How Do You Know The Bible is True? 

brianpaxtonPT YES!

I’m pretty sure that joe Rogan only gets guests that his corporate sponsors desire him to have .

for sure

Jeff would smash joe easily

Still waiting on it

I read Harry Potter and that opened my understanding. Praise be to the wizards

Taksman I think you’d get more from watching dr Craig’s videos on morality. His are what I agree with most, so since he’s a PHD in philosophy, you’d glean more info and cogent thoughts from him.

Taksman I mean, our thoughts are shaped by who we read and where the logic follows. My thoughts tend to align with his, as it seems most logical to me in what I’ve experienced so far in life. Maybe as new information is gathered that will change, but for now I agree with him. Good day

so when did you prove gods existance to then use that to follow his morality rules?

Well, since there's no evidence of any objective morality, and even within the Christian worldview there isn't any either, I don't get why you think there's a creator.

Morality is a fluid system changing with the zeitgeist of the time. The Ten Commandments start with thou shalt not kill and right off the bat the supposed author of this is guilty of genocide

This question deserved a way better answer than the one Jeff gave. "We could dive into the history and the prophecy and the archeology and all that, and trust me it would all be great and answer the question you actually asked! But instead I'm going to skirt around the subject for 9 minutes and conclude with 'im right because it wouldn't be possible for me to be wrong.'"

⁠@@acebailey2478I think once you understand the real place of God in it all he makes perfect sense, that without the Father nothing makes sense.

@@elijahgoodrich8523 I'm not quite sure what that means. How does one find the "real place of God in it all?"

the truth.. the bible ♥️

Good question. I think he would say because the evidential and theological reasons include presup. And presup (impossibility of the contrary) is the best reason there is. Jason Lisle argued in his books, presup is "the ultimate proof" of creation, etc. Also, presup is still the minority position among apologists. So think Jeff is advocating the presup is the way to go with our unbelieving friends.

I think the problem with the argument is it focused mostly on replying to the atheist. But most non believers are not atheists. So there are books written to apply presup to RC, and nominal believers, and cults etc.

But you see, this is where the "true" God comes in

His arguments only work vs true atheists and Mormons and Jehovah's witness. He wouldn't debate anyone else cause there isn't anything to debate.

If God does not exist, is Jeff wrong for doing that?

Here is some practical evidence that points to the Bible being true and trustworthy. There have been over one thousand Bible prophecies literally fulfilled, 258 concerning the birth, life, ministry and death of Jesus Christ alone, and over 100 scientific facts in the Bible most of which were found in the book of Genesis (first book of the Bible) written over three thousand years ago, which weren't "discovered" by the scientists of the world until the last 500 years. If you made one of these scientific discoveries, you'd be in textbooks all around the world, and if you made four or five, you'd be in the scientist's hall of fame, along with Isaac Newton, Leonardo Da Vinci, and Albert Einstein. But whoever wrote the Bible made over 100 of these scientific declarations, to go along with the 1,000 fulfilled prophecies. So, since the Bible in literally hundreds of place claims to be written by God, you must come to this conclusion; either God DID write the Bible, or some liar did. What makes more sense; some liar is by far, the greatest prophet ever and by far the greatest scientist ever, or God is indeed the author of the Bible? Just one of these scientific declarations in scripture is found in the very first verse of the Bible; "In the beginning, God created the heavens, and the earth... said 'let there be light.'" Einstein back in about 1920 said, that matter, space, energy, and time itself all had a beginning. That is precisely what God says in Genesis chapter one; "In the beginning (reference to time having a beginning) God created the heavens, (space) and the earth (matter) and said, "Let there be light." (energy)

@@bartycrouch312 Why should he not be wrong for doing that?

@@Dragumix Because if God were not real and the Bible untrue, then there would be no reason to morally or ethically oppose anything. Moral indignation is only possible if one believes that there is a standard of what is right, which no other worldview can account for.

@@thebird483 "Moral indignation is only possible if one believes that there is a standard of what is right, which no other worldview can account for." - I don't think so. First of all, why couldn't any other god or godess, should they exist, create a moral standard like allegedly the Christian god does? In all of these cases (including the Christian standard) it's still questionable if these moral standards would be objective or subjective. I tend to say that they would be subjective. Furthermore, also people who don't believe in a god have certain moral standards that they follow. Also these moral standards are probably subjective and not objective. But you don't need deities to explain that they have certain moral standards. It could have been good for survival that societies had certain moral standards and not moral standards where it's totally permissible to kill your neighbor. Those societies would have probably died out very quickly.

It’s absolutely true because it’s contrary to you and calls you out on and out from your sins. But you deny God’s authority, so you can suppress your responsibility for moral accountability, to continue living a immoral life.

@@Jesus_Saves_66 The Quran is absolutely true because it’s contrary to you and calls you out on and out from your sins. But you deny Allah’s authority, so you can suppress your responsibility for moral accountability, to continue living a life contrary to Quran.

@@mattandkim17 really? Show me the commandments of Allah? Show me where Allah tells you to repent of your sins and call upon him for salvation? Show me where the quran states clearly that he is the god we’ve sinned against and the god who holds us accountable? Also, I would love to see what solution he has for sins and how he can help us overcome them 😊

@@Jesus_Saves_66 show me how it makes the Bible true by refuting Quran.

@@mattandkim17 please answer my questions - I’m waiting :) You brought the Quran into the conversation by trying to claim it as a truth source. So I’m waiting to see where it states what you have stated in your previous comment…

What?

@@AlejandroHernandez-wk9xe Can presups prove that, if the Bible weren't true, it would not be possible to reason?

@@JMUDoc bro go back and watch the video again you missed the whole point the dude was making. Basically if you think we have come from nothing but rocks and everything is just matter and energy then laws of non contradiction don’t matter or are even real since this universe is only the physical. Maybe I put that bad but just watch the vid he says it way better than me

Also quantum mechanics dismantles materialism and points to a god

@@AlejandroHernandez-wk9xe "bro go back and watch the video again you missed the whole point the dude was making. Basically if you think we have come from nothing but rocks and everything is just matter and energy then laws of non contradiction don’t matter or are even real since this universe is only the physical." I believe that everything is matter in motion _acting in accordance with the laws of logic and physics._

Koine Greek original documents are the most accurate documents we have. I'd start there and then translate from there. Honestly, I just use NIV, ESV, and NKJV for studying different interpretation. I sincerely hope this helps you and God bless you!!

crisofer954 the witness was an atheist so cannot know if the suspected committed the crime or cause can't have truth without God, case dismissed pending rear naked choke

@@dallassmith8854 Why can't we have truth without God?

Lol sounds good 2 me lol

This is a MUCH better argument than Jeff’s.

Love Voddie’s teachings

I loved that video by Voddie!!

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I pray that God would reveal himself to you then

How do I distinguish between God revealing himself to me and just some random emotional experience?

@@emileshlemon4550 Ground it upon revelation. That's how.

Ikr

Actually, ATheism is the LACK of a world view. All that you identify with "ATheism, a world view" is the possible aftermath !!!OF!!! ATheism. For a very likely example, Saecular-Humanism. Babees are born with a brain, which is yet to develop the capability of fabricating Theism let alone any other world view - they are the purest thinkable example of ATheists. I have experienced a lot of anger from Theists, by JUST stating the obvious. Did you know, that some of them tried to ridicule me by saying "if babees are ATheist, then so are stones and dogs" but they are actually totally ignorant about the greek root of the word: A Theist is a ***person*** and an ATheist is a ***person*** too, and the "A" is on this occasion just an alpha privativum, which indicates "without". Kindest regards from GERMANY!

Kason Kedersha what’s wrong with inconsistencies in your worldview?

Looks like you weren’t paying attention.

I guess you weren't paying attention the day they did the "brain fizz" lecture!

You know he doesn't mean literal fizzing like a soda. Why not come up with an actual substantive argument instead?

The cell theory of Biology is considered to be the backbone of Biology it states that the cell is the smallest fundamental unit of life and that all cells came from pre existing cells. This is most certainly a fact. Nowhere in the natural world has a scientist ever documented the spontaneous generation of one single cell from non living material. It doesn't happen ANYWHERE!!! In spite of this fact there are many highly educated people who have gone to great lengths trying to convince us that all of life on this planet is the result of chemicals spontaneously generating into cells which over the course of billions of years developed into male and female species of extremely complex living organisms...THAT IS ABSURD!!! The evidence for God is all around us. You're not really atheists you're delusional

@@MisterItchy The cell theory of Biology is considered to be the backbone of Biology it states that the cell is the smallest fundamental unit of life and that all cells came from pre existing cells. This is most certainly a fact. Nowhere in the natural world has a scientist ever documented the spontaneous generation of one single cell from non living material. It doesn't happen ANYWHERE!!! In spite of this fact there are many highly educated people who have gone to great lengths trying to convince us that all of life on this planet is the result of chemicals spontaneously generating into cells which over the course of billions of years developed into male and female species of extremely complex living organisms...THAT IS ABSURD!!! The evidence for God is all around us. You're not really atheists you're delusional

Is your profile pic the Parisian Catacombs? Mine is and it's similar

@@nathanielgrey4091 Nope, mine is from a classical painting by Rephael, Not sure wich one now...

@@mr.pontifex7595 Pyramid of Skulls by Cezanne.

What do you mean by this?

Why would you rather have God's version? I'm curious. I'd rather just know the truth. The amoeba issue doesn't bother me. In fact, it's even more awesome than a god doing anything.

So let’s go with the more romanticized story. That sounds logical.

Wouldn't you just rather know the truth instead of living in blissful ignorance?

@@HuxtableK if your "consciousness" is just some chemicals fizzing, then "you" don't even exist. even if you are something like a soul and not just your body, if you cease to exist at any point, you might as well never have existed in the first place (from your own perspective). and if everyone in existence will eventually cease to exist, then nothing exists. nothing can exist without eternity. the original is God and has no beginning and no end. if God has a beginning, then where did he come from? if God has an end, then he needs a beginning. God is eternal, God created us. we have a beginning, but God can take away our end and grant us eternal life.

@@supersilverhazeroker Our consciousness appears to just be a product of the brain. Damage the brain, or change the chemical makeup of the brain, and you change your personality pretty heavily. Take away the brain, no more You. No soul. Sure, once I am gone, I'm gone forever. Just like with literally everyone else, just like with every individual life to have ever lived on the planet, human or otherwise. Everyone who ever lives will eventually cease to exist. Yes. Life is temporal. But no, it's not that nothing exists. Not sure where you got that from. "Nothing can exist without eternity" - Where did you get that? Your god has no beginning and no end because he isn't real. Imaginary beings have no actual traits in reality.

Exactly

The cell theory of Biology is considered to be the backbone of Biology it states that the cell is the smallest fundamental unit of life and that all cells came from pre existing cells. This is most certainly a fact. Nowhere in the natural world has a scientist ever documented the spontaneous generation of one single cell from non living material. It doesn't happen ANYWHERE!!! In spite of this fact there are many highly educated people who have gone to great lengths trying to convince us that all of life on this planet is the result of chemicals spontaneously generating into cells which over the course of billions of years developed into male and female species of extremely complex living organisms...THAT IS ABSURD!!! The evidence for God is all around us. You're not really atheists you're delusional

@@tw2800 Personal incredulity and god of the gaps. Just because we don't understand every aspect of it, does not mean that your god did it. The same thing happened with the rain cycle and lightning, and neurological diseases. If your god created life, the scientific method will point to that fact. But until it does, or, some other explanation is discovered through research, we will use the intellectually honest answer of "we don't know". But if you have a better hypothesis of how abiogenesis happened, do the experiments, write the papers, and pass peer-review. At that point you can go claim your Nobel prize. I won't be holding my breath, though.

The volume button can generally be found on the keyboard or the side of your phone. :)

+Apologia Studios you can take my evaluation seriously or you can mock me

+Kason Kedersha I think Jeff's argument presents more of an argument for generic theism than biblical authority. This is just a starting point, which he states. The historical accuracy of the new testament documents present, at least to me, the most compelling physical evidence of the truth of the bible. Is that what you're asking? If you look at biblical scholars and historians such as Gary Habermas, Michael Licona, NT Wright, and Paul Maier, all will point to the historical accuracy of the NT documents and the truth of the resurrection. Even most secular scholars will agree of the historical accuracy of the gospels being ancient biographies, rather than legend. If the NT is true, you get the OT as Jesus references it as authoritative. This is, of course, arguing from an evodentialist perspective. Jeff is a presuppositionalist.

+zymbo The question of if you can know the Bible is true was not answered in this video. I know the Bible is true. But I was interested in hearing Jeff's perspective of this question and was unimpressed. I'm fine that he is a pre suppositionalist but he didn't answer the question from his worldview. He only explained the need for some kind of standard for truth, which he calls "God". All this does is show gaps in the atheistic worldview. This doesn't answer the question of if the Bible is true at all.

What is the "ATheistic world view"?

Yes, all he's doing is moving the goalposts. "God is the source of all truth and logic" is just an assertion. It has no more validity than asserting _the complete opposite_ - 'What we call truth and logic are simply the most reliable methods our somewhat evolved brains deploy to deal with reality.' But what CAN be said with absolute confidence is that God will not intervene in any meaningful today, tomorrow, or the next day. I can make that prediction based on reality, they can only respond with _"Well, God did all the impressive stuff thousands of years ago.."_ when there was no scientific means to analyze, record or preserve these supernatural interventions. How convenient.

@@BScott7220 well friend you seem to be forgetting one thing. In Christ all things hold together, the whole universe including you is held by Him. Colossians 1:17. You are dust. Why because God made Adam out of dust and God breathed the breath of life in his nostrils and Adam became a living soul. And you came from the loins of Adam like the rest of human race. Genesis 2:7. Don't you know the only reason you are able to take your next breath is only because God allows you to. He holds our soul in life the Scripture says. Psalms 66:9. In Him we live we move we have our being. Read that few times let it sink in. Acts 17:28. People that do not believe in God are without excuse, because they suppress the truth in wickedness, and because that which is known about God is evident within them, for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Romans 1:18-21. You should read V22-32also. Sinners do not want to believe in God, because they love their sins. And by the way, if God would set His heart on it, If He would gather to Himself His Spirit and His breath, All flesh would perish together, And man would return to dust. Job. 34:14-15. FYI, God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. You want evidence that He is active today. Well He is judging America and many other western nations, just read Romans 1:18-32, and you will know He is not just the God of the past, and His judgment is just going to intensify day by day until He makes all His enemies which are all unbelievers as His footstool put under His foot. Hebrews 10:13. I hope you have bowed your knee to Him as your Lord and Savior, if not I encourage you do it now, otherwise you are going to die and after that judgment. Hebrews 9:27.

@@Jeremiah17910 so you combat the assertion thing by listing a paragraph of more assertions and outright lies - good job. i have NEVER beleived in a god so"Sinners do not want to believe in God, because they love their sins" is MEANINGLESS - sin doesnt exist - it is a method to control you. I dont love sin - because sin DOESNT EXIST

It looks like nobody was able to help you with that project because of course, there are no such sources. Most everything in the bible is pure fantasy and pure rubbish, self-contradictory and illogical.

Based upon the definition of a historical fact, then Yes, Jeff is correct.

@@PilgrimNinja No, because it hasn't happened.

@@PilgrimNinja please provide the evidence to back this BS up

The cell theory of Biology is considered to be the backbone of Biology it states that the cell is the smallest fundamental unit of life and that all cells came from pre existing cells. This is most certainly a fact. Nowhere in the natural world has a scientist ever documented the spontaneous generation of one single cell from non living material. It doesn't happen ANYWHERE!!! In spite of this fact there are many highly educated people who have gone to great lengths trying to convince us that all of life on this planet is the result of chemicals spontaneously generating into cells which over the course of billions of years developed into male and female species of extremely complex living organisms...THAT IS ABSURD!!! The evidence for God is all around us. You're not really atheists you're delusional

@@tw2800 There is only one group that's delusuonal: christians and other religious people. You're talking about abiogenesis. Although just a hypothesis, it has more validity than "god did it." There is no evidence your god actually exists.

The cell theory of Biology is considered to be the backbone of Biology it states that the cell is the smallest fundamental unit of life and that all cells came from pre existing cells. This is most certainly a fact. Nowhere in the natural world has a scientist ever documented the spontaneous generation of one single cell from non living material. It doesn't happen ANYWHERE!!! In spite of this fact there are many highly educated people who have gone to great lengths trying to convince us that all of life on this planet is the result of chemicals spontaneously generating into cells which over the course of billions of years developed into male and female species of extremely complex living organisms...THAT IS ABSURD!!! The evidence for God is all around us. You're not really atheists you're delusional

The question that Jeff is raising is WHERE do your ethics come from? You say that it's just biological fact, and that we all agree on rules to avoid harming one another. Wouldn't that be nice, if that was the consistent human experience. You and I both could talk for days about certain societies that all got together and agreed on a "code of conduct" that hurt a lot of people. So absolute standards of ethics don't actually come from us "agreeing on rules" together, because there has never been a consistent set of rules that people have just naturally employed. It's just people's own inner moral compasses arguing against another. And why should anybody care about somebody else's moral compass, more than their own? The Christian worldview can account for an absolute code of ethics - God says this, and not that. God commands this, and not that. You can actually have ABSOLUTE right and wrongs in the Christian worldview because we are under the Sovereign - God tells us what is right and wrong as His creations and how we ought to act. So when we see rape, murder, and all forms of abuse we can say that is OBJECTIVELY wrong. The consistent atheist not only can't say that, but won't - go ask a studied atheist if their is objective good and evil. The atheistic worldview has no ultimate argument for anything to be right or wrong. The universe, human experience, everything - to them, is just the result of pure entropy. Chaos. Matter and motion. If everything is matter and motion, then them appealing to immaterial constructs like logic, ethics, rationality, etc. is them BORROWING from the Christian worldview, because in their worldview those concepts are just subjective ways that humans experience the world.

@@IcyJuggernog ah so that explains why prisons are full of about 95% believers then.....

Good sir, where ever did your evidence for ‘prisons being full of about 95% believers’ come from? Just curious.

tglu87 name one

tglu87 actually what Jeff is saying is 100% spot on we are too stupid to understand what truth is

@@YTTraveler777 funny how people hurl general comments around like that and have no actual example.

He did, the Bible is true, because it's impossible to know if anything is true without God, it's the impossibility of the contrary argument, so you wouldn't know if it's true as an atheist. Revelational epistemology.

@@palerity6320 Are you presupposing there is a god to make that argument? And, are you also assuming this god would be _your_ god? Also, it's likely, an honest _athiest_ (athiesm isn't about anything other than the lack of belief in a god or gods) would say they don't have absolute certainty that it's false, but they are not convinced it's true.

@@slivyo Right, agnostic athiest; I just say atheist as short hand because I don't assume most are gnostic when it comes to atheism. I assume by, "To athiest, there's no reason for anything," that you are suggesting an atheist lacks an absolute reason for anything such as knowing something good from bad because it is predetermined and not up for debate. In the thiest case, this is because a god decides what's good and bad, and they are eternal (in most cases... all cases... I don't really know). I would say you are not far off, and if you add the belief in evolution, we only care because it aided in survival and being unaware of the origin makes it seem like a common decency sort of thing, though if you believe in a god, chances are you have disagreements or fully disagree with the theory of evolution. I can only work with what I have (assumptions, I know) , which seems to start with my mind, and I say that knowing it is a debated subject. It is not intuitive that it is connected to my body, though I at least feel in control of my body except for when I'm tired (never got drunk or did drugs). Now, due to my limited perspective and with the unforgettable thought that my _life_ will end and my senses as well as my mind will be destroyed or fall apart, I happen to care what happens to me, even if it equals zero or less in the end. And, whether it is from my brain or because of how species evolved, I have something humans call empathy. Whether I like it or not, I feel an urge to understand a person and relate to them, happy, sad, angry, etc. You don't have to honor anything that lead equaled the peow who are _alive_ being here today, but for good reason or not, there are people who may try to stop you from behaving or acting in certain ways. I only question something if it feels wrong, I may copy what my friends do, but if it comes to jumping off a bridge, my fear of heights may overcome any peer pressure to do as they do in that instance. I'd say that if you developed feelings that created division, and people who wanted to bring us together still existed, you would look for ways to challenge them, whether through debate, activism, or maybe even violence. It seems that when you can treat other people as different, you don't see yourself in them and it makes their feelings irrelevant to a small or high degree. Me saying good or bad is relative to what my goals are, again, whether they are for a _real_ reason or not. Of course they seem man-made, I don't know where else they would've come from, but that's another assumption. I don't think we have rights, just the feeling that we should have them, and in the past and even today, people fight in all sorts of ways to maintain and gain even more rights while other try to strip those rights away as well and create more restrictions on rights. They likely serve some purpose, though, it may just be to achieve your goal no matter how vague or specific. Again, I can't for you are right or wrong for certain, as I appear limited in my knowledge if I have any, and if we disagreed, I would have to decide whether I was wrong, you were wrong, or that we had different goals in mind. You appear right, in the end, if we do what you want or we do what I want, it may not really matter (in the end). You appear to be right again, reason appears to give meaning, even if it is something like working just to feed yourself, what kind of life might that be... I ask the same question, "Why, and how?" "Can I say I know anything if I do not know everything?" It is a big question, and as much as I'd like to know, I may never find out. As much as that seems meaningless, I enjoy doing things that feel meaningful to me. I like to watch and read about things I'm interested in, politics and religion being two things I am interested in, and... at this moment in time I do not believe in a god; it doesn't appear to match with what I think I know about everything.

@@slivyo I understand, and I would hope I did not come off as rude. Disagree or not, I am not here seeking enemies, only conversation on what I understand and the person replying understands. I wanted to fully express how I operate philosophically when dealing with the idea of meaning in life as well as how I act regardless of whether or not I have absolute truth. Anything I said was in reply to your questions sprinkled throughout what you wrote in your comment. Now, regardless of how everything came to be, I am atheistic in my beliefs on god as the idea of a god does not appear to match with the reality that I understand. I am not ruling a god out, but I won't accept just anything, though I figure anything that would convince me would be out of my control as I do not choose what makes sense, but I do seek answers to questions I have that are unanswered or that I forgot the answer to. Even if I believed a being created everything, in the deistic or theistic sense, I would not be able to consider the Bible as a reliable source of information. Assuming that's the god that most people I go back and forth with believe in either agnostically or gnostically, it appears in our observation of the planet, using the remnants of the past, there are stories in the Bible that do not all line up. I imagine if the new testament authors had written the old testament, they would have changed the character of God to be less war-like, and possibly more just and/or merciful as well as untempted.

@@slivyo Are you even trying to meet me where I am at?

Because sinners suppress the truth in unrighteousness. People know God exists, but they love their sins more so that they come up with all these crazy theories just to suppress their conscience and deceive themselves into thinking that God will not hold them accountable for their sins against Him and against His creation. So God in His mercy has raised up these apologists and people who speak the truth so that unbelievers will be called to repentance and believe in Jesus Christ as the One who died for the sin of the world so that mankind may be reconciled to God.

No, because from an athiest perspective, there is the possibility that nothing is actually real. I've heard atheist come to say that there is the possibility that we are all just brains in a vat. Physicality does not prove reality from an atheist perspective.

There are truths one can know without starting with the Bible, moral ones included. It's probably a messier road to take (when you're open to a broad range of perspectives/experiences) & confusing but you and I are magnificent creatures and we have this curious gift bestowed upon us; that we can learn and grow with experience. We also live in a time where we have greater access to information, which can be an asset as well as a liability, because (and I may just be speaking for myself) we're not used to thinking/deciding independently. We may seek guidance. Whose guidance do we choose? There are the traditional powers/authorities like the church & governments, more modern ones like science.. Authority needs to be questioned. Although they may be right a lot of the time and they may provide a lot of expertise on matters, they don't have all the perspectives ever & they can make mistakes or have agendas which influence their version of the truth, which is claimed to be universal.

An upside to science is their methods, which try & weed out personal error and easy assumptions. As I read somewhere else; some people think they're doing independent research when they actually choose/belief in a predetermined theory & then select the evidence that fits their theory or beliefs, instead of the other way around...to find a theory that best fits/supports the evidence. If you make a claim about reality/truth, you have to support it with evidence/observations that can be reproduced. I'm not saying you shouldn't ever believe what you've been told or being told, because we are all limited and we need others to grow and learn, but be aware of the source of your information & see what's been done to ensure its being independent. Do your own critical thinking/debate with different sorts of people. Independent isn't the same as perfect, however, so faults can still be made. Anyway, I don't know if this is of any use to you, but that's my two cents. Great day to you!

For you to know what is true, you need to assume God. An Atheist assumes God by saying 'that is a car' as they are acknowledging Logical Laws which are transcendent of time, space and matter. It is not a matter of 'can' an atheist know truth--rather, how does an Atheist justify any truth without God.

powerfully interesting.

I'm confused

Jaylor 116 3:04

exactly.

They're tautologies. How do you know that accurate statements about the actual state of affairs are accurate statements about the actual state of affairs? Because inaccurate statements about the actual state of affairs are not accurate statements about the actual state of affairs. I don't agree with the answer though.

Does absolute truth exist? If time + matter + chance has produced your brain, then truth as an absolute category no longer exists, because truth by nature is absolute. Time is changing, matter is changing, chance is changing. You never have them staying the same, so truth as an absolute category no longer exists, and if this is correct, then how do you know it is true that time + matter + chance has produced your brain? How do you know anything is true? What's your basis for ethics, the universal laws of logic, induction, and the uniformity in nature? I'll wait...

Purely Presbyterian Nice.

Translation. The bible is true because the bible says so.

@@Korandon That’s actually not it at all.

@@TurrettiniPizza Ok. The second part is it's ability to convince people. But that's also a thin reed since you can convince people into all sorts of foolishness.

@@Korandon Here’s a breakdown of the argument in basic form. P. 1. That book which displays divine attributes exceeding human capacity is of divine origin. P. 2. The Bible displays divine attributes exceeding human capacities. C. The Bible is of divine origin. This is a linear argument, not a circular one.

The cell theory of Biology is considered to be the backbone of Biology it states that the cell is the smallest fundamental unit of life and that all cells came from pre existing cells. This is most certainly a fact. Nowhere in the natural world has a scientist ever documented the spontaneous generation of one single cell from non living material. It doesn't happen ANYWHERE!!! In spite of this fact there are many highly educated people who have gone to great lengths trying to convince us that all of life on this planet is the result of chemicals spontaneously generating into cells which over the course of billions of years developed into male and female species of extremely complex living organisms...THAT IS ABSURD!!! The evidence for God is all around us. You're not really atheists you're delusional

roundEarth360 that's because your onion unbeliever if you went and actually checked out the historical records and all the different eras we actually do it everybody who's been atheist who is trying to debunk the Bible that has failed because the Bible is got so much truth to it there's been countless Bible prophecies and predictions have been coming through and coming true and there's more to come yeah good luck with that because truth is truth Jesus is the truth and so is his word his word no never contradict his character ever

@@nickjaramillo9688 What "historical records"? We know of at least 20 first century writers and historians and none of them mention any part of Jesus's birth, life, death, or resurrection. There are no non-biblical, first century, eye-witness accounts of any part of the Jesus story. What is your best and most convincing prophecy or prediction that has already come true. What prophecy do you expect to come true?

@@timames2238 there was 40 writers of the Bible the Bible was written, by the Holy Spirit inspired from the Holy Spirit was also God through these writers 40 of them through a span of 1,500 years, three different languages and in Parables, every one of them coming out with the exact same events you won't find out in any other history book, The Bible's been proven over and over again historical facts it's God's work God's truth, and they have the same events it affirms at self you got a lot to learn brother

@@timames2238 you know what the hell you're talking about there's 500 key eyewitnesses everything back in those days was written down they didn't have internet back then idiots, but look it up look it up everything was written down back then 500g eyewitnesses right before Jesus ascended to the father you don't know very many thing about anything you don't have to run your mouth and spread lies and in and totally twist the scripture but you don't know what actual truth is because you don't know the truth I do cuz I know Jesus personally

@@timames2238 you obviously don't know what eschatology in eschatology means,? Eschatology and Bible prophecy line up perfectly with scripture and have been the Bible's been 100% accurate in every prophecy and I'm still more to come

As a Christian, I believe that what Jeff said is true, but it's an incomplete answer. Like you, I don't think his answer will satisfy anyone BUT believers. Atheists will likely accuse him of circular reasoning and though, like you said, his answer may argue for intelligent design, they'll want to know which "intelligence" we're talking about here. It's a good start, but it needs to go MUCH further. It's not a question that can be answered in a nine-minute video. Perhaps there's more.

+ThingsAreToughAllOver This was a Q and A session. Hours could be spent a have been spent on a fuller explication. We have hours of Jeff's talks on this channel as well as days worth of discussion on Apologiaradio.com. ;)

You might start by comparing the religions. It doesn't necessarily require an exhaustive study, just the basic foundations. For example, some of the things that you will find in religions are pantheistic beliefs which say that God inhabits every object in the world and thus everything is equally valuable. I once heard a Christian challenge a pantheist on this belief by asking if a piece of grass was just as valuable as her own child? The pantheist began to stutter and stumble over her own words at this point. Another thing that you will find in some religions is the claim that truth is relative - that people have their own individual truths. You might ask a person of such religious belief if child rape could ever be okay according to personal truth. If the answer is no, they are appealing to an objective moral truth that must come from an objective moral source. In Islam, you may ask the Muslim who their Koran says Jesus is. They will say a prophet. You may ask them why Jesus in the Koran is so much greater and more miraculous than prophet Muhammad, yet Muhammad gets worshipped. Then tell them what the bible says of Jesus. Basically, compare the religious claims against that of the bible and see which is more logical. Then you can point to things like fulfilled prophecy in the bible that has been verified historically. God doesn't require we know ALL of that stuff to be good Christian witnesses, but those are good places to go. At the end of it all, you'd point to the logical difference separating the Christian God from all others: All other religions require good works to outweigh past sins - to work one's way to paradise. But in a manmade court of law, can you be let go from your murder or rape charge if you feed enough poor people? If yes, that wouldn't be justice. Other religions think you can just work the sin off. God, knowing that such a thing wouldn't be fair justice took the fair punishment for everybody as our substitute on the cross. The Christian God is the only one that offers such an objective and impartial standard of crime, punishment and pardon.

+Apologia Studios Shabbat Shalom and thanks for doing the work of the ministry. There is so much evidence of scripture. Such as giants and the enclosed non globe earth. Also, historical information matches scripture. Yes, the Scripture is self authoritative because absolute truth is self authoritative. Otherwise, we can't know anything. Colossians 1:16-17, John 14:6, 8:32. Deuteronomy 13:1-5.

My feeling exactly. This guy Durbin is dis-ingenuous . He just jumps from a great pre-sup point to the God of the Bible. The answer to the whole conundrum is an Open Panentheistic Cosmic Mind-God. Not a god that suggests that everything in the KJV is absolutely correct.

Exactly

we should add that this pastor knows NOTHING about science

I'm reading through it right now.

@@ThePaulKM is it good/worth reading??

It lies about all this. Lee Strobel is a charlatan. All the arguments in his books are deceitful and misleading on purpose. It's all a sham.

The cell theory of Biology is considered to be the backbone of Biology it states that the cell is the smallest fundamental unit of life and that all cells came from pre existing cells. This is most certainly a fact. Nowhere in the natural world has a scientist ever documented the spontaneous generation of one single cell from non living material. It doesn't happen ANYWHERE!!! In spite of this fact there are many highly educated people who have gone to great lengths trying to convince us that all of life on this planet is the result of chemicals spontaneously generating into cells which over the course of billions of years developed into male and female species of extremely complex living organisms...THAT IS ABSURD!!! The evidence for God is all around us. You're not really atheists you're delusional

@@tw2800 You are putting forth the good ol' "god of the gaps," which does not provide evidence of the existence a sentient, devine being. When we just don't know, it's OK to say we just don't know. My not knowing how Easter eggs ended up in the Easter basket is not proof of the existence of the Easter Bunny. 🐇

Then why watch it

Some people don’t grow up with a God. So no one can’t argue with the logic of people who make false assumptions. None of what you said is even accurate with what the video is. But typical atheist with their strawmans.

Seems that you didn’t even search for it and just ask, “what about the evidence” It’s like a dude who never seen grass asking for evidence of grass being green yet they don’t go outside to look. 🤦‍♂️

Michael Kantanka it’s accurate

This is the pressupositional argument. Which is, no matter if they admit or not evidence. There's plenty of evidence for the bible.

@@tsapp2831 , what is the contemporary eyewitness outside the bible . That claims jesus rose from the dead ?

@@charlesboles9307 Flavius Josephus • Cornelius Tacitus • Suetonious • The Jewish Talmud

The cell theory of Biology is considered to be the backbone of Biology it states that the cell is the smallest fundamental unit of life and that all cells came from pre existing cells. This is most certainly a fact. Nowhere in the natural world has a scientist ever documented the spontaneous generation of one single cell from non living material. It doesn't happen ANYWHERE!!! In spite of this fact there are many highly educated people who have gone to great lengths trying to convince us that all of life on this planet is the result of chemicals spontaneously generating into cells which over the course of billions of years developed into male and female species of extremely complex living organisms...THAT IS ABSURD!!! The evidence for God is all around us. You're not really atheists you're delusional

@@tw2800 Thanks for your examples of dishonesty for god. _"The cell theory of Biology is considered to be the backbone of Biology"_ - *Obvious lie* _"In spite of this fact there are many highly educated people who have gone to great lengths trying to convince us that all of life on this planet is the result of chemicals spontaneously generating into cells which over the course of billions of years developed into male and female species of extremely complex living organisms."_ - *Amazing oversimplification and misrepresentation.* _"The evidence for God is all around us."_ - *And yet, when asked no one who makes this claim is able to properly support it.* _"You're not really atheists you're delusional"_ - *The irony of this statement is astounding. Claiming that other people are delusional by using a delusional claim... classic* The command not to lie again seems to not be taken seriously by another believer. How sad.

you seem to know much. are you a god?

What about it? It's called being a decent human being. Why does there always have to be some special meaning behind things? Good is good and bad is bad. Golden rule explains it all: Do unto others as you would have be done to you.

The cell theory of Biology is considered to be the backbone of Biology it states that the cell is the smallest fundamental unit of life and that all cells came from pre existing cells. This is most certainly a fact. Nowhere in the natural world has a scientist ever documented the spontaneous generation of one single cell from non living material. It doesn't happen ANYWHERE!!! In spite of this fact there are many highly educated people who have gone to great lengths trying to convince us that all of life on this planet is the result of chemicals spontaneously generating into cells which over the course of billions of years developed into male and female species of extremely complex living organisms...THAT IS ABSURD!!! The evidence for God is all around us. You're not really atheists you're delusional

@@tw2800 So if I understand your argument correctly, it is as such: "If we don't currently know the answer to how life first developed, that means that the answer is by default the specific god that I happen to believe in". Sigh. It was a flaccid argument back when people who didn't understand weather systems argued that the weather, good or bad, was due to the gods direct action and their moods. It was a flaccid argument back when people who didn't understand the existence of germs argued that illnesses had to be caused by evil spirits, devils and curses. It was a flaccid argument back when people who didn't understand sexual reproduction argued that the gods were the ones 'blessing' them by magically inserting children into the bodies of women. Yet, here we are, going around that same old tired track, the same story told over and over, of someone pointing to a gap in human knowledge and trying to flaccidly shoe-horn their god into that space. But that's fine. I'm sure as we learn yet more about abiogenesis and fill in those gaps, those determined to believe will find another of the ever-shrinking gaps in human knowledge to try to cram their god in next with empty, puerile notions, based on vaguely gesturing to things around them and shouting 'it's god!'. Much like apocalyptic preachers who keep 'getting the day of judgement wrong' and trying for yet another date going _'This_ time it's for real!' you are yet another person jumping on the latest gap of knowledge going 'Ah hah, _this_ time, this is the one! _This_ is the question that can _only_ be answered with supernatural intervention! _This_ time we've got it!' I wonder what gap you'll jump to next once we fill this one, or if you'll ever get over this silly game.

Explain how they are awful.

How do you know that George Washington was our first president?

@@that39warguy6 They are not logical. He presupposes that beings being the result of evolution can't think rationally. And he completely pretends that there are just to possibilities: either the Christian god exists or no god exists at all. But maybe the Christian god doesn't exist, but a different god or different gods.

You're right. But, of course, he has no interest in convincing atheists. This whole video is clearly just designed to make existing Christians feel good. To anyone who's an atheist, this is so stupid - and so _obviously_ wrong - that, if anything, it would make me _less_ likely to believe in his god than I was already. But I suppose that his audience loves stuff like this. At least, _some_ of them. And I suppose that's all that matters to him.

@farrex0 I’m curious. What do you mean by wanting to believe?

G’day mate, you should read Romans. The Apostle Paul says: “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse (Romans‬ ‭1:18-20‬ ‭ESV‬‬).” I believe you when you proclaim you don’t believe in God, I was there with you just over a year ago. But that’s because you suppress the truth you know in unrighteousness, in other words… your sinful heart deceives itself in rebellion against God. We are all without excuse because we know God, such truth is demonstrated in the way the unbeliever lives. Apart from God’s revelation. You cannot justify ethics, logical reasoning and much more. Neither can you tell me why you live the way you do, with the bottom line of your world view being we are objectively purposeless and evolved from bacteria that formed on a rock in space that came from nothing. We all suffer from the deception of our hearts in rebellion to God, but your conscience testifies to His law. You are without excuse, and I want you to repent and believe in Christ so that your sins are covered by God. I wouldn’t spend the time engaging you if I didn’t 💛.

​@@josephkusabs46 I actively looked for God for more than twenty years tho. My whole life revolved around it. Yet I never truly believed no matter how hard I tried to. I was 100% convinced it was the life I wanted to live. My whole life I felt guilt, like actual crippling guilt, because no matter how hard I tried I couldn't really experience God nor be free of doubt. I have never, in my entire 29 years of life experienced even for a day, what that bible quote says. I talked with every person I could on every topic I had doubt, I asked for everyone to pray for me so I could have faith. I felt broken the entire time. But when I finally decided to face my natural skepticism and look at it critically, I realized I simply couldn't. And when i decided to accept I simply didn't believe it, it was the most liberating feeling I have ever felt. It was like taking a huge weight off my shoulders. Now I have never been happier, and I am even a way better person that i was when i was a Christian. I do not sin, and try to help everyone as much as I can. I decided to be the best person I can be, because if there is no heaven, then it is our responsibility to bring heaven down to Earth. To help as many people we can, not because of sellfish desires such as going to heaven, but because it is the right thing to do. I simply do not believe, and there is absolutely nothing unrighteous about it. Believe is in no shape, way or form a moral act. Now I have no problem with people believing, I just simply can't live with cognitive dissonance. I just want people to be the best version of themselves, and to be honest with themselves. If you look into it and decide it is the truth, all the power to you. I simply couldn't, after more than twenty years. I will try and be the best person I can be, and if I die and turns out there is a God and said God decides I shall go to heaven or hell based on moral judgement, I will accept said judgement. But if said God instead of judging my morality, decides I shall go to hell for not worshipping him, then that is no God worthy of any worship.

@@farrex0 , when you claim it is our responsibility to bring heaven down to Earth and to not give in to our naturally selfish impulses because it is the right thing to do - I can’t help but think… by what standard? How do you know? According to your worldview, their is no ultimate, we are just the random products of a pitiless and indifferent universe that couldn’t keep us in mind. In John 1 the apostle says: “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8-9‬).” ‭ You are deceiving yourself, the cognitive dissonance is rampant. But you have hope because Jesus can cleanse us from sin which we all harbour. The knowledge of God in you is clear to see. It’s not about experiencing God, you have a trust problem my friend. What can you tell me about the Old Testament 🙂?

Yes. Yes it is!! In the book of Hebrews for instance it says "....long ago God spoke to us through His prophets and in many ways and in many portions. But in these last days has spoken to us in and through HIS son, Jesus CHRIST to whom HE has appointed all things; through whom HE also made the world..." JESUS CHRIST, HIS life....HIS ministry....HIS person, HIS nature and HIS character is the FINAL authoritative speaking of GOD.

I’m a Christian and have seen multiple great answers to the question in the video but his answer which is your comment is horrendously ridiculous and make no sense. Sorry you had to endure that answer.

@@alaskayoung3413 Hit me with a couple, because, other than " I conversed with him myself" which is fine for the experiencing person to then believe( well, if someone talks with someone that they cannot prove is there, we usually call them insane, but if the second someone is supposed to be a god, we call them blessed???) , but really doesn't, and shouldn't, do anything for any other human being, I haven't heard anything that didn't boil down to very poor logic, wishful thinking, or some combination of both.

How would *you* prove the Bible is true? What would convince *you*?

@@PilgrimNinja That's tough. Considering all of the internal contradictions, and obvious contradictions of the real world, I would say you can't. It is wrong about so much, I can't see it being shown to be true without the destruction of masses of rock solid scientific information that just isn't going to happen. Now, if you just mean " What would prove that there is a supreme being like the one in the bible" but not that everything in the book is accurate, I would say said being letting itself be known out and out in the public, and showing some miracle worthy abilities on demand, and repeatedly.

If that's the case, then explain this: why is your claim true?

Daniel Root You miss the point. The purpose of this exercise is to demonstrate their inconsistency. It is pointless to continue a discussion with someone who is inconsistent, moving the goal post as it were. You need to get them to be more intellectually honest in order to continue. Arguing with a simple contrarian is a waste of time.

If someone can't prove logic under their worldview, then what is the point in having a logical debate with said person? Most non-Christians I have debated end up appealing to morality, consciousness, reason, logic, ethics and metaphysical properties in general. From a worldview where our existence came from a chaotic series of evolutionary events, and we exist for no reason but because we do, in a material world that you can't get metaphysical properties out of, our thoughts are simply chaotic formulaic processes that exist for no reason, but because they do. So everything becomes meaningless, relative, subjective, as there is no objective morality, ethics, or reason to do anything the way society has told us to do it, besides fear for our lives from a government that would punish us for not abiding by the law. If someone is arguing that something is illogical, you first have to have a worldview that derives logic from an absolute, or it is an subjective opinion that derived from a meaningless brain, and existence. You can use this in other senses aswell. If Science uses logic, and logic is metaphysical, then Science saying that God does not exist because we can't see him under the laws of empiricism is using logic, a metaphysical property, to prove the nonexistence of a metaphysical being. In other words, using a transcendental to refute a transcendental is contradicting, and due to the laws of non contradiction, cannot be used as an argument. If you don't abide to the laws of non contradiction, you don't abide to the laws of logic, therefore there is no point having an argument with someone who makes that claim, as you aren't having a logical debate at that point, and every point that uses logic is meaningless. Once you understand the basics of philosophy, then you will understand that with every point made, you presuppose that you believe in certain things, by using a logical argument, you presuppose that you believe in logic, but if your worldview does not support that, then you are inconsistent, and shouldn't be taken seriously.

@@readifdumb Such a well thought out comment, this is exactly the point!

Whats the difference. I haven't heard these terms before.

@bluesheep2 Internalism and Externalism are two epistemologies that have to do with whether or not justification is necessary for knowledge. Internalism is the belief that in order to have knowledge, which is defined as a justified true belief, then you have to have internal awareness of the reasons that would give a knowledge claim justification. So if we were talking about the resurrection, I could only have true knowledge of that if I was internally aware of the reasons and evidences for that claim. If I don’t have those then I don’t have knowledge. Externalism would be the opposite of that in that they believe you don’t need internal awareness of the reasons for a claim yet you are still justified, or warranted in your belief of that thing. So back to the resurrection, an externalist would agree there’s a lot of proof for the resurrection, but we don’t have to be internally aware of those proofs in order to be warranted in believing Christ rose from the dead Does that make sense? I’ve only been studying this topic for a little bit so hopefully I’m explaining it adequately

@@andrewdavidson8167 I love philosophy but I just woke up and my brain is on half power. This seems like one of those questions that goes far into the weeds. Along the lines of "how do we know we even exist?" I've always been comfortable with the question of rationality. I start from the premise that we really can't 'know' anything and from there ask the question if its rational to believe something. If I was forced to pick between Internalism and Externalism, I don't know what I'd pick. Is it possible that one could be an internalist on some topics of knowledge and an externaist on other topics? Such as being an internalist on things we can use our 5 senses to discover but externalist when it comes to metaphysics.

@bluesheep2 It definitely can get into the weeds, and sometimes I think we can talk about it adequately after 3 cups of coffee😅 What’s the extent of that first premise you brought up? You said we can’t really ‘know’ anything. Is that in an absolute sense? Is it limited? Can you flush that out a bit more? I’m still wrestling with the issues surrounding those two epistemologies cause in some cases both would make sense. Personally I agree with internalism more but there is an argument to be made that externalism is where you start. There’s a book out there called “how do you know” which is an introduction to epistemology. Towards the end of the book he makes the argument that it’s possible to start as an externalist, meaning that you have a warranted belief not based on evidences, but overtime you should begin to conduct yourself as an internalist since it would be wrong to never develop justifiable reasons for your knowledge. My recommendation is read a lot before you call yourself anything. I’ve been looking into this subject for only a year and while I’m more drawn to a position like internalism, that doesn’t mean I’m adequately educated on all the issues.

@@andrewdavidson8167 First premise... In an absolute sense. In an absolute sense we can't prove our existence, as a real thing. Without sufficient reason we are left with an incomplete theory. That being said, I couldn't have a rational conversation about what is true if I didn't think it was obvious that we do in fact exist, in someway, so my usual response to someone who uses this argument is to say I'm looking for an adult conversation. Hmm. I like how you worded, "there is an argument to be made that externalism is where you start." Maybe that is what I was sensing when I asked if both could be true. I think it raises the question and that is "can we know without knowing we know? From this short talk, I don't think I fall into either one though I'm more on internalism side. Ill go to the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy and read up on it. Thanks for all the information.

That’s hilarious bc there’s been tons of books written and tons of historical and scientific studies done that add to the proof of the Bible being accurate and historically correct. And Everytime they find relics and historical artifacts that line up with what the Bible says. Like the Dead Sea scrolls etc. the only questions have been did the miraculous happen bc you really can’t prove that. But that have proven that the Bible has not been changed during translations. That Jesus and many others were real people and records of their lives have backed it up. Have you ever looked into it bc it’s not that hard to find the large amount of evidence that supports the Bible? There’s also the list of things the Bible stated as true about the world and space etc that was in contradiction to science but ended up being true. Such as: the Bible said the world was round and people thought it was flat until proven round thousands of years after the Bible was written. The Bible talks about how the sea floor looks and functions like and science said otherwise until it was proven to be as the Bible said when tech caught up. Same with the stars and other things. The sure fact that something that people believe as man made fairy tale from over two thousand years ago is still relevant to today’s culture and transforms lives. Like the countless stories of addicts who couldn’t ever get clean but then did after years through the message of the gospel. Or people that have struggled with mental health issues and needed medication etc who utilized the Bible and it’s message to be freed feom depression and anxiety and never need psych medication again etc. You can question the validity of the miraculous claims but historically it has been far proven accurate. And although the message has been hijacked and used in evil ways it has healed and transformed millions of lives for the better. Which makes no sense if it is fake and made up fairy tale ya know.

@@alaskayoung3413 Can you give me links to these historic and scientific studies? I would like to read them but they cannot be from christian sites, they must be neutral or non-bias sites. Why are there so many different versions of the bible? There is the KJV, NKJV, NASB and the RDV to name a few, there are more. Surely there should only be one version. What records of jesus are there, external to the bible? When I younger, I was doing a bible study on the flood story. I went to the science section at the library to find books about it but couldn't find anything there. So I asked the librarian why I couldn't find the books in that section. She told me that I wouldn't find anything about the flood story in that section and that I should look in the religion section. The point I am trying to make here is that science does not support the flood story and that is one of the important stories in the bible. The Greeks had established that the Earth was a globe around 3bc, not thousands of years after the bible was written, as you claim. Also just think how you worded your statement. I think you meant to say hundreds of years. I agree that the bible says the world round, it doesn't say it's a globe. It is open to speculation what it says about the shape of the Earth. There are people who believe the Earth is flat because of bible scripture. Science esimates the age of our universe to be around 13.8 billion years old and not 6 thiousands as it would be, if the bible is true. People are slowly realising that the bible is not the be all and end all, that is why, in western society, religion, especially christianity, is in decline.

Studies done by people that already believe it is infallible amd don't have contradictions can simply be ignored. When a regular person like me can see that killing an innocent child specifically in place of his father while also saying that a child won't be punished for the sin of the father and that only the sinner will be put to death for the sin committed is contradictory, it's pretty freaking obvious. It would take heavy indoctrination to think there are no contradictions.

@@user-hp1uj8nz5s what specifically are you referencing when you say a fathers son being killed etc? Are you talking about Abraham and stuff or something else. Lots of the Old Testament stuff appears to be real odd and hard to understand but when you study it in depth and add the context of the time and the references it’s speaking about it paints a better picture. The studies are not all done by people who think it’s infallible. There’s plenty some by people who went into studying it to disprove it and changed their minds once they studied all the evidence. There’s world leaders scientist and people with multiple phds that argue for their belief in the Bible etc. it’s not just uneducated southern people…

Nope. not one.

I agree. It was really good. But I hope he will post/make another one where he delves more into why we can trust the actual texts of the Bible. That would be edifying.

20july1944 I see you poping up everywhere!

Baby steps

It's a pretty deep topic though, many have written multiple books compiling the evidence for it.

Go watch Voddie Bauchman. He also gives an explanation and it's good.

drumrnva Thanks for pointing out a nit picky factoid irrelevant to the argument! It shows me how magnificent your intelligence is and how masterfully you dance....around central issues.

Thanks for pointing out the important fact that evolution =/= abiogenesis. Though it is excellent when religious apologists conflate the two as it clearly exposes they are stupid and ignorant of science...or deliberatly lying for jesus. Either way they debunk their own argument and expose the fact that their mythology is devoid of truth, facts and logic.

Except it isn't. The dead sea scrolls are considered important because it's not the same at all.

LOKI SAMA Why even bother though? Sounds like a waste of time for something you don't believe in.

Samuel Brown well most atheist actually would like to know if the Bible is true, with evidence of course. And I got non of that

Im an atheist. Im here to tear down the christian world view so christians will one day stop destroying families, politics, and minds in general. I know im right rhat the christian mythos is BS. im here to convince everyone else.

FreethoughtGreg any facts to support your thesis, or just wild, unfounded assertions?

Religion causes friction in families and politics all the time, this is just undeniable parents disowning atheist and gay children, christian politicians forcing arbitrary standards of morality into law etc. Ive also seen studies that even show children raised without religious indoctrination think more critically and behave more ethically. This should be obvious anyway. As far as knowing that christianity is wrong, i can cite the numerous logical paradoxes in the supposed nature of god and the many contradictions and ignorant passages in the bible. Or i could just say nature has revealed itself to me and told me god doesnt exist, and if you truly search with an open heart you will realize that, deep down, you know this truth.

...Damn, why did I never think of this?

"Since no deity or deities exis" Go ahead, PROVE that. Oh THIS guy's god does not exist, its testable. But no one has ever disproved a Deist god. That there is no rational reason to believe to believe in any god does not disprove all gods. There may be a god but all testable gods fail testing. Stick to the truth. Leave the unjustifiable claims to the theists. They assume there is a god, you assume there isn't. Neither of you can support your claims. Join the few, the rational, the Agnostic. That way the false claims are from the theists.

@@palladin1337 "why did I never think of this?" Because its unsupported assertion.

@@ethelredhardrede1838 Hey, I never said that it was a completely sound argument. I'm just surprised that I never thought about turning this particular argument against them, since it's completely possible.

@@ethelredhardrede1838 _"Because its unsupported assertion."_ - *I think that was the point. He was presenting it as a counter to the standard Christian presuppositional stance... Its an unsupported assertion as a counter to other unsupported assertions.*

Tanner Terry its called baby steps. You can't get to Jesus until God is in rehlm of possiblities then probability then the Bible ect ect. Don't put the cart before the horse.

Reductio ad absurdum will definitely not help the theist argument. For this creation thing alone, you have to ignore so much in the way of evidence for a planet that is billions of years old and the human population being the result of many millions of years of evolution. Or, you have to assume that god created a human mind capable of finding all this evidence that god themselves placed.

@@MisterItchy The cell theory of Biology is considered to be the backbone of Biology it states that the cell is the smallest fundamental unit of life and that all cells came from pre existing cells. This is most certainly a fact. Nowhere in the natural world has a scientist ever documented the spontaneous generation of one single cell from non living material. It doesn't happen ANYWHERE!!! In spite of this fact there are many highly educated people who have gone to great lengths trying to convince us that all of life on this planet is the result of chemicals spontaneously generating into cells which over the course of billions of years developed into male and female species of extremely complex living organisms...THAT IS ABSURD!!! The evidence for God is all around us. You're not really atheists you're delusional

Brok Homz you hate having to explain it because you can't. The whole argument is a dishonest fallacy.

+brok if you are a presupp idiot, you already don't have any intellectual integrity. why do you think we hate to explain things to you? other than you are also one of the dumbest shits around.

crisofer954 "fallacy". How so?

louis cyfer you don't need to explain anything. I told you, I already know.

+brok you are a presupp idiot. you don't understand shit, you are just making a circular argument.

I love how you ignored everything except for that little side note *rolls eyes so hard they fly out of my head and smack the wall

@@Lightylight Sir, I was just commenting (5 years ago..) that it was funny how it cant just be an atheist, but a "hostile atheist". You are allowed to make comments about particular parts of a lecture without mentioning the whole damn thing.

Brother, it's not a sin to present the very tangible, physical evidence that our glorious Lord has left for us. (all the historical data you cite and I concur with) Ultimately, it takes the miraculous intervention of the Spirit to change a man's heart. I think, sometimes starting on a practical, evidential level can be helpful when presenting the gospels to a naturalist. God Bless.

I agree with your # 1 and 2, but it's hard for me to explain and defend #2. I need some help in that.

"Christianity is the only system of thought/Worldview that makes anything rationally intelligible, or the basis for proving anything" - Please prove.

The cell theory of Biology is considered to be the backbone of Biology it states that the cell is the smallest fundamental unit of life and that all cells came from pre existing cells. This is most certainly a fact. Nowhere in the natural world has a scientist ever documented the spontaneous generation of one single cell from non living material. It doesn't happen ANYWHERE!!! In spite of this fact there are many highly educated people who have gone to great lengths trying to convince us that all of life on this planet is the result of chemicals spontaneously generating into cells which over the course of billions of years developed into male and female species of extremely complex living organisms...THAT IS ABSURD!!! The evidence for God is all around us. You're not really atheists you're delusional

Circular reasoning that is called 😂😂

Pardon? I'm going to work on the assumption that you're an unbeliever, because from Durbin's point of view, the main thing in view here is salvation. If God doesn't exist, and our soul is not eternal, then everything ultimately doesn't matter. You can believe whatever you want, because you die, decompose, that's it. If (and it's not an 'if' in reality) God exists, then the conversation matters infinitely. And creation is all the proof of God you need to know He exists. "Seek the LORD while He may be found" Repent and believe the gospel. Proof that the Bible is real would be more like. Creation is proof that God exists. What the Muslims teach contradicts itself and actually points to the Bible as credible (and the Bible teaches that Jesus is the only way to the Father). Jesus is the fulfillment of Judaism. Everything contradicts itself but Christianity. Also, if you ever experience conversion, you'll have no doubt that it's true.

@@joev2223 "If God doesn't exist, and our soul is not eternal, then everything ultimately doesn't matter." You are begging the question here. You are assuming that " if god does not exist" then " everything ulitimately doesn't matter" because " our soul is not eternal". You offer nothing to prove that God not existing means that the soul is not eternal, nor that, if the soul is not eternal, that, everything doesn't matter. You just state it and hope people think that you are right. Because??????? "You can believe whatever you want," Oh. Thank you very much, but, I don't really need your permission. " And creation is all the proof of God you need to know He exists." The United States of America was created by a 127 foot tall, orange mouse, named Clumbo. All you need to know that Clumbo is real is to know that the United States exists. See how just making claims without any actual evidence is really, really useless? "Proof that the Bible is real would be more like. Creation is proof that God exists." This, once again, is not " proof". Not in the least. It is, in fact, just another claim that you failed to support in any way, shape, or form. Have you ever actually convinced anyone of anything important by just making claims and offering the claims themselves, or, other unsupported claims, as evidence for the claim??? i.e. " My car was made by martians with magic wands. See. there is my car. The existence of my car proves that it was made by martians with magic wands. " Everything contradicts itself but Christianity. " So, unsupported claim number, what, six? Seven? "Also, if you ever experience conversion, you'll have no doubt that it's true." Yeah. The " truly converted" of every religion, extinct or extant, as well as every cult, guru, and MLM on the planet will tell you the exact same thing about their chosen " mythology".

Of course it matters..we all live in this world together don't we? Your beliefs have consequences for your behavior, our not seeing eye to eye can cause huge conflicts. Of course it matters. Or beliefs & thoughts etc. manifest themselves into the world we all share, so if you belief that other people can't have certain rights because the bible says so, while other people do belief they should have those rights (because they can place themselves in their shoes/don't see anything that should not allow them their rights based on what/who they are) then we have a conflict based on differing beliefs/values. I'm not really good at explaining these things, but it's just ridiculous to say that it wouldn't matter to an atheist, as the atheist still lives on the same earth and has a heart and values etc. The values are just not handed down to them by the bible necessarily but informed through other means.

+Michael Ramos what do you mean? If I'm speaking for myself I'd say that I care about others & myself and that I'd want to help (/not do harm) because I'm a fellow human being and I can feel your pain, so why would I do the opposite? What standard are you talking about?

+ISABELLEISMEE I don't think you understood what I meant. Of course I wouldn't actually mean that if I said that to a person. It would be a rhetorical question that would get them thinking. Then I would go on to explain to them what I meant.

+Michael Ramos Just to clarify, is that what you believe Michael?

+Michael Ramos oh okay, God bless!

You're not an atheist You're delusional.

The cell theory of Biology is considered to be the backbone of Biology it states that the cell is the smallest fundamental unit of life and that all cells came from pre existing cells. This is most certainly a fact. Nowhere in the natural world has a scientist ever documented the spontaneous generation of one single cell from non living material. It doesn't happen ANYWHERE!!! In spite of this fact there are many highly educated people who have gone to great lengths trying to convince us that all of life on this planet is the result of chemicals spontaneously generating into cells which over the course of billions of years developed into male and female species of extremely complex living organisms...THAT IS ABSURD!!! The evidence for God is all around us. You're not really atheists you're delusional

God does not force us to believe in him, though he could. Instead, he has provided sufficient proof of his existence for us to willingly respond to him. The earth's perfect distance from the sun, the unique properties of water, the human brain, DNA, the number of people who attest to knowing God, the gnawing in our hearts and minds to determine if God is there, the willingness for God to be known through Jesus Christ.

In what way? I am interested to hear your argument for how his argument is foolish. Just saying, “Well that’s dumb because it is and it helps prove my unstated stance.” doesn’t really work for intelligent conversation haha :)

Same how can some people gobble down this garbage "logic?"

Huh?