How do elites pave the way for social decay? | Peter Turchin x Brain Bar

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One of Brain Bar 2023’s most thought-provoking talks was Oxford complexity scientist Peter Turchin’s. When Peter looks at history, he sees not significant dates, great heroes, or memorable events but trends, repetitions, and mathematical rationale.
What causes civilizations to fall apart? How can education, high-collar jobs, and wealth be a bad thing for societies? In his talk, Peter sheds light on the clear rules of world history, and how the relationship between the ruling elites and the masses has fueled unrest and wars throughout the past 5000 years.
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@nw57 4 месяца назад

I think it's ironic that he's presenting this to a group of elite aspirants. I've read his book and when he gets a chance to completely explain his findings it's very compelling.

@j.dunlop8295 5 месяцев назад

Dr. Turchin cataloged +400 civilizations, 182 of them had enough Data to surmise,(guess at) how civilizations collapse, which is driven by wealth disparity, too few msga rich, and too many poor people. 85-90% of the time ending in violence! French revolution, Russian revolution, ect.

@ofnair 5 месяцев назад

State collapse. Complete civilizational collapse is much rarer.

@revensona8637 4 месяца назад

youre missing the point entirely its not about a wealth gap

@scallamander4899 3 месяца назад

It absolutely is about the wealth gap, or more precisely the wealth pump, taking wealth from the masses and pumping it upwards to the elite. This generates both social immiseration and elite overproduction, the latter of which leads to the creation of too many elite aspirants who then turn into counter-elites. These counter-elites then mobilize the immiserated masses to overthrow the old elite and establish a new system. @@revensona8637

@didforlove Месяц назад

@@revensona8637explain

@andrew69novak Месяц назад

I think the last question was being put forward with regard to CBDC and surveillance. It is a shame Peter did not pick up on this because the drive to tyrannical totalitarianism is definitely picking up steam.

@user-wk4ee4bf8g 19 часов назад

It is all rooted in human emotions. That slowly creates societal structures that incentivize greed, like a pyramid hierarchy. We are a tribal species, once you leave that and create big groups the incentives for corruption rise. Agriculture is a direct incentive for corruption. Once you sit in one place and plow the land, govts and other concentrated power structures develop. A small group of people is self regulating because everyone knows everyone else. I'm sure tribes went mad with power sometimes, but less than agricultural societies. Agriculture IS "civilization", the war machine.

@didforlove Месяц назад

Are we in dark ages ?

@G8rquest Месяц назад

"We"? Depends on common values and goals, in my opinion. Vampires and empires depend on nonvoluntary collectivism to exist for centuries on "our" blood. Escape velocity takes Heart and skill, alchemy even. What may be worse than dark ages is a time of incessant artificial light. Your answer may emerge after a time of unplugging. Prepare for yourself and proceed. Happy Easter 'Node'.😌🙏

@farinshore8900 Месяц назад

The dark ages are coming

@ofnair 5 месяцев назад

It’s too bad he is not very good at presenting the theory. Not many people will have the patience to read 3-4 books to really ”get” what he is talking about. So he is likely doomed to be misunderstood and ignored.