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I find this hard to believe seeing as he never once grips the wand while using that hook in any way. Anytime he uses the wand he holds it with his fingers outstretched barely even holding it.
Voldy's wand game: I've always assumed he holds it like that on purpose, because he's trying to project that he barely needs the wand because his magic is so powerful. It's like he's saying, "Oh, I guess I'll use this thing if I HAVE to, though I'm pretty amazing on my own... I'll barely hold on to it because I only barely need it!"
Maybe he just wants to be different, but it could be just a film choice. The actor specifically asked for the hook, partly to make it look scarier and partly so he could hold it this way. And honestly I find the way he holds it and gestures with it to be kind of creepy, like it's abnormal. And that of course is a really powerful cinematic tool, you set the stage and tell a lot about a character without having to say anything
I don't think it would be that in character for him to hold it so loosely in the books, because it was one of the few things he _really_ loved and he valued it very highly.
You can actually see this in the dual in the ministry. Voldemort essentially uses the wand as the channel, but you can see his body is being used as the main conduit for power rather than the stick.
I don't think it have to be 13 years. Peter pettigrew could have found the wand right after the attack on the potters, and before he "exploded" by the hand of Serius. He would have hidden it then, and received it 13 years later.
I was thinking the same thing. I mean he could have gone back for the wand afraid someone else would find it first just in case someone used the revreas spell reveal thing and reveal his incrimination. not saying that would work but if he was afraid someone could or would reveal his involvement by having the want he most certainly would have it. second he could have gone back for it out of protection, ether to scare people away by having it. or by proxy of so long as he has it voldimort can't use it agenst him if he's still alive, and if necessary a bargening chip if voldimort wasn't killed just injured. heck the whole reason why wormy might have gone back could have been to see if vold-a-bor was still alive at all, and ether help or kill him himself to ether avoid the ministry's wrath if he kills him pretending to be a double agent or something, or avoid snor-da-morts angry if he was alright pretending to help him. and double here maybe the wand was what tipped black off that wormy did it and forced him to do his dissaeapring act for 12 years. black sees the want by accident and wormy cuts his finger off and vanishes with the wand to frame black cause no one would belive him. and at no point do we hear why black came after wormy from his prospective as far as I am aware so it's possible.
I think Peter, once he had successfully framed Sirius Black and escaped, went back to Godric's Hollow and searched the rubble, found the wand and safeguarded it someplace he alone knew (right under the nose of any aurors/bystanders who could be watching beause he's an animagus) till a day came where he could use it. After that he found the Weaseley family.
I wouldn't put it past him, if he was already waiting nearby for Voldemort to reward him for getting him access into the Potter home. Seems like a Peter thing to do
I would think before slightly before he framed sirus i mean after all i long suspected peter to have taken and hidden the wand by the time sirus caught up and blew off his finger.
What seems really unlikely ab out this however, is that even if everyone agreed to leave the house alone, I can't really imagine that Dumbledore wouldn't have thought about the wand and I don't think his respect for the scene of a tragedy would have been greater than his curiosity and concern for Voldermort's wand.
I think that Dumbledore and others thought that the rebounding killing curse had destroyed the wand or it had broken in the rubble afterwards, while half of the house broke down.
Seeing how pivotal it ended up being in defeating Voldy, Dumbledore might have wanted him to get his wand back in the end.(Specially after he learned Harry had the twin). He had 3 whole year to get it back to spot to be found.
My theory is that Sirius found it at the house, then the aurors find Voldemort's wand on Sirius when he is arrested. Then Wormtail as a rat steals it before it can become offical evidence.
JK Rowling has already answered this question: he got his want from Wormtail. But is there any reason why Pettigrew couldn't have recovered Voldemort's wand that very night? He still knew exactly where the house was before everyone else. I think it's likely that Voldemort brought Pettigrew along to Godric's Hollow, and Pettigrew immediately went in to check it out when he saw something went wrong. Realizing that Voldemort was gone, he took the wand and kept it by his side (or hidden away somewhere) until Voldemort's return. And even if Voldy never returned, possessing the wand of the Dark Lord would be a valuable card for Pettigrew to have in his back pocket. It would make perfect sense for someone with Pettigrew's survival instinct. This would also explain why neither Hagrid nor Sirius saw Voldemort's wand when they went to recover Harry from Godric's Hollow.
I thought this too. Wormtail was there the night Voldemort killed the Potter's. Maybe even told him right outside their house and then just hid in the shadows till it was over but when it all went wrong went in to see what happened and once saw Voldemort gone he took the wand and ran away. Either hiding it somewhere safe or does it's magically transform too if it's in his pocket 🤔 but either way he took it that's night just incase Voldemort came back.
I agree - Pettigrew took it straight away and stashed it somewhere before his encounter with Sirius. Harry was the first person to survive the killing curse, there's no way authorities wouldn't have searched for the wand that cast it.
I agree. It would also be fitting for Voldemort to take Peter with him. Remember, Peter just recently switched sides and Voldemort could be expecting a trap. I also guess Peter couldn't be immediately shure what happened between Lily, Harry and Voldemort. Obviously something went wrong, but I don't know if Voldemorts body was left behind. If there was no body, Peter might as well thought Voldemort was still alive, so it would be the reasonable thing to take the wand.
@@voodoo_on_u I think Pettigrew did hide it and I think I know where. I think he hid it in the last place anyone would look for it: Either the Grave of Thomas Riddle Sr or The Riddle House. The reason I believe that? After Pettigrew flees at the end of Prisoner of Azkaban, he knew to go to the Riddle House in Little Hangleton. And as we see at the beginning of The Goblet of Fire, Barty Crouch Jr knew to go there too. I would hazard a guess that Voldemort told all the Death Eaters about that location. Also, J was wrong because Voldemort's Resurrection was not the moment Voldemort got his wand back. The beginning of the book when he, Pettigrew, and Crouch are in the Riddle House is the first time we see that wand. Voldemort uses it to kill Frank Bryce, the Groundskeeper. The further proof that it was, in fact, Voldemort's own original wand that he used to kill Frank is the fact that Frank is the second spirit to be spit out of Voldemort's Wand when Harry engages Priori Inacantatem (the first, of course, being Cedric Diggory).
I saw a tiktok that reminds me of this. The girl says her head canon is that Peter went with Voldemort that night and was the one who knocked on the door. Peter is greeted by James who is unsuspecting and thinks his friend has come to see him. He says “Peter what is it? Is something the matter? You look awfully pale. Come inside?” And that’s why James is killed so easily as Voldemort appears and enters the house. James has just enough time to yell for Lily to take Harry upstairs as his childhood best friend watches him die. This allows for him to be at the scene and collect voldemorts wand as things go south. Also gives him time to possibly hide it before Sirius and him duel.
I wish I could remember the name of the girl on tiktok that originally said it but I really liked it and it’s my personal head canon now too! If anyone finds her tiktok please feel free to post her username!
Same! He would be such a good a Peter Pettigrew. I hope that J would get to play at least two characters if there was a cartoon. He is so good at voice impressions.
I think Dumbledore must have known that the wand was still in the house so I guess he (or another member of the Order of the Phoenix) most likely took it. But I also guess that later Olivander informed him about the fact, that Harrys and Voldemorts wands share the same core. So in Dumbledores place (knowing about the prophecy and that it mostly likely will come to a duel between Harry and Voldemort) it might be even reasonable that he deliberately returned the wand into the house since he believed it would be an advantage for Harry.
Would be kinda funny if he just placed it like... Right in plain sight. And Wormtail came to the House and was like 'oh how practical and not at all suspicious to find this wand that will help my lord, right here in the middle of the living room where it is easy to find"
I personally believe that Peter was that day at Godric Hollow, he needed to guide Voldemort. He stood outside but when voldemort died he entered the house as a rat and collected the wand. He hid it somewhere and recovered it later in PoA
>But I also guess that later Olivander informed him about the fact, that Harrys and Voldemort's wands share the same core. No need to guess. Dumbledore tells Harry exactly this...that Olivander wrote him immediately after Harry purchased his wand to let him know.
It seems like you missed how Voldi is hooking on to his wand, so he only needs a guiding finger. Still though I agree it's not giving him any style points. Also 6:00 Love the "We know for sure." Shows clip of movie inconsistency, where they had not yet determined the design of Voldi's wand.
Haha, that would actually fix the wand design difference between movies 1 and 3 - fun idea that Wormtail made the wand more impressive as a gift to please Voldemort after accidentially sending him to his near-death by revealing the Potter's house.
@@newtrebel Yeah, it’s from Coldmirror’s “5 Minuten Harry Podcast”, in which she analyzes 5 minutes of “Harry Potter and the philosopher’s stone” in minute detail. When she came to talk about wand differences, she imagined this to have come to pass in movie 3! XD
Firstly, I think we shouldn't discount Quirrell. Because he wasn't in control of the body, I don't think Voldy would have let Quirrell use the wand and could have hid it away by that point. To be use once he regained a body of his own. Also there is the chance of Wormtail getting it sooner, though I am not sure that it would be in his character to go back to Godric's Hallow that soon. Though an odd thought did occur to me when I was thinking about this option. If Arthur was in the ministry at that point, he may have been with some ministry officials investigating or securing the scene and that is when Arthur found "Scabbers." I always thought that it was odd how quickly he supposedly made it into the Weasley family. Theory for another day: How/when did Wormtail end up with the Weasleys.
After pondering I remembered that in the cemetery he specifically said that he possessed forest creatures, especially snakes if he could help it, to keep living,. So is not farfetched to think he came back to the Potter's house at least a couple of days as a squirrel to retrieve his wand to keep it guarded in one of his safe places.
Voldemort had people everywhere in the Ministry. Malfoy practically had VIP access as Fudge's "benefactor". If Bagnold, and then Fudge, chose not to destroy the wands but instead display them in a show of defiance or as a way of taunting the DEs in Azkaban (or as a matter of keeping evidence presented at their trials locked away), any one of Voldemort's people within the Ministry could have gotten their hands on them in the 14 years between their imprisonment and their breakout.
Does it ever say it was her original wand? She could have gotten a different one that every somehow knew about. Though it does beg the question of where the Azkaban escapees got wants.
Did it ever say the ministry took the wands or something when they were imprisoned? She may have hidden her wand somewhere they couldn't find knowing her capture would be soon. I imagine that the usage of a house elf (like dobby) would allow them to hide their wands somewhere even if they were captured in a fight. Otherwise, they may have spare wands that they keep secret in case the first one is lost.
I figured worm tail had it stashed. When Voldemort came back, he sent for worm tail. And worm tail uses it to cast the spell that restored Voldemort. On a seperate note, where do animaguses wands go when they transform? Could worm tail have had it on him, or stashed in a magical bag on him while transformed? Would be interesting to know more about.
Indeed, clothing and their own Wanda seem to temporally disappear and reappear afterwards. I don’t see any reason that would t apply to anything else they could be carrying by on their person.
@@shreberry5164 oh? Cool. Thats about what I guessed, given Serious has his coat that seems to become part of him too. So I figured it just became part of the transformation. Thanks for the info
I always thought it was Petey who brought Voldey his wandy back. He's always been the logical choice. However, I think he got the wand after finding Voldemort. Peter wouldn't think to look for the wand on his own. Set a reminder for the Livestream. Have a bad memory these days. Really want that Ravenclaw mug.
I have a question about this theory that I don’t believe was adequately handled by the video(though I do very much enjoy the theory don’t get me wrong). Dumbledore was never one for… let’s say… respecting privacy. He was always watching Harry after the night Voldemort came to Godrics Hollow. He searched the Gaunt house when he found it. He explored an unknown but probably very large number of locations in his search for the horcruxes. He entered slughorns house when it had apparently been attacked, when his only purpose was to ask about a job. He even mentions to Slughorn that one odd aspect of the house was that there was no dark mark above, which piqued his interest to further investigate. A characteristic that both Slughorns house and Harry’s original home shared apart from being generally disturbed(blown up/ made to look violent). Another aspect of Dumbldore, at least in respect to dealing with Harry and Voldemort, was that he did his utmost to gather every speck of information he could. Going so far as to perform memory charms on Morfin Gaunt to extract information. It seems to me that it is at least possible that Dumbledore would have been interested to know or learn about the powerful and strange magic that occurred in the house that night. It would have been a powerful draw for him, as he is known to have a soft spot for powerful magical knowledge and also knowledge regarding Harry and Voldemort. We also know that he could enter unseen because, while we are not sure he is an animagus like Peter, he could definitely become invisible. At the time he had the ability to make himself invisible as well as possessing the cloak. We know he sent Hagrid to recover Harry, and we know that at least 3 people were in the house that night. I think it is at least worth considering that Dumbledore would visit the scene at some point to investigate for himself, because he trusts in his own investigative abilities especially in uncovering and understanding more abstract areas of magic. This must be at least taken into consideration I feel. Why didn’t Dumbledore visit? Because if he did, he would definitely have found the wand. Or is it that the wand was taken before he arrived to investigate? This also stirs another question in my brain. Lily and James’s bodies WERE there that night. We know this from Snapes memories. Who recovered their bodies? Surely they were not left to rot. They have graves. And those graves must contain their bodies. Or else there are two sets of bones still in the house to this day, which I feel is highly unlikely as it would be disrespectful to the dead. So someone had to recover the bodies. Who was it?
I have also wondered about Lily and James in regard to the grave and tombstone. Was it a simple burial with just the members of the Order of the Phoenix or was it a larger gathering of local witches/wizards. As for the tombstone did Dumbledore pay for it all or did others help with that. Also if it was a bigger funeral was Snape there?
@@morrigankasa570 As for the tombstone did Dumbledore pay for it all or did others help with that james was rich one would think its taken out of his vault
@@morrigankasa570 most people of money have that already planed out also considering the war death would be on there minds thus agreements would be planned so most likely no James would in all likelihood have set things up but in the unlikely event he did not then yes dumbledoor would have had to do so
I have another theory about how the wand could have been found by Wormtail. After Voldemort disappears Sirius finds it in the wreckage and takes it without thinking about it. When he tracks down Wormtail he goes a bit crazy after Wormtail blows up the street and the aurors find him with Voldemort's wand, which means more evidence against Sirius and why they think he did it. Then Wormtail who is still nearby as a rat steals the wand before it can offically be used as evidence which is why we would never hear about this.
The design of Voldemort's wand solves the problem you spent a section dunking on. The hooked bit on the end exists so that Ralph Fiennes could loosely hold his wand and snake it around without it dropping.
So, funny story about how Voldemort holds his wand. It was the actors idea, to add a hook to the wand, so that he can hold it that way and the movements look more Snake-like
Idk but if I was an 11 year old and a wand like that choose me, I'd have this niggling little feeling I'm not going to turn out to be a good guy, put it that way. Sort of decided Voldy's fate with that alone
Inside theory... : I used to work at the WB studio tour. It was AlfonsonCuaron who introduced the personalised wands in PoA, film 3. Films 1 and 2 everyone's wands were almost identical, then everyone had heavily individualised wands. To justify this, we used to suppose that the wand arrived plain, then grew and changed gradually over time being used :) In this theory, maybe Voldy's wand only turned bony and crooked when he started making horcruxes etc
You've just hit upon the very crux of Harry's whole character arc. The difference between Harry and V are their choices, not their equipment or their destinies in the end.
I like to think that the creepy handle was added later by Voldemort, just like how Lucius fitted his wand in a walking stick. It's also a movie-only design I think?
Dumbledore big plan theory: Dumbledore left the wand, with some magical traps, to catch whoever will try to get it. After learning about the twin cores, he remove the trap, knowing that getting his wand back will only hurt voldemort.
A bigger question I have is why did the Death Eaters who were imprisoned in Azkaban not have their wands snapped and were able to get them back after they escape? Considering how Hagrid had his wand snapped after he was expelled for something that was essentially an accident, why would the Ministry keep the wands of Bellatrix and other convicted Death Eaters who were serving life sentences in Azkaban in storage and not destroy them? It's not like any of them would have any further use for their wands as they are prisoners. Furthermore if they did get their wands back, it would be very bad for the Wizarding World.
It could be possible those aren't their original wands and they stole/went in disguise to get new ones, or they had spare wands. They could have also hidden their wands (as I'm not sure it ever says the ministry took them) knowing they could be captured soon/use a house elf (like dobby) or something to take the wands and hide them since house elves are immune to anti-apparation jinxes and won't betray them, if they are captured in battle. Someone also mentioned it is possible Lucius Malfoy used his influence to take them back. There is also the chance they had someone in the ministry who was able to take them and was not found/got caught after the fact. If the ministry did keep them, I suppose they would do so only as incriminating evidence via priori incantatem or because of some other reason like wanting to keep them as a reminder of the horrors they committed or that they managed to defeat them. I mean, the fact they didn't give them the death sentence could also be considered strange.
@@masterphoenixharp Its so lucky house elves are fairly docile, they seem so much more powerful than wizards. But also I guess wizards don't fear them so don't think about protection from house elves.
They were just that confident that they wouldn't escape. Hagrid was still around and free, so they had to destroy his wand, while the Death Eaters were considered 100% secured...funny how in the 7 years of the book, we hear of 3 separate cases of people escaping from Azkaban, lol. But it was considered impossible to escape from, so they didn't bother destroying or securing the wands.
4:58 Fun fact: the actor who plays Voldemort actually had a little hook added to his wand so that he could hold it like that without dropping it. Great video by the way :-)
I always liked to think that you could place some kind of charm on your wand. The charm would basically be transported to a safe spot only you knew about in the event that you ever became separated from your wand.
Accio would be enough, apparently not that hard to cast wandless and works on wands. As long as you have a good idea where it is and have it clear in mind, it shouldn't be a problem for most wizards. The only problem could be if you are not the owner, there are anti theft charms. Though it would seem Auror's bypass them.
That's a cool concept! Makes you wonder if some wands have curses on them to prevent use by others. Harry does have Olivander check stolen wands in D.H. like Bellatrix's and Draco's
Basically a Vanishing spell and a Conjuring spell happening to the same object simultaneously but in different places, like the Vanishing cabinet but as a triggered thing
Interesting fact: in the movies with Snape going into the Potter house after Voldemort died, it's actually nearly impossible. Unless Peter told Snape the secret, he wouldn't be able to get into the house.
A Fun Fact about Voldemort's wand is that it was made of a Yue branch and Ginny Weasley, who later becomes Ginny Potter, also has a Yue wand. I kind of find it amazing that Harry and Voldemort have the same core, while Ginny and Voldemort have the same wood type. It kind of reminds me how much Voldemort made a lasting effect on Ginny as much as Harry. Because everyone seems to forget that Voldemort also possessed Ginny Weasley in her first year. She even makes a comment about this in the 5th book (not the movie because the movies of course didn't put this in).
The guy who plays Voldemort actually asked the props department to use a band to keep his wand invisibly strapped to his hand so that his casting motion and holding positions would look more fluid and “snake like”
Seems more likely to me that Peter Petigrew was there, at Godric's Hollow, the night James and Lily died. Maybe Voldemort dragged him out there in case he was lying about the location. Peter could have grabbed it and noped out as a rat before Hagrid showed up.
I never realized how crazy it is that twin cores are not a well documented phenomenon in the wizarding world, there must be hundreds of wands with cores made from the same beast. like Dragon heart strings for example, there's no way 1 dragon =1 wand. Honestly cant see how every thirds duel in HP isn't pleagued with that problem.
I thought about this as well. It could be that a lot of different wands are produced, but there could be generations in between wands of similar core choosing new wizards and witches. Perhaps wands of the same core even only choose a next user when the others have deceased? But Harry's was confused because of the Horcrux and Voldemort's near-death?
When you hear about people complaining about convience in a story, just think “It sure is convienient that Harry Potter wasn’t hit by a car before the events of philosophers stone”
I'd always thought that Wormtail initially left, he took the wand with him (or returned shortly after Hagrid and co left) and hid it away just in case. That the reason why only he knew where it was is because he already took it
It's possible that Wormtail literally took Voldermort to Godrics Hollow, heard all the screams, went inside to investigate, saw that everyone but Harry was dead, stole the wand and fled the scene. Like it doesn't makes sense if Hagrid, Sirius and at least some sort of Auror went inside to at least confirm the deaths, to not see the wand. Sure could have been hidden under the rubble, but is there no wizarding detectives?
I believe Wormtail went and got the wand on the Halloween night Lily and James was killed, and Sirius went to get it too, and that’s how Hagrid got Sirius’s bike at the start of Philosopher’s Stone
I agree with first part, but the Sirius part I think he heard of the attack and rushed there to see if he can do anything and met Hagrid there. That's how Hagrid got the bike.
Before watching, I see two possibilities: 1. Pettigrew went back and got it and hid it somewhere 2. It was turned into the Ministry as evidence and one of his servants there stole it (possibly Lucius, or Barty Crouch Sr. under the Imperius Curse).
So…. Wormtail killed Diggory with Voldemorts wand? He must have since Voldy told him to kill “the spare” and Diggory comes back when the Priory Incantatem happens. Somehow I struggle to believe Voldy would let Wormtail use his wand. He (Voldy) seems so protective of his wand - like most other wizards, but even more.
Voldemort treated his followers as extensions of his will. If he was physically unable to wield his wand, when he desired to kill, having the lackey attending him use the more powerful wand according to his wishes would make sense. This is also the sociopathic sense that he didn’t consider rewarding wormtail until later, as this afterthought would feel unnecessary to him.
I always thought that Peter had went back after Tom had failed to kill Harry, and retrieved the wand then. It wouldn't of been that hard to keep concealed for so long.
The books: Wormtail gives Voldy his wand uppon Voldy's resurrection. J: How did Voldy get his wand back theory? Wormtail handed it to him! Anyway, it is weird that NO ONE from the good guys decided to seize Voldy's weapon but whatever...
I think Peter probably went to fetch the wand straight away so that no one else could find it before him, like for example Dumbledore. Then he hid it for when Voldemort would rise again. Following this theory he could possibly even have hid the wand in The Burrow.
I love how a lot of these really interesting things fans have to theorize about, almost certainly actually boil down to "Rowling is a bad writer and just didn't think about this"
I'd argue she's a bad person, not necessarily a bad writer. I still think the original 7 HP books are pretty well written, especially considering they're children's books
About Quirel ,as Olivander said- the best works of wand is if it is the first owner wand,do it would be just more safety for V in Quirrel to use Quirel's wand.
My theory is slightly different than yours: I think Peter went to the Potters house right after they died (or maybe even accompanied Voldemort there, waiting outside?) and searched the house right away for his master, finding only the wand and taking it somewhere else to hide it. Because I think the ministry would at least check the place to see if Voldemort ist really gone (and someone had to retrieve Lily and James' bodies so they could be buried 😭💔). If the wand had still been there at this point, I'm sure someone would have found it. But Peter did intend to join Voldemort as soon as he rose to power again, so I'm sure he was eager to present him with his wand, like you said. And I think he had time to do all this, because we know he was still free to run about by the time Harry was rescued, because Sirius met Hagrid in Godric's Hollow and hadn't been arrested yet. And it could've taken him a few days to find Peter, I don't think we know when exactly their duel happened. So Peter could have had enough time to hide the wand somewhere only he could find it and retrieve it 12 years later when he escaped from Hogwarts to go and look for Voldemort. If the wand HAD still been at the house 10 years later, Voldemort could've just ordered Quirrel to get it (maybe he even did but Quirrel came back empty handed?), and he would, as you have said, prefer to use his own wand over Quirrels. I really enjoyed this video, it's so much fun to think about the backstory of Harry Potter!
I just realized, Sirius breaking out of Azkaban is what set in motion Voldemort returning. Peter was content just being a rat for 12 years with no intention of finding Voldemort until he heard that Sirius had escaped and knew he was looking for him.
There is also another possibility: Part of the house was still hidden by the charm. The part destroyed by the rebounding killing curse might have revealed a large part of it, but maybe not all of it. Sirius was in the secret for sure, so he could visit his best friend, even if Peter was the keeper. They could have gone in to retrieve Harry without issue. Harry was in the house, and one of the protected, so he could see the full house. We don't know how much Hermione could see. Everyone else probably saw part, or a portion, + the plaque, as a symbol or place of pilgrimage. Anyone else couldn't just walk in and search the place, as they would be blocked by the charm still. The secret keeper never died, so all those in the secret didn't become themselves secret keepers, and still couldn't reveal it fully. Voldy's wand may just have flown in a part still hidden. So only Peter could have gone and retrieve it at all. No one else(Sirius wouldn't have, nor would Harry, and no others were in the secret.)
that only applies to the elder wand lol, most wands can be used by most wizards with varying degrees of effectiveness, but the wand that chose you will always be the best for you, and probably not someone else. the normal wands don’t change allegiance like that.
@@razzberry4756 I thought this counted for all wands, since Draco's wand changed allegiance to Harry after he disarmed him in the manor. Which is why Harry then owned the Elder Wand and not Voldemort (after killing Snape)
The bodies of both the Potters were recovered along with Harry. That was pretty much immediately after the murders. Peter was not there yet. So, the authorities recovered two bodies and a baby, but never found the wand right next to the baby? Also, wouldn't Voldy's cloak have also been there along with anything else he had on him? Peter couldn't have dragged everything (cloaks, clothes, wands, etc.) around as a rat.
Shouldn't it be three bodies? Surely Voldys bodie was there too? Maybe the wand wasn't close to him, the spell bacfired and the house got destroyed, maybe the wand flew away from him?
I have a big glaring issues with this theory and it's.... Dumbledore!! The whole knowing Dumbledore who somehow knew how harry survived. Knew about the love sacrifice... would probably know that Voldy's wand was in that ruined house.. So Why in the name of Merlin Dumbledore would leave it just laying there? A bit of an oversight on Dumbledore's part that just seems to unlikely for him.
But Wormtail could have retrieved the wand at any time (as a rat), and could have easily done so before Dumbledore had a chance to find it. While everyone believed Pettigrew was dead, and Dumbledore and the Ministry were busy rounding up Death Eaters, there would have been plenty of time.
@@PhilBagels Yeah maybe but in order for it to make sense Wormtail would've done it right after Voldy's curse backfired and before Dumbledore knew... i doubt that somehow. Cause the moment he betrayed the Potter's he was on the run and after Sirius confronted him he was on the run as a rat! And he stayed a rat for 12 years.. if he had Voldy's wand with him all along why didn't he killed sirius Ron,Hermione etc. When Lupin was turning into a werewolf in POA? Harry just disarmed him and he transformed into a rat.. and ran off...
@@limorma After Sirius was sent to Azkaban, he had plenty of time. Pettigrew was neither loyal nor brave. He would not have taken the initiative to kill anyone without direct orders, and without someone to "protect" him. And he certainly didn't have to keep the wand with him the whole time. He could have easily hidden it somewhere else, where no one would think to look for it. Say, somewhere away from Godric's Hollow. Possibly even in the Room of Requirement. We was moving around Hogwarts on his own when Harry saw him on the Map.
@@PhilBagels You got me there. I agree that maybe he took the wand after Sirius was framed and before he went to live with the Weasley's as scabbers... very possible. That in depth explanation explains some of the holes in the theory... but still... the deeper we dig the more logic problems there is with that. I think it's a plot hole... and we should ignore it... like everyone should've ignored the Cursed child and not consider it Canon. Lol
I think the wand is recovered immediately, possibly by Pettigrew. There seems no way that no one searches that house to look for Voldermort's body (either locals, Aurors, The Order, Dumbledore, Death Eaters etc). We're told that the Fidelius Charm falls with the deaths of James and Lily. In a magical village there's a big explosion of magic and the Potter's house reappears. Someone from the village must go to check on it. Someone contacts Dumbledore (or Dumbledore is immediately aware that his Fidelius Charm is broken) and he sends Hagrid (why doesn't Dumblefore apparate there himself?). Someone searches that house and brings Lily and James's bodies out. Someone makes sure Voldermort's body isn't there. We know that Sirius reaches the house shortly after Hagrid has rescued Harry (PoA chapter 10). When Hagrid refuses to give Harry to him, I doubt Sirius leaves immediately. I believe he goes into the house and brings out James and Lily's bodies. Either Sirius finds Voldermort's wand or, more likely, it has already been taken by that point. My guess would be that Voldermort insists on Pettigrew accompanying him to the Potters' house just in case the information Pettigrew has given him is wrong, that way he can punish him. Pettigrew lurks while Voldermort attacks and when he falls, Pettigrew instinctively takes the wand then stashes it somewhere before retrieving it some time later.
In half blood prince when Harry and dumbledore are getting the fake locket horcrux, why doesn’t Harry just use auguamenti to shoot water directly from his wand into dumbledore’s mouth instead of trying to scoop water from the lake with the ladle (?) that was already in the basin? Harry didn’t need to get attacked by the inferi, dumbledore could’ve gotten rehydrated and regained a decent amount of strength before going back to Hogwarts, and the entire rest of the book could’ve gone differently from then on out.
I had the same thought, but since it's my favorite book I like to think the basin had an aquatic magnetism charm on it so evwn if he had tried that, the stream would have rerouted away from his mouth. There would never have been a chance for Dumbledore to survive the potion, that's why he brought Harry.
Dumbledore was always going to die. That's why he tells Harry to find Snape when they get back to Hogwarts. Yeah, he didn't plan on Draco getting the Death Eaters into the castle, but he still would have had Snape kill him that night. As for Harry not using Aguamenti, it's a lame excuse, but he might have been panicking. Or there was a curse that would have made the water dissipate on contact with Dumbledore's mouth.
Dumbledore was already dying because off the curse, he planned his death. When they returned he specifically asked for Snape instead off madam Pomfrey because he wants Snape to end his suffering. He probably planned to die before the end off the schoolyear because he wanted Draco to “succeed” in his task, thats why he petrifies Harry and doesn’t defend himself when he hears someone approaching.
That looks like an utterly hilarious seen in my imagination, just squirting water at an old man Also I imagine whatever happens the Inferi come after you once you try to get in the boat, as there is no indication that RAB did that however he was attacked by the inferi
It has been so long since we have seen a video from you guys . I have missed them . This did clear up some loose threads by the way . Very entertaining . Thank you ! And welcome back !!
I speculate that Dumbledore recovered the wand when he at some point searched the house to recover James's and Lilly's bodies (it might have been another reason, but I like to think they were buried properly). However, when he learned that Voldemort's wand's twin chose Harry, he returned Voldy's wand to the house, knowing that the twin cores would provide Harry with further protection against Voldemort if, of course, Voldemort chose to retrieve his old wand. I also think it more likely that Voldemort ordered Peter to retrieve his wand instead Peter getting it himself as a 'gift.' Although I admit both scenarios are equally likely.
I read somewhere Ralph fiennes specifically asked for a hook around with finger for his wand so that his movements could be fluid and that makes why he holds it weirdly
Did you know that Ralph Fiennes (the guy who played Voldemort in movies 4,5,6, 7, and 8) suggested to attach a hook to Voldemort’s wand so he move it more “snake-like”.
Best creepy pettigrew impression EVER Also, it could be Crouch Jr if they got the info from Bertha, then got Crouch to join them, who went and retrieved the wand and THEN they kill Bertha after Crouch joined them.
As I was thinking back to the graveyard duel, something hit me: I think there's an error with Priori Incantatum. Specifically, it's made clear in book 3 that James died before Lily, but in book 4, James comes out of Voldemort's wand before she does. If the wand was regurgitating spells in reverse order, then Lily should've shown up before James. I believe the actual passage involves James saying "Your mother's coming. Don't break the connection." Afterwards, Lily comes out of the wand as the last "ghost" that appears. Even after having read and/or listened to the series several times, I never realized that.
I thought the golden flames were due to Harry being a horcrux? It was the natural defence mechanism of the horcrux. Did we go over this in another video?
In Kings Cross, Dumbledore says that he thinks the gold flames were from Voldemort's power being recognised and regurgitated, but he isn't really sure. The SuperCarlinBrothers think that the gold flames were a defence mechanism of the horcrux. So yes, they did cover it in another video, just one is canon and one is a headcanon.
@@ahtnamaSAugust Hmm. Then it could have been mentioned in that video that that is what Dumbledore thinks, rather than the definitive answer. I think the horcrux thing has a lot more evidence to it anyway
Haven’t finished the video, but to add to many comments I’ve seen. Pettigrew was the secret keeper of the Potters house. No one could enter without him telling them. It was kept completely secret that he was, therefore only a handful of people knew and most of them were dead or incarcerated after the fact. So technically no one could have entered the potter’s house to acquire the wand except Pettigrew, Sirius, and Voldemort.
Honestly I’d be shocked of how many people haven’t seen them they are a masterpiece. They are each almost 4 hours and I honestly belief the lord of the rings should have made more in box office when each made less then 400 million. Come on this movie trilogy beats the mcu in a heartbeat
Before watching the video, I feel like it could be as easy as Wormtail found it at the Potters house and kept it for the day he found Voldemort to give him his wand back.
Seems the most powerful wizards hold their wands that way. So does Dumbledore. Perhaps itnis actually better and they're teaching it wrong at Hogwarts.
I think it's more likely that Peter took the wand the night of the murders, after the explosion but before Sirius and Hagrid arrived. I'd think Voldy would have made Peter come to the village with him in case the info was faulty so Wormtail could be punished immediately if he was lying, and also witness his friends deaths due to his betrayal, even if he wasn't directly in the house at the time.
Pettigrew probably stashed it somewhere when Voldemort blew himself up, then returned for it after the events of Prisoner of Azkaban. 5:30 Remember, the exact location was protected by a Fidelius Charm. Only the secret keeper could reveal it. This was Peter Pettigrew. This does open a plot hole about how Hagrid got Harry without knowing Pettigrew was the secrt keeper. Perhaps Sirius handed Harry to him before he went after Pettgrew? 8:59 Ah, here it is. Sirius was probably too angry to search for wands. As for Hagrid, we don't know that he got in. 9:25 That is indeed weird. I did not remember the order of events, so I had to check. Harry was there before, so he would have been able to get there anyway, but he should not have been able to lead Hermione to the house, as Pettigrew was still alive at that point. Fidelius charm must have really been dead. 10:50 Love this part
Once the subject of the fidelius charm is dead, the charm stops working. Therefore James and Lily dying made the charm stop working. The reason everyone could see the house from that point on is because the charm was basically removed
So I literally just went back and listened to the chapter “Diagon Alley” and Mr. Olivander, after seeing Harry’s scar, very clearly says “I’m sorry to say, I sold the wand that did it”.
Exactly, Wormtail being a garden rat would be more than capable of grabbing it and hiding it where pack rats and other rats often hide things. Voldemort is able to talk to animals so he would help because he is still alive.
I'm pretty sure Voldemort holds his wand that way to emphasize how strong he is that he barely needs to grip it but when he needs his attacks stronger he tightens his grip and even helps channel it further with his free hand.
I'd like to see an episode pondering this theory: If the cores for voldemort and Harry's wand both came from fawks then would that mean that they could use each other's wand??
As far as Harry's defense against Voldemort's magic, we can't ignore the fact that a horcrux can and will defend itself, and Voldemort's horcruxes are extra powerful. In the Battle of the Five Potters (as the movie shows it) Harry seems to be almost unconscious with something else taking control. The horcrux was defending itself. It was essentially Voldemort versus Voldemort in that moment.
Alternate theory: Voldy placed a spell on his wand anticipating any potential mishaps where his body might be killed. Upon Voldy's death, the wand immediately removed itself to a hidden magical dimension or location. Similar to the spell required to create a new body, retrieving Voldy's wand required the wand of one of his followers--Peter in this case.
