So we've had the New Holland T5 140 and the Massey Ferguson 5S 145 on the Spaldings flatlift and i've been comparing them to The Ford TW25. So i thought i'd get TW on the Flatlift in the smae field to see how it compares.
I worked as a pump man in an opencast coal mine around 30 years ago and had a TW for pulling pumps and bagging around. What a beast she was, loved the floor splitter peddle when it got too much for her on a hard pull.
If it was “smiles per hour” George, the old TW would win hands down. Another thing to take into account is what will the T5 or S5 be like after 40 years of hard work? If in fact they would even last that long? Love the old TW. 🚜👍
We got a tw30 over here in America, she’s got 7,000 on her second motor, still going, and probably punching above her weight class. She’s kinda the oddball on our farm of red machines.
140 - 150 HP being considered a smaller Tractor just goes to show you how things have moved on, their capability though also shows that you don't always need 200 - 300+ HP to get the job done. Obivously letting the old girl stretch her legs and enjoying the music once in a while is fantastic, probably makes you enjoy the modern creature comforts of the new iron all the more at the end of the day.
Those modern tractors are definitely technical marvels with their slick gearboxes and sexy controls, but give me that filthy lusty turbo six any day. A big ole six is such a soulful beast, I could listen to it all day! Congratulations a great, no BS channel.
Much as I love the classic machines, my neck, shoulder and left knee, all worn out from years of driving them, would disagree with me. Despite that, I'd still rather be out doing fieldwork than stuck on Zoom meetings with people who have no lives outside of Zoom. Great video, thanks.
you'd void your warranty and they'd likely not survive their first breakdown, TW15/25/35 were designed to spend their entire life expectancy at over 90% output. Now the T5/5S would survive 5x as long as them if it was a question of PTO use. The modern tractors are more tool carriers than draft machines.
My old boss man had a tw-25 he pulled a 22 ft Taylor way disc with it he bought it brand new we’re he used it all those years you could put the rpm wide open it would smoke like crazy and go dead but pull the rpm’s back to where it stopped smoking and it would run like a champ all day
That's been a great little series of reviews, I hope the Funky Farmer has been taking notes for comparison! Well put together and you gave them a good workout while you had them. But you can't beat some old school grunt! Can't beat that sound.
Every video you made on the T5 you had a big smile on your face , but that was nothing compared to the smile when you fire old blue up thats the difference between a good tractor and a great tractor.
Hi George , when they made the new tractor’s they forgot to put the sound back in once you get going in the ford she start barking love it, you take it easy and look after yourself and stay safe.🚜🚜👍⭐️⭐️
The TW sound brilliant. To be fair, decades are between the tractors as you say. I wonder, when those modern tractors are out of warranty, what would they be like with an EGR, delete, AdBlue delete and a straight pipe on?
Great series. The TW engine is 50 percent bigger then that of the Massey. If you continuously work the smaller engines at their limit it is doubtful that they would last as long as the big six. Also how will the modern tractors function with all the electronics and proximity sensors and other giblets in 4 years?
@@nickpalazzi2121 Like any manufacturer, Ford had good and bad models. Their 3 cylinder 4000.4610 were good gutsy little tractors which punched well above their weight. The 6 cylinder 7810 was one of the best tractors I ever drove. It was a different story with some of their 4 cylinder models though, esp the 5610, which I drove several examples of. They were pathetic and gutless. I never had a drive of a turbo 7610, which was reckoned to be a lot better.
Hi loved the video you can’t beat an old Ford working she sounds fantastic let’s see if any of these new tractors with all those electronic gadgets and computers will still be working in forty years time like the good old Ford TW25.
No modern tractor will have a better sound than the T-DUB,surely not?Great reviews of the Massey and New Holland.Can't beat a bit of old school though😉👍🚜
Hey George, it shows that we had some good rain here at long last Because the grass is growing again so much so, That at my school the Big New Holland Tractor has come again to cut the football field after a long time not doing so! It looked like a T7 Tractor the back wheels were about 6.5 feet tall. It was a lovely sight to see it cutting using a bi-folding back cutter. We don't see tractors much here being a Town with no farming around us. Nice to see a New Holland my favorite farming brand even on the Farming Sim game I play. 🚜 😉
As much as I love the tone and the song the old TW sings, she is a lot louder in the cab for a long day, you would need radio two on full volume, and I expect she burns a bit more cherry aid then the T5 or 5S
The T5 had an advantage due to the front loader pressing the front end down with more leverage due to the longer overhang of the loader. Combined with the flatlift pulling the backend down there will have been a lot of strain in the centre of the T5.
Hark at the sweet sound out the pipe absolutely fabulous 👌 😍 nice to compare the newer tractors against the old girl but we all know she'll be around in years to come where's unfortunately the newer more technical tractors won't be. Well George you've put many a big smiles on us older folk with that video well done 👏 ✔️ 👍 😀 👌 ta ta
I do love the T dub, even though the Massey and New Holland can keep up with her I’m willing to bet if they did a tug of war she’d definitely smash them. She’d be around 40 grand (give or take) cheaper aswell. Might trigger a few people saying this but.. it’s a real man’s tractor, you don’t get tank drivers in the army wanting air suspension and all that stuff because they don’t bitch and complain! 💪
As much as Tw's are my all time faves as i grew up sailing around with my dad in a TW-15 she was the big girl of the contracting fleet back then and was an animal the weakness is the TW lift is very low capacity. After driving modern tractors carting silage under pressure its nice to be able to do 50kph with suspended cab and all the mod cons is nice doing long hours 6 days a week for a living
@UCkIPNevL8zLKsYHRq1s7xdwWell considering when you get to retirement age your body is destroyed i would rather modern tractors,My old boy had to get two hips replaced and they reckon it was his years of driving tractors and farm work. Its not easy work nowadays either long hours and very unsociable its as big as strain as ever. When you get to retirement age with your body screwed up and not able to do anything because you wanted the rough ride plus TW only has a small 4 tonne lift capacity which is a problem for lager equipment as much as they were great in their day also the torque isnt there.
@@zzirSnipzz1 I know a few people who’ve had their hips replaced, it’s not good at all, However I seem to remember them when they where younger thrashing the tractors and going over speed bumps flat out, and even overturned trailers so I am not surprised. It didn’t matter though because they didn’t own the tractors, they were contractors with their tackle on hp so they’d trade up and get another one, treat them with respect and they will do the same to the driver, drama queens are who drive older ones and complain besides if you go slow enough they aren’t bouncy at all
@@hellohello3199Mat my old boy drove the arse out of them yes but he looked after them like his own, Until he was required to drive an ON-top at slurry time and mostly drive the shovel at silage time he was the tW only driver and she was treated like his own, it wasnt until every tom dick and harry got into it that stuff started to get broken. Even his boss commented how come him and my old man had drove it for years and nothing was ever broke and yet these other yahoo's get in it a few months and broke the seat and other things. Tbf their tractors never broke down they were religiously serviced and looked after. My old boy will tell you himself he still loved the old TW but its too slow for anything but field work and the lift is a weak point regulating what size of implement you can use before you destroy the lift. New tractors have much more usability and oil flow. They struggle to tip larger trailers also which is crap when you are under pressure these days. Tw's only have 2wd Braking. 40kph had 2wd with the 4wheel drive system that kicked in to help with braking and nowadays all 4 corners brake. Also Newholland exhaust brake is a great job and the CVT can match any job you need compared to even a semi auto
@@hellohello3199 Key to a tractor lasting long time is greasing, oil changes and filters replaced when or before when they are needed also use the proper oil especially in new tractors and avoid using other peopled equipment and contaminating your oil
George Saunders, l watch almost all your videos, your TW is the only tractor in the fleet that makes you laugh and smile as much as that, that’s telling you something🙂
Back in the 70s we had a brand new 1124 county .dressed with Duncan cab and wiper blade . I used to travel about with a single Mole Plough. You've got 3 your 25s pulling . I was young and enjoyed the bark .. and glad you wernt in my field. That TWS A Differant class I hate to admit. Nice on head phones aswell .
I like this comparison. You have any idea of fuel usage? Do those small 4cylinders start drinking a lot under that heavy load? At least you proved a 4cylinder engine can be as though as a 6 cylinder if the whole drivetrain behind is well thought out.
They do, I just traded my Deutz-Fahr 6140, a 4 cylinder 140 hp; it had to work at max power pulling my Krone Comprima Baler and sits at about 22 litres/hour. The new 6 cylinder, 200 hp takes just 10 l/h, which with todays diesel prices more than pays for the additional cost of the tractor. Now, AGCO are pushing 200 hp with their 4 cylinders, but I’m not convinced of the long term durability of pushing a small engine that far. But the 4 cylinder 140-something are great tractors if you want something agile and versatile but don’t need the max power all the time. Great for loader work, especially with a CTV transmission.
@@bewing77 im not totally surprized with what you said. On trucks all brands still use about the same size engines as 10 or 20 yrs ago. They do have a smaller block option, with more hp. But most trucks with 450hp are in the 12/13 liter range still.. but definitely better on fuel.
Evening George. Sorry but I'm Old School the TW sounds better, looks better and I bet she smells better, let todays generation keep their whipper snapper tractors and let us revel in the days when real tractors had the prefix TW.
We used to put a TW25 on a NH 275 baler back in the day Well over the top I know 😁 but we could bale all night as long as the shear pin held then it was time for bed😂
Nothing beats the sound of the 1980s tractors I had a 5 cylinder air cooled deutz tractor and it was definitely breaking some sound barrier unbreakable though I still regret selling it
In the early 1990s my father sold our TW15 and replaced it with a new Massy Datatronic. Within a week or two I distinctly remember him at supper saying it was a bad decision. And he was not a Ford man either.
It shows how much the technology has on the current machjnes compared to the Tee Dub. They're cleaner, more maneuverable and more compact with more features to make driving easier and more efficient. However, they don't have that sound....😁
All the more futures and electronics to go wrong they won't last half as long as the TW has and will the TW would be a lot more reliable than them and when something does go wrong on the TW it would be a lot cheaper and easier to fix than the new tractors.
The TW25 is great in action there George, the engine is humming nicely. The TW could be seen as a forerunner for standard tractors in modern times . Ford were ahead of their time . Great video George 👍 🚜 🔧
Old school grunt and brute force wins the day for me. She’s 40 years old and still in the field on the heavy work, she’s withstood the test of time. You do realise that you most likely have the most famous Tdub in all of the UK
Probably the new pocket rockets have a bit more creature comforts 🤔 BUT ,,, reckon the place I'd spend the day listening to the orchestra in full tune would be the old T Dub 💪💪😁 great video 👍
Would have loved to see them head to head on a pull. Should have chained both tractors to the back of TW and see who goes forward and who goes backwards.
Around here they did a comparison ,40 years ago with a Ford 7600 and IH 956 on a forage harvester,and the 4 cylinder drunk twice as much fuel as the 6 cylinder,as you say the newer tractors are matching the gears to the circumstances where as TW ,cant quite do the same,what an electronic gearbox is like over time I dont know
Could only listen to the old 6 pott purring away for so long before getting a so long without getting a sore head . sounds good tho. Don't think the newer smaller tractors would put up with heavy draft work for long they would fall apart
Love the tw 👍😁 But when was the last time she was on the dyno just to see how many ponys she has (or lost over the years), she maybe showing her age and ready for a little more love?
Hi George, as you say, what’s not too like about it. Question, did you use draught control, or the load monitor ? Now going to see how the fastrac compares. A T B Clifford
I would expect the fuel combustion is far better on the modern engines. I expect the TW has black smoked all its life, when hard pressed! That extra fuel adds up fairly quickly to a tidy sum in these days of high fuel costs. Still a good tractor, all the same.
I suppose your right but in the long run I don't think they will hold up like the tw. It's seems cars, trucks and even equipment are almost disposable. You won't see the CAT track loaders of today like we see the old 955 and even 953. I would love to come across a 953B model for sale in fair shape I would take it CAT and take advantage of there re- man program.
Considering the poor quality of some reman kit, I'd be wary, and do a lot of recceing before committing. I share your admiration for the 955 and 953B👍🏻
@@R.Sole88109 I has a 87 model 953 half way done and it wasn't bad. I wish I would have done more but they mostly went after the nagging stuff. Take care!
Howdy George , i know which tractor i would go for if we had a stuck tractor in the mud, the TW, im sur5e she has more weight and better planted for pulling, love these tractors ,,, can you clean the windows pls george. Can you get your Hands on a county 1174 one of all time favourites.
