This was a truly fantastic visit and I couldn't be happier to share it with you all. Stay tuned for more follow up videos on wargaming and naval history. Also, are there any other places you suggest I visit next?
Army War College Department of Strategic Wargaming (Carlisle Barracks, PA); National Defense University CASL (FT. McNair, DC); Command and General Staff College Simulations and Wargaming Division (Ft. Leavenworth, KS), and the RAND institute.
Admissions officer: so why are you interested in attending? Me internally: don't say you wanna play fancy warhammer don't say you wanna play fancy warhammer don't say you wanna play fancy warhammer Me: I wanna play fancy...magic the gathering
All these years of playing total war games finally payed off, and my mom said all those "lost" hours wouldnt amount to anything WHO IS LAUGHING NOW MOM
@@Gunni1972 Probably, but dear God if I still got a good time out of those 1000 plus hours of game so it was worth it xD. The General will see it and bow down to me...hopefully.
@@anab0lic I would disagree, as there is some strategy involved. Now I wouldn't go as far to say that it requires the most strategy or has the best way implement your strategy.
I love your content in general but HOLY CRAP was that cool. I guess I didn’t realize that the Navy has been playing military D&D since the 1800s. I have quite a bit of research to do, and I’m looking forward to the upcoming vids on this topic!
I served in Sim's Hall between 1978 and 1980, mainly as a terminal operator for the various officers gaming and the "Admiral" officiating. The main game floor (not shown in the video) was an auditorium seating approximately 300, a gaming floor for about 30 officers, with the focal point being the world's largest (at the time) computerized projection screen (roughly the size of an Imax screen). Officers "manning" the on-screen ships were housed in small offices, cut off from all visuals and communications except traditional "ship-board" comms, with the results of their choices shown in real time on the screen. The computer system was housed in a separate room approximately the size of two city busses. I met Tom Clancy there, who had an office set aside so he could conduct research, write, and interview personnel. I loved serving there, and had the Navy allowed it, I would have served there until retirement. But in 1980 I was forced to either reenlist for duty onboard a ship or leave the service. I truly did not enjoy shipboard duty, so I left. Bad decision? Hmmm...
1992-95. Exactly the same set up third floor in the center wing was the cells as you describe. The gaming floor was center wing first floor. The west wing plenum area was actually a converted swimming pool. You could even see the old tiles on the walls. We had 25 or so OS's doing games. In early 1995 Admiral Strasser (War College President) said hey Simms Hall while historic and ok for war gaming was becoming inefficient and we need a new building for the War Gaming Department. Our group in Advanced Concepts actually was tasked with what a "perfect" War Gaming building would look like. We over two months from June-July 1995 even did "furniture" drills for what a perfect room would be. Late July 1995 we finished (this design group was so important that 4 of us got pulled from Global 95 to help design the new building). We finished the design and sent it to the architects for designs and detailed prices. The room design was my last tasking and went back to sea on CG-64 for 5 years. Did a port call in Newport in 1997 and saw them breaking ground on McCarty-Little.
This is an excellent interview. I always noticed that when a interviewee is talkative, it's best to sit back and listen. Invicta was brilliant in this interview by allowing the historian to present his full presentation uninterrupted. I felt like we received a lot of data in a very short time. I can't stand the Joe Rogan's of the world who cuts off the guest and takes them off topic. I feel like we miss half the story. Invicta should have a gaming facility of his own where he can teach people how to be a strategic documentary producer. :)
Sky Marbles Have you ever been on a guided tour? You’re standing still listening to someone for hours and staring intently at them when it’s just the two of you would be really awkward.
@@theespatier4456 you can't compare a guide tour with a interviewer . when someone talks directly to you and you are alone ,you won't look at the persons shoes . because eye contact is a sign of respect and attention.
Fantastic! Did a lot of Harpoon (civilian wargaming system, but so detailed that Clancy used and later got in trouble for his accuracy) in my youth. It'd be fun to play at that scale.
To be fair, the calculus of wheter or not a ship should continue on this course, change bearing/speed, fire weapons from it's selection of maybe 6 different ordinances is a lot less than your typical lvl 10 player haha
Visited the Naval College Museum at Annapolis a couple years back . Need to visit this one too. A old friend Roger Rhodes was an instructor at the Naval War College. I played plenty of wargames with him before that.
I really love how you put so much effort into your videos and your content in generall! That you visit places and sites and talk with actual people that know their field instead of relying solely on written information. Really awesome man, love your work, keep it up, wont take long before you hit 1 mil subs. & Take care!
Thanks for the kind words. I do hope to conduct more of these sorts of visits to serve as a bridge between the public and the historical community. Lot's of fun in store! I'll see you at 1 million : )
That's a documented story that during ww2 British admiral Max Horton played against Janet OKell of WATU to test suggested tactics against u-boats. Lost three in a row against just turned 18 non-officer girl.
The open source strategy game Battle for Wesnoth shows a detailed probability breakdown of what effects a possible attack can have on the defender and attacker. A good move in my opinion.
Glad you enjoyed! It was a blast to visit and I definitely look forwards to sharing the rest. For me, the discussion of how modern military wargaming works Pete Pellegrino is definitely a highlight.
I had a chance to go for a week when I was 16, but the training got cancelled. I am impressed and incredibly jealous you got to have this opportunity. Thank you so much for sharing.
Most video games are built to be intuitive and easy to understand. I mean, if you play obscure 4x strategy games for thousands of hours and also you're a high performing student, and also you are physically fit, and also fairly charismatic and a good leader, yeah you'd make a good naval officer lol
I'm starting to see where western and Japanese RPGs differ. Western RPGs from Western Table tops hench the Emphasis on numbers and build. Jrpgs from Light novels hench the Emphasis on Story.
@S Uriel Pretty sure it does, but it certainly doesn't have the kind of rules people are familiar with. In this context they're referring to physical representations of what would happen, not in the traditional moral sense that rules are applied to society. Mundane things like your boat will only move at X speed and cannot go faster than Y speed. Not rules like don't kill thy neighbour. That would be societal rule.
Wargame rules are significantly more complex than the rules of Scrabble or Monopoly. Even the rules to early commercial wargames, such as Tactics II of 1958. Especially if you have never encountered such a thing before. Some people never get the hang of them.
Great series, as all your videos! I hope that youtube revenue is good, as you certainly deserve it for the level of professionalism put into your channel. Cheers!
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I’m so glad this channel is finding success and expanding. You provide some of the best info out here for us armchair tacticians. Ps: crossover with lindybeige. Just sayin.
Absolutely hilarious to hear that the naval staff simplified the war game for the junior officers and that the civilian one being played in the New York City ballrooms had more detail and depth
New England and the nearby States had a significant number of military bases, as well as ship yards, and a significant amount of military infrastructure at one time, growing in importance with the Civil War. The 1990s is really when the majority of the bases began to see a significant loss in importance (New London/Groton, CT excluded). New York, Boston, New London, Portsmouth, and Newport, amongst many others.
"this was your huge Naval Base" back in the day just as West Point was for the US Army was until 1948 and "Present at the Creation"(the Pentagon, the Cold War, the Nuclear Triad, etc).
Well, at the time of NWC's founding, Newport WAS a significant naval base, and would remain so for many decades into the 1990s. Got downsized (the base, not the NWC itself) a bit during the '90s BRAC process. Also worth noting, the base today is still a lot more than just the NWC. I did not attend NWC, but went to Newport multiple times for various months-long training courses. There were still several frigates based at Newport when I went to Division Officer Course in '90; they had been shifted down to Norfolk (or just plain decommissioned) by the time I came back for Department Head School in '95.
Simple, taking wargames serious is the difference between invading Normandy, and cavalry charging into machine gun fire. Always ask the question "if I where my enemy, what would be the best move" and then switch sides again after finding a counter. Helps in Chess, games, live and war.
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Jane also did Jane's Wargames for PC.. Had F/A 18 Hornet (fly as a F/A 18 pilot), 688(i) Hunter/Killer (Be a Los Angeles class Attack Submarine commander) and my personal favorite Jane's Fleet Command where you control an entire Carrier Group, including the planes off of carriers.
Thank you for posting this video, very interesting. But… Where are the other videos announced in this one? I could not find Wargaming Explained or Modern Wargaming for example
Part of the success and feedback loop were the annual fleet exercises that tested rules, results and tactics used in games, it both let the gaming inspire exercises and let exercises put realism into the gaming. I believe no other navy was teaching, gaming and exercising its leadership, its tactics and its officers in this way, both theory and practice for war to come.
It takes a lot of time and resources that can be used elsewhere to use and maintain such ships. At least for training cadets. I believe that this does occur for actual military practice however.
So wait they say also had war game for both space and cyber warfare I'm curious to see how those run maybe It may give me a reson to get battletech warships mintures.
So I'm a nurse going into the navy once I graduate my bachelor's program. I've never wanted to get into a program more. Unfortunately, I think this will be out of my scope of practice.
I just translated the book Shared Fantasy, by Gary Alan Fine, that is mostly about roleplaying games, but delves into its connexions with wargames, and has a whole section about the Japanese navy losing the battle of Midway, because two of their admirals cheated during the wargame simulation, effectively ressurecting sunken ships. The real battle followed the results of the simulation, according to the umpire that survived the war. You can find the whole book online: books.google.fr/books?id=rLlLbN0XuSEC&lpg=PP1&dq=shared%20fantasy%20gary%20alan%20fine
I dont know why your camera guy kept you in the camera, when your just standing there looking awkward, lol. He made it seem like your gonna be asking questions and have input but you never do
It would be very interesting to see a group of trained officers go up against a mixed group of total war and paradox grand strategy players in a long drawn out game.
