How do we situate Islam in politics today? - Syed Ali Tawfik Al-Attas 

#savemasjidilaqsanow NoThirdTempleOnMountMoriah Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 114: وَمَنْ أَظْلَمُ مِمَّن مَّنَعَ مَسَاجِدَ اللَّهِ أَن يُذْكَرَ فِيهَا اسْمُهُ وَسَعَىٰ فِي خَرَابِهَا أُولَٰئِكَ مَا كَانَ لَهُمْ أَن يَدْخُلُوهَا إِلَّا خَائِفِينَ لَهُمْ فِي الدُّنْيَا خِزْيٌ وَلَهُمْ فِي الْآخِرَةِ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ And who is more unjust than he who prevents (men) from the masjids of Allah, that His name should be remembered in them, and strives to ruin them? (As for) these, it was not proper for them that they should have entered them except in fear; they shall meet with disgrace in this world, and they shall have great chastisement in the hereafter. (English - Shakir) via iQuran

Leadership, especially political leadership requires a different skill set, one that is ill suited for academics and philosophers. Ever wonder why there are many more examples of actors becoming presidents and prime ministers, never an professor of economics or academician?

This is the kind of leader we should be

Kleptocrats are elected as leaders in Malaysia.

Academicians avoid debating panelist whose claim to fame is solely among a viewership who arent very well versed about the topic or facts being thrown about by the panelist. Especially when the topic involves addressing scientific concepts and facts and giving religious texts and concepts as its equivalence. There are very few from the scientific or social science fields who have the wit and ability to match an opponent whose basic understanding of scientific concepts and definition is fundamentaly erroneous. Richard Dawkins and the late Christopher Hitchens are examples of the few. For those who are interested, there are plenty of videos highlighting errors in Zakir Naiks understanding of scientific concepts and facts on you tube.n

Never be the wahabies would be consent to the Syiah...

Betul tu. Jarang2 kita dengar cerita tentang apa yang perlu dibuat menangani kriris kepimpinan dan moral yang melanda kepimpinan dan kakitangan kerajaan. Banyak kita dengar hal2 remeh dan nostalgia kegemilangan Islam. Ulama2 Negara harus berani mengorak langkah tanpa takut. Tolonglah kaum agamawan. Bangkitlah secara rasional, berani dan berlapang dada. Bukan minta angkat senjata. Orang awam mohon agamawan bangkit memimpin. Bukan bangkit tunjuk siapa ASWJ dan siapa wahabi.

@@uncledan2u apa pandangan tuan tentang PAS? PAS ditubuhkan oleh ulama yang ingin perjuangkan Islam

@@ahmaduthman8801 ada satu pepatah bahasa inggeris yang berbunyi " There are two kinds of people you should never trust. A religious leader who tells you how to vote and a politician who tells you how to pray." Saya harap saya tak perlu mentafsirkan pepatah diatas. Cuba fikir apakah yang mereka maksudkan dengan kenyataan memperjuangkan Islam? Konsep memelihara agama dalam Al-daruriyyah pun maksudnya tidak padan dengan makna perjuangan. Itu kalau kita lihat dari sudut agama. Dari sudut politik moden, persoalan ideologi dan memperjuangkan ideologi timbul dari persoalan sistem pentadbiran dan ekonomi yang mana yang seseorang individu percaya adalah terbaik. Tak faham bagaimana memperjuangkan agama muat dalam ideologi politik. Akhir sekali, persoalan yang paling penting. Apakah yang PAS telah berjaya memperjuangkan dari tarikh parti tersebut ditubuhkan sehinggalah hari ini. Kedudukan dan peranan agama Islam dalam persekutuan? Tidak Peranan yang dimainkan oleh agama dalam kehidupan seharian yang beragama Islam? Tidak Rangka, kuasa dan perlaksanaan perundangan syariah untuk urusan seperti berkahwin, bercerai dan berkenaan dengan harta pusaka yang beragama Islam? Tidak Semua ini sudah diperuntukkan dan tertera dalam perlembagaam negara, jauh sebelum parti PAS ditubuhkan Merangka dan melaksanakan pengiktirafan sesuatu barang makanan dan minuman halal? Tidak. Amalan memakai tudung sebagai kebiasaan pun bukan usaha atau hasil politik PAS. Peranan terbesar PAS sejauh yang saya masih ingat adalah menjadi contoh sebuah parti politik yang menonjolkan nilai nilai positif ketika masyarakat berbilang kaum semakin mula terasa BN dan parti komponennya iaitu UMNO, MCA dan MIC sudah semakin hilang hala tuju dan nilai nilai yang dibawa mereka satu ketika dahulu. Itupun bukan sebab parti PAS tetapi kerana arwah TGNA selaku MB Kelantan dan Mursyidul Am PAS ketika itu. Akhir sekali, kita harus sedar matlamat dan tujuan sesebuah parti politik itu ditubuhkan akan berubah mengikut perubahan pemimpin dalam parti itu. Contoh terbaik adalah Parti PAS dibawah kepimpinan arwah TGNA dan perubahan pada Parti PAS selepas beliau meninggal. Yang mendengar laungan slogan politik seperti parti keramat yang memperjuangkan bangsa dan agama perlu bertanya kenyataan tersebut benar sehingga tahun apa?

@@theallseeingeye9388 tuan nak terangkan pasal politik Islam pun refer pepatah inggeris. Kenyataan tuan ada yang tidak tepat, perlu lihat beberapa enakmen shariah di Kelantan dan Terengganu yang berjaya dipinda zaman Pas Soal kedudukan Islam dalam perlembagaan, ya betul kita bersyukur ada peruntukan ini, tapi tahu tak ada banyak masalah timbul asbab pemimpin UMNO yang merdeka kan negara ini buat kerja separuh masak? Kedudukan mahkamah sivil yang jauh lebih tinggi menyebabkan undang-undang syariah tidak terpakai. Boleh lihat shj kes terbaru SIS cabar fatwa Selangor. Kenyataan tuan seolah-olah Pas tiada jasa langsung bagi saya satu Kenyataan yang meremehkan usaha mereka. Di 3 negeri bawah Pas judi berlesen sudah tidak ada. Cuba lihat di negeri lain?. Di Kelantan Terengganu jualan arak adalah sgt dikawal ketat. Apabila tuan menunggang nama Tuan Guru Nik Aziz saya dpt rasa tuan tidak follow betul² perkembangan Pas. Kena ingat zaman TG Nik Aziz sebagai mursyidul Am, pemimpin² Pas sedia ada pun sudah menjadi pemimpin Pas. Pas bukannya bergerak atas Batang tubuh tapi usaha kolektif. Akhir sekali, tuan kena tengok usaha Pas melalui pendidikan, 2,529 buah Pusat Asuhan Tunas Islam (PASTI) dengan 150 PASTI yg baru ditambah, 170 cawangan Sekolah Rendah Integrasi Teras Islam (SRITI) termasuk 21 SRITI baharu dan 20 SRITI petang dan 6 buah Sekolah Menengah Integrasi Teras Islam (SMITI) kini bawah pengurusan Pas. Apakah usaha menubuhkan sekolah Pendidikan Islam tiada makna langsung? Saya bukanlah pentaksub Pas, cuma saga ikuti perkembangannya. Dan dalam pilihan demokrasi di negara kita ini, saya tak nampak lagi pilihan parti lain yang boleh membawa Islam hatta kecil selain Pas. Pas pun banyak kekurangan. Tapi daripada memberi sokongan kepada parti yang tidak meletakkan Islan sebagai asas parti lebih baik saya sokong parti yang letakkan Islam sebagaj dasar perjuangan

@@ahmaduthman8801 Pada pandangan saya, PAS sebagai sebuah parti politik yang berlandaskan Islam telah hilang nilaipercaya/ "credibility" apabila Hadi membuat keputusan politik untuk bekerjasama dengan UMNO membela dua penjenayah iaitu Najib dan Zahid. Prinsip Islam kedua penting dalam Islam selepas Tauhid ialah keadilan. Kesahihan PAS sebagai sebuah parti Islam rosak akidahnya apabila ia tidak tahan ujian tahap keadilan murni. PAS telah tidak adil kepada prinsip akar Islam ini lalu masyarakat umum tidak lagi percaya dengan PAS. Maka dengan itu, sekali gus, PAS telah hilang kesahan (validity) nya sebagai sebuah parti Islam. PAS, bagi saya telah murtad. Ia perlu kembali kepada prinsip asal perjuangan (syahadah), iaitu berjuang atas akidah tauhid dan keadilan. Untuk ini berlaku, PAS perlu kekuatan dalaman yang teramat kuat iaitu kesedaran mutlak bahawa ia telah berdosa besar kepada amanah Allah. PAS perlu bertaubat nasuha dan memperbaharui syadahnya.

But the authority would have rejected..

if there is no heaven or hell then why should i obey man made laws? why should i work for my boss? why should i enrich my boss? if there is no heaven or hell then tell me the reason why i shouldnt rob a bank or rape rich bastard wife?

We should follow LKY

You’re making a distinction between religion and politics from the very beginning. They aren’t necessarily separate things. Politics is essentially governance. The question is, what is our worldview and approach when it comes to governance? Is it a particular religion, secularism or what? The answer to that question is: whatever the state chooses. Religions, secularism, state atheism are all examples of worldviews. The government picks one of them to guide its governance. Most governments pick secularism today, but one can also pick islam as the state worldview as well. To expand on this, secularists try to make it seem as if secularism is the default worldview and that it is neutral, while religion is supposedly biased. They say secularism is simply separating religion from politics. This is wrong however. Secularism is not neutral and it is a worldview, just like any other worldview. It replaces other worldviews and makes itself supreme over the state, and marginalises the religions. There is a lot more that can be said about this, but I’ll leave it at that for now

Lol, cry more, funny he thinks his opinion gonna change anything, go back to irrelevancy you delusional weak victim minded rat, Politics is based on religion, Secularism is a materialistic religion as itself, most corrupt countries in Africa are secular to teeth and see how they are doing, the survival of the fittest is what dictates dominance, that's why Islam is still above other erratic / unstable /weak ideologies and other Neo-religions that don't have a political perspective to them

if there is no heaven or hell then why should i obey man made laws? why should i work for my boss? why should i enrich my boss? if there is no heaven or hell then tell me the reason why i shouldnt rob a bank or rape rich bastard wife?

@@daaaxo8583 all first world countries are secular tho

@@braderaku No, they are deeply religious, have you seen the Republicans and the USA? Plus don't compare Colonialist powers that robbed the world and give it as a win for a secularism, it's actually a shame

@@daaaxo8583 not true bruh. You call USA religious but Africa secular lmao

That’s the most oft-repeated train of thought today, and is far from reality. Secularism isn’t just the removal of religion from state functioning, but it is the imposition of secularism as a worldview over the state, such that people are shackled by secular laws and religions suppressed. If I were to ask that secularism be a personal choice and that communities should get the option to choose, this will not be accepted by any state today. Secularism is not neutral but the imposition of a specific ideology over the state. Each state has a worldview- that is inescapable. Let’s not get confused by the mirage that makes it seem as if secularism is neutrality when it is very much an imposing force over the entirety of society. To give an example, in a secular state, a muslim community could never get the permission to govern themselves with islamic law amongst themselves. Secularism intrudes on these people’s lives and is not a choice- it is imposed. However, in islam, a religious community has the option to rule amongst themselves with their own law, something secularism would never permit. This is just a small example but the general idea I’m hoping to convey is that secularism shouldn’t be treated as if its a separator between religion and state, or that it prevents religion from influencing the state- rather, it causes the state to influence people’s religion. There will always be a state worldview, no matter how much people try to blur this reality.

I migrated to a western country 36 years ago where state and religion are kept separate. I have never felt that secularism have in any way imposed a specific ideology over the state or taken to a microscopic level, my life. Whereas, when I was living in Malaysia, I felt it every day. Even as I write, the issue with the single mother and the children’s conversion. If you look at it, the ‘ideology’ you mentioned is applicable to whatever chosen way a country decides to follow. In my adopted country, the Muslim community of which is growing, live in peace, practising their own religion in their own community without interfering with other communities and neither are they imposing each other’s belief on each other. The Christian community, likewise, although having their own political parties are treated like all other political parties. The LGBTQ community have their own say. What I am trying to articulate is religion should be a personal choice and each should have their own say on how they choose to relate to their God. It should not and must not be mandated esp so when it crosses religious boundaries. I know, this is a utopian wish for Malaysians, however given the situation in Malaysia, it is going to get worse unless the nation wakes up to herself and creates change. How many advance countries you know have religion and state meshed? I can name a multitude of developing or worse, failed countries, that have religion and state bedded together.

just learn from thailand and Indonesia with no official religion.

We have seen potent results of religion intertwined with politics, not just Islamic countries, Israel too

​@@ish8891secularism doesn't suppress religion, rather it treats them all the same or accorded the same respect if you wish. What is controlled is the imposition of religion in state matters and public life. Secularism isn't just about freedom of religion, which we do have to a certain degree here, but also freedom from religion. You can be all religious if you want, just keep it personal, to you, to your family members if they wish to join you or your friends or members of the community.

if there is no heaven or hell then why should i obey man made laws? why should i work for my boss? why should i enrich my boss? if there is no heaven or hell then tell me the reason why i shouldnt rob a bank or rape rich bastard wife?

@@kazumakiryuu2668 that one is law on earth, u living here now, when u go to heaven or hell u follow la the law there, u dont come into my house following ur law, correct

@@kingkong6729 >>>>>that one is law on earth, u living here now, when u go to heaven or hell u follow la the law there, u dont come into my house following ur law, correct hello brother. Malaysia law is a man made law. I stole 1 billion and I can escape the law. The law bend to my will because I’m rich. If I rape your wife and Daugther then good luck proving me guilty in court. 🤣🤣🤣 I buy the police, inspector, detective, hire the best defence lawyer, I buy the judge 🤣🤣🤣 Assuming punishment of hell doesn’t exists.

This I do not agree

@@kazumakiryuu2668 u got mental problem is it, always quoting rape as an example.

Delusion, Leave Malaysia and go create your childish utopia and worldview with your silly fallacies, Islam is above time, it's not a 7th century or 21st, it's an expression of the inception of time, from the beginning of the Big Bang itself, from the earliest man, that's why us Muslim you will never see us say Islam started with Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) but it was a religion from the treaty of history, from Jesus (PBUH) to Moses (PBUH) to others, your childish strawmen of Islam just show your lack of honesty and shows severe jealousy and anger, go cry elsewhere and leave us Muslim alone and living rent from in your irrational boxed head

@@daaaxo8583 irrational boxed head? Like death for apostasy in Islam? Throwing gays off of buildings or child marriage. Yeah dude, legitimacy isn’t something oozing out of Islam. There are many points it loses by a common sense test.

@@macktheripper7454 Lol, I'm tired of hearing the same boring recycled phrases, grow up and mature already, stop being like an emotional child, your moralistic fallacies and strawmen and lies are futile with me, I can personally debunk all the statements that you said in a minute, but I'm tired doing so, google is free , the first page, would debunk this recycled 18th missionaries arguments, seriously sophisticate yourself already, ur comically pathetic

@@daaaxo8583 you can “debunk” what he said? Go ahead, genius, debunk your “prophet” who fuck a little girl and said that was correct. Go ahead, genius. Debunk that.

if there is no heaven or hell then why should i obey man made laws? why should i work for my boss? why should i enrich my boss? if there is no heaven or hell then tell me the reason why i shouldnt rob a bank or rape rich bastard wife?