How Did 243 Win. Bury 6mm Rem?

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Everyone loves an underdog. But that’s not why the 243 Winchester buried the faster 244 Remington which now races under the banner of 6mm Remington. In this video, I will tell you the crazy story of how the weaker 243 Win. blew away the superior 6mm Rem.
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@timeverett7828 3 года назад

6 mm Remington always one of my faves.

@atthebrink74 3 года назад

Love my 6mm

@tbjtbj4786 3 года назад

I have had both. To me the 6mm has killed a bit quicker. Especially on hogs. I have used the 80gr load the most. And my wife loves hers its a ruger 77. And I have bought my grandson one for when he gits big enough.

@atthebrink74 3 года назад

@@tbjtbj4786 yep! I love my 6MM REM. I think it’s funny that all these “new” 6mm rounds are getting press like it’s a new thing, the 6mm/243 has been around for ages and this new stuff is no better. Marketing hype....

@bob707builder8 3 года назад

I forgot about the 6 mm. I remember talking to a guy at work many years ago who said that 6mm was always his go to for deer hunting here in Missouri. It always worked for him.

@tbjtbj4786 3 года назад

@@atthebrink74 yea like the 6.5 to. The 260 vs the 6.5 cred. The 264 win and the 6.5 prc. They just keep making the same round in a new case over and over.

@TexanUSMC8089 3 года назад

Remington has developed some great cartridges, but marketed them wrong. My favorite is the 280 remington. It should have been one of the most popular in North America.

@wilburnmartin9522 3 года назад

I read a Jim Carmichael article back in 89 or 90 and had to get a 280rem. Once I got out of high school and got a job I ordered a 700 mountain rifle in 280rem. I've been happy with it now for nearly 30 years

@jakehembree3859 3 года назад

Most accurate comment I’ve seen. Remington has made great cartridges that no one knows about..... .280 rem, .260 rem.. hornady’s marketing has been on fire over the last decade Remington might need to look to hire some of hornady’s folks.

@johnhale9686 3 года назад

@@jakehembree3859 I don't think that's going to happen.

@adamelam6385 3 года назад

@@wilburnmartin9522 smart move from such a young man. It’s so versatile.

@wilburnmartin9522 3 года назад

@@adamelam6385 probably the only smart move I made then 😆

@peterresetz1960 3 года назад

Back in 1977 the first centerfire rifle I bought was a Ruger 77 (original tang safety) chamber in 6mm Rem. Very accurate, easy to reload, and with 80-90 grain bullets could be shot all day long without beating up my shoulder.

@markmtbrider 3 года назад

Only problem with the 243 , is it shoots sooooo nice , you are going to use up a lot of ammo. If you can find it.

@scotthomberg141 3 года назад

Just found this channel by accident looking for info on the 7mm. Not only do you seem extremely knowledgeable on the subjects you cover, but you have the perfect voice for instructional videos. Hopefully you'll keep making videos.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 года назад

Well thank you, Scott. I plan to continue with these videos for a time, at least.

@arthurshingler2025 6 месяцев назад

Ron is one of my Heroes!

@jonfranklin4583 3 года назад

I've taken blacktails with the 243 and with 100 grain bullets it drops them like a bad habit! As usual, thanks for a great history of cartridge development and marketing, always nice to know the history of different cartridges.

@UI_Shaggy05 3 месяца назад

My Weatherby Vanguard synthetic in 243 is my favorite rifle I own, you can NEVER go wrong with a good ol' 243!

@jerad4336 21 день назад

I have one of those as well, love it.

@adamcuneo7189 Год назад

The amazing thing about the .243, is that while originally developed as a varmint cartridge, it became so popular for big game, that it was used by the LAPD SWAT teams for urban sniping roles. That alone really shows you how effective the .243 is.

@tomwilliams3089 3 года назад

Back in the '70s my first center fire was a 788 in 6mm and I loved it.

@skalvenner 3 года назад

I love my .243, it's the reason I started watching Mr.Spomers videos.

@shermdog6969 3 года назад

I've taken lots of deer with the 243.

@daveaver 3 года назад

Never a deer but lots of fun shooting that versatile cartridge in so many weights.

@JonHunter80 3 года назад

I seen some aholes using a 460 S&W rifle on a doe, would you say thats ideal? or is a 243 far better? I say 243 all day is all u need unless in heavy brush

@innerloc100 3 года назад

6MM remington. I have owned mine for 41 years. Model 788 in a left hand. Bought it new for 180$ mail order...lol. Topped it of with the same vintage Bushnell Banner 4x40 wide angle scope (back when they had proper optics). Gopher at 200 yards was not a problem. Started reloading for it and over the years, was putting my "go to" deer rounds into sub moa at 250 yards (Sierra game king 100 grain). I have also played with the 55 grain varmageddon hollow points.....same hole for 3 shots at 100. I will upgrade the scope and begin to stretch the bench rest out to 700 yards plus... It has taken moose, mule and white tail...and numerous other small critters. Most people turn up their noses on the range when they find out what it is....but ask alot of questions when it puts in a .5inch group at 200....

@krysis7271 10 месяцев назад

In 24 and my current favorite rifle I own is my Remington 700 chambered in 6mm rem. It was left to me by my grandfather.

@arcticminer32 3 года назад

I have picked up two 6mm rifles in the last 5 years and I have been amazed at the accuracy. In our area I can, actually , find several types of ammo still on the shelves while most everything is scarce. So everything Ron has portrayed has been right on point.

@dbuckner902010 3 года назад

Wouldn’t want to sell some brass lol if I don’t find any soon I guess I will be necking down 257 roberts

@ksoutdoorsports 3 года назад

I had a Remington 788 in 6mm, loved that rifle! That thing would drive nails every day.

@heraclitus6100 3 года назад

I just found this channel and I really appreciate this content. You are clearly very knowledgeable in this field. Thank you Ron.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 года назад

I appreciate that!

@arcticknight4117 3 года назад

My first rifle was a 6mm Model 77. Love the 6mm. Nothing bad to say about the 243 either, deer slayers. 👍

@sweetdrahthaar7951 3 года назад

For me one of the most important factors is ammunition availability. .243, at least until recently was available almost anywhere.

@MadScientistBBQ 3 года назад

Tremendously informative. Thanks Ron!

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 года назад

Thanks Mad.

@jerryroberts9672 3 года назад

@@RonSpomerOutdoors Hello Ron, I'm not an expert like yourself, But the argument has two sides. Why would a 243 out do a 6mm, 244 because it handles a heavier bullet better. They will all shoot the whole range of bullet weights designed for that caliber, but are you covering your groups with a dime or paper plate. My 244 1/12 twist will shoot very well with a 100gr round nose. The argument is not about bullet weight, but length. Both excellent cartages, but how many rounds did the other experts use to kill a small object with a light bullet 90gr to 55gr at distance? Great misconception.

@jdg5682 3 года назад

@@RonSpomerOutdoors Hey Ron, great video as all the others you've made. Can you give me some advice, what would be your go to bullet for larger animals in 243.win ? I just got a new 243 for my wife, for the low recoil I'm in SA so she'll be shooting everything up untill kudu (at close range)

@retirednobaddays456 3 года назад

@@RonSpomerOutdoors A lot of good information, thanks for the effort. What about the new 6mm ARC? My first impression was just another round from Hornaday so what. After a lot more research I think this may be the best round for the AR15 platform that could turn it into a worth while hunting rifle.

@rogerrasmussen6325 3 года назад

My first rifle was a 5mm Remington, my first deer rifle was a Remington 600 Mohawk chambered in 6mm. Still have the rifle, that rifle and cartridge are special to me.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 года назад

You have a couple of cool ones there, Roger. Congrats.

@andrefelhauer8290 3 года назад

Great video! In my opinion, the 6mm / .24 caliber are absolutely brilliant cartridges! Unfortunately, they are not allowed for large game here in Germany! the largest animal we can shoot with it are roe deer (Capreolus capreolus, about 15kg to 30kg or 33lbs to 65lbs) anything larger than that, we have to use at least 6.5mm and the bullet must have an energy of at least 2000joule at 100m or 1475lb- ft at 110yds Greetings from Germany

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 года назад

Greetings Andre! Hope life is treating you well in Deutschland.

@johnkaraphillis754 3 года назад

Thanks for taking time for a history lesson on 243/6mm. I continue to chuckle when I hear the 243 is a great cartridge for youth/women (it is). But in the hands of a skilled hunter/shooter/handloader, it is a lethal deer cartridge. With a slight change of fate/management/marketing we would be singing the praises of the 244/6mm Remington. I’m not going to complain too much about Remington as they have given me two of my all time favorite cartridges in the 7-08 and the .280. After P.O. redesigned the .280 case, I had a new No. 1. Thanks again Ron for a great video of an important historic subject.

@mikeknowles8017 3 года назад

One of my favorite rifles is a pre 64 Winchester Model 70 Featherweight .243 with an old school El Paso Weaver K6 scope but in my case the scope is on hinged "tip off" mounts because on those older model 70's you have to raise the scope a little bit to clear the bolt handle. There are other solutions like taller scope rings or a bridge mount. I gotta tell ya, this little .243 is a really accurate rifle and handy to carry all day long. One time I hit a golf ball at 130 yards with an off hand standing shot on a bet. I was younger then.

@DanTheMailman330 3 года назад

I still shoot my father's Remington 40x in 6mm he bought in 1970 for groundhogs. He taught me to handload for it back in the late 1980s. That 85 grain Sierra HPBT GameKing is an excellent and accurate all around bullet. Thanks, Dad.

@matthewotis3594 10 месяцев назад

Dad loved Sierra bt sp

@steveharvey6421 3 года назад

Little known fact. The 6mm Rem was used by the Texas sniper in 66. He used a Rem 700 ADL and Leopold 4X scope that is now in a museum in Gatlinburg Tn. 19 people buried. Obviously not a selling point.

@victoroneill7924 3 года назад

I knew that he had used a Rem 700 but had forgotten it was a 6mm Rem. He was a pretty good shot. I had 2 friends who were working outside in the area while he was shooting. One was a lineman for the City of Austin Electric Dept. and the other was a cable splicer for SW Bell. I lived in Austin then but was working in Arkansas.

@steveharvey6421 3 года назад

I must mention the DC crime museum is now in Gatlinburg too much crime in DC I guess.

@danielbretall2236 3 года назад

@BrdManZ a deer is just frankly in much better shape than an average human, with better conditioning. Deer can sprint a half mile or more at top speed after getting shot with a rifle with bad placement. If you asked a human to do the same thing, they would give you a thumbs up and a wry smile, stumble about 5 feet, and go into shock.

@Ron52G 3 года назад

He has a lot more guns up there than just a 6mm Rem.

@Mr257weatherby 2 года назад

I actually run the 85 Interbond at around 2900 to 3000 FPS for deer in 243. Amazing the thought back in the day about bullets. Now people use a 55 PSP for deer in the 223. Shot placement is everything regardless of cartridge.

@randalbigirvirvin1153 3 года назад

Love my Remington 700 in the 6mm. One of the most accurate rifles I own.

@gregcoldewey7724 3 года назад

Same...my REM 700 in 6mm is the most accurate rifle I’ve ever owned or seen.

@drmachinewerke1 3 года назад

788 in 6mm. Bought new in Blair’s Town Missouri. Price in 1979 was 152.00 with scope and a box of ammo.

@brianmorgan9365 3 года назад

Both calibers are awesome!!! 👍👍💪

@carllovendale6259 3 года назад

Hi Ron, Grits Gresham said in the nosler no. 3 that Whiskey Chamberlain took 15 bull elk one shot each with a 243 Winchester." WOW" He got close, but what a testament. If the 6 mm can take Elk look out Whitetail. Another great presentation.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 года назад

Thanks Carl. Yes, I knew a careful hunter who claimed 13 6x6 bulls with as many shots from 243 Win.

@carllovendale6259 3 года назад

It’s a shame that Remington thought it was a varmint round and changed it to late. Accolades for shot placement.

@melchung1566 3 года назад

You are spot on with all I have heard n read about the 244 vs 243. Maybe, on the future you can do a story on the 280 Rem and 7mm Express fiasco. Thanks for video!

@kentuckywindage222 3 года назад

Excellent information! I've been shooting .243 Winchester for over 25 year's and hand loading most of that time. 435 yards is my longest shot on a whitetail with it, (clear shot no brush). From taking rest on a fence post. The deer went maybe 25 yards. I will say at that range I was using a 100 grain bullet. With the right varmint load and practice. It is so fast and simple any varmint within your range is history. I used this method for years because of using cheaper scopes I didn't trust to be tracking true for turret adjustment. Take a scope that holds a true zero and a 1 moa rifle set to MPBR, combined with a decent shooter. It's deadly. Great job! Keep'em coming!

@chuckg9805 3 года назад

Very nice, respectful, non-sales hype and classy ending. Good info on the 243. My favorite gun shop owner said just about the same as you and he can't keep a 6mm Rem on the shelf! The word is out in Washington!

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 года назад

Thanks Chuck.

@kellythaxton6692 2 года назад

My dad bought me a ruger m77 in 243 back In 1983. I still use the same rifle. I have better rifles now but still use it. I think it just reminds me of hunting with my dad rip

@bruceholinight7978 3 года назад

Love and have both , the only reason I lean towards the 243 is because you can do a lot with the cartridge brass , make 308 , 260 , or any 308 based caliber which I also have ! Performance wise a deer would have a hard time deciding which was which , I Ackleyed my 243 and it's a long range monster 90gr V-max=3850 !

@brucemitchell4581 3 года назад

Good video Ron I’ve been shooting a 6mm rem since 1978 love my rifle. It’s a real tack driver ! It just loves them 87 gr BT HP match ! As they are highly responsible for putting literary 1,000s of them wood chucks back to the promise lands. Keep going with your videos I enjoy them all thanks 😊

@Happyhandcannon 3 года назад

I load those 55 grain Nosler ballistic tips for my A-bolt 243. Absolutely devastating on coyotes! Great bullets. Extremely accurate & very fast. 243 is my favorite rifle caliber.

@ralphlivingston762 3 года назад

Actually Ron, there was a made in USA six millimeter cartridge long before 1955. It was the 6mm Lee Navy, developed in the 1890's. This was a straight pull rifle adopted by the U.S. Navy. Winchester then produced a commercial version Rifle which did not really catch on with the shooting public. The 6mm Lee navy was ahead of it's time, probably suffering from the lack of slower burning powders. Interestingly, the 6 mm Lee Navy case was the "father" of the 220 Swift.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 года назад

Right on Ralph. I addressed the Lee Navy later in this video than you must have watched. I'd have covered it sooner by the old brain forgot.

@ralphlivingston762 3 года назад

@@RonSpomerOutdoors I'm sorry Ron. Somehow I missed your later discussion. I almost purchased a straight pull Lee Navy at a gun show this year. If one wants to shoot the old Lee Navy rifle they have to re-form the 220 swift cases back to the original configuration.

@swampbiologist 2 года назад

The 24 calibers are Awesome! I started out with a 243 Win then came upon a 6mm Rem and finally inherited a 243 Rockchucker in a BR rifle as well as a sporting rifle. The BR rifle has a 1/14 twist while the sporting rifle has a 1/12 twist so they shoot lite bullets while the 243 Win and 6mm Rem are Deer Killing machines! I also recently built a couple of AR's and one of them is a 6x45 with an X-Caliber barrel which is a great cartridge for an AR 15 platform, it's a Tack Driver and is Death on Coyotes as well as Javelina!

@johnbennett7244 3 года назад

Friend of mine has a Ruger 77 in 6mm. Cool rifle.

@jontalbert5448 3 года назад

I love my 6mm Remington. My father (long gone) knew his stuff and he got my 6mm in a 788 Remington in my hands back in the early 1980's. I love this sweetheart. AND he said he never saw a bit of difference in his .244 Remington and his 6mm Remington when it came to tight groups in ALL bullet weights. Yes he had both. Gun writers trashed the .244 for no reason and trashed a great .244 round. Both can be shot in either rifle.

@cbsbass4142 2 года назад

If I want to work around the 6 MM availability problem, I'd just re-barrel to a faster twist. My present Savage Model 10 .243 has a 1:9.25 twist stock barrel, but I can go to 8 in a little heavier and 2 inch longer barrel with no wait except shipping. The rifle is already 9-10 pounds with a medium heavy barrel and the scope. Great from the bench...not so much carrying it around :) Fellow at the range had a Ruger #1 in 6 MM REM., so I always liked that cartridge. If I can find brass for what I like (old school), and re-barrel for twist, I wouldn't care so much. Kimber has a nice .257 Roberts option, but there's the factory ammo and brass problem.

@scrider5493 3 года назад

This man is a dictionary of info, very impressive. I view it as needed info for shooting sports.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 года назад

Thanks SC. I don't really know all that much. Many gun nuts out there dwarf me.

@jvalentine8376 Год назад

I will tell you how because I lived through that era . Lying sports writers got paid to push the .243 as some super cartridge and either ignored the 6mm Remington or made it sound inferior . I think the 6mm Remington was a better cartridge due to it's longer neck making it far more suitable to skim neck turning combined with partial neck sizing in a factory chamber . However once the 6mm Rem. ammo dried up at that time a .243W became the next no choice option . I still rate the .243 as a light game / varmint cartridge and prefer something with heavier bullets for medium game but it's still a very useful round when in the hands of a good shot . Shooters did not reject the 6mm Rem they were just conned out of buying it .

@MalachiWhite-tw7hl 8 месяцев назад

I think gun writers of that day had more power to influence sales trends than they do today.

@vernonlarson7016 3 года назад

Thanks Ron. I got a old m77 6mm pre warning that I shot lots of coyotes with and shot the barrel out so made it into a 22-6mm. But then I had to get another 6mm in a model 22 cooper in a 6mm with a 1-8 twist and I shoot 107 nosler Rdf bullets. Really accurate. Love the 6mm. Thanks for the video. Always the best at it. U make the dessert dog look like a rookie. Keep the videos coming.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 года назад

Many thanks Vernon.

@vernonlarson7016 3 года назад

@@RonSpomerOutdoors I'm made a mistake. They are 105 grain RDF bullets from Nosler. I shoot so many different bullets sometimes I cant remember. Lucky I keep a log. Thanks again Ron. Your awsome

@bryanwilliams9810 3 года назад

Ron, Thanks for talking up the 6mm Remington it is definitely a misunderstood cartridge. Got an Remington 722 - 244 in excellent condition . Used a 40X (6mm) for years on groundhogs. Let me tell you, 55 grain Ballistic Tips @ 4150 (verified by chronograph) fps does a number on them.

@wizardofahhhs759 2 месяца назад

I have a Winchester Model 70 Classic Featherweight chambered in .243 win. I bought it new and have taken more deer with it than I can remember. (Lost a few too but we won't talk about that)

@scottg9208 3 года назад

Great video and topic. I grew up with a 270 but a lot after guys around me had 243's. My first varmint rifle back in the late 70's was a 220 Swift, which I still favor 40+ years later. However, 6 months ago I bought a Tikka T3x Superlite in 243 Win to bridge the gap between my 220 Swift and 7mm RUM. I worked up a load using the Barnes 80gr TTSX and I can't wait to use it for mulies, whitetail and pronghorn. Will be a nice coyote gun on windy days here as well. Don't know why it took me 40+ years to add o e to the stable!

@user-pq4by2rq9y 2 года назад

Keep an eye out for the 6mm ARC, it's basically a very efficient 243 for the AR-15 that may take off in the near future.

@charlesperry1051 3 года назад

Both of my sons started their hunting careers with H&R Youth Handi Rifles in .243 many years ago. I later upgraded them to the adult length stock. One still uses his as he has never missed and will not use any other rifle. The other "upgraded" to a 30-30 levergun because he loves lever action rifles. The .243 is a great deer cartridge, and an excellent varmint round.

@matthewotis3594 10 месяцев назад

Dad tried to talk me I tk one for my mood 7 featherweight on my 14th b day, I payed for it, but I just had to have a 308. A 180gr bullet would kick your butt In that thing. Big difference from the 150. Had a semi auto .270 that was a baby doll in comparison. Still love the model 7. Great for crawling through the thick brush. Is short and very light. Now im older I use an dks. Don't get long shots and they ru. Out of scope picture often. Made my $99 chicom sks my go to. Plenty accurate out to 109 meters.

@justinwilson2595 3 года назад

I love your knowledge and history! I play with what are oddball or obscure calibers nowadays. Love the 22 hornet for a lot of things. But for this video I will go a little more main stream and say give me a 25-06 and 7-30 waters any day over the 243 and 6mms for light duty.

@hammer300rum8 3 года назад

I used to use the old 243 for deer with 100gr federal shells and i hated it. I would loose deer because it didnt have enough punch or expansion. Then instarted relaoding and started using berger bullets... and i can tell you right now they shoot soo flat and if you smack a deer its lights out. My wife shot her first muley buck with my 243 with burger bullets at 490 yards and droped him. Most important thing about all cals is the bullet

@bryanoliver5550 3 года назад

Thank you for educating me on .243 win. , I had herd it`s a mild shooter for your shoulder . Very versatile I believe it is .

@davidhalbisen6507 3 года назад

I have a Roger No. 1 in 6mm Rem and it is a phenomenal platform and cartridge.

@bobg.3206 3 года назад

I had a BLR in 243. I was always standing when I shot it. Not too bad on the recoil, but it was loud and the shockwave coming out of that thing was a crack up. I traded it for a 12ga BSS just out of the box. Picked up a Model 94AE 30-30 with the large loop years later and I run a 308 for everything else. Don't miss that 243 a bit.

@thomasrice4078 3 года назад

Amazing range of knowledge and information. Very impressive!

@Clearanceman2 2 года назад

.243 with the right bullets works great on whitetails doesn't tear up meat like some of the bigger calibers. It got a reputation of a starter round for kids but now days with the right bullets it's just a great choice.

@1963ajackson 3 года назад

My grandfather shot a Remington 788 6mm rem. It was the first centerfire rifle I ever shot and ive seen a deer drop at around 400yds with it.

@countryboycansurvive7663 3 года назад

The 788 remington is one of the most accurate rifles remington ever made had one in 243 since I was 13 not the prettiest gun but shoots damn good

@kennethbailey2616 3 года назад

Right on the money. I’m a .243 guy and I have pre-64 M70 that I bequeathed to my oldest grandson. My dad bought it around 59 or 60 and gave it to me a few years later. It’s accounted for a lot of wt and mule deer and antelope, plus a bunch of varmints. BTW, I cut my teeth on Mr Page, Mr O’Conner and Mr Keith.

@codyoslin6594 3 года назад

I got several .243s and a .243 wssm and all of them shoot extremely well with the right ammo. All of them are Browning bolt actions.

@vincegordon6830 3 года назад

Wonderful video Ron! Thank you!

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 года назад

You're welcome, Vince.

@VitoBb1978 3 года назад

Ive really enjoyed shooting and handloading for my Remington Model 770 in 243 Winchester. Ive spent hours at the range with it over the last 15 years, in fact there’s some 85 Gr Sierra’s BTHP on my loading bench even as iam typing this. But if I can get my hands on 6MM Remington i sure wouldn’t pass it up, the 243, 6MM Remington and me we all came out the factory in 1955 . (Wink)

@waynemayle865 3 года назад

I read your article some time ago on 6 mm remmy and 243 win. Love them both .

@mjr2470 3 года назад

I have both the 308 and the 243, and in all honestly I prefer the 243 for accuracy over 200 yards. I shot a medium sized buck I would guess to be 200 or more yard and it liquified the heart. it was jelly. no recoil

@bwri9081 3 года назад

Once again, great info. History and comparison. Thanks for all you put into these videos.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 года назад

Thank you, B Wri.

@richardharrigan6453 Год назад

Howdy Ron, It's Dick from Boise Cabela's store, but now retired. You forgot to add for the downfall of the .244 Remington, that gun and hunting writers of the popular magazines of the day, jumped into the controversy. And when they did it was as if God gave the 11th Commandment, "Though shall not shoot the .244 Remington for the 100 grain bullet will not stabilize in the 1-12 inch twist barrel". And to add to the downfall, most gun shop dealers and their personnel, echoed the commandment! I've been a huge fan of the 6mm Remington since I bought my first in 1976. A Remington Model 700 Varmint Special. Right out of the box the rifle shot 1" to 1 1/4" groups with factory ammo. With carefully crafted handloads it grouped five shots into 1/4" to 1/2" at 100 yards. I'm also a huge fan of the .243 Winchester. Both are great cartridges! Well, take care and keep making videos as I enjoy each one!

@1ohtaf1 Год назад

Another factor that probably played into Remington's reluctance to offer heavier bullets is the .244's limitation on the height you can seat a bullet in its case before running into OAL issues.

@stevem895 3 года назад

Thanks you so much for the history lesson

@codypendant6745 3 года назад

As I recall, the .244 Rem., 257 Bob, and all the Mauser babies are too long to fit in a short action rifle that the .308 (7.62x51 NATO) and it's babies do. Couple that with having the identical case as the popular Military cartridge, the .243 used the same magazines and was deemed more practical. Having said that, I feel that even though Winchester was giving the .243 a bit heavier bullet capability than the .244, unless you want to load your own and single feed each bullet, it is severely limited in bullet size by cartridge overall length constraints. Enter the Creedmoor. Case designed short to properly seat long, heavy bullets in the same mags. Better? Depends on what is needed. Certainly not the best squirrel cartridge. All cartridge/bullets are a compromise in some form or other. Some have greater range of function than others, but the closest we can get to the 'magic bullet' is to custom load up our own to do what we need them to do. So that .243 loaded light with small bullets isn't too overkill on small varmints, but can be loaded heavy for deer. Pretty sweet cartridge in my book.

@jerryreynolds8151 3 года назад

Both are fantastic rounds!!! Loads of fun too.

@clarestucki5151 3 года назад

My very first rifle (early 1960's) was a Rem mod 725 chambered for the .243 Win. I fell victim to Winchester's bullshit about it being the best 'all-round' caliber. I actually made a clean kill on my first huge 6pt bull elk, but I realized that a 100 gr bullet really isn't adequate for game larger than deer. I eventually had it re-barreled for .260 Rem and gave it to my oldest grandson. Finished off my big-game hunting with a Win mod 70 chambered for the 7mm Rem Mag. Nobody should hunt elk with the .243 Win.

@tlloyd9325 2 года назад

The older I get the more I love my Tikka 243. I handload 85gr bullets to 3300fps and with good premium bullets I wouldn’t hesitate to take a 400yd shot at a whitetail. The light recoil is such a joy to shoot. It’s my “make sure it’s with me” whenever I go to hunt most anything. It’s never failed me.

@GeezerWheels 3 года назад

Another great vid, Ron! I love the .243 / my Savage 110 shoots inside an inch at 200 yards (yes 200) with Sierra 85 gr boat tails after I bedded it and floated the barrel. True .243 story: I have a very dear friend who is a song leader in the church where I preach here in SW Colorado. He runs cattle here and also runs sheep in the high country in the summer. A black bear was killing sheep and his shepherds were having trouble finding it. He rode his horse to the sheep lease (well above timberline) and slept in his bed roll / no tent. At first light he as awakened by a very foul stench - it was bear breath - the bear was sniffing his face just inches from his nose. Being shocked and startled he literally punched it in the nose with his fist! The bear jumped back and stood up. My friend pulled his .243 out of the bedroll (he slept with in beside him) and shot the bear, which hollered loudly and ran. He saddled his horse to ride out and look for it. He found it nearby, dead from one shot. He had to point shoot at a few feet as it was mostly dark and his scope would be useless, but the .243 worked great. I'm not sure what load he used, but it was factory ammo. Thanks again for an excellent presentation. You are an excellent and knowledgeable teacher! -Ray, near Durango, CO

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 года назад

Thanks Ray. I believe you're story because a campmate of mine in MN Boundary Waters canoe area awoke to the same stench from the same source. Black bear breathing right in his face.

@MrRufusjax 3 года назад

Always amazed at your knowledge Mr. Spomer. I love the cartridge history stuff. I could listen to you all day.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 года назад

Aw, thanks man.

@michaelrevell6463 3 года назад

My dad purchased a Remington .244 which later turned into 6mm. And he loved it hunted deer no problem with it.

@__Justin__. 9 месяцев назад

Great video!

@rudysroots2789 3 года назад

You are the best. My Dad has been telling me for 30+ years the 6mm Is better then the .243. In the 80s they use to to shoot 5 shot group’s smallest group wins the pot. So they were building gun’s.

@gizmocarr3093 3 года назад

That was a great comparison of two cartridges when the better performing one lost over a lesser one. Remington has been the last to the dinner bell more times than just this one. Although they likely sold as many or a lot more rifles than Winchester did. Remington Core-Lokt bullets made Remington ammunition real popular. Model 70 actions cost more to make; and the 700 action cost less; they won that battle. But, the model 70 action is a better rifle action in many people’s opinions. I wonder what the future holds for both Remington and Winchester. It will be a sad day when these two names disappear like so many others have.

@dumpsterchicken6287 3 года назад

Great video! 243 fan here.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 года назад

Thanks for the sub!

@victoroneill7924 3 года назад

I have a Win .243 Savage youth model and a Weatherby Vanguard. I use 90 gr NAB's in the Savage and either 95gr NBT's or 100 NP's in the Vanguard (my favorite deer rifle now). All the deer killed with either one so far were bang/flops out to 300 yards (longest shot).

@barneywaggles 3 года назад

Ron...you did a GREAT Job On this one! I had a Page Super Pooper...I love the 6mm Rem!

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 года назад

Thanks David.

@MrPh30 3 года назад

6x57 was a experimental German cartridge also with the new Schlegelmilch rifle in the competion to what would be new service rifle in 1896. Mauser won, Schlegelkilch rifles was given to Kaiser and his friends. The 20ish rifles was well liked for hunting. Kaiser liked the 6mm with 115 grain ammo good, also for red deer size game too it was used for.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 года назад

Interesting stuff!

@tbjtbj4786 3 года назад

I like the 6mm so much I tryed to order a new one from. Zastava arms with the full stock. They don't have any and said until this rush on guns and ammo over they want be making hunting rifles. I hope it slows down. I want the new 6mm.

@mikecampell 3 месяца назад

had a Remington 7oo Varmint Special in 6mm Rem that I sold to buy all my reloading equipment back in the early 80s. I will have another 6mm rem.

@chloehennessey6813 3 года назад

I go to the LRSU One Mile Challenge with my .243 Winchester. My rifle is a Marlin stainless with a Vortex Viper PST II. Also have a Ruger in 7mm Magnum ❤️❤️🦋💋

@rpk5250 3 года назад

That’s cool. Do you use factory or hand loads for those?

@kweeks10045 Год назад

I have several .243's that the kids use. They've taken numerous deer and never had one run off. These days the boys tend to use a 7mm-08 or 30-06 for hunting. I've only had one instance where the .243 worked, but barely. I shot a 250lb boar while hunting in South Texas. I hit it right on the spine above the shoulders at 100yds using a 90gr Speer Hot-Cor. The bullet penetrated the hide and blew up under the skin. It never even went through the fat. However, the nervous system shock knocked him down. Luckily, my knife finished him before he woke up, but I was really surprised when I cleaned him. Granted, a Barnes or Nosler Partition probably would have been a different situation. But, it was an eye opener.

@chuckminick9511 2 года назад

I'm loving my 243 Stevens model 200 with a rifle basix trigger , it's shoots fantastic with 100 grain of any brand it's 9.25 twist .

@repairfreak 3 года назад

Thanks for another real cool video Ron. I just recently picked up a .243 Win rifle, how frustrating it is that I cant even find one box of ammo to sight it in with for under $50 online. I’m not going to pay such a ridiculous price, yes maybe $25 a box if I can ever find a box at local sporting goods. I would consider getting into reloading, but then can’t locate primers! Very frustrating to say the least to have a new gun you can’t even shoot targets with! 🥲 Keep up the great work on your channel my friend.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 года назад

Thanks Mike. Sorry about those ammo issues. Good lesson for everyone to keep on hand a reasonable supply and or stock up on reloading supplies.

@mikejames9931 3 года назад

Great Video and very informative on the comparison.For the past few years the guys on the Hunting Shows on the Outdoor Channel have been using that 6.5 Creedmore.Wow that round anchors almost everyone shot on the Spot if placed properly.And I am sure many are for advertising but it really works.If that is about what I can expect from a 243 that is very similar should be awesome to deer hunt with.I have used about everything except that and might have to give it a try.Thanks again.

@louiskiser9989 5 месяцев назад

243 has always been labeled as under gunning for big game,but in the hands of a good shooter,it is very adequate

@adrianbenson2521 3 года назад

Picked .243 as my deer rifle when I was a kid, even though one of my favorite gun writers, John Wooters was pretty much dead set against it as a deer cartridge.

@countryboycansurvive7663 3 года назад

Iv taken a pile of deer with my 243 i don't care what anyone says about a 243 if you know how to shoot ull fill your freezer every year

@ryanehlis426 3 года назад

The 244/6mm a good choice for hand loaders, one in 8 twist best for available bullets today.

@natescott8632 3 года назад

Love your videos keep them coming!! Whenever I go buy a new gun I always go to your videos, definitely helps on choosing a good rifle!!

@Democrats-Are-Idiots Год назад

Simple answer. Twist rate. Remington comes up with a great cartridge then their marketing procedes to kill it.

@tomballard8877 3 года назад

Have a 243 in a rem. 700 .Shoots a 55gr. bullet really nice,dime size groups at 100 yard.But when I go up in weight the groups get bigger.80 gr is the heaviest I can go ,2 1/2 “ group at 100 yards.

@DKWalser 3 года назад

One of the overwhelming advantages of the .243 Winchester is ammunition availability. With the 6mm Rem, you would all-but be forced to hand load. Hand loading is fun, but I wouldn't want to depend on that for supplying my shooting needs.

@The-adventures-we-take 3 года назад

I just went from a 7mm rem mag to 243 rem and it has the same capability (on fallow) but a lot less kick, thanks for the great video keep up the good work

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 года назад

Welcome

@rpk5250 3 года назад

Another great video Ron. Lot’s of fun to watch and I always make sure I have time blocked out to watch it. This video sort of reminds me of yet another example of how lousy twist rates can become the death or degradation of perfectly good chamberings by a companies mistake.

@jeffreyhall2136 3 года назад

Great video. I'm a 6mm fan. Actually I have a .257 Roberts

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 года назад

Thanks. You keep enjoying that Roberts. And when you don't anymore, send it to me.

@williamsoutherland9087 3 года назад

Simple: A 1:10 twist rate. If 6mm Rem had that, we would all have a Remington 788 in 6mm Rem either in our safes or on our wish lists.

@williamsoutherland9087 3 года назад

(By the way, I’m looking for a Remington 788 in 6mm Remington if you know anyone...)

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 года назад

Keep looking. You might find the one I sold back in 1976.

@dwightlooi 3 года назад

You are missing the whole point. Cartridges are not better or more popular because they push a particular diameter bullet a little faster. They are better because they are available in the guns people want to buy. And, today, that means the semi-automatic rifle. The 6.5CM is the best long range cartridge because it is short enough that you can get it in the AR10/LR308/SR25 platform. The fact that it is also very accurate because of the short powder column is icing on the cake.