How Do We Recognise Divinity? | Thinking Bhakti Podcast EP10 

I want to meet Paramahamsa Vishwananda as well as these two individuals. Bhakti Marga is a blessing for us. 🙏🙏🙏

Nice discussion, daring and sincere👍glad Mayuran tried to shed some light on my “accusation” of him being inconsistent 😇

Special thanks to you both. We devotees are on such an adventure: sometimes we can barely breath or physically contain Paramahamsa Vishwananda's reality; we may forget what He has shown us but we cannot un-see it; our egos are wounded when He fails to affirm our identities; we are disappointed and doubting when He doesn't give us what we would like; but we know we are home - we have smelled His fragrance, we have tasted His juice of life and so we stay. We stay knowing its Him who keeps us alive and can meet our longing for love.

When His Divinity is shown, there are no words, just feelings in the Heart ❤. So very Grategul for your podcasts

Jai Gurudev, my father was at the Paranitya Narasimha Temple inauguration . After telling him that some of us see him as divinity, he said "I don't know if he is or not but there is absolutely something about him unlike anyone I've ever encountered " My father has seen how Gurujis teachings have transformed me too. Jai Gurudev

God Is Love true love, GuruJi is Love and that's the way to go. ❤💖💗

As someone who joined the path 2 months ago I don’t know much about it but here is what I realized so far: “I don’t know if he’s God or not and to a degree it’s not even important to me. I just know that since I saw him for the first time I think about him every single day. My heart tells me to follow and bow down to him. And so I do. A deep change is happening inside of me and I want to keep going.” Much love to everyone ❤

Thank you so much for this talk ! Jai Gurudev!

I thank Him and bow in Deep Reverence and Gratitude for the Opportunity of this episode through which He has by His Grace descended upon me more Clarity, Depth and Grounding!🙏👣 Jai GuruDev!🙏❣️🔥 Krishna Arpanamastu!🙏👣

A Vaishnava never claims or accepts being treated as an incarnation of God. Vaishnavism is a monastic tradition of the most generous servants of the servants of the servants of God.

Very important topic! I was a little shocked to see the preview because I wasn't expecting that this topic can be discussed so openly! It was incredibly useful, deeply argumented and helpful! Thank you for bringing such hot topics into discussion!

Thank you for sharing and represent well the rest of the devotees. Just Love ♥️

Thank you Mayuran, thank you Swami Revati 🙏 More please❤Jai Gurudev! 🎉

Jaya, Jaya ! i once visited Bhakti Marga temple. I had small Krsna like veg restaurant at that time and one Bhakti Marga Danish devotee asked Job from my restaurant. She worked for a while , and i visited once in the temple and iT was nice experience. 🫶 interesting is Guru VishwaNanda have said to this devotee to ask me for a visit ,when he next time visit in Finland. I was enthutiastic hearing this, but somehow or another i didn’t arrive, no idea why. Somehow now i remember this 😃 hopefully i get a second chance to meet finally Sri ViswaNanda 🙏

Jai Gurudev! "Those who think they can understand God with their intellects have no understanding of God. Only those who think He is beyond the scope of their comprehension truly understand Him." Guruji, Paramahamsa Vishwananda is the center of His devotees' lives and He is beyond our comprehension. We recognize Guruji, Paramahamsa Vishwananda as the ULTIMATE authority in our lives. It is not a matter of claiming that Guruji is God, it is a matter of inner recognition. This inner recognition, this feeling can only be given by Paramatma who dwells in the hearts of all living beings.

🔥🔥🔥🔥 thank you for this podcast!

Jai Gurudev

Thank you so much, Swami ji 🙏 Wishing you the best for 2024

Wow!! I'm actually in the process of reading "I Am That". Personally I do find that both Gurus (Nisargadatta Maharaj and Paramahamsa Vishwananda) a lot of overlap. Both (from my understanding) see the divine in all of us. Both have alot of basic agreements as far as their foundational works are associated with Dharma and other basic Hindu tenants. Fyi for anyone interested I have an entire playlist of my reaction to each chapter of the book ,as far as I've read on my channel.

Jai gurudev

A ❤-felt thanks to both of you for this amazing conversation. I can hardly fathom the blessing, the grace that is showered upon me for He is here and you are here to help me understand so much more about Him. Gratitude 🙏🏼 ❤

In What looks like a official Guruji sticker pack I have seen going round, there are three images that disturbed me. Gurujis face on Krishna’s form, Shiva’s form and Narayans form. I'm sure you have the authority to remove these from the sticker pack. I love my Guruji and because of this I have respect of other vaishnava lines and I just think as Hari Bhakta Sampradiya is starting we must be very careful. What you have said in this podcast has inspired me to speak up. Dandvats. Jaya Guru Dev

Jai gurudev 💎

Thank you for this open sharing

A thought provoking discussion. Thank you 🙏🌺

Jai Gurudev … intense 😮 alot to reflect on 🙏🏽

Wonderful ! I’m so grateful I’ve found this path I’m truly blessed

Nice discussion

Jai Gurudev! In my experience I noticed how Guruji removes the dust of our minds before giving a glimpse of Himself. It’s only in the moments that our heart is fully sincerely crying for God that He manifests. While we are in our mind with doubts and confusion, it’s not possible to perceive Him. But that devotion is also experienced by His Grace only. Luck are us who have tested His Divine Nectar 🙏🏼🙏🏼 BG 8.22 purusah sa parah partha bhaktya labhyas-tv-ananyaya | yasyantah sthani bhutani yena sarvam idam tatam|| 22 || The Supreme Being is attained by unswerving devotion, Arjuna. He is the One in which all beings exist and by whom this whole universe is pervaded.

Great 👍 ❤

Jai Shri Ram, is your guest the one that makes videos for "Dharma speaks" ?It sounds like him . Always wanted to see the face of such enlightening videos. Jai Shri Krishna.

This is a very heated topic. Don’t ever underestimate him. He is here to liberate mankind, With our limited capacity of our mind is difficult to understand. This is because we blind with illusions. Only few can really understand this. He doesn’t needs to say it or show it to the world.

👏 👏👏 Super talk👌🏽

Amazing ❤ episode🎉

Well yes, when you look at God in the Bible and the miracles He did then you look at Guruji, definitely miraculous 🙏🏻

Jai Gurudev 🙌

Thank you guys for this interesting dialogue, I hope this continues. I heard some new ideas about Hinduism that I had not considered before. And some questions arose about what you said. With all respect, these are my questions: 1) How can you justify making this guru the "lord of your life" and deny Christ this position. I dont think you've made a compelling argument for this. Unless you can truly understand why people would think this is fundamentally wrong. 2) What is the difference between your faith, Guruji & a cult? Many would label it such. Just like the maga cult led by D. Trump. He is seen as a manifestation of God to his off-kilter followers here in the US. They see him as a guru of sorts in a certain western form. *Question for Paramahamsa Vishwananda:* If you are God-Realized, & God has reincarnated within you, why are you limited to Hinduism? Are you only God-Realized within this construct? It would seem God would transcend any and all barriers & distinctions while also being greater than all of these. I am one more interested in Truth than in maintaining a position. This is the impetus for my questions.

Very nice conversation, thanks 🙏

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So you guys are the next in line for the seat on God throne , once he finishes his Leela??

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We are all part n parcel of God. How will God work through us. What is the potency of the relationship with God. Doesn't mean we are a Direct Avatar of Vishnu with all the same qualities. We should see guru as God's representative as such should be treated a such. As we should see all will equal value and vision.

❤❤❤❤❤Jai Gurudev ❤❤❤

Does Bhakti Marga give food to the poor or needy? Does it provide any services after philosophy and devotion, and divinity? Does it give any disclaimers to it's members or viewers? Does it seek to have many followers and how will it maintain those followers? What is the funding from?

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Jai Gurudev, Could you do an episode on free will vs determinism? I feel it is a good way to get to atheists. Free will is self evident to me.

Can you please tell me which mics are these ?

That's Tapasya so deep Tapasya that you get consistent in something that's the exam cleared there a rural bliss of full mind open to god no devil's interference there any more so devotional

I like your discussion. I see that most of comments are from the people who follow Vishwananda. You all are so lucky to find your master. . I have so many questions for you. i) What prompted you (especially the people in west) to look for a master? For most of us, it is ingrained since childhood. However that's not the case for folks born in west. i) How did you know that he was the one? ii) How did you develop that trust etc.? Please don't get me wrong, I was born and raised in India and currently in west from a decade. In India, People (or their disciples) claiming to be master, maybe they are, maybe they don't. However before you experience yourself it is really hard to buy a claim on face value. I am assuming you got to have some trust to stuck with a person and then eventually get a experience to realize that he is master or not.

Hi, somehow my mind have been filled with this ideas could Lords avatar, Krishnas avatar be here in this earth or could the Lord arrive soon? I have search trough this from Puranas and other texts, and basically yeah it can be so. I find hints about it, and also i think need to know that predictions in Puranas are allways not so clear and verses can have multiple meanings. On Thing popped up from Bhavisya Purana where Krishna said he will TaKe birth as a part avatar in Kali Yuga with hes close societes. Who can be this part avatar? Then in Bhavisya predicted Krishna Caitanya, one interesting verse was Krishna said i appear in between 4. AND 5. millenium in Kali Yuga, could this means two times? Then Puranas said Yuga avarar and other avatars can appear multiple time, not just once. Then Srila Prabhupada said another Jagadguru will TaKe birth after him. Bhaktivinoda Thakura predict there will be a time when all the Vaisnava Dharmas Flow together like a rivers will Flow to the one big Ocean. Seems Bhakti Marga accept more varieties to practise Vaisnava Dharma, so Raam Bhaktas, Vaikuntha Bhaktas, Krishna Bhaktas, Gaudiyas, Nimbarkas, even Sages and Yogis can join to the movement and progress in spiritual life . Laghu Bhagavatamrita by Rupa Goswami explains nicely varities of different incarnations and avatars 😊

Please accept my respects. I humbly ask whether Swami Vishwananda has personally claimed he is a Vishnu tattva entity? If he has please share a link to him speaking such words. If not can you kindly share what are his comments on his followers who consider him a Vishnu tattva entity.

Every one is god 🙏❤

Being a bhakti marg devotee, I m trying to say that, there can't be a definition of God, definition is a way of limiting God. God feeling according to me is when u see anything, u just don't see that thing as beautiful materially, but u also feel that beauty in ur heart with a little pinch of sweet pain. U feel a hollowness in ur body, u even start feeling the hollowness in ur throat. U start feeling that someone is holding u tightly in a folded manner like in a egg, but even after that u feel urself to be free, u feel urself expanded. U don't exactly know where ur skin ends, or say where ur external senses ends and where external environment starts. U just can't tell the difference between ur body and air or anything surrounding ur body, and this primarily happens bcz what u r feeling and seeing outside your body is also felt inside ur body at a very very minute level yet in all parts of ur body.

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Worshipping the divine with a form is not a problem if we realize that this form is divine and limitless, not rooted in an individuality. It will lead the soul to the higher worlds of the divine forms or the non-forms it depends of the path of the devotee, but it will grant moksha with no return. Problem is when we think God is separate from us and "outside".

What does Guruji Swami Vishwananda Himself say? Does He say He's God or not God?

A hugely thought provoking discussion. Forgive me for my ignorance but who is Guruji? Is it Paramahamsa Vishwananda or his next reincarnation? Sorry I'm lost on this is KALKI AVATAR supposed to be the next and the final one. I apologise for my ignorance and if that has offended anyone, I hope someone will provide some information to better my understanding.

Exactly, if we don't know God, we can't say Guruji is God.

Lads I’m a Sanatan but this a bit far fetched for me.

Will Paramahansa Vishwananda ever come to Ireland?

All of Krishnas incarnations are clearly stated in the Vedic literatures. At any time there are several "incarnations" with several people convinced that they are avatars, but there is no shastric evidence. Being a miracle performer does not make you an avatar

Hari. " My heart tells me, that Guruji is God." Ofcourse I have zero rights to say anything againts what people believe and feel, but because its public discussion I guess I have right to comment it. With all respect to both of you but.....you have no idea (or better say you have if you are observing history of mankind) what "heart" told to people of this planet....such amount of nonsense ideas, misconceptions, sufferings caused,...."Heart" tells them to do so many stupid or irrational things, and how to define actually what is so called "heart" and our crazy mind for a conditioned soul? How can you actually claim what your heart (soul&paramatma) tells you until you are on liberated platform (above Maya and gunas) ? If you are on that stage than I have no objections. Topics which you were pointing out are very important, because since I am observing Bhaktimarga I noticed alot of ungrounded claims and philosophy which in my opinion causing great damage to credibility of your movement. Afterall Guruji is I guess aware of that "problem" and himself most importat figure in it so I am wondering what are his actions , what he is preaching to you about it on satsangs etc...Why not just ask him personally what he has to say about it. Since you were putting those claims in your official sampradaya document I guess he agree with them. You are putting also Tulasi leaves on his feet so its obvious he treat himself as Vishnu tattva and beyond. What to say anymore time will tell, hope you will not take my comment as offending anyone I'm just discussing things... I'm accepting Lord Chaitanya as God, because unbroken bonafide parampara chain system and acharyas (liberated souls) accept him as God and authority like Krishnadas Kaviraja Goswami wrote a biography Chaitanya Charitamrita about him. Also authorities like Six Goswamis of Vrindavan accept him as God and so on. We should always has a "security system" which is called Guru-Sadhu-Shastra approvment. Facts about Lord Chaitanya were presented to me via Srila Prabhupada and his living representative Kadamba Kanana Swami Maharaja. All the best. Navadvip Candra das

Is there any definition for God. Or is there any qualifications or any set of rules that someone is incarnation of God ? Is there any book or written on that these are quality of God. Should God has to perform miracle to show the world that he is God. Can some answer this.

😭 IM SO GRATEFUL TO GOD! ”“I tell you this timeless truth: The person who follows me in faith, believing in me, will do the same mighty miracles that I do-even greater miracles than these because I go to be with my Father!“ ‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭12‬

Isn’t that bit too much

I reduced the speed of the video because you talk too fast Jai Gurudev😊🙏🎇

If Guru Ji were an avatar He would be Lord Vishnu in a human body, like Krishna and He would have full divine powers. Guru Ji is a God-Realized living Saint, not an avatar.

If your guru is God, then at some point when you become the guru, do you also become God? Because that doesn't make sense, since God is eternally God, he never becomes God.

So sad

Any claim of replacing God with a human is naive. Your heart doesnt speak by the way. Its only your mind. Sorry if I sound a bit arrogant. I think sometimes people are exaggerating things just to feel peaceful. Faith is sometimes so powerful that it affects your energies and immunity system. But this is something like a placebo effect.

They say “ Om namoh Bhagavate Vasudevaya,” meaning ‘the divine in me bows to the divine in you.” Aren’t we all divine within ourselves? Aren’t we all bits of the divine father, and Guru Ji all the more embodiment of him? Then why is it wrong to call him God, or the closest human to be called God? Isn’t he showing us the right path directly on the earthen plane? If that doesn’t fit the description of God, I don’t know what does. ❤ Pranam 🙏

It was a nice discussion Swami Revatikanta. But you haven't really grounded your claim that Sri Vishwananda is God / Avatar. Your miraculous experiences ground the belief that he is on a plane much higher than the average human being. But jumping from that to He is an Avatar of the primordial Supreme Personality of Godhead is too big a leap. And it is not a jump that is to be taken so lightly. Just because identifying an Avatar of Lord is hard, we can't open the doors to every siddha potentially being an avatar because that would be very blasphemous. Guru is as good as God scriptures say. So your heart revering him at that level is appropriate. But Guru is also distinct from God and that distinction should not be arbitrarily collapsed.

I am god😂🌟🌈🕉🪷🔱🙏🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The Western/Abrahamic concept is binary ie either u are a human or u are a God. Which is its biggest flaw. In Hinduism we have a gradient approach. We evolve from an Ameoba to a Human. Similarly we evolve from human to a God so there are different levels in between human and God. And Shashtras say that once u have conquered materialistic pleasures then u are offered Siddhis(powers) its a test just like the materialistic pleasures. U have to not settle for Siddhis, God is checking if u really want God or ull settle for Siddhis. Siddhis are very common in India among the Sanyasis. So just cause someone has Siddhis dosent mean they are God. I'm no one to judge a Guru just giving my knowledge regarding the topic, sorry if i spoke anything in offensive way🙏 Ull should listen to Premanand Maharaj if you'll understand Hindi, lot of knowledge. Even Swami Vishwananda has met him. Jai Shree Ram 🙏🙏 Ps: still not completed the whole video.

I cannot recognize divinity at first glance, but I sure can recognize a conman/delusional man when I analyze one. He just read some spiritual books and decided to become a guru. The title of Paramahamsa was given to him by whom? Self-proclaimed?

Wash yor faece

An avatar??? Give me a break

There's a lot of ego in that podcast

Unbelievable audacity, wow. May Kṛṣṇa forgive your blasphemies.

This is complete bogus and is blind leading the blind.

Your godman thinks he saw curvature of the earth from the window of an airplane. He hasn't seen the the Supreme Lord's Virata-Rupa, The Lord's Universal Form. If he had he wouldn't be thinking that he lives on the exterior of a spinning ball shooting through the vacuum of space. May we suggest that your guru get himself a Nikon p1000 and prove to yourself that the curvature of the earth cannot be measured because the curvature of the earth simply does not exist.

He is Rasikananda, siksak of Shyamananda from Orissa..

Hey is he from "Dharma speaks" youtube channel?

Guru is not God. But those who do not respect a Guru does not feel any God. Maata, Pita, Guru, phir God. So Sanatan believes that a Guru is an important person worth respect