Your pushing it with any cartrige that pushes a bullet faster than 2900,fps, 22/250, 220 swift, pushes it to the max, the bullet it self can not with stand the cyntifical forces and pull apart at above a certain g factor,, in v see. It, bullets exploding 59 yards down range from cyntifical forces,, there is a limit to things people, pushi g bullets as fast as you can is t always the best thing,
@marktemplin1159 That's a crock of buffalo chips. Weatherby mags wouldn't exist if that was a hard and fast rule. The equation for bullet RPM (your CENTRIFUGAL force) is (velocity x 720)/ twist rate. I've shot a pretty fair number of 75gr and 87gr VMAX from a 26" 1-8 twist at well over 3000fps and they poked holes in the target just fine.
It's one in 7, and tighter one has to watch it,, I'm goi.g from what I saw 1st hand at the range, from dudes pushi g the envelope, IV seen bullets go pop 50/60 yards down range cuz they are just to hot of a load,, if also seen the bang bang pop baang?, Fuck, squib,, found bullets stuck together because they where light target loads, not enough to blow the gun up, but enough to, push the stuck bullet out with next round, a d yep, about 25 feet out, there it is on the ground, now that's revolvers on bullseye range, not PPC, rifles are 🤔each to thier own,,, and combination of powder, primer, bullet , rifle , a d twist of the barrel all come into effect, my Winchester, 70, 22/250, yeah now that's a tack driver, at distance, hand loads, 55 grain, my Remington 788, 243, is nasty at out to 250, can drive primers out of spent brass at 75 yards,,, but Jack up them loads to hot, and yeah it's flater ,but there is. A thing of being to hot, for any given cartridge
Also I was using the 3000 fps as the yeah any faster and your pushing it,,, I have 22/250 cracks out at 3200 avarage, but any faster and idk, I sold my 220 swift, not that sucker ,, yeah wow,,, but some of its in the powder,,, slow burn fast burn, is the bullet pushed or sledge hammered from the propellant🤔 my 243 deer round is 42, grow s of 42,1/2 grains of 4350, with a rem.primer mag primer, and a Hornady, 70 grain btsp, it hits like a brick
Savage has been making the 243 with 1:9 1/4 twist for decades. Shoots 70 to 105 grain with no problem. Sweet spot seems to be 80 to 85 grains in mine. It is over 30 years old now and still holds 1/2 moa with handloads. Granted I haven't shot 10000 rounds through it. If I do wear it out, I'll just do a barrel set back and rechamber. The rifling is fine. It's the throat that takes the beating on this caliber.
I have a 243,6.5 and a 308. I like to swap between my 6.5 and 243 during hunting season. I rarely touch my .308 I just bought it bc it was on sale😂 got my first deer with a single shot .243 it was my dads buddys rifle that my dad bought him bc he was paralyzed and didn’t want too much horsepower since he was in a wheelchair. My dad took him on a high fence hunt and the 12 pointer he smoked is still mounted in my parents living room
The 243 has always been my go to gun for deer, axis, hogs to auodad. It just flat out works. Use the right ammo for the game your hunting and put into the kill zone and it will put the meat in the freezer. Of all the game I have shot with the 243 I'd say 80% rolled up their landing gear and went straight down. A few of my hunting buddies have purchased 243's after seeing the effectiveness of it. I love the 243. When I pull the trigger, I know it will do the job. Keep up the videos. I enjoy them all.
You can hunt anything with it from varmints up to whitetail deer I even know a lot of guys who are excellent shots at have taken elk and even bear with them. While not optimal I'm guessing there's even been more than a few moose killed with one.
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Great video .243 my favorite round -my dad had a Winchester mod 70 over 50 yrs later and with a new barrel it’s now mine and still a tack driver 👍👍👍👍👍👍
.243 is highly popular here in the UK on roe deers and boars, even in Scotland with big red deers (European deer, much larger than white-tailed deers) ! Even though we've git 6.5 creedmoor, .308, 30-06, 300Win Mag, 7mm08... most hunters still sticks to the .243 : low recoil, flat trajectory, excellent accuracy, and efficient energy !
The deer there can't be bigger than an elk here in the states and I have seen people harvest elk with 243. You guys have a pretty ideal cartridge in the 243 for your locality.
243 is legendary around the Texas hunting community. People I know would swear to its abilities, for all the same reasons that you touched on. Its here to stay and it deserves to be. If I had one choice of rifle it would be one in the 243 cartridge. Thanks Kyle!
@@fnsniperr I would expect it to. It's a very easy round to place extremely well. And if you can say that, then you can say it will kill anything. And it will.
Not withstanding getting into cartridge pissing matches, I personally think it's accurate, low recoiling, highly available, easy to reload which drives cost down, and it spares meat if your round ventures a bit off-course. I have six women in my household and they all love this cartridge because it is very mild on kick and I like it most because I can reload it very inexpensively so they can get even more practice in and have a little fun along the way. There's absolutely zero wrong with 308. Hell, it's among the three most prolific rounds ever designed! Shoot it Josh and like it as you do! It's great. My favorite is actually my ultralight 270. I pack light and stay on the move because that's my style but I fully know I can pick up any of these rifle cartridges and kill any deer I see in a good range so they are all good in my book.
Big .243 fan here. I've hunted with the cartridge regularly most of my 52 years. It was the round of choice when my sons got old enough to hunt. I bought both 700's in .243. About three years ago I got a wild hair and decided to build an AR-10 in .243. Everyone on the planet has an AR-10 in .308 or 6.5 CM, but you hardly ever see .243. Honestly, I had never seen one in the wild. So far, I have around 500 rounds through it. Other than the teething issues after the new build was complete, I haven't had any feeding or ejection problems. I've taken whitetail and several hogs with it. Fun one to watch.
@@SocialRegressive I'm anywhere between 2.5 to .5ish MOA with different standard hunting ammo. Not like there's many other options. LOL! The best groups I seem to be getting with 90 grain and up ammo. Lighter varmint rounds, like Nosler Varmageddon 243 Winchester 55gr and Superformance Varmint 243 Winchester 75gr give me pretty good groups but at range start to deviate pretty badly at around 300m+ out of my setup. Granted I live in North Las Vegas, and the desert winds were full value. Just the same it was more than I was liking. Federal Power Shock 100gr JSP and believe it or not cheap Winchester Super-X 100gr Power Point seems to give me the best groups out to 600+. If you're thinking about it just do it. I love mine I think you will to.
I’d love to see 7mm-08 added to your ballistics chart. The 162gr eldx has the same bc as the 143 eldx in 6.5 and you should get similar muzzle velocities. Should be almost identical trajectories with more energy the whole way
I have a 7mm08 I shoot 162's out of but speeds are slower than my 143 gr 6.5. But I have only uses varget inches 7mm08. What are you using to get the speed
Love that 162g in my 7mag @ 3k. Its a awesome setup! My 7/08 excels with the Hornady 139g thru and tbru on over a doz deer thru the years. Never a "complaint". Another ol favorite is the 154 RN bullet! A uncle of mine shot that in his 7Mauser for decades. He hunted across the country shooting Bears, Caribou, all three deer species and even a Shiras Moose! No one ever told him RN was for close shots...
I really like the 243! Besides the whitetails I have bagged, a big axis made the mistake at 200 yds of coming out of the cedar and mesquite and I poked it thru the rib cage with a 100 gr. Power point. It hit the ground, didn't even kick! To my astonishment, it went plumb through, not bad for the 243!
You just can't beat the 243, especially if your shots are 400 yards or closer my top 5 would be the 45/ 70, 7 mm08, 6.5 x55 Swede, the 243 will probably live forever just like a 45/ 70, it is very versatile on what bullets you can load in it and what powders you can use in it
Well I have the 6.5x55 and im getting a 22-250 for 300 m low wind varmint shots. (6.5x55 is my wind rifle) If I didnt have sooo many 22 bullets. I would pick the 243 win.
I've always liked the 243. Shooting 100 grain sp federal powershok is what my rifle seems to like the most. It will fling the light varmint loads all over so I stay away from those, but I still use the 100 grain loads on coyotes and deer and I end up with dead game. The 243 is a bit much on smaller animals than coyotes though, it tends to blow them apart, lol
Damn, that's what happened to me. At first I thought the barrel was already burnt out. I have a Remington 788. I bought 3 different weights. 75gr, 80gr and 100gr. I tried to zero the 75gr and 80gr. It threw it all over the place. Lastly I zeroed with the 100gr. lol I should have not spent money on the other bullet weight.
When I was a kid maybe 10, 54 now, I watched my dad drop a deer at around 300 yards, first time pulling the trigger on the 243 with open sights. He was used to a 30-06 so his first shot was high, but the second shot you could hear it smack the deer.
The 6.5CM is a good cartridge, but it falls right amongst cartridges that have been around for quite some time and perform as well or better. Seems like an unnecessary round to me. The 6.5CM is just a good marketing more than anything. And 6.5 is hard to find, 243 can be found easily
30 to 40 years ago, the .243 was thought of as a youth or women's rifle. It is good to see the .243Win is being seen as a serious all around cartridge. I think my next rifle will be a 25-06, I have a lot of once fired 30-06 and .270 Win brass I can resize.
Very well done video. One of my all time favorite rounds. The little .243 and the 7mm-08 are hard rounds to beat for a whitetail hunter. I have both and have trouble deciding which one to carry most of the time. I know this is a 243 video I just had to mention another of the wildcats from the 308 round.
Another thing about 243win is it works well with tons of different powders. Pretty much anything in the medium burn rate will work. Even some of the med-slow stuff like 4350 and 4831.
I'm going to try to build a 6x45 mm which hopefully gets me some of the pros of 243 while still being able to use all my 223 brass I have laying around
Awesome video.! 100gr sierra spbt behind IMR4064 has taken a lot of Missouri deer. And your right, the fun factor is there. Sure my 30.06 is fun, but not fun all day like the .243. I would rather end my day with a smile.
I have a 243 and 7mm-08 best part just buy 308 brass and resize. I have a 6mm creed as well and I like it a lot but honestly if when someone asks me what I would rather have its the 243. But I also dont shoot 1000 yards.
Would have been fun to see 7mm-08 in this group comparison since 308, 7mm-08, and 243 all have the same case. Still an awesome video! Thanks for all the info!
Thank you for the excellent video and overview of this still relevant and excellent cartridge. As SR stated, it is a perfect "first rifle" for teens and smaller folks. When my son was 10 (7 years ago!) I found a then new Ruger Hawkeye with an 18" barrel - a model sadly they no longer make - in matte stainless and walnut stocked. Two years ago he one shot dropped a jogging javelina at about 100 yards with it. Laser flat and pleasant to shoot. Now I've got to get him a nice Coues whitetail.
.243W and 22-250R are the top all round calibres here in Australia and have been for a long time. Lot of flavours of the month come along but don,t seem to offer much more than these two. Good show thanks, BTW shooting eggs at 300yds. No big deal here with our Emu eggs. Cheers from Australia.
🤣 That's why I had to specify "chicken" eggs during the competition. 'Course, you Aussies could probably shoot pigeon eggs at that distance. Mark and Sam AfterWork can kick my butt all over both continents.
@@SocialRegressive Ha ha. I am a great fan of Mark and Sam and glad you know of them. Btw one reason those two rounds are popular is they are available everywhere here. In "Outback" Ozz "You want a what? Never heard of that one". Cheers
@Average GIJoe Outdoors YUP HEAT KILLS barrels. That and POWDER CAPACITY. Any caliber well most calibers can "eat" barrels. If you cannot hold your hand on that barrel, ITS TOO HOT!!!! The 243 isnt known as a barrel eater. Folks like to blame anything but there selves. Yup, 1500 rounds is laughable. MIGHT MIGHT see a slight degradation in accuracy TO A BENCH REST SHOOTER!! The average HUNTER will have PLENTY of barrel life approaching TEN TIMES that amount!! Shooting few shots a year to test then few more hunting.
Many of my friends growing up started out with .243 on cow elk. We used them for prairie dogs, coyotes, deer,antelope I know a couple of guys that have taken black bear with it. Very popular in my neck of the woods. I have to say though the 6mm creed is a better round overall.
I'm a massive fan of the 243win it's a massively underrated cartridge. I'm actually going build a 243ai just because I want to see what it will do but I'll never stray to far from the original Pope cartridge 243win. Keep up the good work champion
Got my son a ROSSI wizard 243 win For Antelopes and Deer he likes it He's 28 year's old and re finished the wood stock and polished out the blue. Wow 😳 looks so good.
Great video and really helpful. I am trying to decide between 243, 6.6C and 308 right now. You have helped me make my mind up for a light rifle like the Sako Carbonlight the 243 is going to be best.
Getting ready to dump some change on a CVA scout was aiming towards a 350 Legend chambering but with some further online studies I'm chosing the 243 Win instead for many reasons thanks for the helpful video 👍
My first dear rifle 40 years ago Rem 700 .243. Best cartridge for me in PA. Groundhogs and Whitetail. Found out just how gd it was out to 800yds at local Groundhog matches. Steven's 200 in .243 ,after few mods and practice, had impressive 5 shot gaps with 95gr SMK'S @3100 fps. For Groundhogs I used the 70gr SMK'S @3475 fps. The 25-06 gets the same respect as the .243 in regards to twist rates. It's like a Hemi with a 2 barrel carb.
7mm superiority. This is the hill I choose to die on. 6s are just good enough to be dangerous. I would think a 243/6creed with a midweight copper solid might put a whole lot of hurt on body armor though. I'm just here to stir crap.
One of many reasons why I too love this cartridge is because you can find bullets anywhere! there isn't a gun shop in North America that doesn't carry the 243 everyone carries it. If you're into reloading this cartridge is insane I have smoked big deer at 300 yards, in one end out the other and it is as fast as switching a light switch most don't even take a step I've been reloading this cartridge for about 30yrs and I absolutely love it I have many other rifles that I also reload for but I reload and shoot the 243 the most.
Bagged my first fallow yesterday with my first gun. 243. 100 grain Winchester super X . At 40 big learning curve to do it all by myself but I succeeded 🎉
Got my son a ruger american youth model when he was 10.he is 14 now and has taken 3 deer with it from 20yds to just over 100yds,2 dropped where they stood and the other made it 30yds or so.the rifle is a tack driver with 95gr fed fusion and I am more than happy with the rifle and the load.
This was really great, thanks for your opinions. I made a decision about 16 years ago to choose 6mm Remington for a Mauser build - I probably should have stuck with a long action cartridge.
@The Social Regressive I still favor the 6 ARC. I get the 6BR fanboys going when I prove it outperforms the 6BR in all aspects including the availability in ammo and reload ability. Using a Dillon 750 setup with CFE223 will pump out precision sub 1/2 MOA ammo as fast as you can pull the handle. Pushing 105gr Bergers at 2950 FPS. I have over 8,500 rounds down pipe
I’m 71 years old. For the past 20+ years lived in Alaska. Have a few big bored cannon s for big game. Now I’m living in Maine all my big bore s have become safe queens. My to go gun is now my 243 Winchester.
@@SocialRegressive white tail deer, coyotes, and pasture poodles. (Ground hogs) I’m going to use it for turkeys (head shots) this spring. Now the difference between hunting with it and killing game with it. This past season I struck out. No deer , but the good thing I saved on ammo.
I so I have to ask... why no 7mm08 using 120 and 139/140 gr bullets in this test? It's based on the 308 cartridge too and matches (in some cases beats) the 6.5 Creedmoore. Great little round with a nice mid-point in the 308 cartridge group. Al the ammo manufacturer needed to do was apply the right .284 diameter bullets to the 7mm08 and maybe change the twist rate to something nearer to 8.5". Great round for deer, antelope, elk and even moose.
My personal opinion , it’s easily one of the top ten cartridges ever developed. I’ve owned three. Model 70 featherweight , Savage model 110 , currently a Browning Bar MK 3 Stalker . From woodchucks , coyotes and deer . The cartridge does its job , if you do your part, at typical ranges . Just sayin . Great video , informative.!!!
If you are a reloader of .243 you can tone it down enough for a squirrel and still eat, or beef it up enough for elk with a well placed shot. Only real downside is .243 is known for being a barrel burner, so I have a few at home already and a couple more on layaway. Bonus that my daughter loves the cartridge as much as I do.
Excellent Video. The .243 is a very versatile cartridge, and this may be its greatest downfall. Basically what I'm implying is the .243 with the correct bullet can be used for game the size of groundhogs up to the size of deer. However, you dont wish to hunt deer with a bullet designed for varmint sized game. More times than not, when I hear stories regarding a .243 not performing well on deer I find it was due to the bullet and not the cartridge which caused the failure. IMO fear of gaining a similar reputation is probably the reason the designers of the 6mm Creedmoor have refrained from using bullets not suitable for medium sized game.
Try to get your hands on OSA,buffalo river ,Australian outback ammo it's all the same brand I've tried there 87g and 70g hollow point with boat tail it is by far the best .243 ammo I've used You won't be disappointed 👌
Super Video! Well done! Just got a Tikka TX3 with a 1 in 8 twist! Best choice, shoots like a charm. Thank you for your Table with the ballistics, helps a lot. A lot of critters here in Namibia for a 243 to take care off! Greetings from Africa!
I have both, 243win..and a 6mm Rem I have always had better results from the 6mm Rem..It could be because the 6mm is a Tikka M55..and the 243 is just a 110m Savage,,
The 243 is a wonderful iconic cartridge, but it doesn’t in anyway perform better than a 6mm Creedmoor. I have one for historic memories, rarely shooting it. I can’t understand why anyone would purchase a 243 over a 6mm Creedmoor.
@@SocialRegressive I use my 6mm Creedmoor for long range shooting; 600, 1000 and 1200 yards at two different ranges. I shoot every week weather depending. It is an unbelievable accurate cartridge, shooting the 107 Sierra HPBT bullets. My only complaint is the need to rebarrel after 1200 rounds. My comparable 243 shoots fine at 600 yards, but struggles at 1000 no matter the ammo used. I do enjoy your videos and almost always agree with your perspectives, but in this case one should purchase 6mm CM over the 243.
@J W All depends on how/what youre using it for. The ballistics I've seen say the 243 is a more accurate shooter 400 to 500 yards in. 6.5 no doubt on anything further.
This kind of info is great. And I appreciate the time and effort you put into this to help people like me understand. I bought a CVA Scout in .243, I was looking for a 6.5 Creedmoor but couldn’t find one for a price I was happy with. I don’t hunt but I enjoy shooting fun rounds out of cool guns. Thanks for this info!
243 in my old rem 788 is literally a tack driver at 50 yards, 100 yards is 5 in a dime, now ibaslo have a post ,64 win 70 in 22/250,, and yeah that's a good varmit rifle, out to 300 yards is head shot easy,,
If you love the 243 W. then you should love the 6mm Remington too.If its if not exactly the same its because it is just a little bit better. And I have one in left hand bolt which suits me just fine. And if you reload its has no negatives over the 243 but either one is just fine.
6mm rem should be noticeably faster. Twist rate is the typical problem. How does your rifle like those 110-grain bullets? I've wanted to try it just for the heck of it.
@@SocialRegressive the 110grain bullets seam to work just fine longest distance I can shoot right now is 66 yards, and I need to get a new gun that I can have chambered in 6 mm rem I'm thinking 1:8 twist
I shot a 243 with a wood stock and metal butt pad. Still kicks less than an AR-308. The round is awesome. You could have two 243s, one for lighter bullets and one for heavier bullets. Same brass and powders. It’s all you need for Deer, hogs, rams, basically most game in North America.
I shoot a tikka 243 with Swarovski z6i, theres good n bad with the calibre but I suppose that’s the same with every bullet, with the transition to copper ammo and therefore a lighter bullet the maximum weight has been reduced and therefore supposedly less stoping power which doesn’t help with big sika in Scotland so that’s a negative, I’ve heard of the theory that the 243 causes more meat damage due to the high speed it travels through the animal but on the plus side the price of ammo is low, hardly any recoil and it’s so flat shooting, I’ve been considering buying a 308 for the sika but I’m unsure weather it’s better or not
.243 or .244 cal. bullets are some of the best, they have to be because a bullet leaving the barrel of a 9 to 1 twist is turning somewhere around 120,000 rpm's. It takes a good bullet to withstand the force. I have used an 85 grain bullet from a 6mm to harvest a coyote at 614 yards. With a simple 3x9 scope I feel that is a pretty good when the crosshair blots out the coyote. For large game I have found the 6mm bullet at high velocity can cause much capillary damage to meat rendering it unfit to eat. My 6mm really comes into it's own at 300 to 350 yards. I have loaded and hunted with a 6mm Remington all my life.
For decades I avoided any 6mm rifle because I considered them to be too puny and weak for hunting. Then one day a friend casually mentioned to me that my Ruger .243 is a 6mm. I've never felt so violated.
.243 is absolutely not a puny cartridge, I took a deer down in its tracks with mine. Sure, it's not the best long-range cartridge, but it still retains a lot of energy enough to take down medium-sized game.
@@SocialRegressive I have high hopes. Had a few 243's always wanted a 6 mm Rem. Probably just shoulda saved $$ & just bought a 6mm Creed. But its not the preformance I want its just the Caliber. But as I hunt first, I opted for better twist for long bullets available now. Plus I have a few hundred ol Speer 105's.
@@cw2a I’ve had great performance out of the Speer 105’s on deer out of my old Savage .243. There is no logical reason for it to shoot them well since that barrel is about shot out, but it still flings them minute of white tail which is adequate for the ranges we hunt. I’ve always felt that bullet makes a better deer cartridge out of the .243 but have to admit that the success I’ve had with it prejudices my opinion. I’ve also had great results with it out of my 6mm Remington. I propel the 105’s out of both cartridges with a stiff load of IMR-7828.
@@davidzakrzewicz707 Thanks for that Dave! My more limited experience with the bullet mirrors yours. (Two 243's) I was first drawn to the RN hunting Upstate NY when its THICK abd shots are close RN profiles always seemed more attractive to me. (Of coarse now I know and understand there is no appreciable diff in ballistic preformance till you shoot past 200 yards or so) I have received my barrel and worked up loads. (I have a couple videos on my channel) its broken 3100fps and shot 1/3"( .345" groups) I am quite happy!
marginal round for big game. small dia.not the best for following a blood trail and only fair mushrooming, besides who feels any recoil or lack of while pulling trigger on a big game target? with a jacket on besides .
SR, I had a 257 Bob built with a 3 inch COaL. With the 100 grn Swift Scirocco (.429 G1) at 3200 fps and a 131 grn BlackJack (.330 G7) at 2800 fps a get the same flat trajectory out to 300 yards. With that 131 BlackJack I feel very confident taking a 350 yard shot at Elk and know it will humanely drop it. Brux barrel 1:7.
@@SocialRegressive Not wonderful but doable. That BlackJack 131 is from a pretty small company but dang are they sweet! Graf & Sons also has a pretty wide selection.
That's a common problem. Most 243 rifles have a 1:10" or 1:9.25" twist, and they're pretty well stuck at 100 grains. You might try Hornady 90- grain ELDX. They might be short enough to stabilize.
The problem with .243 is that once you get to the heavier grains it's the same or slower than most 6.5, 7mm and 30 calibre bullets at much heavier bullet weights with higher BC. It's still one of the best small to medium game guns. 243 is my go-to gun if I'm shooting wolf or coyote. If you're looking for 1 gun that can do it all, I would probably go 7mm mag or 30-06. Hornady has some new 30-06 150 grain at over 3000 FPS. That puts it very close to 7mm rem mag performance but with more grain versatility.
