed and thus we should do all we can to have the highest chance for salvation for possible. Join his official and only Church ASAP.
@cbooth151
@cbooth151 2 месяца назад
"Bottom line is that Christ alone judges...and He can judge as he sees fit." Not so. Jesus judges by God's standards. As John 5:30 says: ""I cannot do anything on my own; I judge as I hear, and my judgment is just, because I do not seek my own will but the will of the one who sent me."
@in_defense_of_the_church
@in_defense_of_the_church 2 месяца назад
@getrit3007the problem with your idea of evangelization is that those in Scripture witnessed to non believers. What you’re trying to compare is attracting people to a set of beliefs that don’t come from the Apostles. You’re either inviting them to an established community such as a presbyterian community, a baptist community, a lutheran community, any of the other established communities, or telling them all they need is the Bible and a personal relationship and no need for a Church. All of which are not what the Apostles taught. You may think you’re doing wrong in that work but you’re actually contradicting the Word and God’s will displacing the flock and not holding to the Traditions of the Apostles, whether spoken or written.
@in_defense_of_the_church
@in_defense_of_the_church 2 месяца назад
@getrit3007 it scares me to think you really hold to those ideas. “Men love going to other men to find God.” Well how did we come to know God and about God? When did God appear to every human to reveal Himself and His ways to every person? God always revealed Himself through men. So you reject going to men even when God has so chosen to work through them. How do you think you need Christ? That He is salvation? You might even consider Him your Lord and your King but yet you obviously reject His words. What He commanded. What He established. Here in America we don’t have a monarchy but if we did and our king spoke and we turned from his decrees how long do you think we’d last in his kingdom? How could we say we have a king when we don’t obey him? In like manner, how do you say we need Christ and in the same breath reject all that He said and did. Lastly, you quote Scripture. God Himself did not write those Books. Guess who did though, men. Not men as in males but men as in humans. You go to Scripture to find God bc up until today our Lord has not appeared to you face to face to tell you what you need to believe or not. All you know about God is from the Scriptures and those were works of men inspired by God. What did Jesus leave? A Bible? Confusion? Nada!! He left a Church.
@henrybenjaminstoneking238
@henrybenjaminstoneking238 2 месяца назад
And Christ said ""The Word I have spoken will be your judge on the last day." JOHN 12:48 Therefore, you need to live all the Teachings of LORD JESUS to be saved Luke 9:26 "Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels." The Roman Catholic Church is the only way top be saved; as this is the Church JESUS gave us through the Apostles. You need to confess your mortal sins, and you need to be baptized into the BODY OF CHRIST if you are outside of the BODY at your death, then you will perish with all the pagans IF you die without the HOLY GHOST inside of you, and you are an adult, then you will go to Hell forever The only way to get the SPIRIT inside of you is through the Catholic Church There can only be ONE Body of Christ, and this is obviously the Roman Catholic Church, (which is not the Novus Ordo Catholic Church because there is no such ting) the WORD Of GOD is TRUTH and the novus ordo is obviously lies from Hell Currently, the Catholic Church properties are in the weak hands of protestants and communists, and so you need to follow the true Catholic Faith on your own; and not be a part of their farce. Revelation 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “’Come out of her, my people,’ so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;" we are living in this time of Revelation 18, and we have a false Church that is built on lies, so it is your responsibility to learn the true faith, or you will perish with the liars occupying the beautiful Catholic Church properties. Soon, the Church will be in the appropriate hands, instead of those who want nobody to be saved But if you listen to liars- like your local fake priest, or the makers of this video, you will suffer for your own lack of responsibility for your own Soul
@BillyJoeBob-hd9fm
@BillyJoeBob-hd9fm Месяц назад
ST. TERESA BENEDICTA OF THE CROSS (EDITH STEIN): “It has always been far from me to think that God’s mercy allows itself to be circumscribed (limited) by the visible Church’s boundaries. God is Truth. All who seek truth seek God, whether this is clear to them or not.”
@Catholicity-uw2yb
@Catholicity-uw2yb Месяц назад
ST. POPE JOHN PAUL II: “By forgiving his executioners, Jesus showed he is not the accuser of the guilty but rather their advocate and intercessor. Jesus’ words of forgiveness - “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do” - were spoken in circumstances of the greatest hatred and cruelty. Jesus forgives His adversaries immediately, even as their hostility continues. Jesus is the defender, not the accuser of the guilty, because He knows that many can be less guilty than it appears, or one thinks. For this reason, he taught his followers not to judge others. The mercy Jesus asked for His executioners is extended to all humanity.”
@BillyJoeBob-hd9fm
@BillyJoeBob-hd9fm 25 дней назад
ST. POPE JOHN PAUL II: “Jesus is the prophet of love... Jesus came above all to teach us love. It constitutes the content of the greatest commandment he left to us. True love of one’s neighbor is, at the same time, love of God. Some people may be astonished by this. It certainly IS astonishing!”
@jaymoret7418
@jaymoret7418 Месяц назад
There's no salvation outside of Jesus Christ. And He's the head of the Catholic Church.
@sandragambrel9721
@sandragambrel9721 Месяц назад
And, He's the head of His body, of which we are all members of when we confess Jesus as our Lord, and Savior. How many members have to gather together to make a "church"? Two, or, three? When two, or three, are gathered together, in His name, He is there with them.
@jaymoret7418
@jaymoret7418 Месяц назад
@@sandragambrel9721 I appreciate your fallible interpretation and understanding. I believe it's incorrect. Our Lord can work outside His Church. But that's not the normal means of salvation.
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 Месяц назад
quote----And He's the head of the Catholic Church... unquote That is odd!! Really odd!! NO bible ever mentions a church named Catholic. Not even the Catholic bibles!!
@jaymoret7418
@jaymoret7418 Месяц назад
@@mitchellosmer1293 Not odd at all. Depends on your understanding of history, tradition, scripture and the magisterium. The Catholic Church came before, and compiled, the Bible (see Council of Rome in 382 AD, Council of Carthage in 393 AD and Council of Hippo in 399 AD). This is the only Bible. All others are incomplete books containing some scripture. No one has authority to add or subtract from the Bible (i.e. God's word). The word Trinity also isn't in the Bible. But it's (the concept) still in the Bible. God Bless.
@SaintMichael0825
@SaintMichael0825 27 дней назад
​@@mitchellosmer1293 John 5:39-40 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. Be the doers of the Word sir. If you love God, the first of His command, be obedient. That include to the Church He established. Luke 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me. Its crystal clear that the Lord was talking to His disciples. Not your pastor. Not you. No other pastor in different sect of Christians
@johnflorio3576
@johnflorio3576 2 месяца назад
Non Salus Extra Ecclesiam. Ephesians 4:4-6. There is only one God, only one faith, and only one baptism.
@br.m
@br.m 2 месяца назад
Yes and Roman Catholics are outside of the faith. Gone off script and taking captive with empty philosophy and tradition of men.
@markgraham2312
@markgraham2312 2 месяца назад
Nothing about the Catholic Church there.
@ironrex6979
@ironrex6979 2 месяца назад
@@markgraham2312the Catholic Church is the continuation of the original Church Fathers tradition.
@MountainsBreath
@MountainsBreath 2 месяца назад
@@markgraham2312where did you get your Bible from? Who canonized it? It’s the one true Catholic Church like it or not.
@markgraham2312
@markgraham2312 Месяц назад
@@MountainsBreath I got it from a store. It was canonized by the Christian Church in two church councils one in 393 AD in Carthage and the other in 397 AD in Hippo. What does: " It’s the one true Catholic" mean. What does "It's" refer to? I read the New Testament in its original Koine Greek, do you? Outside the Church there is salvation. It is the doctrine of the Catholic Church. Lumen Gentium, 16; Gaudium et Spes, 22; Ad Gentes, 7; Nostra Aetate, 1. With Vatican II the optimistic view of Karl Rahner has become clearly a matter of Catholic doctrine. Also consider: There are approximately 100 billion (100 x 10^9) stars in the Milky Way galaxy. Approximately 1/2 the stars have planets and the average number of planets orbiting a star are two. If the probability of developing life on the order of human beings is 1/50,000 then there are approximately: 100 x 10^9 x 1/2 x 2 x 1/50,000 = 2 million planets in our galaxy with life on the order of human beings. How will they ever know anything about Jesus Christ? How? Then take into account that there are about 200 billion (200 x 10^9) galaxies in the universe, which would yield: 200 x 10^9 galaxies x 2 million planets with life on the order of human beings = 400 quadrillion planets (400 x 10^12) with people on the order of human beings living on them. How is the Church going to get to them? Ever? Clearly, outside the Church there is salvation.
@apocryphanow
@apocryphanow 2 месяца назад
Perhaps put the question in reverse. If no one needs the Church, why did Jesus create the Church?
@HaleStorm49
@HaleStorm49 2 месяца назад
Perhaps it wasn't Jesus.
@andrewlailvaux1571
@andrewlailvaux1571 Месяц назад
The Church isn't a building it's everyone who has Faith in Christ regardless of interpretation of scripture.
@HaleStorm49
@HaleStorm49 Месяц назад
@@andrewlailvaux1571 One body, 40k blood types?
@andrewlailvaux1571
@andrewlailvaux1571 Месяц назад
@@HaleStorm49 1) Members of the Body of Christ are joined to Christ in salvation (Ephesians 4:15-16). 2) Members of the Body of Christ follow Christ as their Head (Ephesians 1:22-23). 3) Members of the Body of Christ are the physical representation of Christ in this world. The Church is the organism through which Christ manifests His life to the world today. 4) Members of the Body of Christ are indwelt by the Holy Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9). 5) Members of the Body of Christ possess a diversity of gifts suited to particular functions (1 Corinthians 12:4-31). “The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ” (verse 12). 6) Members of the Body of Christ share a common bond with all other Christians, regardless of background, race, or ministry. “There should be no division in the body, but . . . its parts should have equal concern for each other” (1 Corinthians 12:25). 7) Members of the Body of Christ are secure in their salvation (John 10:28-30). For a Christian to lose his salvation, God would have to perform an “amputation” on the Body of Christ! 8) Members of the Body of Christ partake of Christ’s death and resurrection (Colossians 2:12). 9) Members of the Body of Christ share Christ’s inheritance (Romans 8:17). 10) Members of the Body of Christ receive the gift of Christ’s righteousness (Romans 5:17). ;) What you got Catholic? Besides a lack of knowledge of scripture.
@GardenMinistry.
@GardenMinistry. Месяц назад
​@@andrewlailvaux1571 Just as the Lord instructed Moses to build a Tabernacle in a very specific way, a heavenly temple with the Arc of the Covenant inside. So too does The Catholic Church house a Tabernacle, the centerpiece of every church, where The Real Presence of The Lord in the Holy Eucharist lies inside. The is the Sacrament instituted by Jesus in the gospel. We bow and genuflect in the direction of the Tabernacle every time we walk inside a Catholic Church. There are many Eucharistic miracles you can look up, where the bread literally turns into flesh and blood. The "church" isn't only a community, it isn't only a building. To Catholics, The Church is where The Lord is, in The Tabernacle, and with the altar of the sacrifice where we worship. It is Heaven on Earth. This is Old Testament meets New Testament, this is the fullness of the faith completed in Christ. Sadly protestant "feel good rock concerts" and "40,000 different bible study interpretations" will always miss the mark, and will always lack the reverence, true worship (sacrifice), and fullness of what Christ wanted His true Church to be through his Apostolic succession. I highly HIGHLY recommend a RCIA course in your local Catholic Parish to learn more about the significance of what The Catholic Church actually teaches, not from misguided preachers, but from the actual Church itself. There are so many stories about anti-Catholic preachers converting to the Catholic faith after learning the deeper truth, check out Scott Hahn and Jeff Cavins among many others.
@BillyJoeBob-hd9fm
@BillyJoeBob-hd9fm Месяц назад
1CORINTHIANS 13: “If I have faith great enough to move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. There are in the end three things that last: faith, hope, and love, and the greatest of these is love.” Faith without love is not true faith. As Jesus said: "It is not those who call me "Lord! Lord!, but those who do the will of my heavenly Father." The will of God is that we love, for God is Love. "This is my commandment, that you love one another. By this will everyone know that you're my followers, that you love one another."
@SaintMichael0825
@SaintMichael0825 27 дней назад
Amen. We will be judge on how we love.
@voxpopuli8132
@voxpopuli8132 26 дней назад
@@SaintMichael0825 right. does not matter, we which Church we belong to. Or even if we are atheists, right?
@SaintMichael0825
@SaintMichael0825 26 дней назад
@@voxpopuli8132 Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. If you love the Lord, prove it by your actions. Not just by lipservice. Obey everything what He said. Including this; Luke 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me. Your gonna obey the Lord's discples. Right? What ever the Church teaches/ said, you have to obey.
@mariamartins5796
@mariamartins5796 25 дней назад
​@@voxpopuli8132Jesus Christ said, if you love me you keep my commands. Not just the commands from the old covenant, but also the new. Jonh 6 53:54. Then Jesus said unto them verly verly I say unto you except you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink His blood ye have no life in you 54.whose eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath eternal life and I will raise him up at the last day. Jesus Christ commanded the Apostles to baptize all nations, gave them authority to forgive or retain sin, and at last supper Jesus gave himself to his Apostles under bread and wine and order them to go and do the same. He was ordaining His new church. Whith His new Priests. In the old testament God says He will make a new priestly covenant.
@JesusRulez-l3j
@JesusRulez-l3j 14 дней назад
@@mariamartins5796In Romans, St. Paul says: “Let love be your only debt. Owe no one anything except the debt that binds us to love one another. If you love others, you have done all that the law demands. In the law there are many commands... but all of these are summed up in the single command that says, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself’. Love does no harm to the neighbor. Hence, love is the fulfillment of God’s law.”
@Catholicity-uw2yb
@Catholicity-uw2yb 2 месяца назад
THE DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.”
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 2 месяца назад
Yes, that’s correct. However, how many current day Protestants can honestly claim not to know the Truth of His One True Church which they have knowingly rejected?
@vSwampFox
@vSwampFox Месяц назад
VERY FEW are those. Matt. 7:13-14
@Catholicity-uw2yb
@Catholicity-uw2yb Месяц назад
@@vSwampFox POPE BENEDICT XVI: While Catholic believe the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit and that it is true, “one cannot take individual biblical quotes or passages and say each one is literally true.” “It is possible to understand the sacred Scriptures as the word of God only by looking at the Bible as a whole, a totality in which the individual elements enlighten each other and open the way to understanding. It is not possible to apply the criterion of inspiration or of absolute truth in a mechanical way, extrapolating a single phrase or expression.” Catholic News Service, May 2011
@BillyJoeBob-hd9fm
@BillyJoeBob-hd9fm Месяц назад
@@vSwampFox And certainly, you are among those very few! LOL
@vSwampFox
@vSwampFox Месяц назад
@@Catholicity-uw2yb while the Holy Father is correct in this statement, the entire statement is not fully true. It is indeed entirely possible to be inspired, of an absolutely truth, from a single phrase or single scripture. So claiming it impossible, is simply not true.
@rhwinner
@rhwinner 2 месяца назад
If you're not at the supper of the Lamb in the Holy Eucharist, if you deliberately absent yourself from the flock of Christ, if you cut yourself off from the Body of Christ, if you withhold charity for your Brothers in Christ and hurl invective and slander, and accuse of being in league with Beelzebub, then your sin is very dire indeed.
@mikewilliams6025
@mikewilliams6025 2 месяца назад
Yes. And it's just as dire for Catholics as it is for Protestants.
@TimSpangler-rd6vs
@TimSpangler-rd6vs 2 месяца назад
@@mikewilliams6025 I have eternal life.
@mikewilliams6025
@mikewilliams6025 2 месяца назад
@TimSpangler-rd6vs me too, brother! Thank you, Lord!
@Diesel_Mountain
@Diesel_Mountain 2 месяца назад
@@rhwinner tell that to everyone around the world being persecuted for their belief in Jesus Christ yet don't have a brick and mortar building to attend. All the Chinese and North Koreans and beyond who don't participate are less in your eyes because they aren't loyal to your organization. That's terrible logic, and if you think God will punish for that, one of us doesn't know the Lord Jesus as we think we do.
@jpstahl2939
@jpstahl2939 Месяц назад
Here is the question I have then. Is someone saved by obeying God and avoiding sin or are they saved through faith in Jesus? My answer is that a person is saved through faith, then they are a new creature that desires to obey God and avoid sin, but it was that faith that brought the person into the kingdom of Light. Col 1:13-14
@in_defense_of_the_church
@in_defense_of_the_church 2 месяца назад
I’ll start by admitting my ignorance in what the Church’s formal documents say about this and I’m willing to submit to what Holy Mother Church has decided about this but as for now in my ignorance I hold the thought that apologists and many Catholics are afraid to stand firm and draw a hard line on this topic. Yes, being charitable is a must but it’s like we try to blur the line so that others don’t get offended. Our Lord is not bound by an institution and He is not bound by the Sacraments but is He bound by His own words? I believe we hold to the truth that God does not contradict Himself. Yes as the parable of the workers teaches that He can do what He pleases with His money/salvation, God has also said things like Matthew 7:21 and Luke 6:46. Why did our Lord start an ecclesia if it wasn’t His will that all who believe should come into it as in John 17:21-23? Those Christian clubs may have bits and pieces of the truth but if I or any Catholic today left the Church to teach half truths and some errors She would excommunicate us not support the decision bc we still hold on to some truths. Why would it be any different for groups that broke of a few centuries ago and even more with groups breaking off even more recently. Islam in a vague sense does contain some truths but we don’t hold to the belief that whether a person is Christian or muslim makes no difference. Half truths and schisms are not God’s will per Scripture. Why share the faith and defend Holy Mother Church just to go back and tell those outside of the Church that being in or out isn’t that serious? We, as Catholics, don’t even believe in us having an infallible certitude of our own salvation and we let non Catholics believe that hey they may potentially, possibly, because God is so merciful, bc they hold to some truths, may find salvation in their rejection of the Church and Her doctrines and dogmas. Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus! Not because we think we are better than others but because it’s our baptismal obligation to share the truth so that those who hear it may accept it and who hears the words of the Apostles hears the Lord and the One who sent Him and those who reject the words of the Apostles reject our Lord and the One who sent Him. Our yes should be yes and our no should be no. “That which is over and above these, is of evil.” Matthew 5:37.
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 Месяц назад
FACTS: Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope. Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven. Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intecessor. Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned. Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin. Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church. Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic. Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead. Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers. Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship. Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest" Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins. Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church. >>>> CHRISTIAN The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one", >>> A Christian (/ˈkrɪstʃən, -tiən/) is a person who follows or adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
@in_defense_of_the_church
@in_defense_of_the_church Месяц назад
@@mitchellosmer1293 wow you really got us there! Solid arguments and you definitely know what you’re talking about 😂 You forgot two or three. Christ never taught that people were to read a Bible. Christ never taught His Apostles to write books for a future Bible. Christ never taught He was sending Ellen degeneres white to give further prophesies.
@EA-lo1bi
@EA-lo1bi Месяц назад
This title of the video is misleading because there is ONLY salvation IN Christ, not the church. “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭6‬:‭23‬ The word “through” in this passage is not in the Greek manuscripts, it’s the koine Greek word “en” which is defined as: in, on, at, by, with. If you just study scripture, these questions will be answered. The gospel during this dispensation is clearly laid out in 1 Cor. 15:1-4.
@catholicdoomer
@catholicdoomer 2 месяца назад
I am a former Protestant and I thank God now I have the sacrament of reconciliation. Can protestants have an act of perfect contrition in the moment of their deaths and be saved? Yeah, sure, but this act seems to be RARE. The contrition we make in the confessional is very often imperfect, but it's enough for us to be perfectly cleansed from sin. And Protestants have to ask God forgiveness for have been so anti-Catholic for their entire lives - which is often the case. So, I see they can have a shot, but I think the vast majority won't make it. And I say this being the only Catholic in my Protestant family. The thing I ask the most in my prayers is their conversion. I also pray a lot for my ancestors who had perished and might be in purgatory...
@catholicdoomer
@catholicdoomer 2 месяца назад
I also think if Jesus decided to build His own Church upon the apostles, that means the is the safest way to be saved. It has to be the safest BY FAR. I also think those Churches who still have valid sacraments can provide a way that is safer than protestantism, but not as safe as Catholicism. Again, if Jesus thought it was important to give the keys to Saint Peter, it has to make some difference...
@catholicdoomer
@catholicdoomer 2 месяца назад
Finally, protestants still have valid baptisms. The problem is to remain in state of grace for the rest of your life without sinning mortally even once. But that means their still have better chances than non-Christians, in my modest opinion.
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 2 месяца назад
Well put, yet so called, Bible believing Protestants disingenuously claim that confession is not biblical which it is Jn 20:23 They say that neither is purgatory in the bible which it is 2 Maccabees 12 36-49 and I Corinthians 3:11-15 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved 1 John 5 16-17 reference to deadly (mortal) sin & non deadly sin (venial) sin Luke 12 27-40 the four servants are treated differently, the faithful one gains Heaven, the second Hell & the other two, purgatory
@henrybenjaminstoneking238
@henrybenjaminstoneking238 Месяц назад
@catholicdoomer No Protestant can be saved, you need to learn the real Catholic Faith and depart from the novus ordo false Church These lies were made to appease Protestants (Vat2) and so this is now a Communist and Protestant false church inside Catholic Church properties So do not believe the soft lies, and stay with the hard truth of LORD JESUS I am glad you need confession and appear to have departed from the fallen protesters You are correct, protestants travel to the end of the Earth to try to convert Catholic people, and this is an evil work, and GOD finds this so disgusting I dont think we can imagine HIS ANGER I do not mean to cause you confusion about the Catholic Faith, but vatican 2 is not Catholic, as it is built on several heresies that already existed A real pope MAINTAINS and PROTECTS the Faith, and would never attempt what these false popes did with Vatican 2 Dogma that must be believed for YOU to be saved: Outside of the Roman Catholic Church, there is NO SALVATION If you do not believe this, then you are outside of the Body of Christ yourself I have relatives too, and they are all most likely damned, and there is nothing your prayers can do about it. We want to make it to Heaven ourselves and we cannot go back and relive the lives of our fallen relatives for them This is very common among Asians as well, to basically worship your ancestors, and this is to prefer them over GOD and TRUTH We can make it to Heaven if we desire it, and fight hard for it, otherwise we will be with our relatives in Hell, and who benefits from that? This was their choice to be damned as a protester of GODS Church; and they did not take their life seriously enough Sacraments given to False Catholics are as worthless as attending a protestant church, they are mere condemnation, and that is all they are I have fake Catholic relatives and also protester relatives, but I only have one real family The BODY OF CHRIST and this is who loves me, and this is who I am loyal to there is no such thing as GRACE coming to those outside of the BODY OF CHRIST because Grace only comes from GOD, the HOLY GHOST being inside your Soul Since your Baptism is one of the novus ordo, I would redo it, and only use the false Church for confession Do not bother attending Mass because the liturgy gives no Grace and their words are designed to lead you astray These tough times should be over soon, and you will be a real Catholic under a real Pope But a Baptism into the novus ordo is the same thing as a protestant baptism, it is NULL on its face A covenant between you and GOD cannot be built on ANY lies If you did not know they were lies, then GOD knows this But once you commit to the real Faith, then you should redo the Baptism and commit to following all the teachings of JESUS and the real Catholic Church You can have anybody Baptize you, and I would not recommend the liars inside the Church properties for this special event We can use them for confession merely because they occupy Church properties' and so we need to use our Church for this Since I have departed from the evil protestant communist novus ordo church, I have not mortally sinned anyway It is very frustrating to deal with these sick souls inside our Church, and so it tends to make one fall into despair, and this makes us fall into sin Work hard on the streets to fight against abortion, and spread your love for GOD among people with your good works this is living the Faith more than going to Church all the time anyway
@samuelotache9239
@samuelotache9239 Месяц назад
@@catholicdoomer you are right in everything you said but in reverse. Substitute Catholic for where you said Protestant and Protestant for where you said Catholic .
@mr.e8432
@mr.e8432 Месяц назад
I don’t have my copy of the catechism on me right now, but I’m pretty sure it acknowledges that even non-believers can be saved. The amount of disinformation nondenominational Christians have about Catholicism is staggering.
@Catholicity-uw2yb
@Catholicity-uw2yb Месяц назад
ST. TERESA BENEDICTA OF THE CROSS (EDITH STEIN): “It has always been far from me to think that God’s mercy allows itself to be circumscribed (limited) by the visible Church’s boundaries. God is Truth. All who seek truth seek God, whether this is clear to them or not.”
@Catholicity-uw2yb
@Catholicity-uw2yb Месяц назад
THE DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.”
@fehrfamily4
@fehrfamily4 Месяц назад
Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2 so that means anyone can be saved, that includes non-believers.
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 Месяц назад
quote---The amount of disinformation nondenominational Christians have about Catholicism is staggering.. unquote The amount of lies the Catholic church teaches is staggering!!!. Quote the bible (book, chapter and verse) and debunk these: (NO sarcasm please) FACTS: Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.-----(where is the title Pope in the Bible?) Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven.--(Where does the bible say Mary will go/has gone to heaven?) Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor. (Where does the bible say Mary is a mediator? Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned. (Where in the bible does it state Mary never sinned?) Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin. (Where in the bible does it state Mary remained a virgin?) Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church. (Where is the Bible does it state a mere man is head of Christ's church?) Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic. (Where in the Bible is a church named Catholic mentioned?) Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.?--(Where is the bible does it state we can pray to the dead?) Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers. (Where in the bible does it state the dead can hear our prayers?) Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship. (Where in the Bible does IT STATE GOD changed the day of worship to Sunday?) Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest". (Where in the Bible does it state we are to confess our sins to a Priest?) Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins. (Where in the Bible does it state a priest can forgive our sins?) Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church...(Where is the bible does it state our salvation comes from a church?) Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!! (Where in the bile does it state we are to use/pray to beads?) Christ NEVER started a church named Catholic!!! (Where in the Bible does it mention a church named Catholic?) >>>> Question where can I find in scripture? Indulgences? Penance? Black Pope? The Church's records tell us there were potentially three Black popes in Catholic history: Pope Victor I, who headed the church from 189-199, Pope Miltiades (311-314), and Pope Gelasius I, who was pope from 492-496 Confession booth? Purgatory? Baby baptism? December 25th Easter? Monstrance? Unmarried priest? Priest drinking wine ? Wizard hat? Mitre Kissing of statues? Burning incense to statues? Sprinkle “ so called Holy Water “ on statues and people? The use of Coptic shell decoration on baby baptism bowl? Praying to the dead? Please attach scripture of any Hebrew keeping SUNDAY as a holy day? You think this is fun right you think I have nothing better to do with my life???? You think Satan cares about you? I know he hates me…. He can use his servants as vipers Christ has given the solution….HIS WORD ! This is not personal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CHRISTIAN The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one", FOLLOWERS of the TEACHINGS of Christ!!! Written 2000 years ago! NOT my interpretation!!! >>> A Christian (/ˈkrɪstʃən, -tiən/) is a person who follows or adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
@JW_______
@JW_______ 2 месяца назад
Many words, in this case, were used to not answer the question rather than to answer it.
@jaykwonzzz
@jaykwonzzz 2 месяца назад
There's a lot of comments on this video that seem to be making salvific claims. If you think you know who will be saved, then I suggest you examine your relationship with God and the Church.
@danielcigolea7221
@danielcigolea7221 2 месяца назад
So are you saying the whole Catholic faith is wrong because they make the claim that they know who is saved?
@jaykwonzzz
@jaykwonzzz 2 месяца назад
@@danielcigolea7221 The Catholic church never makes a claim to know who, without error, is saved. They have doctrines that outline salvation, but even Pope John Paul II said when discussing baptism by implicit desire, "Since Christ died for everyone, and since the ultimate calling of each of us comes from God and is therefore a universal one, we are obliged to hold that the Holy Spirit offers everyone the possibility of sharing in this Paschal Mystery in a manner known to God." This is saying that salvation is available to those who do not know Christ because Christ died for all of us, but he also makes sure to say that everyone is offered the possibility...in a manner known to God. The idea that any earthly entity can say for sure who is saved and who isn't is anathema to Catholicism. Take the sacraments: the Church and its followers are bound by them, but that doesn't mean God is.
@danielcigolea7221
@danielcigolea7221 2 месяца назад
@@jaykwonzzz There are videos of priests at mass teaching that salvation can only be attained inside the Catholic church. Therefore, they indirectly say they know for sure who is saved and who is not. If this is not orthodox doctrine I am not sure why are they still priests or why are not corrections being made. I often hear people excusing this type of things (on various subjects) by saying 'this is not official doctrine' but they continue to preach it as true. That does not make any sense.
@baldwinthefourth4098
@baldwinthefourth4098 Месяц назад
We know that those outside of the Church are damned because that's what the Church explicitely teaches.
@jaykwonzzz
@jaykwonzzz Месяц назад
@@baldwinthefourth4098 No, that's not what the church "explicitly teaches". More bad theology. The Church teaches that "there is no salvation outside The Church", but the explicit nature of what that means is only known to a degree. Define "in communion with The Church". This is why the very concept of baptism by desire exists. We know some ways to salvation, but not every way. Likewise, we are held by the sacraments, but God is not. Again, you should really analyze your relationship with The Church if you feel comfortable in making salvific claims.
@southernlady1109
@southernlady1109 2 месяца назад
Jesus Christ established His One Only True Apostolic Catholic Church, Clergy, Doctrine, Sacraments & Teachings, with His apostles, in 33AD, before His Passion. He appointed them leaders, Peter as Head, gave him The Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven(His authority, power, Doctrine). He taught and prayed for everyone to be His One True Church, His Bride, receiving His Sacraments, Doctrine & Teaching. Jn 1:42, 21:15-17, Mt 16:18-19, 10:1-4, Mk3:14-19, Eph 2:19-22, 1 Cor 12:28, Acts 20:28, Lk 22:28-32, 1 Pet 2:6-9, Eph5:22-33, Rev 22:17 He taught we’re to remain in His Church, Doctrine or we DO NOT HAVE HIM. 2 Jn 1:9 He taught we’re to receive His Sacraments or we will never enter Heaven. Jn3:5, 6:51-59, 1 Cor 11:23-29, Jn 20:21-23, 2 Cor 5:18-20, Mt18:17-18 a few. Jesus commanded us to defend His Church & Faith. Eph 6:10-18 Jesus rebuked the Pharisees and Scribes for making their own versions of His Church, Doctrine and Teachings, like all 44,000 other Christian Churches & other faiths have done. They can’t receive His Sacraments. They don’t receive His Doctrine, Scripture, Gospel or Sacred Traditions; they receive heretical men’s versions of Gods. That’s like telling God you think your way is better. Mt 23:1-39, Lk 11:37-54 Remain in His Church, Doctrine & Gospel-Jn 10:16, 17:20-26, Eph 4:4-6, 2 JN1:9, 2 Thess3:6-16, Rom16:17, Heb 13:9, Gal 1:6-9, 2 Cor 11:3-4 Sacraments-Jn 3:5, Act 22:16, 2 Cor 5:18-20, Jn 20:21-23, Mt 18:17-18, Jn 6:51-59, 1 Cor 11:23-29, Eph 1:13, 2Cor 1:21-22, Mt19:4-6, Col 3:17-19, 2Cor5:20, 1:25-29, Lk22:28-32, Jm 5:16, Lk10:34 are a few pertinent verses.
@donreinke5863
@donreinke5863 2 месяца назад
His church ceased to exist once mere men corrupted it.
@southernlady1109
@southernlady1109 2 месяца назад
@@donreinke5863 Gods Catholic Church (His Bride) will be raised into Heaven on the Last Day. He said the forces of hell will not prevail against His Church. Instead of trolling videos to slander Gods Church, you owe it to yourself to learn about the only Church established by our God and Savior Jesus Christ. Why are you trolling Catholic videos?
@chronos401
@chronos401 2 месяца назад
Waves of Catholic hierarchy created their own manmade versions of the church, doctrine, and teachings. Starting when the Apostles were alive, various men appeared and pushed their own brand of Christianity. That's why scripture instructs to test the spirits, prophets, teachers, doctrines, and Gospel to see if they're from God. The vast majority have not been doing this. Here are some examples: Jesus said to repent (turn away) from sin. Your hierarchy changed that into just confess, the more the better but at least once a year. The Apostles created a list of sins to avoid and required all transgressions be confessed right before receiving the Eucharist. Your hierarchy changed that to only mortal sins without providing a list of them nor venial ones. 1 Timothy 3 states the bishops, priests, and deacons must be married men with children and meet other criteria. Your hierarchy imposed a celibacy requirement then marriage ban beginning in the 11th and 12th century, respectively. Early Christians fasted with no food every Wed and Fri from sundown the day prior to sunset the day of. Your hierarchy changed fasting to only two days per year and the person is allowed to eat a full meal and two partial meals during that period. On and on and on.
@southernlady1109
@southernlady1109 2 месяца назад
@@chronos401 100% FALSE! Your opinion & interpretation does not negate Gods truth. Why are you trolling Catholic videos?
@philkasouf256
@philkasouf256 2 месяца назад
Hey, lots of bible verses to ponder, Here''s a couple of more to consider , that you may not like. 1Timothy 4:1-4
@racksityentertainment
@racksityentertainment Месяц назад
Am I the only one thinking this? Few humans with authority having the ability to canonize and call some chosen humans « saints » is opposed to the biblical revelation, since in the book, all brothers and sisters are saints. That’s why apostle Paul called members of the churches saints, it’s not a title for some exclusive people. It’s supposed to be the reality for all believers on the path of sanctification.
@watchyoutb
@watchyoutb 2 месяца назад
I would need to read more on this teaching but to the less read up layperson it's one of those things which feels a bit difficult to fit together. I'd want it to be a bit simpler - "you need to be a member of the Catholic Church". But then the talk of people being members of the "invisible" Church etc., those that sincerely seek the truth, muddies the water and it gets more complicated and more difficult to get to grips with. Not many people are going to actually read enough to get a unified understanding. Maybe I'll get around to it one day.
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 2 месяца назад
You don’t need to read much to understand the basics. Essentially, Jesus est His One True Church which is the pillar & foundation of Truth 1 Tim 3:15 which codified the Bible in 382. Those with invincible ignorance, such as never hearing about Christianity or Catholicism can be saved by God in His mercy. However, those who knowingly reject the teachings of His Church put their salvation at risk. Think how many times that that has happened since the reformation!
@watchyoutb
@watchyoutb 2 месяца назад
​​@@geoffjs thanks. So I guess the crucial part is "put their salvation at risk" is different to the dogma "no salvation". I'm thinking of good people who refuse to become Catholic, they remain another denomination with full knowledge. That's surely rejecting Catholic teaching
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 2 месяца назад
@@watchyoutbOnly God can & will each person’s heart. However, I know fractious Protestants who are ill willed towards the CC & reject papal authority as well as His Real Presence in the Eucharist Jn 6:53 & regard baptism Jn 3:5 as optional thereby disobeying Jesus. I don’t think that it will go well for them because of that disobedience Lk 12 27-40
@masterchief8179
@masterchief8179 2 месяца назад
For the Catholic Church, “Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus” doesn’t mean (and it has never meant) that every individual outside of the formal/ full membership in the Catholic Church is necessarily damned. What damns someone in the eyes of an All-Benevolent God - who is also the Lord of Justice - is culpability in mortal sinning. What does it mean? That non-Catholics (and in some cases even formal Catholics can be accountable for those) are responsible either for their own deliberate acts of schism and/or heresy, either for their culpable/ vincible ignorance. _“(…) one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [i.e., Protestant ecclesial communities] that resulted from such separation and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers. _*_All who have been justified by faith in baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church_*_ (….)”_ (CCC, § 818). That doesn’t mean one can be saved elsewhere but being part of the Catholic Church. It can mean to be mystically united to it, with different degrees of perfection. It won’t jeopardize the salvation of a pious Orthodox old lady in the countryside of Bulgaria or a humble Baptist mom of four children that lived their Christian life the best they could (and not to antagonize with us as a way of identity), meaning that, according to our theology, they are supposedly personally guilt of the sin of division/ schism or that they are culpable of heresies for the simple fact that they were born outside of Catholic community: it is simply to flirt with the heresy of Feeneyism. That’s not Catholic dogma, my friend.
@TimSpangler-rd6vs
@TimSpangler-rd6vs 2 месяца назад
@@geoffjs How do you know the Church is the Pillar of truth?
@philippechappuis8706
@philippechappuis8706 Месяц назад
The Catholic Church is not the universal Church Every true believers not matter what denominational background makes up the body of Christ which is the Church of our Lord Jesus Christ Being a catholic does not mean you are saved neither being a protestant Salvation is only in the Name Jesus Christ for He alone is the Way the Truth and the Life. Selah Shalom
@coldforgedcowboy
@coldforgedcowboy 2 месяца назад
@Catholic Answers you should have probably brought up Feeneyism when answering this question as it would have helped a lot.
@MaranglikPeterTo-Rot
@MaranglikPeterTo-Rot 2 месяца назад
Thank you Catholic Answers. And a special thanks to Trent Horn. Gracias ❤️
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 Месяц назад
Quote the bible (book, chapter and verse) and debunk these: (NO sarcasm please) FACTS: Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.-(where is the title Pope in the Bible?) Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven. (Where does the bible say Mary will go/has gone to heaven?) Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor. (Where does the bible say Mary is a mediator? Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned. (Where in the bible does it state Mary never sinned?) Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin. (Where in the bible does it state Mary remained a virgin?) Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church. (Where is the Bible does it state a mere man is head of Christ's church?) Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic. (Where in the Bible is a church named Catholic mentioned?) Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.-(Where is the bible does it state we can pray to the dead?) Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers. (Where in the bible does it state the dead can hear our prayers Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship . (Where in the Bible does IT STATE GOD changed the day of worship to Sunday?) Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest". (Where in the Bible does it state we are to confess our sins to a Priest?) Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins. (Where in the Bible does it state a priest can forgive our sins Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church..(Where is the bible does it state our salvation comes from a church Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!! (Where in the bile does it state we are to use/pray to beads?) Christ NEVER started a church named Catholic!!! (Where in the Bible does it mention a church named Catholic?) >>>>By your refusal to refute my facts, implies they ARE ALL CORRECT!!! Question where can I find in scripture? Indulgences? Penance? Black Pope? The Church's records tell us there were potentially three Black popes in Catholic history: Pope Victor I, who headed the church from 189-199, Pope Miltiades (311-314), and Pope Gelasius I, who was pope from 492-496 Confession booth? Purgatory? Baby baptism? December 25th Easter? Monstrance? Unmarried priest? Priest drinking wine ? Wizard hat? Mitre Kissing of statues? Burning incense to statues? Sprinkle “ so called Holy Water “ on statues and people? The use of Coptic shell decoration on baby baptism bowl? Praying to the dead? Please attach scripture of any Hebrew keeping SUNDAY as a holy day? *****By your refusal to refute my facts, implies they ARE ALL CORRECT!!! You think this is fun right you think I have nothing better to do with my life???? You think Satan cares about you? I know he hates me…. He can use his servants as vipers Christ has given the solution….HIS WORD ! This is not personal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CHRISTIAN The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one", FOLLOWERS of the TEACHINGS of Christ!!! Written 2000 years ago! NOT my interpretation!!! >>> A Christian (/ˈkrɪstʃən, -tiən/) is a person who follows or adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
@blaiseaimee7098
@blaiseaimee7098 Месяц назад
How come Trent keeps saying "Church Catholic" instead of "Catholic Church"? I didn't get the memo.
@andreysaiz8208
@andreysaiz8208 2 месяца назад
St. Cyprian (d. 258), who explicitly stated that there is “no salvation outside the Church” (Epistle 72, #21). Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, Constitution 1, 1215, ex cathedra: “There is indeed one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which nobody at all is saved, in which Jesus Christ is both priest and sacrifice.”(Lateran IV, 1) In 1302 Pope Boniface VIII said: We declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff. (Unam Sanctam) Pope Clement V, Council of Vienne, Decree # 30, 1311‐1312, ex cathedra: “Since however there is for both regulars and seculars, for superiors and subjects, for exempt and non‐exempt, one universal Church, outside of which there is no salvation, for all of whom there is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism…” Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra: “Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.” Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given 9 away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.” In 1442 the Council of Florence (1442) stated: It firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the catholic church, …, cannot share in eternal life… unless they are joined to the catholic church before the end of their lives. (Cum Cantate) Pope Pius IV, Council of Trent, “Iniunctum nobis,” Nov. 13, 1565, ex cathedra: “This true Catholic faith, outside of which no one can be saved… I now profess and truly hold…” Pope Benedict XIV, Nuper ad nos, March 16, 1743, Profession of Faith: “This faith of the Catholic Church, without which no one can be saved, and which of my own accord I now profess and truly hold…” Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos (# 13), Aug. 15, 1832: “With the admonition of the apostle that ‘there is one God, one faith, one baptism’ (Eph. 4:5) may those fear who contrive the notion that the safe harbor of salvation is open to persons of any religion whatever. They should consider the testimony of Christ Himself that ‘those who are not with Christ are against Him,’ (Lk. 11:23) and that they disperse unhappily who do not gather with Him. Therefore, ‘without a doubt, they will perish forever, unless they hold the Catholic faith whole and inviolate” (Athanasian Creed). Pope Pius IX In an allocution (address to an audience) on December 9th, 1854 he said: We must hold as of the faith, that out of the Apostolic Roman Church there is no salvation; that she is the only ark of safety, and whosoever is not in her perishes in the deluge; we must also, on the other hand, recognize with certainty that those who are invincible in ignorance of the true religion are not guilty for this in the eyes of the Lord. And who would presume to mark out the limits of this ignorance according to the character and diversity of peoples, countries, minds and the rest? Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council I, Session 2, Profession of Faith, 1870, ex cathedra: “This true Catholic faith, outside of which none can be saved, which I now freely profess and truly hold…” Vatican II said: This Sacred Council… teaches that the Church… is necessary for salvation… Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved. (Lumen Gentium, 14).
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 2 месяца назад
Well stated! Modern people try too easily to deny the necessity for salvation of His One True Church, thus putting their salvation at risk. There is no such concept as once saved, always saved, a Protestant heresy!
@henrybenjaminstoneking238
@henrybenjaminstoneking238 Месяц назад
Vatican 2 is not a sacred council and you should know this Unfortunately, most the men quoted as popes have serious issues with their papacy and therefore are more than likely NULL as teachers We had a HUMANIST invasion that started very early on, and by the time of Jerome and Augustine, the Church was almost entirely in their feeble dirty worldly hands But we do not need them, because it is obvious from the facts First, you need the HOLY GHOST inside of your Soul to be saved Otherwise, your Soul is in a state of Death, and so how could you pass through judgment? Also, how could a man with demons inside his soul, like all pagans and protesters have-die and go to Heaven? Impossible "Unless you believe that I AM HE, you will die in your sins" LORD JESUS So there is no way you can get Absolution on this Earth outside the Catholic Church, so you will die in your mortal sins, and be condemned for them As the Word states so many times, you need to make deals with your adversary before it is too late or read the parable of the 10 virgins If you die outside of Grace, then you will be shut out So we have the Word of GOD to show us that we cannot be saved outside of the Roman Catholic Church But the novus ordo and Vatican 2 are protestant invasions of the real Catholic Church, so you need to sever yourself from these lost people and their lies and deceptions and live the real Faith on your own until we get a real pope in there to clean it up
@MarvelGamer2023
@MarvelGamer2023 Месяц назад
Well said
@Catholicity-uw2yb
@Catholicity-uw2yb Месяц назад
ST. TERESA BENEDICTA OF THE CROSS (EDITH STEIN): “It has always been far from me to think that God’s mercy allows itself to be circumscribed (limited) by the visible Church’s boundaries. God is Truth. All who seek truth seek God, whether this is clear to them or not.”
@andreysaiz8208
@andreysaiz8208 Месяц назад
@@Catholicity-uw2yb Hello, are you saying this statement or opinion supersedes the provided magisterial sources?
@user-zo4nk4uq7z
@user-zo4nk4uq7z 2 дня назад
I will never ever ever be a Roman Catholic, never in a million years.
@silenthammer2900
@silenthammer2900 2 месяца назад
"Unless you eat my body and drink my blood, you shall not have life within you." This is a clear statement of one of the requirements for salvation. However, immediately after Jesus died on the crucifix, He descended into Hell (Hades?). What did He DO there? It is believed that He released those awaiting Heaven, but were denied because Jesus Christ had not existed -- as a MAN as well as God -- and therefore His Salvation did not exist on earth yet. God is not a MAN. He is a Being we can not grasp with our human minds. Whatever is His Will is being carried out now, in the past and in the future. Amongst His characteristics is His COMPASSION, and He does not HATE anything He created. And the choice for salvation is mainly by humans, ourselves. Salvation is AVAILABLE. We CHOOSE salvation or we reject it. The Catholic Church has The Means for us to "Eat" and "Drink" of Him, and it is available to ALL people. So, given that fact, those who choose to reverently and adoringly do so, not refuse it, will be Saved. We will all sin, in some way. We will probably carry some of those sins into death. But as long as we are not inherently EVIL people, we will not be condemned for eternity. We will be offered a time and circumstance to forgive ourselves -- "clean up", as it were -- and don the spotless wedding garment. Praise Be The Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Peace be with you!
@codexman900
@codexman900 Месяц назад
@@silenthammer2900 yo hello, i agree with what you say, but i think, from what i understand with you saying God is not a man, is like saying that the Lord Jesus did not have a human nature, which is contradictory to what the Church teaches
@silenthammer2900
@silenthammer2900 Месяц назад
@@codexman900 Thanks, my friend. No, that's not how I meant it. I meant that WE should not refer to God as "the man upstairs." I totally agree that Jesus had and has two natures, God and Man. But some of us "throw His name around" as though God's our buddy down the street, and that our Awe of God -- Fear of The Lord -- is only earthly. Some folks believe that God will just let our sins "slide," and that He'll "understand." As if we take $50 our of Mom's purse for drugs, but "She'll understand." The problem and blessing is that God DOES indeed understand. So, we have no "I'm only human" excuse for our actions. No, Jesus IS God and Human. He suffered the death that may be the most horrible ever, and ever to come. He was TOTALLY Human, no "kings-ex" for the pain. The humiliation, the sorrow at seeing His brothers and sisters do the thing we do to each other -- for which He suffered and died. How can an adult not see and react to that?
@codexman900
@codexman900 Месяц назад
@@silenthammer2900 i understand, i just thought that you're denying His human nature, but it appears i misunderstood. Cheers my guy
@mitchellscott1843
@mitchellscott1843 2 месяца назад
With all due respect Trent really didn't answer the question as it pertains to Protestantism.
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 2 месяца назад
Knowingly rejecting His One True Church by whoever, puts one’s salvation at risk esp disobeying Jesus iro baptism Jn 3:5 & His Real True Presence Jn 6 53 which are necessary for salvation.
@SaintJoseph911
@SaintJoseph911 2 месяца назад
Yeah he kinda talked around that one
@thomasbielinski
@thomasbielinski 2 месяца назад
He did
@thomasbielinski
@thomasbielinski 2 месяца назад
Minute 1:05
@brandonp2530
@brandonp2530 2 месяца назад
He did answer the question
@WordofGodinmyheart
@WordofGodinmyheart 2 месяца назад
Catholic:- There is no salvation without Catholic Church Protestant:- Are Catholics Saved ? Crazy World 😅
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 2 месяца назад
Essentially, Jesus est His One True Church which is the pillar & foundation of Truth 1 Tim 3:15 which codified the Bible in 382. Those with invincible ignorance, such as never hearing about Christianity or Catholicism can be saved by God in His mercy. However, those who knowingly reject the teachings of His Church put their salvation at risk. Think how many times that that has happened since the reformation!
@classicalteacher
@classicalteacher 2 месяца назад
There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church because Jesus Christ is the head of the Catholic Church and there is no salvation outside of Jesus Christ. God planned His Church at the beginning of time for the salvation of His people. The Catholic Church has the fullness of faith. The Catholic Church has the Eucharist and all theSacraments.
@classicalteacher
@classicalteacher 2 месяца назад
Also if 95% of Catholics are in mortal sin from the use of contraception, 95% of Catholics are going to hell. What chance will prots have to attain heaven?
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 2 месяца назад
@@classicalteacherYour point is valid, however, I doubt that it is 95%
@TimSpangler-rd6vs
@TimSpangler-rd6vs 2 месяца назад
@@geoffjs No such thing as invincible ignorance
@bornagain9192
@bornagain9192 2 дня назад
Oh but an atheist can have salvation according to bishop baron and counsel of Trent , wow talk about messed up there RCC!
@staceywebster7765
@staceywebster7765 2 месяца назад
Remember who the first church was, I hear people say your catholic not christian
@DadoMac
@DadoMac 2 месяца назад
Mark 9:38-41 - Whoever Is Not Against Us Is for Us. Sadly, they split because they are against His church. There was a joke among protestants that in heaven there's a place surrounded by very high walls. Inside according to them are saved Catholics who think that only they (Catholics) would go to heaven. They can not see the other saved denominations outside of the walls. On the Catholic perspective, the walls are to prevent the non-Catholics to realize what the REAL heaven is.
@Harbinger290
@Harbinger290 Месяц назад
I hope everybody who loves Catholicism will watch this documentary. It’s called (CODE OF SILENCE) it’s free on RU-vid! I pray you enjoy it!!
@thinkingtogether5328
@thinkingtogether5328 Месяц назад
How do we know that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church? Probably this is, what Jesus promised: "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven* (*but only those who belong to the Church)."
@rschiwal
@rschiwal 2 месяца назад
There is no salvation outside Jesus Christ. The Catholic Church is the bride of Christ with the fullness of salvation, but Jesus covered this topic repeatedly in his parables. There's the parable about the different servants getting different talents, and about the field workers working all different hours but getting the same pay in the end. As faithful Catholics, we are assured of our salvation, but we cannot expect a greater reward than others. To those who are given more, more is expected. In the parable about the talents, the faithful servant with the most return was given more responsibilities. In the parable of the unfaithful steward, the servants who abused his power was cut to pieces, the servants who offended the master but didn't know what his wishes were got off easier.
@christsavesreadromans1096
@christsavesreadromans1096 Месяц назад
There’s no salvation outside the church either.
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 Месяц назад
>>Quote---- The Catholic Church is the bride of Christ with the fullness of salvation, but .... unquote QUOTE that FROM the Bible WITH THAT church named!!!!
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 Месяц назад
@@christsavesreadromans1096 quote----There’s no salvation outside the church either.... unquote According to whom?? Mere men? Or GOD? Salvation is God's grace. It is the gift of freedom from our sins that Jesus made possible by taking the punishment for our sins on the cross. Who does salvation come from? Salvation - Wikipedia It may also be called deliverance or redemption from sin and its effects. Depending on the religion or even denomination, salvation is considered to be caused either only by the grace of God (i.e. unmerited and unearned), or by faith, good deeds (works), or a combination thereof. Who is the leader of our salvation? Hebrews 2:5-18 explains why the Messiah, Jesus Christ, came in the form of a man, rather than being an angel. In order to serve as a true example, He had to experience our human suffering and temptation. By doing so, Jesus was able to become the ''Captain,'' or the ''Founder,'' of our salvation. Who is the source of salvation? Jesus Christ He is the God fully revealed in Jesus Christ. That God is source of salvation. So much is God revealed in Jesus Christ that, according to the fifth verse of Romans 9, Jesus is Himself God blessed forever. The source of salvation, therefore, is the triune God, the God who is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Does salvation come from faith? God's Word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus and not by our own efforts or works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Grace Alone. Faith Alone. Grace alone means that God loves, forgives, and saves us not because of who we are or what we do, but because of the work of Christ. What is the basis of your salvation? Faith or belief in Jesus Christ is the only basis for salvation set forth in the Bible Who is responsible for our salvation? He is ultimately sovereign over all things. We are penultimately responsible for that which He calls us to be responsible. THOMAS: Paul says in Philippians, “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure” (Phil. 2:12-13). Is God's salvation for everyone? Titus 2:11 says, “ For the grace of God has appeared with salvation for all people.” John 3:16 says, “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes …' The offer of salvation goes out to all but this doesn't imply universalism or that all are saved. What God says about salvation? Salvation is the great work of God (Jonah 2:9) in which He forgives sin and gives eternal life to a believing sinner as a free gift of His grace (Eph. 2:8-9). Forgiveness is needed because all people are born sinners showing their sin nature soon after birth (Gen. How do we receive salvation? Romans 10:9-10 says, “that if you confess with your mouth the LORD Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” **IS that enough to PROVE we DO NOT need a church for our salvation?????
@christsavesreadromans1096
@christsavesreadromans1096 Месяц назад
@@mitchellosmer1293 According to the parable of the wedding banquet there is no salvation outside of the church.
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 Месяц назад
@@christsavesreadromans1096 quote----According to the parable of the wedding banquet there is no salvation outside of the church.... unquote ------What is the meaning of Matthew 22 1 14? Matthew 22, verses 1-14, Jesus speaks to the Jews who rejected Christ as the Messiah and welcomes believing Gentiles. The parable also settles the issue of those who think that they can enter Heaven without believing in the Son of God. ------What is the meaning of the man without the wedding garment? The man without the wedding garment represents the two groups who will be excluded from the eschatological feast: the ones who reject the invitation and the ones who accept it but who do not prove worthy. The broader contexts confirm the first interpretation and the immediate context validates the second. -----What is the moral of the parable of the wedding banquet? The story makes it clear that there is no reason, none at all, for people to reject a gracious invitation from the King to come to the wedding feast and enjoy all good things. The only reason they reject the invitation is that they do not believe the King, or they do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God. ----What is the meaning of the parable of the great banquet? In this sense, the parable of the great banquet (14:15-24) was included in Luke's narrative as a means of explaining 'the inclusion of Gentiles in the present kingdom of God as God's response to Israel's refusal to “enter”'. -----What is the prayer on Matthew 22 1 14? God of celebration, you have invited all people to rejoice in the goodness of your love. Help us to be hospitable to all people at your banquet, so that all might receive your blessing. We pray these things in the name of Jesus Christ, our Savior and Lord. Amen. -----What do the wedding clothes symbolize in Matthew 22? If that is the understanding, it could be that the wedding garment represents being covered by the righteousness of Jesus (Romans 3:21-31). This would make the man representative of those who want the benefits of a relationship with God but refuse to submit to Him or obey His teachings (John 14:15). -----What does the garment symbolize? In our day the garment encourages modesty, but its significance is much deeper. For Church members who have received the endowment, the garment reminds them of their connection to God, their commitment to follow His will, and the blessings and protection God has promised the faithful. ---- The parable of the wedding feast (Matthew 22: 1-14) The parable of the wedding feast is a parable about how the Kingdom of God is open to everyone, not only Jews. This parable is told using the familiar setting of a wedding feast, however there are a few surprising events included. >>> Acts 2:38 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. -----Acts 4:12 12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” (WHERE in that verse is a church mentioned???) -----John 14:6 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. That verses says NOTHING about a church being "the way and the truth and the life.Nor does it say --we have go through a church to get to God!!! -------Matthew 7:21 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. -----Titus 3:5 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, -----Ephesians 2:8-9 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. ----
@willing_spirit6830
@willing_spirit6830 2 месяца назад
It's probably not acceptable for an apologist to say "I don't know", but it would have been a more satisfying answer. God works through everyone, so pretty irrelevant to the question of how he could be a canonized saint? Could Saint Gregory of Narek have had invincible ignorance?
@stevecatlin5609
@stevecatlin5609 2 месяца назад
depends how you define "church". Church as the People of God..... Catholics are incorporated, other Christians belong, others (non- Christians) are related (Lumen Gentium no 9.) to this Church as People of God.
@henrybenjaminstoneking238
@henrybenjaminstoneking238 Месяц назад
@catholicdoomer did Saint Paul die to give you an invisible Church or a visible one? are you calling Saint Paul a liar or an idiot for giving his life for you to have the Catholic Church? All of these denominations are protestant ones, so how could they be inside the Body of Christ? How can you be against something and inside of it at the same time? How could a pagan be inside the Body of Christ? That would mean that JESUS did not need to die for our sins, as we would have Grace as a pagan anyway Where is Saint Peter buried? Why did he give his life for you to have a Church if there is no physical church? Are you calling him an idiot? You quote the antiChrist Paul 4 over JESUS who died to give you HIS CHURCH? There are always false shepherds and you need to discern, currently you are at best another protestant inside the Vatican 2 sect unlawfully occupying the Catholic Church properties If you believe Satan and his minions over GOD, you will be lost "By their fruits you will know them"
@robertrazon8009
@robertrazon8009 2 месяца назад
This is the statement from Fr. Joseph Iannuzzi that might also helpful in that question. Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus in Latin that was an old teaching and it's stated as follows in English, outside the church there was no salvation. Now back in the day when that was proclaimed, many misunderstood it, to mean outside of the Catholic institutional Church no one can be saved but the church never stated that it didn't define the church until recent years so it gave a statement under the inspiration of the holy spirit that was later explicated still under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, later the church would Define that statement as referring to all the baptized in Christ by Blood, Desire or Sacrament. We find this in Lumen gentium article 16 of the second Vatican Council that anyone can be saved provided they're baptized by Sacrament or desire or blood. You didn't hear this baptism of Desire or blood before the second Vatican Council in its explicit form but thanks to the Holy Spirit we now have a better understanding of what that statement now means. When it the church stated that outside the church there in no salvation it meant, that outside of the church through from which comes baptism no one can be saved. Now what is the church? all the baptized in Christ that's the church. it's not just the hierarchical Catholic Church rather it's all the baptized. If you are not a member of the body of Christ you're cut off from eternity so there's no salvation outside the church the mystical Body of Christ that's a fact, and to become a member of that mystical body you have to be baptized either by Sacrament or by desire or by Blood. In Regards to Baptism, historically, the Church has taught that the graces of baptism can be received not only through the administration of the sacrament itself (baptism of water) but also through the desire for the sacrament (baptism of desire) or through martyrdom for Christ (baptism of blood). Recent doctrinal development has made clear that it is possible for one to receive baptism of desire by an implicit desire. This is the principle that makes it possible for non-Christians to be saved. If they are genuinely committed to seeking and living by the truth, then they are implicitly committed to seeking Jesus Christ and living by his commands; they just don’t know that he is the Truth they’re seeking (cf. John 14:6).
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 2 месяца назад
What about the necessity for salvation of receiving grace via His Real True Presence in the Eucharist Jn 6 53
@henrybenjaminstoneking238
@henrybenjaminstoneking238 Месяц назад
He who quotes Vat 2 is a liar This is from the father of all lies Satan Nobody I have ever met outside of the real Catholic Church has any interest in the Truth They choose the world over Truth I have been fighting for Truth inside the Catholic Church properties, and all I see are pagans of all stripes, Hindus, Ashkenazis, Buddhists, Satanists, Protestants, and all the other lost souls- fighting AGINST TRUTH and against a real Catholic Church, and against their own salvation, and against others being saved What great works these are and I am sure GOD is very impressed! There are no GOOD PEOPLE outside of the HOLY GHOST because, as LORD JESUS states :"Only GOD is good" and also "If you who are evil know how to give goof things, think how good GOD will be in giving gifts" So we need to understand that we are all evil without GOD in our soul, and therefore in a state of Death Baptism is important and needs to be done by those willing to fight for TRUTH, as the SPIRIT of GOD must be worshipped in "Spirit and Truth" If you are Baptized into the lies of Vatican 2, then you are mocking GOD by lying to HIS FACE, and your Baptism is Null (except as maybe a condemnation) This means that if you are missing some truth or clinging to lies, then you will not have the HOLY GHOST within your Soul, and you are therefore still in a state of Death and destruction There is only ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH It is a physical Church and a mystical BODY If you die without the HOLY GHOST inside of you, you will go to Hell with all the pagans If you die with the HOLY GHOST, then how could you not go to Heaven? You only get Graces from the HOLY GHOST being inside your Soul So you will die as just another EVIL BASTARD, and be condemned without the help of the HOLY GHOST Look around you, look at the fruits of Vat 2, and you should be ashamed for even mentioning it But you are still blind, and therefore "The blind leading the blind, both will fall into the Pit" LORD JESUS
@JesusRulez-l3j
@JesusRulez-l3j Месяц назад
@@geoffjs And what about this: MATTHEW 25: 41 Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘You who are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels, 42 for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, ‘Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not take care of you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment but the righteous into eternal life.”
@tombrown7654
@tombrown7654 Месяц назад
THANK GOD The ''Standard'' Isn't Idolatrous-Abomination > > > FROM HEAVEN - JOHN 3:3
@vinciblegaming6817
@vinciblegaming6817 2 месяца назад
All people who have heard the gospel learned the gospel from the church. This is the meaning of CCC 166: Faith is a personal act - the free response of the human person to the initiative of God who reveals himself. But faith is not an isolated act. No one can believe alone, just as no one can live alone. *You have not given yourself faith as you have not given yourself life.*
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 Месяц назад
quote-----All people who have heard the gospel learned the gospel from the church. ... unquote What??>>>What churches were built from 1AD--40AD???? Christ walked from town to town spreading HIS gospel!!! With the help of the apostles, HIS gospel was spread all over--BEFORE there were any Christian churches!!!
@vinciblegaming6817
@vinciblegaming6817 Месяц назад
@@mitchellosmer1293 Who spread the gospel to the Decapolis? And how is Judea and Samaria “all over”? Your facts are incorrect. God gave the job of spreading the gospel to his church… that is the great commission. This is within reach for the Sola Scriptura crowd. But apparently even the church as the Bride of Christ, born of his side, and a helpmate to him is beyond your interpretive capacity.
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 Месяц назад
@@vinciblegaming6817 quote-- Who spread the gospel to the Decapolis?/... unquote ten cities Decapolis in British English (dɪˈkæpəlɪs ) noun. a league of ten cities, including Damascus, in the northeast of ancient Palestine: established in 63 bc by Pompey and governed by Rome. The aposotles!!! >>>Quote--- And how is Judea and Samaria “all over”?--unquote QUOTE that is said "ALL OVER"!!!! Acts 9:31-42 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition 31 So the church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samar′ia had peace and was built up; and walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit it was multiplied. THAT IS QUOTED FROM: Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition !!!! >>>>>> Sola Scriptura is actually one of the easiest doctrines to demonstrate from scripture, and it can be done using a single verse. 1 Corinthians 4:6 - “…in us (Paul and Apollos) you may learn not to go beyond what is written…” (Cf. Isaiah 8:20, Luke 16:29, 2 Peter 1:19-21, Psalm 19:7) In this passage, Paul is submitting himself and Apollos as examples to be followed of servants of Christ and faithful stewards of the gospel who do everything according to the God-breathed word of God (2 Timothy 3:16), and nothing beyond it (Cf. 2 Timothy 2:15). This submission demonstrates that the traditions that they (the apostles) spoke, as well as their writings that would eventually form the canon of the New Testament (Cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:15, 3:6, 1 Corinthians 11:2, 1 Corinthians 15:4 referring to the books of Matthew and Mark) were in accordance with what has been written by the prophets who came before them. Furthermore, so long as they were in submission to the word of God (what has been written), they are innocent of the judgment of any human court (1 Corinthians 4:3). Paul is explaining that what has been written (scripture) forms the basis of our judgment (Cf. Acts 17:11, Mark 7:6-9). It is the same concept expressed in John 7:24, "do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." And how do we know that we are judging with a righteous judgment? When it is in accordance with what has been written. And this is not a new concept, Isaiah spoke of this in Isaiah 8:20, "to the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn." Over and over again, it is the word of God (both written and spoken) that is said to be the basis for truth, and it is the ultimate authority that stands over all. John 17:17 - Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth (Cf. John 15:3) Proverbs 30:6 - Do not add to His words Lest He reprove you, and you be proved a liar. Deuteronomy 4:2 - You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of Yahweh your God which I am commanding you. Deuteronomy 12:32 - Whatever I am commanding you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it. Revelation 22:18 - I bear witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book. The word of God must never be transgressed for the sake of any tradition! Matthew 15:3 - Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? Colossians 2:8 - See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, and not according to Christ. Therefore, if any tradition is said to be on equal grounds with scripture, it MUST be shown to be God’s word, according to what has been written, and the instant someone attempts to do so, they admit scripture is the ultimate authority >>>>>You said, “Nowhere does it say scripture alone.” - Oh but it does… Isaiah 40:8 8 The grass withers and the flowers fade, but the word of our God stands forever.” Matthew 24:35 (Jesus states) 35 “Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear.” Hebrews 6:18 18 “So God has given both his promise and his oath. These two things are unchangeable because it is impossible for God to lie. Therefore, we who have fled to him for refuge can have great confidence as we hold to the hope that lies before us.” People break their promises, their word, their oaths often. But the Lord never has and never will. His Word is priceless, profound and trustworthy. Everything else will fade and disappear… but His Word will last f-o-r-e-v-e-r. His Word is what sustains us (Jeremiah 15:16)
@Catholicity-uw2yb
@Catholicity-uw2yb Месяц назад
THE DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.”
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 Месяц назад
quote-----THE DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.”... unquote Quote the name of THAT Church from a bible!!!
@diestrom.5880
@diestrom.5880 Месяц назад
‭Romans 1:16-17 LSB‬ [16] For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. [17] For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “But the righteous will live by faith.” Keep in mind that the protest is all about doctrinal development that you people are adding to the gospel, anathematizing believers of Christ that do not accept it. (Marian dogmas, papal infallibility, icon veneration, idulgences and purgatory and so on). Accursing people with a doctrine never once told by the Apostles. Where Paul said that those preach a new gospel either by them or an angel from heaven should the one be anathematized. And I don't know how do catholics define gospel. I believe it takes a book to define the Gospel for them. 🤦‍♂️
@francismarion6400
@francismarion6400 Месяц назад
There's no salvation unless you accept Francis's authority.
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 Месяц назад
quote---There's no salvation unless you accept Francis's authority.... unquote So, he is God??? Quote you comment FROM the bible.
@marteld2108
@marteld2108 2 месяца назад
Christ established the Catholic Church for a reason…to lead souls to Heaven. Paraphrasing V2….Protestants can be saved if they are sincerely ignorant of the Catholic Faith. And I stress “IF.”
@henrybenjaminstoneking238
@henrybenjaminstoneking238 Месяц назад
This is a lie from Hell along with all the other lies of Vatican 2 Why would GOD save somebody who is fighting against the Church that JESUS died to give us? GOD has nothing but rage for these people, and it is their choice to be AGAINST GOD'S CHURCH Is masturbation not a mortal sin? Vat 2 says it is not Do Muslims worship the same god? If you do not believe the DOGMA "Salvation only comes through the Catholic Church" then you are no longer Catholic We are in the end times counter Church (Revelation 18), and this invasion started very early in Church history The Humanists, like Augustine, Jerome, Origen et al were in the Church in the 2-300's; and watering down the truth at that point So you always needed to discern, and until we have a lawful pope, you cannot trust these men, and this should be very obvious with Bergoglio in there now You would need to have the HOLY GHOST inside of your Soul at your death to be saved, and then you pass through judgment If you do not have the HOLY GHOST inside of you at your death, YOU WILL BE DAMNED The only exception would be those under the age of reason The Church and the Word of GOD is all over the world, and there are no excuses for any adult
@geoffjs
@geoffjs Месяц назад
@@henrybenjaminstoneking238 Jesus founded His One True Church Mt 16 18-19 that became known as Catholic or Universal in 110 which codified your bible in 382. His Church is the fullness of Truth 1 Tim 3:15 & has existed for 2000 yrs, in spite of sinful men, proof of its divine origin No organisation, such as Protestantism can survive without hierarchy & a unifying authoritative interpreter, the fruits being confusion, division & scandal of 000’s of sects, resulting from personal interpretation, which is not of Jesus who willed unity Jn 17 11-21 No Protestant has ever been able to explain why personal interpretation, if guided by the Holy Spirit has resulted in 000’s sects proving that either the Holy Spirit is wrong or more likely, Protestantism! There are none so blind as those with a darkened intellect which the Holy Spirit obviously isn’t enlightening!
@martinmartin1363
@martinmartin1363 2 месяца назад
The Catholic Church has the sacraments to attain for catholics entry to heaven and the beatific vision and without them there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church The best Protestant denominations and other religions can hope for is eternal purgatory and they only have this option because of the sacraments of the Catholic Church
@samuelotache9239
@samuelotache9239 Месяц назад
Everything you said is false teaching. We are not saved by being a member of a church and sacraments. We are saved by faith alone in Christ. Y
@martinmartin1363
@martinmartin1363 Месяц назад
@@samuelotache9239 If you have faith alone and nothing else you are not doing God’s will you are doing your own will and this is the sin of Protestantism
@geoffjs
@geoffjs Месяц назад
@@samuelotache9239Faith alone is unbiblical & by rejecting grace received via His Sacraments esp baptism Jn 3:5 & His Real True Presence Jn 6 53, you are disobeying Jesus & putting your salvation at risk.
@samuelotache9239
@samuelotache9239 Месяц назад
@@geoffjs you say that because you don't know the scriptures. You have been indoctrinated with false teachings. Work based salvation is unbilical. It is another gospel. We are not saved by Faith+Works . We are saved by faith. Works are a necessary product of salvation not the cause of it. I suggest you repent and surrender your life to Christ.
@samuelotache9239
@samuelotache9239 Месяц назад
@@martinmartin1363 before you do they will of God, you need to be saved and you are saved by faith alone. Faith+Works is another gospel. I suggest you come out of religion and surrender your life to Christ
@vSwampFox
@vSwampFox Месяц назад
No protestant can escape the condemnation of being outside the church. The very essence of Protestantism, is that you are aware of it. Therefore you fall outside the Grace argument. The select few, very narrow exceptions, don't apply to anyone who claims to be protestant, and denies the authority of the Church. Even through their own ignorance, this won't be excusable.
@geoffjs
@geoffjs Месяц назад
Wake up Protestants, your presumption of the assurance of salvation is both false & the sin of presumption Phil 2:12. No where in the bible is once saved always saved written! As many Protestants believe that baptism is optional, when Jesus says the opposite, how can you assume salvation? Likewise with Jn 6 53, His Real True Presence is essential for salvation Jn 6:53
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 Месяц назад
quote----No protestant can escape the condemnation of being outside the church. .. unquote And a worthless opinion!! QUOTE THE BIBLE!!! Quote the name of THAT Church FROM the bible!!! >>>Quote---The very essence of Protestantism, is that you are aware of it. ... unquote Jesus was a protestant!!! >>Quote---The select few, very narrow exceptions, don't apply to anyone who claims to be protestant,... unquote Another worthless opinion with NO bible quotes!!! >>Quote---and denies the authority of the Church.... unquote Quote the name of THAT church from the bible and who gave the authority to THAT "church"!!!
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 Месяц назад
@@geoffjs What is the Bible verse for the way of salvation? The Plan of Salvation The great love of God for man (John 3:16) He gave His Son, Jesus Christ, as the Saviour (Luke 19:10) Sent the Holy Spirit as a guide (John 16:13) Gave the Gospel as "the power" unto salvation (Romans 1:16) Provided atonement by the blood of Christ (Romans 5:9) >>>>Salvation is God's grace. It is the gift of freedom from our sins that Jesus made possible by taking the punishment for our sins on the cross. Who does salvation come from? Salvation - Wikipedia It may also be called deliverance or redemption from sin and its effects. Depending on the religion or even denomination, salvation is considered to be caused either only by the grace of God (i.e. unmerited and unearned), or by faith, good deeds (works), or a combination thereof. Who is the leader of our salvation? Hebrews 2:5-18 explains why the Messiah, Jesus Christ, came in the form of a man, rather than being an angel. In order to serve as a true example, He had to experience our human suffering and temptation. By doing so, Jesus was able to become the ''Captain,'' or the ''Founder,'' of our salvation. Who is the source of salvation? Jesus Christ He is the God fully revealed in Jesus Christ. That God is source of salvation. So much is God revealed in Jesus Christ that, according to the fifth verse of Romans 9, Jesus is Himself God blessed forever. The source of salvation, therefore, is the triune God, the God who is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Does salvation come from faith? God's Word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus and not by our own efforts or works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Grace Alone. Faith Alone. Grace alone means that God loves, forgives, and saves us not because of who we are or what we do, but because of the work of Christ. What is the basis of your salvation? Faith or belief in Jesus Christ is the only basis for salvation set forth in the Bible Who is responsible for our salvation? He is ultimately sovereign over all things. We are penultimately responsible for that which He calls us to be responsible. THOMAS: Paul says in Philippians, “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure” (Phil. 2:12-13). Is God's salvation for everyone? Titus 2:11 says, “ For the grace of God has appeared with salvation for all people.” John 3:16 says, “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes …' The offer of salvation goes out to all but this doesn't imply universalism or that all are saved. What God says about salvation? Salvation is the great work of God (Jonah 2:9) in which He forgives sin and gives eternal life to a believing sinner as a free gift of His grace (Eph. 2:8-9). Forgiveness is needed because all people are born sinners showing their sin nature soon after birth (Gen. How do we receive salvation? Romans 10:9-10 says, “that if you confess with your mouth the LORD Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” Psalms 146:3 In-Context Praise the LORD, my soul. 2 I will praise the LORD all my life; I will sing praise to my God as long as I live. 3 Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save. 4 When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to nothing. **IS that enough to PROVE we DO NOT need a church for our salvation????? You said, “Nowhere does it say scripture alone.” - Oh but it does… Isaiah 40:8 8 The grass withers and the flowers fade, but the word of our God stands forever.” Matthew 24:35 (Jesus states) 35 “Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear.” Hebrews 6:18 18 “So God has given both his promise and his oath. These two things are unchangeable because it is impossible for God to lie. Therefore, we who have fled to him for refuge can have great confidence as we hold to the hope that lies before us.” People break their promises, their word, their oaths often. But the Lord never has and never will. His Word is priceless, profound and trustworthy. Everything else will fade and disappear… but His Word will last f-o-r-e-v-e-r. His Word is what sustains us (Jeremiah 15:16)
@antholianmartyr4860
@antholianmartyr4860 2 месяца назад
Thank you, Trent! Can you please respond to sedevacantists Diamond brothers and their objections to you regarding this and other topics?
@j.knight9335
@j.knight9335 2 месяца назад
He won't because he can't.
@JiII_S
@JiII_S Месяц назад
Catholic Truth addressed the Dimond brothers. There's no need for every Catholic apologist to keep addressing those heretics. Just go look for the video...
@j.knight9335
@j.knight9335 Месяц назад
@@JiII_S "Catholic" Truth was refuted in a response video. Amazing how dishonest people are. You're too afraid to look at their materials for yourself.
@soteriology400
@soteriology400 2 месяца назад
John 3:8, the spirit goes wherever it pleases.
@masterchief8179
@masterchief8179 2 месяца назад
That’s one of the few things you’ve said that is true, my friend. The Holy Spirit’s action is innefable: that’s EXACTLY the reason why elements of sanctification can be seen outside the visible boundaries of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. And through the oneness of baptism, we can even call members of heretical and schismatic communities brothers in Christ, even though there are imperfect levels of participation and unity, without entering in the discussion of personal levels of culpability in mortal sinning through obstinate heresy and schism, for instance. A good old Baptist lady who was born in a separated community surely has much less culpability than some who militate, filled with unconfessed hatred and ideological anti-Catholicism, against the Catholic Church online.
@br.m
@br.m 2 месяца назад
@@masterchief8179 Bla bla bla. Jesus is the way. Not Roman Catholicism.
@masterchief8179
@masterchief8179 2 месяца назад
@@br.m You are saying you follow Jesus your manner, not His. Your design, not His. Because Jesus didn’t handle Bibles to the Apostles and said “go to garages and megachurches teaching this book, making self-appointed leaders in the interest of the community at the exchange of a salary”: he founded a Church on the apostles’ fundament and chose one of them to be the rock upon which he would build it, name-changing this apostle’s name to Cephas (or “rock”), and He taught the gates of hell would never overcome it, and He said to the Church - the apostles and those who succeeded them, since they are not granted physical immortality - that she (= the church) should convert all nations, until the end of times, and baptize them in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. That’s it for me.
@br.m
@br.m Месяц назад
@@masterchief8179 That's not true. You wrote lies to me. Someone lied to you and you believed them without investigating their lies. Jesus had the Old Testament. When Paul preached to the Bereans, what did they do? They checked all that Paul said against scripture... What scripture? See the first churches had the Bible. YOU are the ones appointing Peter as pope, in order to enable the papacy. Jesus did not make Peter pope over the others. If so then Paul should be highest rank, because Peter stood condemned before Paul. You really should read the Bible for yourself and see how much you've been led astray. Jesus said "you are brethren" and equals. Jesus did not exalt the Sons of Thunder. So why would he turn around and make himself a liar by exalting Peter???
@br.m
@br.m Месяц назад
@@masterchief8179 By the way, Jesus led them on a detour to Caesarea Philippi to make that speech for a reason. He was preparing his disciples for his death. The "gates of hell" is what the pagans named the place at Caesarea Philippi. There is a huge rock and a big hold in the ground called "the gate to hell" and Jesus was saying the gate to hell will not stand up to him and his church. He was NOT saying any of the stuff you claim. He was NOT saying the door to hell is going to try to come off its hinges and chase the church and break the church down.
@kyriakosaronis4872
@kyriakosaronis4872 Месяц назад
Absolutely there is no salvation outside of the Church BUT which Church? Jesu's Church not just any so call church. Jesus built his CHURCH: One Holy Catholic(not roman) And Apostolic Church. Theosis is the daily strife of a believer to get closer and closer to God. Salvation is not one thing and you are saved, it is a daily and life long process.
@southernlady1109
@southernlady1109 2 месяца назад
Jesus said He’s the living bread, the bread He gives is His FLESH, unless we eat His Flesh & drink His Blood, WE WILL HAVE NO LIFE IN US.If we eat & drink of Him UNWORTHILY, WE WILL BE LIABLE & BRING A SENTENCE AGAINST OURSELVES FOR NOT DISCERNING IT TO BE THE BODY & BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST, OUR GOD & SAVIOR. Jn6:51-59, 1Cor11:23-29 The Transubstantiation occurs when the Priest blesses the bread and wine transforming into The Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ. There’s Eucharistic Miracles happening around the world. Pope Francis witnessed one when he was an Archbishop in Brazil. Scientific studies proved the Blessed Eucharist is LIVE human heart tissue from the left ventricle (responsible for pumping blood and life through our bodies).
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 Месяц назад
Under this theological construct, when the priest places the host in a monstrance and elevates it, the laity direct adoration to it as God the Son, come to earth. They direct their worship toward the image of bread which they see with their eyes. And when the receive the image and shape of bread in their hands, they worship it as they ingest its substance and accidents together. ****Do you see it now? Catholics are directing their worship toward an image: specifically, the image of a bread wafer. Exo 20:4,5 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them..." Lev 26:1 "Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God." The Israelites created a calf of gold, declared it to be Almighty God, and worshiped it. As punishment, Moses had the calf ground up and made the people ingest the gold. The Roman Catholics create wafers of bread, declare them to be Almighty God, raise them up in monstrances and worship them. Then they ingest them. See the similarity? 1. One of the accidents of the bread is the appearance or image of bread. 2. God forbids directing worship toward images (Exodus 20; Leviticus 26). 3. Therefore, God forbids directing worship toward any image of bread. Catholics always deny that they worship images. But when the priest elevates the host in the monstrance, they see the image and they render adoration (worship) toward what they see. This is a perfect example of idolatry. >>>>>
@southernlady1109
@southernlady1109 Месяц назад
@@mitchellosmer1293 Once the Priest blesses the bread and wine, they transform into The Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ. Catholics worship Jesus Christ in The Holy Eucharist!
@cdmcintyre1854
@cdmcintyre1854 Месяц назад
Churches can have doctrine that say lots of things BUT God makes the rules NOT any denomination. I don’t believe most churches doctrine completely. Most churches have some things that I think are wrong. My opinion is the SDA denomination is the closest to total truth than any other, and my opinion is the Catholic is WAY OFF BASE!
@geoffjs
@geoffjs Месяц назад
You couldn’t be more wrong, given that Jesus est His One True Church Mt 16 18-19 that has existed for 2000 yrs, in spite of sinful men, proof of its divine origin. Neither has she officially taught error during that time as she is protected by the Holy Spirit.
@cdmcintyre1854
@cdmcintyre1854 Месяц назад
@@geoffjs That’s your story and you’re sticking to it. SO I am also sticking to my opinion. USA is a nation of Freedom, SO there it is!
@jonyivre4541
@jonyivre4541 27 дней назад
No Salvation Outside the Church, if You're Catholic.
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 14 дней назад
quote---No Salvation Outside the Church, if You're Catholic... unquote That comment PROVES your ignorancre of the Bible!~!! What is the Bible verse for the way of salvation? The Plan of Salvation The great love of God for man (John 3:16) He gave His Son, Jesus Christ, as the Saviour (Luke 19:10) Sent the Holy Spirit as a guide (John 16:13) Gave the Gospel as "the power" unto salvation (Romans 1:16) Provided atonement by the blood of Christ (Romans 5:9) >>> What does the catechism say about salvation outside the Church? The 1992 Catechism of the Catholic Church explained this as "all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is His Body". Pope Pelagius II (died 590): "Consider the fact that whoever has not been in the peace and unity of the Church cannot have the Lord [...] >>>> Salvation is God's grace. It is the gift of freedom from our sins that Jesus made possible by taking the punishment for our sins on the cross. Who does salvation come from? Salvation - Wikipedia It may also be called deliverance or redemption from sin and its effects. Depending on the religion or even denomination, salvation is considered to be caused either only by the grace of God (i.e. unmerited and unearned), or by faith, good deeds (works), or a combination thereof. Who is the leader of our salvation? Hebrews 2:5-18 explains why the Messiah, Jesus Christ, came in the form of a man, rather than being an angel. In order to serve as a true example, He had to experience our human suffering and temptation. By doing so, Jesus was able to become the ''Captain,'' or the ''Founder,'' of our salvation. Who is the source of salvation? Jesus Christ He is the God fully revealed in Jesus Christ. That God is source of salvation. So much is God revealed in Jesus Christ that, according to the fifth verse of Romans 9, Jesus is Himself God blessed forever. The source of salvation, therefore, is the triune God, the God who is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Does salvation come from faith? God's Word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus and not by our own efforts or works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Grace Alone. Faith Alone. Grace alone means that God loves, forgives, and saves us not because of who we are or what we do, but because of the work of Christ. What is the basis of your salvation? Faith or belief in Jesus Christ is the only basis for salvation set forth in the Bible Who is responsible for our salvation? He is ultimately sovereign over all things. We are penultimately responsible for that which He calls us to be responsible. THOMAS: Paul says in Philippians, “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure” (Phil. 2:12-13). Is God's salvation for everyone?By your refusal to refute my facts, implies they ARE ALL CORRECT!!! Titus 2:11 says, “ For the grace of God has appeared with salvation for all people.” John 3:16 says, “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes …' The offer of salvation goes out to all but this doesn't imply universalism or that all are saved. What God says about salvation? Salvation is the great work of God (Jonah 2:9) in which He forgives sin and gives eternal life to a believing sinner as a free gift of His grace (Eph. 2:8-9). Forgiveness is needed because all people are born sinners showing their sin nature soon after birth (Gen. How do we receive salvation? Romans 10:9-10 says, “that if you confess with your mouth the LORD Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” Psalms 146:3 In-Context Praise the LORD, my soul. 2 I will praise the LORD all my life; I will sing praise to my God as long as I live. 3 Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save. 4 When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to nothing. **IS that enough to PROVE we DO NOT need a church for our salvation?????
@mariacisneros6114
@mariacisneros6114 2 месяца назад
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@kingbaldwiniv5409
@kingbaldwiniv5409 Месяц назад
That response did not answer the core of the question, although my fellow ASU alumnus did make a great point about individuals having valid sacraments, therefore receiving sanctifying grace. You can't cite V2 as some sort of consequential piece of evidence when it made no extraordinary magisterial pronouncement and only had the authority to double-down on something previously established. It not logical.
@honahwikeepa2115
@honahwikeepa2115 Месяц назад
By ignoring the word of God.
@wesleysimelane3423
@wesleysimelane3423 Месяц назад
Catholicism = Revelation 17
@mikewilliams6025
@mikewilliams6025 2 месяца назад
I follow Jesus Christ and His one church, which by His mercy includes Catholics and Protestants, Orthodox and Pentecostals. All of these groups have drawn lines too narrow in some aspects and too broad in others. I praise Him that neither Trent, the Pope, Joel Olsteen, nor I, nor any committee, council, or creed are the ultimate adjudicator of the fold of God but our Lord. See you all in heaven.
@hacker4chn841
@hacker4chn841 2 месяца назад
They all make competing claims about who Christ is and what means Christ provided for our salvation. Christ is the Truth and prayed that all his followers be one "as [he] and the father are one". There can only be one truth, and therefore one church.
@joeterp5615
@joeterp5615 2 месяца назад
How do you know the churches/denominations you mentioned are part of His one church? And how do you know what lines are too broad or too narrow?
@TimSpangler-rd6vs
@TimSpangler-rd6vs 2 месяца назад
@@hacker4chn841 Jesus is the WAY. Not Catholicism or my church
@TimSpangler-rd6vs
@TimSpangler-rd6vs 2 месяца назад
@@joeterp5615 It's just silly wordiness
@br.m
@br.m 2 месяца назад
Not true. Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Pentecostals and most "protestants" are outside. Not inside. They are outside, along with Charismatics, Mormons, Adventists, Muslims... They are all outside, gone astray, taken captive by empty philosophy and tradition.
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 Месяц назад
quote---How Can Catholics Say There's No Salvation Outside the Church?... unquote Salvation is God's grace. It is the gift of freedom from our sins that Jesus made possible by taking the punishment for our sins on the cross. Who is salvation for in the Bible? Salvation is the great work of God (Jonah 2:9) in which He forgives sin and gives eternal life to a believing sinner as a free gift of His grace (Eph. 2:8-9). Forgiveness is needed because all people are born sinners showing their sin nature soon after birth (Gen. 6:5; ) Who is the source of salvation? Jesus Christ He is the God fully revealed in Jesus Christ. That God is source of salvation. So much is God revealed in Jesus Christ that, according to the fifth verse of Romans 9, Jesus is Himself God blessed forever. The source of salvation, therefore, is the triune God, the God who is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Is God or Jesus our salvation? Jesus Christ gives salvation by grace through faith. Yet God loves you and wants to save you from sin, to offer you a new life of hope. John 10:10 says, "I have come that they may have life and have it in abundance." To give you this gift of salvation, God made a way through His Son, Jesus Christ. What is the true salvation in the Bible? The Bible says “faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” Romans 10:17. Salvation takes place in the life of a person when he hears and believes “the word of truth,” that is, the gospel of salvation. Does salvation come from faith? God's Word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus and not by our own efforts or works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Grace Alone. Faith Alone. Grace alone means that God loves, forgives, and saves us not because of who we are or what we do, but because of the work of Christ.
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 15 дней назад
Unless in invincible ignorance, those who knowingly reject the Truth of His One True Church put their salvation at risk!
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 14 дней назад
@@geoffjs quote----Unless in invincible ignorance, those who knowingly reject the Truth of His One True Church put their salvation at risk!.. unquote 1st--that is a worthless opinion with NO FACTS!! And NO scripture!!! 2nd---Book, chapter and verse # of the name of that "One True Church'!!! From any Catholic bible!!!
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 13 дней назад
@@mitchellosmer1293It is the authoritative teaching of the Magisterium of His One True Church Mt 16:18-19 Mt 18:18 Lk 10:16
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 13 дней назад
@@geoffjs quote---It is the authoritative teaching of the Magisterium of His One True Church Mt 16:18-19 Mt 18:18 Lk 10:16...unquote Mt 16:18-19 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition 18 And I tell you, you are Peter,[a] and on this rock (Jesus)I will build my church, and the powers of death shall (Even Jsus ' death will NOT stop His wrd) not prevail against it.19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven,[e] and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” ((Jesus did not appoint Peter to the headship of the apostles and forbade any such notion (Matthew 20:20-28; Luke 22:24-26; Ephesians 1:22-23; Colossians 1:18; 1 Corinthians 3:11). The only Church Jesus has is the born again Church He died to save. God’s Word tells us that Christ is the only HEAD of His one body! This alone means that the pope of Rome is the head of a false church. God has One Church with One Head - Jesus Christ, the nail-scarred risen LORD and only Savior (Ephesians 1:22; 4:15; 5:23; Colossians 1:18; 2:10, 19).) >>>Jesus gave Peter “the keys of the kingdom of heaven,” not the keys to heaven.1 A key was a badge of authority ( Luke 11:52 ), and then as now was used to open doors. Peter used the keys Christ gave him to open the door to the Jews on the Day of Pentecost ( Acts 2 ), to the Samaritans after the preaching of Philip ( Acts 8:14-17 ), and to the Gentiles after the Lord had sent him a vision and an appeal from Cornelius ( Acts 10 ). >>>>>>>>> Catholic Encyclopedia: The Pope: "The expressions binding and loosing here employed are derived from the current terminology of the Rabbinic schools. A doctor who declared a thing to be prohibited by the law was said to bind, for thereby he imposed an obligation on the conscience. He who declared it to be lawful was said to loose."----- ( mag·is·te·ri·um /ˌmajəˈstirēəm/ noun the teaching authority of the Roman Catholic Church, especially as exercised by bishops or the Pope. the official and authoritative teaching of the Roman Catholic Church. Where is any of Matthew is the word "Magisterium" mentioned??? >>>Quote---- Mt 18:18 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition 18 Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (Catholic Encyclopedia: The Pope: "The expressions binding and loosing here employed are derived from the current terminology of the Rabbinic schools. A doctor who declared a thing to be prohibited by the law was said to bind, for thereby he imposed an obligation on the conscience. He who declared it to be lawful was said to loose."-----) >>>Quote-----Lk 10:16 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition 16 “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.” ----HYPOCRITE!!!! John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. ... No one comes to the Father except through me. --Since Jesus IS THE TRUTH, then when a church teaches what CONTRADICTS what Jesus taught, who is the liar??? ----Jesus DID NOT TEACH Sunday is the Sabbath. Jesus DID NOT teach the Sabbath had been changed. Jesus DID NOT teach we can pray to the Dead!!! Jesus DID NOT teach Peter is a pope!! Jesus DID NOT teach anyone to pray to/use beads!! Jesus DID NOT teach we go to heaven at death!! Jesu DID NOT teach Mary is a mediator!! Jesus DID NOT teach a mere man is head of HIS CHURCH!! Jesus DID NOT teach we are to confess our sins to a priest!! Jesus DID NOT teach about confession booths. Jesus DID NOT teach about a place named purgatory. Jesus NEVER taught our salvation is from a church!! etc, etc. FACT: NO WHERE, even in Catholic bibles--is there a church named Catholic!!! >>>>Isaiah 8:20 To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no light. >>>>CHRISTIAN The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one", FOLLOWERS of the TEACHINGS of Christ!!! ******Written 2000 years ago! NOT my interpretation!!! >>> A Christian (/ˈkrɪstʃən, -tiən/) is a person who follows or adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. --And NO CATHOLIC follows Christ and HIS Teachings!! I suggest you ask yourself: Is this what Christ taught???
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 13 дней назад
@@geoffjs quote---- Jesus est His One True Church, Mt 16 18-19...unquote Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition 18 And I tell you, you are Peter,[a] and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.[19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven,[e] and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” Where is a church named there?????? >>>>-------Why did Jesus call Simon Peter the Rock? Peter the Rock | Catholic Answers Tract He was contrasting them. On the one side, the rock on which the Church would be built, Jesus himself; on the other, this mere pebble. Jesus was really saying that he himself would be the foundation, and he was emphasizing that Simon wasn't remotely qualified to be it.” -------Why do they call Jesus the rock? To those who put their faith in Him, He is the rock upon which they build their lives (Matthew 7:24-29; 16:13-20). As the solid foundation of the Christian life, Jesus is our rock of salvation (2 Samuel 22:47). -----Does Peter mean rock or stone? Actually, Jesus used one form of the word "rock" (petra) for the rock on which he would build his church, and another (petros) for Peter. According to George Abbott-Smith's Greek lexicon, "petra" means "a mass of ... rock," distinct from "petros" meaning "a detached stone or boulder." >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why did you mess with the English spelling of Petros? That is interesting you did that. IN the actual Greek that Matthew wrote, Peter is petros (which is little rock) and on THIS PETRA (BIG ROCK) Jesus will build HIS Church. Matthew makes a clear distinction here. The PETRA , the actual foundation is not in a human Peter, but the TRUTH of the Jesus Christ. That HE IS THE SON OF GOD The Messiah. that Peter recognized a few verses earlier. That is the PETRA the foundation. Not little petros. If Jesus meant Peter would be it, He would have just said, You are Petros and ON YOU I shall build the Church. Why use the term 'on this' if Jesus referred to Peter? Jesus wouldn't. There are two words as the meaning are clearly different. petros and PRETRA. ..>>>1 Peter 5:1 New Revised Standard Version Now as an elder myself and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, as well as one who shares in the glory to be revealed, I exhort the elders among you. Peter called himself a "FELLOW ELDER!!!! Not a Pope!!! >>>>quote---with Peter as His first representative or Prime Minister... unquote Why is Jesus called the head of the church? Jesus, Head of the Church | Loyola Press Jesus is supreme over all. Scripture says that God gave Jesus “as head over all things to the church, which is his body” (Ephesians 1:22-23). Jesus is head of the Church because of his primary role in our creation and our redemption. Jesus founded the Christian Church. Ephesians 1:22-23 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition 22 and he (God) has put all things under his (Jesus') feet and has made him the head over all things for the church, 23 which is his body, the fulness of him who fills all in all. Jesus-----NOT Peter!!!! -------Who is the true Head of the Church? Christ Christ is Lord of all. He is the one true head of the church (Ephesians 1:22; 5:23; Colossians 1:18). He is also King of kings-sovereign over every earthly authority (1 Timothy 6:15; Revelation 17:14; 19:16). NOT Peter!!!!! -----Jesus did not appoint Peter to the headship of the apostles and forbade any such notion (Matthew 20:20-28; Luke 22:24-26; Ephesians 1:22-23; Colossians 1:18; 1 Corinthians 3:11). >>>>Jesus gave Peter “the keys of the kingdom of heaven,” not the keys to heaven.1 A key was a badge of authority ( Luke 11:52 ), and then as now was used to open doors. Peter used the keys Christ gave him to open the door to the Jews on the Day of Pentecost ( Acts 2 ), to the Samaritans after the preaching of Philip ( Acts 8:14-17 ), and to the Gentiles after the Lord had sent him a vision and an appeal from Cornelius ( Acts 10 ). >>>>>>>>> Catholic Encyclopedia: The Pope: "The expressions binding and loosing here employed are derived from the current terminology of the Rabbinic schools. A doctor who declared a thing to be prohibited by the law was said to bind, for thereby he imposed an obligation on the conscience. He who declared it to be lawful was said to loose." >>>>>quote---Isa 22:22 which is the pillar & foundation of Truth 1 Tim 3:15.. unquote Isaiah 22:22 22 And I will place on his shoulder the key of the house of David; he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open. THAT IS ABOUT JESUS!!! Peter IS NOT from the house of David!!! >>>>1 Timothy 3:15 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition 15 if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth. Context The Supremacy of Christ …17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He may have preeminence. 19 For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him,… DEFINITELY NOT PETER!!! >>>>> The pillar and ground of the truth; which holds forth the truth to be seen and read of all, as pillars that bear inscriptions; and which supports and maintains truth, as every true church of Christ does so long as it remains so; though truth is the pillar and ground of the church; for if once truth is gone, a church is no more so: rather therefore Timothy himself is here designed; and the sense is, that what was written to him was with this view, that he might the better know how to conduct himself in the church of God, as a pillar and ground of truth, to hold it forth and to secure it: ministers of the Gospel are called pillars, ( Galatians 2:9 ) and that with greater propriety than the church itself, which is before called an house: though it may be best of all to understand it of Christ as incarnate, the great mystery of godliness; who as he is the ground and foundation of the church, and all believers, so he is the foundation of all true doctrine; and particularly the doctrine of his person, as truly God and truly man, is the pillar and ground which supports all other truths, and without which they fall to the ground: and so this clause may be read in connection with the following words, thus; "the pillar and ground of the truth, and without controversy, is the great mystery of godliness, &c". And this way of speaking is used by the Jews, both of persons and things; so Zebulun is said F3 to be (hrwth dwme) , "the pillar of the law"; and it is said F4 of ``the great sanhedrim in Jerusalem, they are the root of the oral law; and they are (harwhh ydwme) , "the pillars of doctrine"; and from them go forth the statutes and judgments unto Israel;'' and the same is said of things as of persons. Maimonides says F5, ``the foundation of foundations and the pillar of wisdom, is to know that there is a first Being, that gives being to all beings;'' >>>>>>>page 2 next
@dann285
@dann285 Месяц назад
Pope Boniface VIII's bull Unam sanctam of 1302 ] In it, declared, "We are compelled in virtue of our faith to believe and maintain that there is only one holy Catholic Church, (he means ROME) and that one is apostolic. This we firmly believe and profess without qualification. Outside THIS (he means ROME) Church there is no salvation and no remission of sins". The bull notably extends what had been ecclesiastical dictum into relations with temporal powers. ( Because the Pope is the king of the world) "We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff". Which is ABSURD. Ohh and WICKED. As far as Vatican 2, the 'one true" Church" has always spoken out both sides of her mouth for temporal and spiritual power and gain. Not to mention the laundry list of other contradictions that faithful Catholics both knowingly and unknowingly spin because Peter is the rock. Always goes back to the claimed authority of Rome. ALWAYS. Here is a question "5 For this reason I left you in Crete, that you should set in order the things that are lacking, and appoint elders in every city as I commanded you- 6 if a man is blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of [b]dissipation or insubordination. 7 For a [c]bishop must be blameless, as a steward of God, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, 8 but hospitable, a lover of what is good, sober-minded, just, holy, self-controlled, 9 holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict." How many of the successors of Peter ( dear lord) were anything but these qualifications, yet they were the successor to Peter?? No, homosexuals , drunks, adulterers' fathering children with prostitutes', and murderous thugs who dont let their own family get in the way. dont qualify. Spin it as much as you want. "“The Church recognizes that in many ways she is linked with those who, being baptized, are honored with the name of Christian, though they do not profess the faith in its entirety [e.g., Protestants] or do not preserve unity of communion with the successor of Peter [e.g., Orthodox].” And at the same time do not hold themselves subject to the ' Roman Pontiff" ??????? Say what?
@JoyToTheWorld-v2f
@JoyToTheWorld-v2f 4 дня назад
You should get your thoughts together before you start typing.
@teddubois6055
@teddubois6055 Месяц назад
0:45 😂 -Side door Christian.
@robinconnelly6079
@robinconnelly6079 2 месяца назад
Not a bad answer (as a protestant). Sounds like I'm going to heaven (that will be nice). I can see you are struggling with the question, and that's cool. You have a heart. Some people in the comments are not so cool. The parable of the sheep and the goats is all we need to know the truth. Theres no mention here of papal authority or anything like that, no sacraments, nothing. But the Catholics will be happy to see that its kinda works-based. Here's a thought. Do you really think that God was stupid enough to make salvation so complicated that you have to tick all these boxes, mass, baptism, confession, being a member of a Catholic church, accepting the Popes authority and on and on... to be saved? I mean, I even heard one Catholic commentator say that if you dont believe the doctrine that the Virgin Mary was taken up bodily into heaven, you're going to hell. I mean... Huh? No. The sheep and the goats embodies so much of what Christianity really is. It's actually really deep. It's talking about TRANSFORMED PEOPLE. People who's hearts of stone were replaced by hearts of flesh. They "had love" in the words of Paul. The goats didn't. Many of them were religious but, like the pharasees, they didn't get it. Its such a simple story. "Jesus died on the cross to save me from my sins". Even a child can understand it. And that little story and having faith in it does something amazing. It opens the door to the Holy Spirit and he does a miraculous work in the soul of the believer. That's the key to the transformation. Popes, authority, dogmas... All that stuff... how is a child or perhaps a low-IQ person expected to understand all that? But the simple story of the Gospel... Thats all we need. Jesus comes in. Jesus changes the heart. Even a child can understand repentance and live it out and be a child of God. And the Bible says all of this. Theres nothing I have said here that's not biblical and theologically solid. I don't even like the word "Protestant". That term is ancient history. For the time of Luther. But the more I listen to these Catholic videos, the more concerned I become and the more Protestant I feel I need to be.
@bibleman8010
@bibleman8010 2 месяца назад
why did Christ make sacraments then for you to brake the and claim your saved😁😁
@carakerr4081
@carakerr4081 2 месяца назад
I agree! As a Catholic Christian God looks at the heart ❤. God bless you ❤
@carakerr4081
@carakerr4081 2 месяца назад
With that said as a former non Catholic Protestant I believe the fullness of the faith lies in the one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. The Catholic Church is amazing! Highly recommend practicing Christianity within the Catholic Church it’s wonderful! ❤
@thailorconley6933
@thailorconley6933 2 месяца назад
Thank you for your kindness. As a protestant, I may not agree with some Catholic practices, but I have never doubted that Catholics are real Christians who love And follow Jesus with all their hearts. I also really admire the discipline and love for Christian history that so many of my Catholic brothers and sisters hold. God bless you, I can't wait to meet you in Heaven ❤.
@agnesbarber4035
@agnesbarber4035 2 месяца назад
That is the beauty of the Catholic Church. You can believe in Jesus and the church he established and we should all trust him at that level of simplicity. For those who are more intellectually able, there are many depths that one can learn about in the Catholic faith. But ultimately it comes down to believing in Jesus and his mercy as we are all sinners.
@user-uu8bs8tg1k
@user-uu8bs8tg1k Месяц назад
I was never saved in a catholic church.. i will not live my life filtered through a corrupt church that teaches mary worship or interssion. This is blasphemy. Or purgatory with is a lie from hell itself.
@melissamulkey1033
@melissamulkey1033 Месяц назад
Trent, what about the conservative Anglican churches? They have apostolic sucession, valid holy orders via the Dutch Touch. Matter of fact, Rome is in talks with orthodox Anglicans to come into full communion with Rome. Next meeting is in September 2024.
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 Месяц назад
quote----They have apostolic sucession, valid holy orders via the Dutch Touch... unquote And NOT ONE is biblical!!
@fredjasper7378
@fredjasper7378 2 месяца назад
There is no salvation outside the Church...done....sorry Luther heresy followers and fantasy landers
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 Месяц назад
quote----There is no salvation outside the Church...done....sorry Luther heresy followers and fantasy landers...unquote Salvation is God's grace. It is the gift of freedom from our sins that Jesus made possible by taking the punishment for our sins on the cross. Who is salvation for in the Bible? Salvation is the great work of God (Jonah 2:9) in which He forgives sin and gives eternal life to a believing sinner as a free gift of His grace (Eph. 2:8-9). Forgiveness is needed because all people are born sinners showing their sin nature soon after birth (Gen. 6:5;) Who is the source of salvation? Jesus Christ He is the God fully revealed in Jesus Christ. That God is source of salvation. So much is God revealed in Jesus Christ that, according to the fifth verse of Romans 9, Jesus is Himself God blessed forever. The source of salvation, therefore, is the triune God, the God who is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Is God or Jesus our salvation? Jesus Christ gives salvation by grace through faith. Yet God loves you and wants to save you from sin, to offer you a new life of hope. John 10:10 says, "I have come that they may have life and have it in abundance." To give you this gift of salvation, God made a way through His Son, Jesus Christ. What is the true salvation in the Bible? The Bible says “faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” Romans 10:17. Salvation takes place in the life of a person when he hears and believes “the word of truth,” that is, the gospel of salvation. Does salvation come from faith? God's Word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus and not by our own efforts or works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Grace Alone. Faith Alone. Grace alone means that God loves, forgives, and saves us not because of who we are or what we do, but because of the work of Christ. How is Jesus the source of salvation? The Catholic Church teaches that salvation comes through Jesus alone (Acts 4:12), since he is the “one mediator between God and man” (1 Tm 2:5-6). The saving grace won by Jesus is offered as a free gift to us, accessible through repentance, faith, and baptism. How can I be sure of my salvation? Through his sacrificial death on the cross for our sins Jesus has satisfied God's righteous wrath against us (1 John 1:7; 2:2; 4:10). By confessing that we believe that Jesus is the Son of God who came in the flesh to save us from our sins we can be confident that we have eternal life (1 John 4:2, 13-15; 5:13). How to come to God for salvation? The scripture says, "Whoever calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved." If you would like to know Christ, all you have to do is receive the free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ by saying a prayer of salvation. Pray this aloud: "Lord Jesus, I repent of my sins and surrender my life. Wash me clean. How do we get salvation? Romans 10:9-10 says, “that if you confess with your mouth the LORD Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. You want more??? NO ONE needs a church for their salvation!!!! GO DIRECTLY to GOD!!!!
@Dee-nonamnamrson8718
@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 Месяц назад
How can they say that, wspecially when the orthodox church preceded Roman Catholics.
@geoffjs
@geoffjs Месяц назад
Wrong, they split from the CC in 1054!
@markgraham2312
@markgraham2312 2 месяца назад
Trent Horn is very well informed and his scope reaches far. The Catholic Church since Vatican II no longer states outside the Church there is no salvation. It is quite possible for a non-believer to be freely saying yes to God’s self-communication in an implicit way even though the person concerned might think and say that he does not believe in God or in Jesus Christ. A Marxist woman might reject Christian faith as an opiate, yet in her faithful commitment to the poor of history, there would exist a fundamental yes to the mystery at the heart of life. A tribal man may never have come across the Gospel in any meaningful way, but in his love and respect for his traditional ritual, there would be an implicit and salvific faith. Karl Rahner, the greatest theologian of the 20th Century, describes this situation as that of the “anonymous Christian.” It is possible for a person to have an implicit saving faith and yet not be a Christian at the level of explicit concepts and language. The concept of the “anonymous Christian” has been criticized for various reasons. Some think it removes the motivation for missionary work. This objection ignores the fact that implicit faith, while it is salvific, still needs to reach its goal which is explicit faith in the liberating good news of Jesus Christ. Others say that the language “anonymous Christian” is self-contradictory, others still that it is a patronizing expression to use of those who freely choose not to be institutional Christians. It is important to remember, in connection with this last point, that this theology is meant to help Christians account for the salvation of others from within their own framework. While the terminology may be open to criticism, Rahner’s basic theological position is well justified. He has argued for a massive shift in Christian thinking from a pessimistic stance with regard to salvation of those outside the Church (“outside the Church no salvation”). Rahner’s positional is validated in the documents of Vatican II, where it is clearly and unambiguously taught that God’s saving grace is not limited to the confines of the visible Church, but reaches out to all men and women (Lumen Gentium, 16; Gaudium et Spes, 22; Ad Gentes, 7; Nostra Aetate, 1). With Vatican II the optimistic view of Karl Rahner has become clearly a matter of Catholic doctrine. In Gaudium et Spes it is written: All this holds true not only for Christians, but for all men of good will in whose hearts grace works in an unseen way. (31) For, since Christ died for all men,(32) and since the ultimate vocation of man is in fact one, and divine, we ought to believe that the Holy Spirit in a manner known only to God offers to every man the possibility of being associated with this paschal mystery.
@CanditoTrainingHQ
@CanditoTrainingHQ 2 месяца назад
Catholic Dogma by definition never can be contradicted in the future. To say "since Vatican II no longer states outside the Church there is no salvation" is false, as development of doctrine isn't the same thing as no longer stating a dogma. It just adds detail to what constitutes salvation within the church, as you explained accurately. It may seem like semantics, but it's very important to keep the principle clear. It's also important to emphasize that your atheist marxist example would be incredibly unlikely to be saved, especially if explicitly rejecting Christianity as an opiate to the masses (active opposition rather than ignorance) while being educated on God/Jesus which increases the burden (higher knowledge = higher burden due to consenting to repeated mortal sin). I'm sure you know this as well, but also important to emphasize communism has been repeatedly rebuked by the church even if one already accepts Jesus. There is no implication from being a marxist that someone cares about the poor. Often times its the opposite. I know you mentioned simply the possibility, so nothing technically wrong. Given the totality of church and Biblical teaching, some things are possible and very very close to 0 still. V2 doesn't take precedence due to recency, all councils are true fully. Only God knows with 100% certainty anyways.
@markgraham2312
@markgraham2312 2 месяца назад
​@@CanditoTrainingHQ "To say "since Vatican II no longer states outside the Church there is no salvation" is false, " is false. Rahner’s positional is validated in the documents of Vatican II, where it is clearly and unambiguously taught that God’s saving grace is not limited to the confines of the visible Church, but reaches out to all men and women (Lumen Gentium, 16; Gaudium et Spes, 22; Ad Gentes, 7; Nostra Aetate, 1). With Vatican II the optimistic view of Karl Rahner has become clearly a matter of Catholic doctrine. So you are wrong. Here's some of the text: All this holds true not only for Christians, but for all men of good will in whose hearts grace works in an unseen way.(31) For, since Christ died for all men,(32) and since the ultimate vocation of man is in fact one, and divine, we ought to believe that the Holy Spirit in a manner known only to God offers to every man the possibility of being associated with this paschal mystery. Catholic teaching was changed. Pius XII condemned the statement: "Outside the Church, there is no salvation," and so do the documents of Vatican II, which I have read. Many of the Church's teachings have changed: toleration of slavery, opposition to democracy, freedom of speech, and freedom of the press. Toleration of polygamy is repudiated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which I have read. "It may seem like semantics, but it's very important to keep the principle clear," you are wrong. You worship the Catholic Church as God, which it is not, has never been and never will be. "It's also important to emphasize that your atheist Marxist example would be incredibly unlikely to be saved," wrong. You don't get to decide who is saved, God does. Read: 1Cor 4:4. It is God alone who judges, not CanditoTrainingHQ. "if explicitly rejecting Christianity as an opiate to the masses (active opposition rather than ignorance) while being educated on God/Jesus which increases the burden (higher knowledge = higher burden due to consenting to repeated mortal sin)," -- mumbo jumbo! I never stated anything about communism. " There is no implication from being a Marxist that someone cares about the poor. Often times its the opposite. " -- that again is not what I wrote. How do you calculate probabilities? Do you have an advanced degree in statistics? "all councils are true fully. " -- false. Have you read the decrees of the Ecumenical Councils? I have. Some are abhorrent. Your view is very narrow. There are approximately 100 billion (100 x 10^9) stars in the Milky Way galaxy. Approximately 1/2 the stars have planets and the average number of planets orbiting a star are two. If the probability of developing life on the order of human beings is 1/50,000 then there are approximately: 100 x 10^9 x 1/2 x 2 x 1/50,000 = 2 million planets in our galaxy with life on the order of human beings. How will they ever know anything about Jesus Christ? How? Then take into account that there are about 200 billion (200 x 10^9) galaxies in the universe, which would yield: 200 x 10^9 galaxies x 2 million planets with life on the order of human beings = 400 quadrillion planets (400 x 10^12) with people on the order of human beings living on them. How is the Church going to get to them? Ever? Clearly, outside the Church there is salvation.
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 2 месяца назад
I disagree that Karl Rayner was the best theologian of the 20th century. He was too much of a modernist & was not in the same league as Cardinal Ratzinger who, as a mystic, was light years ahead of Rayner!
@markgraham2312
@markgraham2312 2 месяца назад
@@geoffjs You are wrong. Ratzinger was an incompetent theologian who believed in halleluiah and ignorance here we come. Oh, it's Rahner, not Rayner. Too much of a modernist? What does that even mean? A theologian has to deal with the time in which he lives and the issues of the day. Ratzinger was not a mystic. Rahner was a mystic. Do you even know what a mystic is? Ratzinger was a conservative fundamentalist, obsessed with sin. Not that everything he said was wrong. But he turned a blind eye to the sex abuse scandal in America and stated it was a uniquely American phenomenon. A completely untrue statement. And I stated that Karl Rahner was the greatest (not best) theologian of the 20th century.
@geoffjs
@geoffjs Месяц назад
@@markgraham2312You have the right to be wrong! Benedict will be canonised whereas Rahner won’t be canonised!
@Cammed5point3sierra
@Cammed5point3sierra Месяц назад
He’s just yapping 😅
@markelmore66
@markelmore66 2 месяца назад
John 14:6. Romans 10:13. Ephesians 2:8-9. Romans 10: 9-10. Funny I don’t see “Catholic Church” or any church in those verses… but hey! I guess you Catholics have the monopoly on God so I guess it’s the Hell Express for me…. How stupid of me to trust Jesus and take him at his word…
@pierreschiffer3180
@pierreschiffer3180 2 месяца назад
Great job at utterly nullifying an established dogma of the Holy Church, buddy! For someone searching for the reason for the Church dying in our time: look no further.
@bmike410
@bmike410 2 месяца назад
Sola Catholica
@apologist1
@apologist1 Месяц назад
If one finds themselves in heaven, they will be Catholic, and it will have come through the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic church Jesus setup for that very reason.
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 Месяц назад
quote---If one finds themselves in heaven, they will be Catholic, and it will have come through the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic church Jesus setup for that very reason.... unquote Quote the book, chapter and verse FROM the Bible that mentions a church named "one, holy, Catholic and apostolic church"!!! FACT: _First time a church named catholic is written is by Ignatius of Antioch in 110AD!!!! IT IS NEVER mentioned before that!!! ---
@andresgomez4216
@andresgomez4216 Месяц назад
Trent horn is a clown tbh
@jefferymartenson2633
@jefferymartenson2633 2 месяца назад
Lol no salvation outside the church turns into “salvation sometimes outside the church” Weak vatican 2 rubbish.
@antoniolinhares7871
@antoniolinhares7871 2 месяца назад
how can Catholic church be saved when they go by traditions and not by Scripture alone
@geoffjs
@geoffjs Месяц назад
Because sola Scriptura is not biblical & Protestants don’t receive His grace via His Real True Presence in the Eucharist which is necessary for salvation Jn 6:53
@TimSpangler-rd6vs
@TimSpangler-rd6vs 2 месяца назад
'More perfect or less perfect". You do realize this is impossible right?
@br.m
@br.m 2 месяца назад
This is Catholic Answers. Try Lutheran Answers, they will be right about most things
@enderwiggen3638
@enderwiggen3638 2 месяца назад
When it comes to your obedience to God, you are not perfect. So it’s a spectrum … some people are more obedient to God as are churches. The less perfect is a acknowledgment that the other churches do not practice all that was taught but practice some
@TimSpangler-rd6vs
@TimSpangler-rd6vs 2 месяца назад
@@enderwiggen3638 "He has perfected forever those being sanctified"
@enderwiggen3638
@enderwiggen3638 2 месяца назад
@@TimSpangler-rd6vs so you claim to be perfect when Christ himself said there is no good except God? This is why protes get so much wrong about their position with God
@MichaelAChristian1
@MichaelAChristian1 2 месяца назад
​@@enderwiggen3638He paraphrased scripture. None good but God. This corruptible puts on incorruptible. Jesus Christ has perfected us by one offering. No way to get around perfect and claim more imperfect things needed. That's the point being made.
@user-fi1pe4dg3u
@user-fi1pe4dg3u 2 месяца назад
They can’t say it because it’s not true. Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Jesus. Not the catholic religion.
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 2 месяца назад
Yes, but Jesus did say that baptism is necessary for salvation Jn 3:5, likewise with His Literal Real True Presence in the Eucharist Jn 6:53
@henrybenjaminstoneking238
@henrybenjaminstoneking238 Месяц назад
The Body of Christ is what you are baptized into- and so your protestant Baptism, like the false Catholic Vatican 2 Baptism, is completely Null, and an abomination in GODs Face JESUS stated, "You are Peter, the Rock, and I will build my Church on you. and the gates of Hell will not prevail" What are you protestants missing with this very easy message from LORD JESUS? You prefer to sin boldly and lead others Souls to Hell under the guise that you are a Christian, which is a lie There is only one Christian Church; and if you die outside of this physical Church, and the mystical BODY of CHRST, you have no HOLY GHOST, and you will perish forever with all the pagans go see where Saint Peter is buried and come back and talk more nonsense Peter gave his life for you to be saved, have a physical Church, and you are choosing the lies of Satan instead
@HaleStorm49
@HaleStorm49 2 месяца назад
For a long time....Fear and coercion were a vital component of religious authority. It doesnt work anymore and the math never did.
@henrybenjaminstoneking238
@henrybenjaminstoneking238 Месяц назад
Really? why does Satan always try to soften the Truth that JESUS gave us then? Youi trust Satan more than JESUS? "Life and death are before you, stretch out your hand to the one you prefer" The Catholic Church thrives on TRUTH, as this is what makes a man Spiritual "GOD must be worshipped in SPIRIT and TRUTH" JESUS what Math are you talking about? The almost 100% of souls who go straight to Hell after their death, even after JESUS did everything possible for them to be saved? Softies have always invaded the Catholic Church and tried to make Catholics weak and pagan, and that is what we have today. So you are lost in blindness and choosing lies and sin over TRUTH and you will be condemned for it
@macdan22
@macdan22 2 месяца назад
No salvation outside the church is just another lie told, just like the immaculate conception, just like papal infallibility and unjudgable. Imagine putting limits on Gods ability to save. The pride and arrogance of it is appalling.
@danielcigolea7221
@danielcigolea7221 2 месяца назад
Well, I think you are way too against the Catholic religion that you reject even the partly-good things they say. Let me explain: everyone that belongs to God is saved, and they form the Church; no one else is saved. So, it is true there is no salvation for those outside the Church. Note that I did not use the word 'Catholic' in my explanation because it is not needed.
@bibleman8010
@bibleman8010 2 месяца назад
nothing like naming it and claiming it right you Fundamentalists can't help it they believe the earth is really flat. They are the only Christians in the world who believe they can committ 10 ax murders a day and still get a one way all expense paid trip to heaven; cuz that's what pastor Dodo tells them.🤢🤢
@macdan22
@macdan22 2 месяца назад
Quite an assumption, seeing I am Catholic. Even in your explanation you are doing what those who push these lies do. They twist, bend and insert to make what they are pushing more easy to swallow. They aren't just saying "those who belong to God" For the record, every single human being from Adam to the final day belongs to God but not everyone will be saved. They say no salvation outside the Catholic Church, just how some Eastern Orthodox says there is no salvation outside of their church (I call them out on that nonsense too).
@danielcigolea7221
@danielcigolea7221 2 месяца назад
@@macdan22 OK, tell me what did I bend, twist, insert to get to the conclusion I presented. Call me on my nonsense specifically, don't write a novel without saying anything meaningful.
@macdan22
@macdan22 2 месяца назад
I guess maybe work on your reading comprehension. I already did that. Twice in 3 lines worth of text. Hardly a novel but let me bullet point it for you to make it easier. "I think you are way to against the catholic religion,..." - I told you that was quite the assumption seeing I am Cathholic. "everyone that belongs to God is saved..." - I said "For the record every single human being from Adam to the final day belongs to God but not everyone will be saved."
@williamgunn3853
@williamgunn3853 2 месяца назад
Use Scripture challenge: Impossible
@Sixpenny2480
@Sixpenny2480 2 месяца назад
Its all throughout scripture? You can only be saved by Christ. If you dont follow the doctrines of Christ you have no God 2 john 1 9. If the Catholic church is the church Christ founded then what does it mean to not be part of it?
@williamgunn3853
@williamgunn3853 2 месяца назад
@@Sixpenny2480 Again, use scripture instead of jumping to conclusions. "It's all throughout scripture" yet you can't provide any references (That would be known in the world of debate and logical fallacies as a hasty generalization). You're landing on the assumption that Christ founded the Roman Catholic Church despite their egregious doctrine and perversion of the unmerited gospel of faith and grace. (Go ahead and pull James 2 out of context (disregarding verse 10) even though in the apostolic and infallible witness of scripture, James would not contradict Paul on Justification and is speaking about demonstration, not about reconciliation to God). Salvation is by grace, through faith, in Christ, according to scripture, to the Glory of God. I'll insert some helpful verses (the full counsel of scripture is typically helpful to learn and study before attempting to correct and make claims without any evidence). (Titus 3v5, Eph 2vv1-10, 1 Pet 1vv18-19, 1 Tim 2v5, 1 John 2vv1-2, Heb 8vv1-7, Rom 3vv22-25, John 19v30, Heb 10v14, Heb 7v27, Acts 4v12, John 14v6, 1 Cor 15vv1-4, 27-28, Eph 1vv20-22, Rom 1vv16-17, Gal 1v9, Rom 10v9, 3vv21-26, 11v6) to list a few. I would suggest you take a peek at these verses and allow the Holy Spirit to remove your self-righteousness and pharisaical spirit. You must be born again.
@Sixpenny2480
@Sixpenny2480 2 месяца назад
@williamgunn3853 You should google who started the Roman Catholic church. We can even see the book of Romans was written to the church of Rome. Can you name one earlier church? Surrounding faith alone. I'm assuming you mean sola fide. John Calvin said faith alone saves but faith is never alone. One of the reformers himself. As you've already mentioned James 2 then you would know that the only place in which faith alone appears is James 2 24. None of the other verses say faith alone. You can even see that faith is never alone. It's actually from your own interpretation you pit James and Paul against each other. You would also pit John 15 against Paul ad well. Surrounding interpretation of scripture. It is not for personal interpretation 2 Peter 1 20. You should rely upon the church Matt 18 17, 1 Tim 3 15, You should also not reject the apostolic authority Luke 10 16, Matt 18 etc. So you have multiple problems here. If Christ founded the Catholic church you are against his doctrines. For my first piece of evidence I will use Romans 1 7 and I will also go to the early christians. Ignatius of Antioch was a disciple to John the Revelator and Peter. He stated this "Wherever Jesus Christ is there is the Catholic church".
@andrewlailvaux1571
@andrewlailvaux1571 Месяц назад
Just another false catholic teaching can add it to purgatory, praying to Mary and the saints and needing to be purified before entering Heaven all completely unbiblical.
@henrybenjaminstoneking238
@henrybenjaminstoneking238 Месяц назад
The Bible is from the Catholic Church so maybe you are the one who is unbiblical
@geoffjs
@geoffjs Месяц назад
It is biblical to pray for intercession Purgatory The concept of Purgatory does exist in Scripture which is very clear when it says, “But nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]” (Rev. 21:27). Hab. 1:13 says, “You [God]… are of purer eyes than to behold evil and cannot look on wrong…” How many of us will be perfectly sanctified at the time of our deaths? I dare say most of us will be in need of further purification in order to enter the gates of heaven after we die, if, please God, we die in a state of grace. Purgatory can be supported by II Maccabees 12:39-46, we discover Judas Maccabeus and members of his Jewish military forces collecting the bodies of some fallen comrades who had been killed in battle. When they discovered these men were carrying “sacred tokens of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear” (vs. 40), Judas and his companions discerned they had died as a punishment for sin. Therefore, Judas and his men “turned to prayer beseeching that the sin which had been committed might be wholly blotted out… He also took up a collection… and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably… Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.” This may be why Luther removed Macabees from his bible & was tempted to do the same with the book of James Luke 12 35-48 servants rewarded/punished in varying ways For some Protestants to say that all sin is sin and to not differentiate between mortal sin like adultery and venial sin like stealing a dollar is illogical & a poor understanding
@andrewlailvaux1571
@andrewlailvaux1571 Месяц назад
@@geoffjs Not to people who are dead lol that's expressly forbidden and before you try tell me the saints are alive in Heaven i'll just correct you in advance. Everyone who has lived their life on Earth and died is considered dead Biblically. Ever read the verse that says "The dead IN Christ will rise first" Trying to communicate with the deadis necromancy in reality.
@andrewlailvaux1571
@andrewlailvaux1571 Месяц назад
@@geoffjs and we do not need to be purified as we are presented blameless. Jude 1:24-25 English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy, to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. " 21Once you were alienated from God and were hostile in your minds because of your evil deeds. 22But now He has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy, unblemished, and blameless in His presence - 23if indeed you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope of the gospel you heard," So whats the condition,continue in the faith.Purgatory is Catholic fiction.
@geoffjs
@geoffjs Месяц назад
@@andrewlailvaux1571 I never said pray TO the dead but FOR the dead ie prayers of intercession which are biblical, pls try to be fair minded! 1 Tim 2 1-5 I urge you, first of all, to pray for all people. Rom 8 35-39 Death cannot separate Mk 12 26-27 God of the living Jas 5 16-18 Prayer of a good man Rom 12:5 Communion of saints Rev 5:8 Purgatory The concept of Purgatory does exist in Scripture which is very clear when it says, “But nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]” (Rev. 21:27). Hab. 1:13 says, “You [God]… are of purer eyes than to behold evil and cannot look on wrong…” How many of us will be perfectly sanctified at the time of our deaths? I dare say most of us will be in need of further purification in order to enter the gates of heaven after we die, if, please God, we die in a state of grace. Purgatory can be supported by II Maccabees 12:39-46, we discover Judas Maccabeus and members of his Jewish military forces collecting the bodies of some fallen comrades who had been killed in battle. When they discovered these men were carrying “sacred tokens of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear” (vs. 40), Judas and his companions discerned they had died as a punishment for sin. Therefore, Judas and his men “turned to prayer beseeching that the sin which had been committed might be wholly blotted out… He also took up a collection… and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably… Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.” This may be why Luther removed Macabees from his bible & was tempted to do the same with the book of James Luke 12 35-48 servants rewarded/punished in varying ways For some Protestants to say that all sin is sin and to not differentiate between mortal sin like adultery and venial sin like stealing a dollar is illogical & a poor understanding
@donn07
@donn07 2 месяца назад
Any doctrine which says salvation is by works or by being in a catholic or Presbyterian denomination is from HELL
@br.m
@br.m 2 месяца назад
Why do people still include Roman Catholicism in a discussion about Christianity? They are a whole different thing way way over there. Catholics can say whatever they want, that doesn't change the fact that they are wrong.
@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039
@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039 2 месяца назад
If that were true, then Christianity didn't exist until your church came around 1,500+ years after Christ?
@br.m
@br.m 2 месяца назад
@@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039 My church does not exist it never have or ever will. I'm a Christian, a believer in Jesus. Roman Catholicism does not believe in Jesus. They just use the name in vain as they worship themselves and exalt themselves and try to save themselves. Works, penance, purgatory.... Good grief
@Sixpenny2480
@Sixpenny2480 2 месяца назад
@br.m Wherever Jesus Christ is there is the Catholic church= Ignatius of Antioch disciple to John the revelator and Peter.
@Sixpenny2480
@Sixpenny2480 2 месяца назад
​@br.m surrounding your other claims. Yes the Catholic church believes in Christ. Its all throughout the bible the church compiled. Faith alone is only mentioned once in scripture its James 2 24. John Calvin once said faith alone saves but faith is never alone. Penance is all throughout the OT and NT see 1 Cor. 9:27, Matt. 6:17-18 and Joel 1:13-14. Surroundinf purgatory the problem is sin attaches to beleivers Heb 12 1 yet we can see in Revelations sin cannot enter heaven. God bless
@ironrex6979
@ironrex6979 2 месяца назад
Because it’s the real one not made up years later or crazy gnostic bs
@stephenbailey9969
@stephenbailey9969 2 месяца назад
Church (Greek, ekklesia=assembly of people) The people who belong to Jesus are his church. The denominations are historical and cultural artifacts of this age. When Christ returns in glory, and this age is over, all will be one and the artifacts forgotten. To recognize this is to listen to the Spirit's call today: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, free nor enslaved. All are one in Christ." So, what is to be done? "Love one another as I have loved you."
@bibleman8010
@bibleman8010 2 месяца назад
What Holy Scripture has said Christ's Church would be: How Christ's Church has conformed to Holy Scripture: It will be founded by GOD: Psalms 127:1, Matthew 16:18 It was founded by GOD. It will be highly visible: Isaiah 2:2, Matthew 5:14 It is highly visible. It will have the authority: Matthew 18:15-18, John 20:21-22 It has the authority given to it by Jesus Christ. It will have a Father Figure: Isaiah 22:20-25 It has a Father Figure, as GOD always had for His people. It will be a Theocracy and not a Democracy: Eph 5:23-24 It is a Theocracy. It is governed from the top down. The blueprint for it is described in the book of Acts. It is blueprinted in the book of Acts. It will have priests, deacons, Bishops: Acts 6:1-6,14:22,20:28 It always has had priests, deacons, and Bishops. It will have Apostolic Succession: Psalm 109:8, Acts 1:20-26 It has Apostolic Succession. It will offer sacrifice every day in every place: Malachi 1:11 It does offer sacrifice every day in every place. It will be guided by the Holy Spirit: John 14:16-17, 16:12-13 It is guided by the Holy Spirit: Acts 15:28, Rev 2:7 Truths of GOD to be revealed to it over time: John 16:12-13 Truths of GOD have been revealed to it over time: Eph 3:10 It will be the Pillar and Foundation of Truth: 1Timothy 3:15 It is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth. It will be the guardian of truth: 2Timothy 1:13-14 It has been the guardian of truth for almost 2000 years. It will uphold Apostolic Tradition: 2Thessalonians 2:15 It upholds Apostolic Tradition. It will have Church councils: Proverbs 11:14, Acts 15:1-29 It holds periodic Church councils: Acts 15:1-29 It will be attacked from the inside: John 6:70 It has been attacked from the inside. It will be attacked from the outside: Matthew 5:10-12, 10:22 It has been attacked from the outside. All who fight against it shall be confounded: Isaiah 41:11 37,000+ Protestant sects is proof that they are confounded. It will be found in every century: Ephesians 3:21 It is found in every century from the day Christ founded it. It will last forever: Isa 41:10-11, 54:17, 59:21, Matt 28:20 It is still with us today from the day in which He founded it. There is only one Church in the entire world which matches all of the Scriptural requirements as listed above. Can your sect match even one of those requirements? That's very simplistic. In my view, to believe in Jesus is to believe He existed, He's the Son of God and God in the flesh, never sinned, is our only savior and He did and say things in truth out of LOVE, NECESSITY AND with a PURPOSE. That said, we have to look closely to his deeds, particularly about establishing a Church. Why did He instituted such a thing? What was the necessity for that and the purpose? So that we don't ever loose sight of his true teachings. And what did His Church taught? Well, all we have to do is analyse all the primitive documents from the first centuries and come to the conclusion what Church today teaches the same things as the early church (and there's only one that corresponds: the Catholic Church). In conclusion: to believe in Christ is to believe and hold fast to His Church. To believe in Christ and reject His established Church is a dichotomy/contradiction. Even Christ identifies Himself with his Church (Acts 9:4; 22:7; Lk 10:16; 1Tim.3:15)
@stephenbailey9969
@stephenbailey9969 2 месяца назад
@@bibleman8010 The Church is the people. who belong to the Lord Jesus. Denominations are historical and cultural artifacts. They are part of this age. In the age to come, there will just be God and people.
@bibleman8010
@bibleman8010 2 месяца назад
@@stephenbailey9969 guess your against what scripture says typical servant of Satan
@bibleman8010
@bibleman8010 2 месяца назад
@@stephenbailey9969 guess your against what scripture says typical servant of Satan "I write these things to thee hoping to come to thee shortly, but in order that thou mayest know, if I am delayed, how to conduct thyself in the house of GOD, which is the Church of the Living GOD, the pillar and mainstay of the truth." 1Tim 3:14-15
@stephenbailey9969
@stephenbailey9969 2 месяца назад
@@bibleman8010 'Church' is the English translation of the Greek ekklesia, which means "assembly of people". The Church is all those who belong to Christ. Denominations are cultural and historical artifacts, useful tools which the Lord uses to take his message to the world. They are the gift wrapping, at times mangled and muddied by the acts of fallible men. But the Lord Jesus is the eternal gift. We are one in him.
@KFish-bw1om
@KFish-bw1om 2 месяца назад
That's the corner they've painted themselves into. When you make the Pope your god. Then you have no choice but to say that. Any Roman Catholics who are saved, are saved in spite of, not because of, the teachings of the Roman Catholic church. That's the really sad thing about it.
@Sixpenny2480
@Sixpenny2480 2 месяца назад
No one makes the pope God so thats an immediate lie. However the pope is a successor of Saint Peter whom Christ gave authority too. Matt 16 18 to 19, Luke 22 32 etc. This was done by the laying of hands as Paul did to Timothy. Your denial of him is as a denial of the apostles Luke 10 16. The Roman Catholic church was there from the beginning. The church of Rome is in scripture. Ignatius the disciple of John the revelator and Peter tells us " Wherever Jesus Christ is there is the Catholic church". Hope this cleared up some issues. God bless
@Justyouraverageguy172
@Justyouraverageguy172 2 месяца назад
That’s just the straw man propaganda you have been fed all your life and didn’t come to on your own. Matthew 16:17-19 and Isaiah 22 make clear that there is real authority in the Catholic Church Jesus gives and Protestants exist to keep themselves separate from Catholics not united to them both theologically, Scripturally, and logically. Catholics have more in common with Eastern Orthodoxy and Anglicans than we do with Protestants.
@danielcigolea7221
@danielcigolea7221 2 месяца назад
@@Sixpenny2480 "The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." Pope Pius V “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty" Pope Leo XIII "To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical." Pope John XXII
@Sixpenny2480
@Sixpenny2480 2 месяца назад
@danielcigolea7221 1=The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." -Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous," attributed to Pope Pius V. Slight problem he wasn't the pope when this quote was attributed to him. 2= But since We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty, who will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth, and now that Our advanced age and the bitterness of anxious cares urge Us on towards the end common to every mortal, We feel drawn to follow the example of Our Redeemer and Master, Jesus Christ, who when about to return to Heaven, implored of God, His Father, in earnest prayer, that His disciples and followers should be of one mind and of one heart: "I pray...that they all may be one, as thou Father in Me, and I in Thee: that they also may be one in Us
@Sixpenny2480
@Sixpenny2480 2 месяца назад
@danielcigolea7221 The third one is attributed to misunderstandings. However the correct title is holy Father.
@jondahl3173
@jondahl3173 2 месяца назад
If you understand that the Catholic system is built on non-biblical principles, and most of the Protestant system has adopted those principles, it adds depth to the arguments. And will help you understand Revelation 18 and the call to come out of the Babylonian system and not partake of "Her" plagues. This call by Christ is to everyone. You are not safe within any denomination, especially the Harlot system of worship, which has been correctly identified as Roman Catholicism for hundreds of years.
@Sixpenny2480
@Sixpenny2480 2 месяца назад
Wherever Jesus Christ is there is the Catholic church. Ignatius of Antioch disciple to John the revelator and Peter
@bibleman8010
@bibleman8010 2 месяца назад
What Holy Scripture has said Christ's Church would be: How Christ's Church has conformed to Holy Scripture: It will be founded by GOD: Psalms 127:1, Matthew 16:18 It was founded by GOD. It will be highly visible: Isaiah 2:2, Matthew 5:14 It is highly visible. It will have the authority: Matthew 18:15-18, John 20:21-22 It has the authority given to it by Jesus Christ. It will have a Father Figure: Isaiah 22:20-25 It has a Father Figure, as GOD always had for His people. It will be a Theocracy and not a Democracy: Eph 5:23-24 It is a Theocracy. It is governed from the top down. The blueprint for it is described in the book of Acts. It is blueprinted in the book of Acts. It will have priests, deacons, Bishops: Acts 6:1-6,14:22,20:28 It always has had priests, deacons, and Bishops. It will have Apostolic Succession: Psalm 109:8, Acts 1:20-26 It has Apostolic Succession. It will offer sacrifice every day in every place: Malachi 1:11 It does offer sacrifice every day in every place. It will be guided by the Holy Spirit: John 14:16-17, 16:12-13 It is guided by the Holy Spirit: Acts 15:28, Rev 2:7 Truths of GOD to be revealed to it over time: John 16:12-13 Truths of GOD have been revealed to it over time: Eph 3:10 It will be the Pillar and Foundation of Truth: 1Timothy 3:15 It is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth. It will be the guardian of truth: 2Timothy 1:13-14 It has been the guardian of truth for almost 2000 years. It will uphold Apostolic Tradition: 2Thessalonians 2:15 It upholds Apostolic Tradition. It will have Church councils: Proverbs 11:14, Acts 15:1-29 It holds periodic Church councils: Acts 15:1-29 It will be attacked from the inside: John 6:70 It has been attacked from the inside. It will be attacked from the outside: Matthew 5:10-12, 10:22 It has been attacked from the outside. All who fight against it shall be confounded: Isaiah 41:11 37,000+ Protestant sects is proof that they are confounded. It will be found in every century: Ephesians 3:21 It is found in every century from the day Christ founded it. It will last forever: Isa 41:10-11, 54:17, 59:21, Matt 28:20 It is still with us today from the day in which He founded it. There is only one Church in the entire world which matches all of the Scriptural requirements as listed above. Can your sect match even one of those requirements? That's very simplistic. In my view, to believe in Jesus is to believe He existed, He's the Son of God and God in the flesh, never sinned, is our only savior and He did and say things in truth out of LOVE, NECESSITY AND with a PURPOSE. That said, we have to look closely to his deeds, particularly about establishing a Church. Why did He instituted such a thing? What was the necessity for that and the purpose? So that we don't ever loose sight of his true teachings. And what did His Church taught? Well, all we have to do is analyse all the primitive documents from the first centuries and come to the conclusion what Church today teaches the same things as the early church (and there's only one that corresponds: the Catholic Church). In conclusion: to believe in Christ is to believe and hold fast to His Church. To believe in Christ and reject His established Church is a dichotomy/contradiction. Even Christ identifies Himself with his Church (Acts 9:4; 22:7; Lk 10:16; 1Tim.3:15)
@jondahl3173
@jondahl3173 2 месяца назад
@@bibleman8010 When the individual believer obeys God's Torah Law, then you have the beginning of an apostolic church. Catholicism has; it's own Law, it's own festivals, it's own "covenant" which is no covenant, it's own doctrines separate from true Bible teachings. And it is self confessed to stand in the place of God, and has it's own mediatrix, Mary the queen of heaven. We just happen to know that mediatrix under several names, Semeramus, Dianna of the Ephesians, and Ishtar to name a few. These are all historical facts, beyond contestation. What God's church looks like is Torah obedient Yeshua (Jesus) followers who cut ties with all these pagan things. Catholicism has claimed to change God's times and law, a prophecy fulfilled of the book of Daniel chapter 9. I've read the claims of Thomas Aquinas' work, various papal leaders, read several quotes from Catholic catechisms on the matter of both the 7th day Sabbath change, as well as the change of God's appointed times of Leviticus 23, new covenant theology as a replacement for Everlasting Covenant theology which is Biblical. To me, it's downright terrifying to have seen all this and watch the uninformed go down the wide path whistling Dixie as they head to destruction.
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