Trunks thought he time travel to the past but what he finally come to realize is that he didn't time travel to the past of his timeline, he actually travel to the past of a parallel timeline. A parallel timeline where Goku never fought Frieza on her Earth due to his interference.
No he traveled back in time to the original timeline but in doing so he created the alt timeline. So beating frieza and saving goku created another divergent timeline.
@@larrycoleman9513 not really, the moment he went on the time machine the timeline diverged and a new one was created where he existed even if he didnt do anything of note.
What makes time travel even more confusing to some, is that Dragon Ball follows multiverse time travel rules. Which of course as we know, traveling back in time, doesn’t change your future, but creates an alternate future separate from your own. But yet we have the 12 Universes, which the English dub refers to as the “multiverse”. Definitely a naming conflict there, since alternate timelines are also named alternate universes (or realities) in many other stories that follow multiverse time travel rules, like Marvel. But to avoid confusion, the 12 Universes in DB Super, are merely just collections of stars, planets and galaxies. Each of the 12 universes follow the same flow of time. And each timeline has their own set of 12 universes. We know this because there are two Zenos.
Well The type of time travel in Dragon Ball is Second Dimensional Time Travel which creates Alternate Timelines. Alternate Timelines are Low Level Multiverses. There similar to Parallel Universes in a Multiverse but aren’t exactly the same. Parallel Universes are described to either (be created by any decision you make causing a Parallel Universe to exist where you make a different choice.) or (described to already exist since you making a decision in one universe, naturally there’s another where you made another decision. Sometimes that can be considered to be the opposite decision. Parallel Universes are also described to have natural differences that exist regardless of making any decisions.) Alternate Timelines on the other hands exist by time traveling specifically. A Parallel Universe can theoretically exist regardless of time traveling, but alternate timelines require the action of traveling forward or backwards in time to exist. For Example: Luke Skywalker In The Empire Strikes Back having a vision of his friends in danger and possibly dying if he doesn’t save them fits more into Parallel Universe territory because despite him having what can be considered a future vision through the force he’s only seeing a possibility based on his choices. When he confronts Yoda & Ben Kenobi about deciding to go save his friends instead of continuing his training, under some parallel universe rules , his actions cause the existence of a universe where he didn’t decide to try & save them in order to honor what his friends fight for and train long enough to be ready to face the Sith instead of risking that chance on rescuing them from potential death. That’s an example of a Parallel Universe dilemma. However The Flash going back in time to prevent his mother’s murder on the other hand is more of Alternate Timeline Territory because time travel is involved. That’s more of an Alternate Timeline Dilemma. Alternate Timeline: New Timelines Alternate to the original Timeline when you alter Time (Past , Present or Future) Alternate Dimension: Realms or Reality Usually smaller than Whole Universes and separate from average space in their own bubbles of existence. Parallel Universes: Realities that are created or exist based on your everyday choices & decisions. Any choice you make in life means a reality exist where you did something else, or Realities created based on whatever exists one way in a Universe, will exist another way in a parallel universe. To make this complicated explanation more simple, imagine me going back in time to tell myself not to reply to your comment on this video, that would be an alternate timeline because I altered time, on the other hand, imagine a Parallel Universe where we all have fish heads and I still made this reply to your comment, that would be a completely parallel universe with its own timeline. These are the traditional definitions of these terms but people use them interchangeably now and some more modern definitions see The Multiverse and Time Travel as the exact same thing rather then sibling concepts like they were understood originally which further causes this confusion. On top of that modern entries in franchises like DC, Marvel & Star Trek use the two interchangeably so people who are first introduced to concepts like Parallel Universes & Alternate Timelines see them as the same. Sometimes they’ll use them Traditionally like The DC CW Arrowverse with The Flash Show which very well explains the differences between the two. Either way, Future Trunk’s timeline and other timelines that exist are still tied to Universe-7, because there all timelines that exist within the same Universe, just branched off from the prime timeline. Future Trunks Timeline was originally the prime timeline and the one we follow in The Android & Cell Saga was considered an alternate timeline but Dragon Ball Super probably retconned this later because The Gods see Trunks’s Timeline as an alternate future, either way it’s established time travel was crime by The Gods in Dragon Ball which is why Bulma’s Time Machine got destroyed, and since Zeno can have doubles created of him by alternate timelines, that means The Gods & Angels can’t control time travel like they can control The 12 Universes which is probably why it’s outlawed by them. This Implies Alternate Timelines of These 12 Parallel Universes can probably exist regardless of how The Gods & Angels run their limited Multiverse, which to me is fascinating.
The 12 universe are not 12 different timelines they're 12 seperate universes that all exist in the same timeline since you can quite literally fly between them like they do in the tournament of destroyers. That's not the kind of multiverse that they're going with in Dragon Ball, each of the six existing timelines have 12 different universes in them.
@@ChiChiLand299 yeah they do which makes The 6 established Alternate Timelines dominant over The 12 Established Parallel Universes, this of course is the opposite of DC where Parallel Universes are dominant & Alternate Timelines are just branching timelines that exist within them. Unlike Marvel where Parallel Universes & Alternate Timelines are seen as the same.
The rules of time travel and multiverse theory are entirely up to the whims of the creators of their respective franchises. When fans start seeing this as the case and stop attempting to apply "real world" theoretical physics to these fictional franchises, then in-universe time travel and multiverse mechanics begin to make far more sense.
Eventually, regardless of it being one of the later/altered ones, the main timeline might be the only timeline to exist bc the other five might get erased due to Zeno growing bored/ disappointed and there is no Goku to befriend him in those realities
Time Travel Works In Dragon Ball based off Second Dimensional Time Travel, the minute you time travel in dragon ball your interference causes the creation of an alternate timeline. It’s the idea that every time someone travels across the timeline they create duplicate timelines where things can go differently called alternate timelines which stray from the original timeline. It’s similar to The Multiverse’s Butterfly Effect Theory, except in that theory it states every decision you make as a person either creates a Parallel Universe where you made a different choice, the opposite choice usually or it already exists. The Difference is that despite being used interchangeably, Parallel Universes aren’t created inherently by time travel whereas Alternate Timelines are created by Time Travel. Let’s go over similarities and differences between Alternate Timelines & Parallel Universes. I usually call Alternate Timelines low level Multiverses because they usually exist by someone altering time or the events in the timeline which creates them. Sounds similar to The Butterfly Effect in The Multiverse. However By The rules of The Butterfly Effect, Parallel Universes are made by someone making choices in the given moment which creates new realities where the person made the opposite decision. That’s usually how Parallel Universes come into effect. I think the difference being when messing with time, alternate timelines are made but with Parallel Universes , making any decision in every day life creates a Parallel Universe or multiple Parallel Universes where differences happen. The Similarities just being making a decision in every day life creates a Parallel Universe and messing with a Timeline creates Alternate Timelines but Parallel Universes are described to have differences regardless of your choices based on the many worlds interpretation which means they exist regardless of whatever happens to the timeline. Alternate Timelines on The Other hand require Time Travel to occur. The type of time travel in Dragon Ball is Second Dimensional Time Travel which creates Alternate Timelines. Alternate Timelines are Low Level Multiverses. There similar to Parallel Universes in a Multiverse but aren’t exactly the same. Parallel Universes are described to either (be created by any decision you make causing a Parallel Universe to exist where you make a different choice.) or (described to already exist since you making a decision in one universe, naturally there’s another where you made another decision. Sometimes that can be considered to be the opposite decision. Parallel Universes are also described to have natural differences that exist regardless of making any decisions.) Alternate Timelines on the other hands exist by time traveling specifically. A Parallel Universe can theoretically exist regardless of time traveling, but alternate timelines require the action of traveling forward or backwards in time to exist. For Example: Luke Skywalker In The Empire Strikes Back having a vision of his friends in danger and possibly dying if he doesn’t save them fits more into Parallel Universe territory because despite him having what can be considered a future vision through the force he’s only seeing a possibility based on his choices. When he confronts Yoda & Ben Kenobi about deciding to go save his friends instead of continuing his training, under some parallel universe rules , his actions cause the existence of a universe where he didn’t decide to try & save them in order to honor what his friends fight for and train long enough to be ready to face the Sith instead of risking that chance on rescuing them from potential death. That’s an example of a Parallel Universe dilemma. However The Flash going back in time to prevent his mother’s murder on the other hand is more of Alternate Timeline Territory because time travel is involved. That’s more of an Alternate Timeline Dilemma. Alternate Timeline: New Timelines Alternate to the original Timeline when you alter Time (Past , Present or Future) Alternate Dimension: Realms or Reality Usually smaller than Whole Universes and separate from average space in their own bubbles of existence. Parallel Universes: Realities that are created or exist based on your everyday choices & decisions. Any choice you make in life means a reality exist where you did something else, or Realities created based on whatever exists one way in a Universe, will exist another way in a parallel universe. These are the traditional definitions of these terms but people use them interchangeably now and some more modern definitions see The Multiverse and Time Travel as the exact same thing rather then sibling concepts like they were understood originally which further causes this confusion. On top of that modern entries in franchises like DC, Marvel & Star Trek use the two interchangeably so people who are first introduced to concepts like Parallel Universes & Alternate Timelines see them as the same. Sometimes they’ll use them Traditionally like The DC CW Arrowverse with The Flash Show which very well explains the differences between the two. Either way, Future Trunk’s timeline and other timelines that exist are still tied to Universe-7, because there all timelines that exist within the same Universe, just branched off from the prime timeline. Future Trunks Timeline was originally the prime timeline and the one we follow in The Android & Cell Saga was considered an alternate timeline but Dragon Ball Super probably retconned this later because The Gods see Trunks’s Timeline as an alternate future, either way it’s established time travel was crime by The Gods in Dragon Ball which is why Bulma’s Time Machine got destroyed, and since Zeno can have doubles created of him by alternate timelines, that means The Gods & Angels can’t control time travel like they can control The 12 Universes which is probably why it’s outlawed by them. This Implies Alternate Timelines of These 12 Parallel Universes can probably exist regardless of how The Gods & Angels run their limited Multiverse, which to me is fascinating.
So ultimately time travel isn’t time travel because what happens, happens anyway. This is why future trunks would have shown up. It’s not true time travel
@ I mean Time Travel depends on interfering with time, so if a Universe exists and no time travel was involved then it exists regardless. Parallel Universes are always there but you need to time travel with a Time Machine like Trunks did in order to make an alternate timeline.
Ok, so the way I'm interpreting it (reasoning this to myself), is that when TL1 Cell went back in time, he passed TL1 Trunks along the way (on the cosmic highway of sorts) and dragged him (or a duplicate) into TL3. Once this Trunks learns of Cell and travels back to his own time, it creates TL4 - a timeline where future Trunks survives against his timelines Cell. This explains why there isn't a timeline with a time-travelling Cell, but no time-travelling Trunks (like I originally thought there should be). Thank you for doing this video and covering this topic again.
It helped to make what if scenarios to keep the franchise alive to this day and technically via multiverse theory- all continuities are technically possible
This is my first comment, I just wanted to share that my brother makes me watch your videos. He does it to save explaining things to me lol. He's a passionate Dragonball fan like yourself and his name is also Michael lol
How I think time travel works in DBZ is like follows: --- There is one original timeline where Goku dies, Trunks time travels and creates the unseen timeline. --- Now Cell kills the Trunks from original timeline and time travels to create the Future Trunks timeline (this is where my theory and your explanation diverge). --- Then Future Trunks does time travel and creates the Main timeline. The one issue with my explanation is that now there are two Cells in Future Trunks timeline (which kinda makes sense because there were 2 Cells in Main timeline too) but we only see one dying on-screen. I think the other one was just killed by Androids when he came out of his cocoon thing without any of Z-fighters knowing because they were all dead except Gohan and Trunks, who weren't there to witness the battle.
@@DudeManDude-ot5fv no. Cell knows what a Super Saiyan is, but the DNA collected from King Cold and Frieza came from that little mosquito robot. Dr. Gero’s computer works on Cell, not Dr. Gero directly, and the Cell we know also comes from the future like Trunks. Present day Cell was wiped out when Dr. Gero’s lab got destroyed
Trying to make this make sense. One thing that bugs me is when I rewatch DBZ and think about how we are technically viewing multiple timelines at once. And a lot of people tell me no, that's impossible it's clearly stated that we are viewing a different timeline but my point is: realistically, the events would've been the exact same up until certain episodes. For example, if were are ignoring Cell's time travel (as none of the characters know yet) we were watching BOTH the events of the Main Timeline and the former Main Timeline (unseen) up until Bulma called Trunks about Cell's time machine (I forgot the chapter and episode). The History Of Trunks movie is both the Original timeline and new future timeline at the same time as it hasn't slip yet With DBS (anime), we ARE viewing the events which lead to Goku Black until Trunks came back in time. Bonus: This thought came to mind when I was watching the fan animation of Kid Gohan becoming a ssj for the first time in the future timeline, and people kept bringing up the point that this is not the original timeline, but the history of trunks timeline, wouldn't it be both?
What do you think happened when they discovered Zamasu's dead body in Goku's farming clothes and Goku missing in Black's timeline. Maybe they realized it was Goku, but if they wished him back wouldn't he just have Zamasu's body still?
So, the Future Trunks we see in the anime for the first time when defeating Frieza, later died by cell when he got back? So the Future Trunks that later re appeared when the gang was fighting Gero was another Trunks? Not the same from earlier?
Wait a minute Mike!!!! Timeline 3 should be "The History of Trunks" timeline, not the Main Timeline, since that is the timeline that the Cell from Timeline 1: The Original Timeline, created in the first place when he traveled back in time from Age 788 to Age 763 (a year before the original Trunks traveled to Age 764 creating Timeline 2: The Unseen Timeline). Hence, it's the timeline of the version of Trunks that we saw for the very first time came from in the first place. Timeline 4 is actually the Main Timeline, because when Timeline 3 Trunks goes back from Age 784 to Age 764 of his timeline (AKA Timeline 3), he instantly creates Timeline 4: The Main Timeline. Hence why it explains how and why Trunks, Bulma, and Gohan found the other time machine in Age 767 that had already been sitting there for 4 years by that point.
I think in Dragon Ball true time travel (where you go back to the past, this being any desired point in your current timeline or the future, where you can do something at that point that will affect whatever will happen when you come back to the past/present in the same timeline) is impossible, and all Trunks and Bulma have been doing is going to different timelines where if they either go too far from the point they wish to go or they do something in the past or future to affect that specific timeline, they'll be creating a new timeline. While they can go back to familiar previous timelines, they need to be sure that they do nothing that could result in the branching of a new timeline, which will be impossible to do. I think this is proven because when OG Trunks initially time traveled, he just went into the timeline we've been reading and watching up to that point he first showed up, not the original timeline he wanted to go back to. And then when he affected this timeline after giving Goku his medicine, etc. (not only did this effect what Androids showed up in this timeline) When he went back to what he thought was his timeline's future (This is actually the unseen timeline), not much was truly 'restored' how he imagined, because he took care of the Androids in a different manner, which affected him later on because when he went back to his own original timeline, even though he saved it and brought peace, he never trained and got strong like he did in the timeline we've been reading and watching. This in turn, when he decides to go back to check on our timeline we've been reading and watching when it's time, Cell sneaks up on him and is able to defeat him, going back to the point that Trunks initially would've been at, but this time, everything leads up to the Cell Games. I personally think if the OG trunks had trained after bringing about peace in the unseen timeline and the original timeline, he would've been relatively fine, defeating Cell and being on an Earth that would've been too weak to revive Buu... until maybe Goku Black & Zamasu. I think it's because of how disastrous 'time travel' (in Dragon Ball's case, timeline hopping) could be for each individual universe and the mess creating different timelines could cause, it's outlawed and anybody who does it faces strict consequences from the Gods themselves.
Im assuming time travel isnt as bad in the future because time flows forward, meaning you cant create an alternative if there was never something to compare it to.
I still don't understand how the Trunks from the Future Trunks timeline, can go back to a timeline that already contains a time travelling Cell, unless Cell had already time travelled to his original Future Trunks timeline. When the Trunks from the Future Trunks timeline travels back in time, it should create an alternate timeline that is an exact copy of his timeline right up until the time that he arrives in it, and therefore, there should be no time travelling Cell present, unless Cell had already time travelled to the Future Trunks timeline, and had somehow been completely undetected.
The 7 time lines of Dragon Ball are explained like this: Timeline 1 is just the timeline that goes through DB through super with all the interferences Timeline 2 was created buy a time traveler from universe 12 who went back and changed something Timeline 3 was created by trunks killing Frieza preventing Goku from doing it and then giving them the antidote and warning them Timeline 4 was created by Cell going back killing tons of people himself and then absorbing the Androids instead of them being defeated like they were going to the originally Timeline 5 was created by trunks killing cell in the future preventing him from killing him and stealing his time machine which this timeline eventually got erased by Zeno Timeline 6 was created by beerus killing zamasu and preventing him from becoming Goku black Timeline 7 was created by trunks going back and saving supreme Kai from getting killed allowing beerus to defeat the two zamasu's And like I said timeline 5 was erased by Zeno which is why there's only six Time rings at the end of the black saga since one literally disappears
It works the way it would work in real life because trunks never actually time travels. What he actually does is move orthogonally to another 4d space time with almost the exact same configuration his universe had in the past. This is why there are differences in the past, why his actions don’t erase his future or cause paradoxes and also why time runs parallel across both timelines (meaning if he spends two weeks in the past and goes back to the future, two weeks have passed there also) What he is doing is NOT time travel. If anyone cares I can explain EXACTLY why time travel is impossible too and in simple terms. (I have degrees in quantum mechanics btw, this isn’t bro science)
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If you can explain how they got to the Future Trunks timeline using the original timeline time machine. that would be great. Like how did they travel to that specific future in that specific timeline. And I guess Goku Black's timeline is just the main timeline but without future trunks returning.
what i understood from DBZ anime is that there are only 3 timelines not 4 1 timeline is cell who made cell games 2 timeline is original timeline and 3 timeline is Future Trunks
That’s the things I’ve disliked most about DBZ, the changes in events don’t really make sense. Somehow cell and trunks going back in time caused 19 & 20 to show up instead of 17 & 18 and also caused 17 & 18 to awaken 16. But cell remained out of the way of literally everything and trunks warned the everyone and dipped for 3 years.
You seem to be confused, Trunks just didnt know what happened. He was a baby when the androids arrived. Piccolo or Vegeta killed android 19 and then 17 killed Gero. So he wouldnt have known about the details. Cell didnt change events, Trunks was just wrong
@bitterthenu7278 Except it tells us what happened. The Future Z Fighters specifically reacted to the call of the attack from Android 17 and Android 18 in the city. Future Gohan who was also there, never confirmed that Android 19 and 20 were there either.
Cell doesn't had much affect to the changes until after the 3 years jump as he's literally resting at the time but the person who made the most changes is Trunks. Remember Goku was suppose to fight Frieza and King Cold by instant transmission directly to them as they are approaching his friends. With Trunks interfering and fighting them instead of Goku fighting them this prevent several events that was suppose to happen to either get delay or not happening at all. Because Trunks fought King Cold and Frieza, this means Goku never instant transmission directly to them. Also Goku not fighting them like the original timeline means the heart virus was calm, in the original timeline Goku's stress and concern for his friends and his eager to fight Frieza again cause his heart virus to burst faster and happen much sooner but because Trunks interfere Goku in the main timeline doesn't had the same stress and concern like in the original timeline thus why the heart virus didn't happen until the androids appeared and even when it did happen it was cured very quickly by Trunks' antidote. Also Android 17 & 18 appearance were change cause in the original timeline Goku was dead so Dr. Gero had no reason to activate Android 19 or turn himself into one. In the main timeline he only turn into one and only activate 19 cause he realize Goku is still alive but at the same time he also realize that 17 & 18 could easily betray him too. Because Goku is still alive Dr. Gero also made Android 16 as a back up unit in case 19, 17, & 18 were destroy by Goku but he made the mistake of not finishing Android 16 in time so 16 doesn't had the same threatening nature as 19, 17 & 18. With Cell meeting Piccolo in the main timeline, this add another change cause instead of Piccolo and the Z fighters trying to kill 17 & 18 like they were suppose to, they change plan and go after Cell instead. Cell's appearance when he meet 17 & 18 is also what change the two androids from being threatening to become threaten themselves. Add in the voice of reason from Android 16 and that completely render 17 & 18 as allies of the Z fighters than threats. Goku surviving in the main timeline is also what encourage Dr. Gero to make Android 17 & 18 much more stronger than the 17 & 18 that were in the future timeline.
My issue is since Cell went the furthest back shouldn’t he have been in a version of the original timeline where trunks never goes back in time? Why would he go to an alternate unseen timeline, where trunks does go back? If Cell went the furthest back he should have appeared in a copy of the original timeline, the one where goku dies. Instead we see him in a copy of the unseen timeline.
Everything you said makes sense if we accept cell went back in time in a copy of the unseen timeline, which clearly is what he did. I just don’t understand why him going furtherst back didn’t put him in a copy of the original timeline.
The most concise way to explain it is this: 1. Cell is from the original timeline, he never would've been in the Unseen Timeline. Well the time traveling Cell wouldn't he still would've been in the incubator. The unseen timeline was made when the original Trunks, the one Cell killed, traveled to an unseen past. The logic for that is he would've needed a place to travel in the first place. It's theorized the Super Android 13 movie takes place in the Unseen Timeline 2. Mike explained it in a confusing way. When Cell traveled back he created the History of Trunks Timeline. It does create a plot hole because there would've been 2 Cells. The main theory for that is 17 and 18 killed the time travel Cell at one point since he wouldn't have been as strong with less humans to absorb. 3. The Main Timeline, the one we see in the show, was created when the Trunks we see in the show traveled back. I hope this helps
@lsixty30 the Cell that they fight is the copy. When Trunks and Krillin go back to Gero's lab to get blueprints for the shutdown device they destroy the current Cell in the incubator
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