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How far can I broadcast LoRa packets WITHOUT a radio? - LoLRa 

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@LanceCSTCuddy
@LanceCSTCuddy Месяц назад
You’re crazy. I’m convinced that all RF engineers are wizards.
@avramitra
@avramitra Месяц назад
I was convinced long ago that Charles was a wizard.
@Thefreakyfreek
@Thefreakyfreek Месяц назад
Aleays have been
@tomfahey2823
@tomfahey2823 Месяц назад
RF engineering is basically Black Magic (or so I've heard).
@theKLAMOS094
@theKLAMOS094 Месяц назад
Yeah I did a lora project before starting my engineering degree... Sweet and tears man, but mostly a huge amount of datasheet and theory to read
@OskarHersch
@OskarHersch Месяц назад
Yet they remix ideas every 4 years for children wonderment.
@papa_gowon
@papa_gowon Месяц назад
Charles: so I made the GPIO pin go real fast. FCC: and I took that personally.
@Thefreakyfreek
@Thefreakyfreek Месяц назад
I dont think there is a better meme for this video 😂
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
I am unfamiliar with this meme
@red13emerald
@red13emerald Месяц назад
I think the FCC can't even complain if the signal is below the noise floor, could it?
@terjeoseberg990
@terjeoseberg990 Месяц назад
@@red13emerald, The problem with this is that the desired signal is below the noise floor, but there are other undesired signals being produced that aren’t. These need to be removed with a high pass filter.
@Thefreakyfreek
@Thefreakyfreek Месяц назад
@@red13emerald fair point
@breaktrace
@breaktrace Месяц назад
"That final output is 69.420 MHz" Nice.
@dtupper
@dtupper Месяц назад
Nice.
@ve4edj
@ve4edj Месяц назад
Nice
@dan3a
@dan3a Месяц назад
Nice.
@xymaryai8283
@xymaryai8283 Месяц назад
Nice.
@Krbydav328
@Krbydav328 Месяц назад
Nice
@macyler
@macyler Месяц назад
Incredible as always. And simultaneously terrifying. Now we just wait for the headline “Gaming keyboards had firmware undetectably overwritten to broadcast key strokes hundreds of meters via LoRa, without physical access, from user-mode application”
@GeekProdigyGuy
@GeekProdigyGuy Месяц назад
It would only work at a very small volume, right? Otherwise there'd be a ton of noise from thousands of different keyboards.
@juliankandlhofer7553
@juliankandlhofer7553 Месяц назад
@@GeekProdigyGuy thats the beauty of spread spectrum! just think about how many bluetooth devices are around you and it still works flawlessly. well maybe not if everyone was just spewing out subharmonics to get a few picowatts of actual signal 😅
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
there's far scarier things goin on in the world, no need to freak out over this.
@drhxa
@drhxa Месяц назад
​@@CNLohr The only correct response
@antonliakhovitch8306
@antonliakhovitch8306 Месяц назад
There have been plenty of security research papers along this line
@aurorajunior6328
@aurorajunior6328 Месяц назад
This Is The Most Insane "Doing Alot with a Little " Project ive eve seen
@Scrogan
@Scrogan Месяц назад
Does it beat space invaders on an ATtiny10? Maybe.
@aurorajunior6328
@aurorajunior6328 Месяц назад
@@Scroganin my opinion yes lol
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Oh man... I have never heard that turn of phrase but it speaks to my soul.
@aurorajunior6328
@aurorajunior6328 Месяц назад
@@CNLohr I kinda made it up lol. But it’s so true. Amazing job! Can’t wait to see what you make next!
@TheKuptis
@TheKuptis Месяц назад
@@aurorajunior6328 Sorry but that phrase predates you. It's been around for quite awhile.
@thefatmoop
@thefatmoop Месяц назад
Aggressive bandpass filtering could probably make this fcc passable. Amazing work
@kreuner11
@kreuner11 Месяц назад
Yeah but that makes this become radio circuitry with a filter and amplifier, etcc
@user-lc1sy4bz2j
@user-lc1sy4bz2j Месяц назад
Aggressive badass work 😅
@nobodynoone2500
@nobodynoone2500 Месяц назад
@@kreuner11 Not really, a bp filter can be some traces scratched off copper pcb. It''s dumb (and illegal) to not make or use one tbh.
@willhatch7721
@willhatch7721 Месяц назад
Was thinking the same thing. This could be a real fun network filter design process
@kayakMike1000
@kayakMike1000 Месяц назад
@@nobodynoone2500 I think he started with that proviso
@DanielSMatthews
@DanielSMatthews Месяц назад
You are a rare human, gifted, tenacious in your pursuit of knowledge, and incredibly generous. Thanks for sharing, the light shines brightly through you.
@davidwillmore
@davidwillmore Месяц назад
I'll buy that for a dollar!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
I appreciate your kind words.
@geekswithfeet9137
@geekswithfeet9137 Месяц назад
God damn, you just made the CIA’s wet dream of data ex filtration
@microcolonel
@microcolonel Месяц назад
Trust me, they are already doing it.
@aurorajunior6328
@aurorajunior6328 Месяц назад
@@microcolonel have you seen seytonics video about using a SATA cable to do that
@microcolonel
@microcolonel Месяц назад
@@aurorajunior6328 no but that seems highly doable. IIRC SATA is unshielded and that would make it easier.
@geekswithfeet9137
@geekswithfeet9137 Месяц назад
@@microcolonel I don’t trust anyone that has to say trust me
@zekiz774
@zekiz774 Месяц назад
​@@geekswithfeet9137trust me: you don't trust anyone who starts their argument with "trust me"
@nobodynoone2500
@nobodynoone2500 Месяц назад
Bandpass filters make these kinda hacks easier, more effective, and more polite to those around you. Every radio hacker should have a pile of remade ones, a tunable one, and the know how to throw one together from scrap. It's a rare but useful superpower in the rf world.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
I agree! This was just to get things working with minimal hardware, not getting things working well.
@The_Foxx
@The_Foxx Месяц назад
This video terrifies me
@DanielSMatthews
@DanielSMatthews Месяц назад
Me too in an "in complete awe" sort of way, and also because the implications of it are that a large amount of digital hardware can potentially leak data via LoRa packets induced in software and radiated off existing structures in the product. 🤯
@UKsystems
@UKsystems Месяц назад
@@DanielSMatthewsmost commercial products can’t as they are designed around emc requirements
@DanielSMatthews
@DanielSMatthews Месяц назад
@@UKsystems They are designed to pass tests when used as designed, change the code and they are out of spec and Tempest like tricks apply. Same with most of the attacks against air gapped computers, you need to be able to run code on them to get them to behave in unanticipated ways.
@andrewferguson6901
@andrewferguson6901 Месяц назад
​@@DanielSMatthews"can" = does
@UKsystems
@UKsystems Месяц назад
@@DanielSMatthews there are also tests for adverse use cases and checking for anything that can be used as an antenna or at least for ukca aprooval
@juliankandlhofer7553
@juliankandlhofer7553 Месяц назад
dude even attempting this is insane. that you managed to get it working is borderline lunacy. what you're doing is absolutely masterful and i cannot express how impressed i am
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Don't let silly things like feasibility stand in your way. Just keep pushing.
@muriatik_
@muriatik_ Месяц назад
this is the purest definition of knowing how to break all the rules
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
You can't break rules when there aren't any.
@edgeeffect
@edgeeffect Месяц назад
This is cool... basically you're bit-banging into the air!!! NICE!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
That's a really good way to put it.
@ceeam
@ceeam Месяц назад
You saw the term "wave-banging" here first.
@edgeeffect
@edgeeffect Месяц назад
@@ceeam NICE!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
@@ceeam gosh I wish that didn't sound as inappropriate.
@Cydget
@Cydget Месяц назад
holy shit that's nuts. When you started talking about using reflections to get your desired carrier frequency my brain started expanding. I'm so shocked that you didnt run into any issues with this by nature of your antenna being a wire that was bent. I figured that any little change would greatly effect the outcome of the reflections, but I guess so long as the actual length of the wire is not changing, the reflections should still be there relatively unchanged. Also the idea to just add wireless connectivity to existing devices that we can hack was just brilliant. Lastly throughout the video I was thinking how it would be a cool project to draw vector graphics in the waterfall view like some people do with the xy plot on a scope and the last few seconds I see the outro graphic. Brilliant
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Expanding your brain is what I am here for. I love helping people grow and learn. The outro was something I thought of at the last second.
@mikeselectricstuff
@mikeselectricstuff Месяц назад
So maybe for diversity you could put an antenna on multiple pins & transmit sequentially on each one?
@enthdegree
@enthdegree Месяц назад
Phase coherent output pins
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Probably, but would be trickier to figure out how to send the signal.
@icantseethis
@icantseethis Месяц назад
This bro about to learn why the FCC is a 3-letter agency
@ryshellso526
@ryshellso526 Месяц назад
Lora has already been approved for communication on... go stroke an old boomer HAM operator off...
@ergonomiczero2228
@ergonomiczero2228 20 дней назад
But most of use 4 letter words to describe them
@johnwest7993
@johnwest7993 Месяц назад
Now build 10 element beams for both ends. :) I've blanketed 1/3 of the USA with a 7 mW BPSK LowFER signal from my 30 foot tall antenna with 2 miles of hand-wound 22 gauge wire and a loading coil with 35 pounds of 8 gauge wire wound on a 3 foot diameter Styrofoam core, and I've been called crazy. But you have gone far beyond me. Well done, sir! I salute you! BTW, the most fun I've ever had was doing range tests. I drove 900 miles on I-80 across the USA watching my beacon message play on and on on the computer on the seat beside me. I smiled every inch of the way. Same sort of thing happened with my range tests with Hi-Fi audio sent via a dollar store laser, further and further, 6+ miles of smiling in the cold and dark with rain sprinkling down on me. I think we both know exactly how Marconi felt as his radios worked further, and further, and further.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
The days of Marconi would have been a wild time time to be alive. But yeah, WSPR and other protocols would be pretty cool to explore like this.
@badgermcbadger1968
@badgermcbadger1968 Месяц назад
That laser thing sounds really interesting
@scottdotjazzman
@scottdotjazzman Месяц назад
You realize the FCC prohibits LowFER antennas longer than 49ft, right? (Including the feed line)
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
@@scottdotjazzman is the load coil factored into that? It seems strange if it would be because you could just use a higher voltage higher impedance output and no load coil for the same output, right?
@tripplefives1402
@tripplefives1402 Месяц назад
@@CNLohr Yea, but if he is using stock retail radios the output will be fixed 50ohm impedence and if the antenna is too short relative to 1/4 wavelength it will have too much capacitance vs impedance so you add a load coil to give that capacitance some more inductance to resonate into- bringing it closer to 50ohm purely resistive.
@TheRainHarvester
@TheRainHarvester Месяц назад
Lohr-A !
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
How did this never come up!?
@davidwillmore
@davidwillmore Месяц назад
​@@CNLohrI said it to you!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
@@davidwillmore I just don't remember or maybe I Was too embarrassed?
@davidpanic
@davidpanic Месяц назад
What an absolute madlad! And here I am just using cheap LoRa modules to send messages! I definitely got some inspiration from this.
@TheRainHarvester
@TheRainHarvester Месяц назад
What cheap. modules? How much are they? I bought an llcc68 module from cdebyte but i think they were defective. I could write to their spi registers and read them back, but could never broadcast (no signal ever showed up on a sdr receiver). Cdebyte world never send me sample code. So i used code from generic modules but either the modules were defective, or the code needed proprietary magic.
@davidpanic
@davidpanic Месяц назад
@@TheRainHarvester They're called "Ra-01 modules" and they go for about 3-4€ from china. I haven't had any issues with them and the range seems pretty good.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Doing it with modules is way better for everyone involved, this was more of a to-see-if-I-can.
@utkua
@utkua Месяц назад
The projects excites me the most are things that are cheap and massively adapted, your stuff always hits the mark. This is a great work that enables people, you are a good human we are lucky we have people like you.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Those are definitely the things I find most compelling.
@quadmods
@quadmods Месяц назад
I learned more about LoRa from your video than many other ones. Great useful research. Cheers
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Thanks! I really tried to express the insights I gathered.
@runforitman
@runforitman Месяц назад
man LoRa is an insane protocol
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
IKR!
@rs232boy
@rs232boy Месяц назад
Huge respect for making such limited hardware spit those radio signals. This is even one step beyond VUSB ! Seems crazy to receive data under the noise floor, but the spreading for measly 3000 bits/s over a big bandwidth 125 kHz is what makes it possible.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Indeed! And those bits are spread so broadly in time.
@alphapuggle
@alphapuggle Месяц назад
Great, now devices that I previously thought were completely disconnected from the Internet can leak my data
@autonoob
@autonoob Месяц назад
About 3min in and loving the way you bent the pin to see where the antenna plugs in, it probably secures it a bit better aswell. Genius! 👍
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
I didn't expect anyone would notice that. I just did it so I could tell where it goes.
@chrisalexthomas
@chrisalexthomas Месяц назад
Wow, this was amazing to watch. You did a fantastic job documenting all of this! Well done!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Thanks!
@SebastianLang1998
@SebastianLang1998 Месяц назад
Just one word: impressive! Really well done work - from the crazy idea at the beginning till this video for documentation. I'm fascinated! 🤯
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Glad you liked it, I hope to keep making content like this (even if I am slow at doing it)
@Daniel.W.R.Rehman
@Daniel.W.R.Rehman 20 дней назад
This video inspired me like very few videos do. Not only am I now way more interested in RF transmission and its theory, but now it all makes sense in a way it never has before. Thank you for gifting this beautiful project to the world!!!! You are amazing!
@bearwolffish
@bearwolffish Месяц назад
Very cool, am reminded of an exercise from a wonderful book Make AVR, where the chapter on timers had you code an AM transmitter, by toggling the pins quickly using the compare registers. Love seeing the hype things like Meshtastic, LoRa, HackRF and Flipper Zero are bringing to these types of protocols.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
I wish this sort of RF radiation stuff was taught more, like in schools, etc.
@benedekt.5909
@benedekt.5909 Месяц назад
Creative uses of aliasing in sampled systems, under-noisefloor communication and hacking ucs beyond their stated limits are the favourite topics of my supervisor from the university days. I will send him this video. Great work on this, must have been a bumpy ride. Congrats!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
BOY HOWDY WAS IT BUMPY, but it was steady process for all the weeks.
@adreto2978
@adreto2978 22 дня назад
I just checked out your IDF-Sandbox repo and it’s the best thing ever thanks mate
@maggieMakesMechs
@maggieMakesMechs Месяц назад
Only 5 minutes in and this energy is so inspirational. Thanks for getting me up and working on my projects (and for what I expect is going to be a great video)
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Keep goooing. Just go go go. That's the reason I want to make these videos is to point as an omen what can be done by just keeping on pushing on a problem until it gives way. Even though most of my projects do end up being failures, if you just keep pushing, keep pushing, you will find success.
@nThanksForAllTheFish
@nThanksForAllTheFish Месяц назад
So good to see you back!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Only twice a year or so.
@applebroz222
@applebroz222 Месяц назад
I rarely ever leave comments on RU-vid videos, in fact, this might be the first deliberate comment I've left in YEARS. But I had to because for more than half of the duration of this video I was sat at my desk with my jaw so widely open that it could have almost hit the desk. Thank you for this insanity, and for open sourcing your code - I learned a hell of a lot watching this video, and I'm sure I will learn even more from the repository. Unbelievable, outstanding work.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
I'm really glad to have earned that comment then!
@VeniceInventors
@VeniceInventors 20 дней назад
I'm not sure what is more impressive, the end result or your persistence to get there. In any case, the two made it a great inspiring video!
@NoOneFPV
@NoOneFPV 25 дней назад
Your results are truly amazing. Bravo!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 23 дня назад
Thanks!
@scorch855
@scorch855 Месяц назад
I'm normally quite put off by the thought of spurious emissions, even if they are very low power. But this has completely turned my conception of them on its head! Though I would be lying if I said I didn't spend half the video trying to think how I would filter it. Bravo!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
If the thought of doing this without extra hardware wasn't so central to this video's thesis I would have totally added the filtering.
@JMurph2015
@JMurph2015 Месяц назад
Literally just need a bandpass filter. There's no other way to do that reliably when you can't bit-bang about the Nyquist frequency.
@xmine08
@xmine08 Месяц назад
In recent days the RU-vid algorithm has giving me more and more smaller channels that are doing amazing things. You're part of that group, looking forward to more content from you my dude! Also, as a software engineer, RF is absolute black magic to me..
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
I am also a software engineer. And I agree it feels like black magic at first, but then you get the hang of it.
@adrianovianawerneck472
@adrianovianawerneck472 Месяц назад
This is the most insane project I have seen lately. By the end of the video I was nutting with the range you manage to achieve just by bit banging the air. You are truly an RF Chad.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
I'm glad you watched it all the way though. It's a balance giving away the punchline up front, verses making people wait til the end.
@vladimir0rus
@vladimir0rus Месяц назад
Amazing as always! You are inspiring so many engineers, thank you!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Thank you for your comment, too.
@xtalviper
@xtalviper Месяц назад
GPIO pin: "So anyway, I started blasting..."
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Make a meme!
@ryebis
@ryebis Месяц назад
"things that only have a tiny chance of success" time to join the Qowat Milat 🤣 Well done, worked better than I would've expected.
@sinitarium
@sinitarium 20 дней назад
INSANE! I will have to replicate it to believe... Amazing video, thank you very much! I learned tons in this video I will have to watch multiple time. Glad I found your channel!
@rallokkcaz
@rallokkcaz Месяц назад
This is such a cool project and video. Thanks for sharing such awesome and insightful content!!!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Thank you for the comment!
@hanmonic
@hanmonic Месяц назад
This is amazing. So glad the algorithm sent me this!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Glad to have you - hope I earned a sub.
@PimpinPoptart06
@PimpinPoptart06 Месяц назад
Unbelievable dude. Well done
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Thanks
@GudinVladimir
@GudinVladimir Месяц назад
Wow! Absolutely fantastic video! And so unexpectedly large transmission distance! Thanks a lot for your work!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Thank you for your comment.
@theoldknowledge6778
@theoldknowledge6778 Месяц назад
Dude, you are a wizard!!! Amazing video! Amazing research 👏🏻
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Thank you!
@EggCess
@EggCess Месяц назад
This is simultaneously crazy, ingenious, awe-inspiring, insane, impressive and scary. Considering the still rampant lack of security of large parts of the IoT Appliances market, this makes me shudder - *even* if parts aren’t connected (or connectable) to WiFi (or even worse, various WANs). Just wow.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
I somehow missed you watching these old videos. Good to see you here too even if it did take me a few months.
@liammccarthy2651
@liammccarthy2651 Месяц назад
So impressive, I knew this was going to be a wild ride when you said the best square wave frequency you could achieve was 69.420MHz
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
I hope it didn't disappoint.
@jrr851
@jrr851 Месяц назад
When I heard that I checked the release date of the video to ensure it wasn't April 1st.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
@@jrr851 I learned my lesson about releasing real but ridiculous videos on April first
@RainDownpours
@RainDownpours Месяц назад
I'd just subscribed from all your past videos that you mentioned here. So many interesting videos!
@RainDownpours
@RainDownpours Месяц назад
OMG! You were the guy who broadcasted NTSC with ESP!!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Indeed... I have a lot of videos on NTSC
@nschurando
@nschurando Месяц назад
Awesome work. Your dedication to pursuing the unlikely is an inspiration.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Inspiration is the goal - get people to realize what they can do if they apply themselves
@AntonMadness
@AntonMadness Месяц назад
This reminds me of the PiFMplay, which is also magically awesome. It uses an raspberry pi to sent FM radio in to the ether. Just attach a wire to the board on 1/2 labda or something and you're good to go x-D
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
There's so many GPIO projects, I just enjoyed bringing another one to light.
@pedroavex
@pedroavex Месяц назад
Have you checked the RPiTx project? The concept is similar, I have have already played with it to transmit Whisper signals in HF and my signal was spotted thousands of Km away, but of course based on ionospheric refraction. However you could use RPiTx concept to transmit Lora, i think they didn't do it yet.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
There's so many of these all around, and I haven't checked it out. I just don't do much dev with rpi.
@tanmay______
@tanmay______ Месяц назад
this is just too insane for my brain to comprehend. major props to you sir
@benroberts127
@benroberts127 Месяц назад
This is an amazing project, LoRa has ingruiged me for some time, but to see this kind of a deep dive into it was very cool. I only wish I had the technical skills to attempt things like this! Very impressive.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
I hope this filled in a lot of the spooky unknowns with LoRa.
@oscareriksson9414
@oscareriksson9414 Месяц назад
69.420 mhz! Sounds nice...😊
@garry5280
@garry5280 Месяц назад
I'm guessing it wont pass FCC limits 😂 incredible work.
@kreuner11
@kreuner11 Месяц назад
Later in the video he actually makes it have very little extra noise outside of the desire frequency which is interesting
@nobodynoone2500
@nobodynoone2500 Месяц назад
make a lil bandpass. a bit of loss is worth the better signal imho.
@lo2740
@lo2740 Месяц назад
@@nobodynoone2500 it will require a SAW filter plus a class C amp to produce a decent RF output (in term of regulations), but i fear the side products of the class C will require one more SAW (not cheap) and still be too problematic, another way would be using the fundamental and a mixer, but the BOM cost will be too high. There is some cheap RF chips with registers access which could be torn to emulate LoRa TX properly (we did that at the time of sigfox in DBPSK), however a radio without RX isnt very useful. Small MCUs are capable of demodulating and decoding a 868/900MHz signal by using their fast ADC, a mixer and a 800KHz IF but again given the low price of an LLCC68 this would probably be a futile exercise (i did that for a mini sigfox basestation few years ago, using an STM32F4).
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
It's such a small amount of power it just might. But a SAW+Class C would be hoppin!
@yotacoil
@yotacoil Месяц назад
That is some clever stuff, aliasing all around and using harmonics to get signals out, beautiful
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
It was a lot of fun too!
@brouettebredouille8320
@brouettebredouille8320 11 дней назад
This opens so many opportunities. Thanks dude
@nolan412
@nolan412 Месяц назад
Data exfiltration by gpio sounds scary now.
@nobodynoone2500
@nobodynoone2500 Месяц назад
It's not exacxtly unheard of in the hacking world. There was a rather famous use about 25-30 years ago.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
It is pretty common nowdays, with several different air-gap techniques
@nolan412
@nolan412 Месяц назад
@@CNLohr Now a 1000 meters away. Balloon heights!
@sensorer
@sensorer Месяц назад
Love seeing Nyquist in the wild
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Or not seeing Nyquist in the wild. 🪄🪄🪄
@bart8P
@bart8P Месяц назад
The most amazing engeering video I've seen the past year. Awesome!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Thanks. My other videos are envious
@Versette
@Versette Месяц назад
This is absolutely crazy o.O I was thinking about something similar before, but it just stayed as an idea with no plan of how to actually make it And you somehow managed to do it!!! And with such a protocol too.. I wasn't even thinking of LoRa You earned a subscriber)
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Thanks! You could totally use my stuff as a basis to get started with taking this even further!
@jakob5481
@jakob5481 Месяц назад
Next step: make a receiver
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Oof. Too soon.
@Bp1033
@Bp1033 Месяц назад
Interesting how much of this I already knew from playing with audio. Rf and audio has a lot of overlap.
@nobodynoone2500
@nobodynoone2500 Месяц назад
It's all wave theory. You will be suprised to see that other energy like light can be approached in a very similar way.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Indeed. There's so many parts of the way our universe work that are all so interconnected.
@sphelx
@sphelx 23 дня назад
Thanks for this, I never knew that LoRA was actually a *closed* standard/protocol!
@ShrirajHegde
@ShrirajHegde Месяц назад
Instant subscribe ! Saw the title and knew this was going to be good
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
We went through a ton of different titles before we finally settled on this one.
@lambda7652
@lambda7652 Месяц назад
If you have VGA in your laptop you can probably do this without any extra hardware just by showing an image and with some xrandr magic. You could have shared effect that sends Loar
@andrewferguson6901
@andrewferguson6901 Месяц назад
You're saying I could broadcast a chip tune of rickroll audio with a legitimate rickroll gif?
@lambda7652
@lambda7652 Месяц назад
@@andrewferguson6901 with the gif working is a bit harder... but search for "tempest for elise"
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
I think VGA would be able to do this all incredibly well. But it's been a long time since I messed with it.
@chaemelion
@chaemelion Месяц назад
This scares me. I frequently consider how a state actor might exfiltrate data via compromised hardware/firmware. I had always reassured myself that they would never send it over the wire/air because of the risk that it would be detected with traditional network infrastructure monitoring. I also reassure myself that bit-banging something out over a funtenna to other compromised devices acting as relays would require so many compromised devices that they'd risk being discovered. But I hadn't considered LoRa... The infrastructure already exists, gateways are popping up everywhere, it operates far below the noise floor... Do you have any idea how easy it would be to exfiltrate private keys using malicious firmware or even silicon? A crypto co-processor? Hmm... maybe that thought deserves a PoC...
@landspide
@landspide Месяц назад
I think this is already being used...
@nobodynoone2500
@nobodynoone2500 Месяц назад
This tech has been used by state actors for about 40 years. Do with that what you will.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
There's so many other scarier things in the world. Don't worry about this stuff.
@mt-qc2qh
@mt-qc2qh Месяц назад
I am completely blown away by you knowledge and methods of engineering. Charles, you are a true wonder or out-of-the box engineering.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Tear down those barriers between disciplines. We weren't meant to live in little boxes.
@raguaviva
@raguaviva Месяц назад
This is the hack of the decade, awesome video. Thanks for sharing!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Thanks!
@NoorquackerInd
@NoorquackerInd Месяц назад
This is absolutely scary for IoT, imagine someone hacking into your freaking toaster and making a funtenna open your garage door
@kreuner11
@kreuner11 Месяц назад
Ok, you'd have to be a fucking FSB agent to have that happen to you, there are much more psychical and easier ways
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
But I want my garage door to open 8 minutes after my toast pops up...
@scottieburr
@scottieburr Месяц назад
you are a god. I whish I had an attention span as "short" as yours!! :D thanks for the effort you put in.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
It does take some discipline to quiet the more spongy things in our lives, like social media scrolling and YT shorts, but if you reject the petty fluff, it makes it a lot easier for even limited focus to develop. Sadly, I don't know if I'll ever fully recover from what facebook and instagram had done to my brain.
@benzen78
@benzen78 Месяц назад
That's incredible work!! Thank you!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Thank you for the comment
@freedtmg16
@freedtmg16 Месяц назад
This is one of the coolest things I've ever seen! Lora is one hell of a protocol, and you are one hell of a hardware hacker!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
thank you
@TaiwoHY
@TaiwoHY Месяц назад
I danced a little when RU-vid recommended your new video. Dammn!!! You're crazy good. Now i gotta go back to hardware ❤
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Software or hardware, it doesn't matter which as long as you keep going.
@pwarrow8858
@pwarrow8858 Месяц назад
This is absurd. In a good way. You are inasane. I am properly impressed. Great work !
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Thanks!
@theball1
@theball1 Месяц назад
Congratulations, one of the best things I've seen in a while!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Thanks!
@ReTrace1
@ReTrace1 Месяц назад
Nice. Thank you for your hard work and proof of operation.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Welcome!
@AfeezAbdulAziz
@AfeezAbdulAziz Месяц назад
i subscribed immediately, amazing video.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Glad to have earned your sub.
@syedmohammadsuhaib7464
@syedmohammadsuhaib7464 Месяц назад
Ohh bio at last 😂😂had to wait so long to get to see some of your interesting stuffs
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
bio? What does that mean?
@blazehenot2536
@blazehenot2536 Месяц назад
Absolutely amazing stuff as always, here's hoping we eventually get that video on esp32-s2 overclocking. Knowing how cagey Espressif gets about that sort of thing it would be incredibly funny (and hopefully useful!!!) to have a chip running at more than twice the clock of their announced "High Performance" P4 (400MHZ)
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
It may or may not happen. I have to get more LN2. I wasn't able to get a lot of the tests and shots I wanted.
@sellicott
@sellicott Месяц назад
Incredible as always!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Thanks!
@MohiFa
@MohiFa Месяц назад
I'm in awe. Thank you!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Thank you for watching
@NicksStuff
@NicksStuff Месяц назад
This is incredible. Absolutely incredible. But now you need to receive the packets!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
I'll leave that as an exercise of the viewer.
@msytdc1577
@msytdc1577 Месяц назад
@@CNLohr /me purchases Mikrotik receiver as seen in video 👨‍🍳💋🤌🤘😁
@KirtikSoni
@KirtikSoni Месяц назад
lmao @@CNLohr
@anispinner
@anispinner Месяц назад
The video itself has to be nominated for The Most Entertaining Movie in 2024 award. Thank you, Charles, for your groundbreaking work.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
We'll see how far it goes. The video's already done better than I expected.
@initialb123
@initialb123 Месяц назад
nice work & well put together video/upload .
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Thanks!
@badgerdash
@badgerdash Месяц назад
It's a serious big brain energy here! Subscribed!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Thanks, glad I earned it.
@Silentragetrolling
@Silentragetrolling Месяц назад
So glad you dropped new content plz.plz plz make more on RF world make a series breaking down everything including buidling setups or flashing processes coding etc.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
I generally only make videos when I do projects and they turn out well. A do typically 5-10 BIG projects per year, some are success some are failures, but I only want to spend the time on the real gems to make a video for them.
@Silentragetrolling
@Silentragetrolling Месяц назад
@@CNLohr thank you for your time and energy spent. I will continue to learn from you salute.
@mdtanvirahmedsagor6146
@mdtanvirahmedsagor6146 Месяц назад
Man you are an insanely talented person. Now I am convinced that RF engineers are kind of like wizards.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Thing is I'm just a software engineer. This is just tinkering.
@belesiu
@belesiu 17 дней назад
It's really all about the performance of the receiver. I agree that constraints drives creativity. Being able to generate the LoRa protocol from a simple controller is very, very clever. Also, the emissions from a digital signal is a function of the rise and fall times as well as the period. The sharper the edges, the stronger the harmonics.
@pete3897
@pete3897 Месяц назад
ffs! well done mate, an epic lid opener on Lora and bitbang'd RF. Bravo
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Thanks
@yourr_dude
@yourr_dude Месяц назад
I have no idea what is going on here but I see a huge work that you’ve done
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
I hope I've given you a foothold to understand the principles surrounding this project
@BeckyDBlack
@BeckyDBlack Месяц назад
YOU DESERVE 1 MILLIION SUBSCRIBERS!!!!!! AMAZING VIDEO WTF, IM TELLING MY BOSS
@alelondon23
@alelondon23 Месяц назад
you are a freaking stubborn genius!
@N0FPV
@N0FPV Месяц назад
Phenomenal work!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
Thanks!
@richardneifeld7797
@richardneifeld7797 7 дней назад
Unbelievable! That is, amazing.
@ChaddRainsFPV
@ChaddRainsFPV Месяц назад
Subscribing for more Frank. Awesome work dude!! 🤙
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
I hope I can snag frank for more of these too! But he is a busy man.
@randomlegodev
@randomlegodev Месяц назад
dude you are freaking incredible :O
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Месяц назад
thanks
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