How Far Can You PUSH the Canon R6 in Lowlight?! 

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Topaz is amazing!

I agree! Topaz Denoise works miracles sometimes. I'd love to see Katelyn do a video with these same images running Topaz on them.

@@jgates me too. I feel like my results with Topaz are so up and down. I'd love to watch someone I trust help us know how to use it!

Exactly my thought when I watched this video.

I think I'm going to take a look at these programs.

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Yes, I love my eos r, but above 6400 iso, no bueno

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I can't remember the last time I used a flash at a wedding. The R6 really kicks the quality I used to have on my old 6Ds.

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Agreed. I printed pics of my own wedding on canvas. The lack of image quality gets compensated by viewing distance and the grainy canvas. So why bother? Still looks amazing and my wife and I don't pixel peep. 😊

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In situations like this, I'll take noise over blurry images every time!

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It could be, I just didn't use it because it does let in less light, however I should have pulled the 85 down to 1.6

But you would have lost depth of field… you were worried about that group shot with four where the lady on the right was ‘soft’. Thanks for the video. I shoot theatre so this video is very interesting. Like others I’d like to see you use Topaz Ai

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It wasn't allowed

You and me both!

Wow! That looks like a real interesting location. I tend to push my gear to the limit so I'd love to shoot there! I also get good results with minimal lighting gear when needed. I hope you don't mind if I butt in? This location has its challenges but, judging from what I can see in the video, it has so many possibilities. But, first thing - go there beforehand and do some test shots! Take a friend to model for you (get them to sit in all the nicely lit spots - see below). Then go home and edit them so you can see what you can get. Talk to the management about adding a subtle bounced light or two (see below). Dark surfaces will still bounce light but you will need to crank up the ISO more than usual with bounce flash. It will probably be more directional than usual but still soft. Be careful if the wood is glossy as there may be hard reflections bounced onto your subject. It may be better to bounce lights rather than flashes - ask management. If possible, for the ceremony, put the flash/s on a stand and bounce off a wall near the ceremony. It's hard to tell from the video but if there is a suitably placed wall to the side but if there is you'll get some very nice soft side lighting. If not there seems to be a wall panel opposite the fireplace and above the columns which might work. You will need to adjust the colour temp in post or edit them in B&W. After the ceremony, if allowed, I'd be bouncing an LED light off the wall or ceiling down the dark end for the duration (i did see some lightly painted panels in the video but even dark wood will work) - It won't need to be too bright - you just need a boost down that end. Ask em they might let you set one up. It's in management's best interests to have usable light in their location to showcase it. But just enough to fill the dark without affecting the ambience too much. Another thing you can do is some very nice portraits by those table lamps - that soft glow is so photogenic. A bit like at 2:08 but not full lenght and much closer to both the lamp/s and subject (get the people close to the lamp so the light is strong and soft). That lamp, table and chair behind them looks real nice for single portraits. I bet there's lots of little spots like that in there. Get small groups (3 or 4 max) to huddle around them to make some real intimate portraits and group shots - get in close, fill the frame! They might even let you move some lamps around so you can set up a little ambient light studio around a sofa or lounge chair. At functions I often invite people into a space with nice light to photograph them. At one very dimly lit venue I go to, shooting from behind the bar is the best location - the bar fridges provide the light! I ask the staff if I can come behind the bar and ask the subjects to order a drink and pose. From this angle I get very nice light on them as they lean on the bar, sip their drinks, smile and laugh - they are very relaxed and the light is soft and flattering (it's fluorescent so colour temp needs to be adjusted in edit) . From this angle the background is fantastic with the crowd and the lights - it adds context, colour and even a bit of excitement. I do this several time during a function at this location. The thing is, I bring them to this spot and set them up for the shot, its not candid, its set up, posed. A row of full height bar fridges are often good as a light source because they are wide and well lit cast a nice soft glow toward patrons at the bar - like a massive softbox. The bars in this dark venue don't look to well lit but I bet there are some really nice spots in that venue lit by lamps that you can drag people to for a very short and intimate portrait/group session. Do you have any f1.2, f1.4 or f1.8 lenses? You'd really need em here. For set up shots where no one is moving, if you're careful you can shoot at some pretty low shutter speeds and still get great results - just hold the button down shoot plenty so you can choose the sharpest in edit. Sorry - a bit of a rant! I hope it's not condescending - I don't know your experience/skill level - if so, my apologies. Hope it helps. Good luck!

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​@@TonyGrant. are you my guardian angel?? This is REALLY fun to read through and has my gears turning about how I can use this venue to be more creative and really showcase the unique features rather than run from it. Yes, I've got fast prime lenses, and I appreciate your thoughts about bouncing flash on wood. I've ordered some soft boxes to try to use with my speed lights but honestly they are bulky, I'm afraid they will still look too much like direct light, and I'm not experienced with them. If bounce flash will work I'd much prefer it for the ceremony. I'm not allowed any test shots with flash until the day of the wedding, hour before the ceremony, so my goal is to go in with 2-3 scenarios for the ceremony and just see which one works best! I am SO concerned about their reception which is in this little nook Katelyn was shooting in but without ANY window light because it's an evening event in November. I will definitely be looking to move some lamps or group people close to them for the non-candid shots...that's a great idea. I'm considering bringing in continuous light (which they say I can do) but the bride and groom also really love this place for the atmosphere and I'm afraid that even a soft continuous light might feel really invasive. But your fridge idea made me realize I don't have to light the whole space, maybe I could just bring in an LED to one small area? Lots of food for thought. I really appreciate your rant and it wasn't at all condescending, and if you have any more thoughts please leave them!

@@Morglopedia Haha! OK, you won't be able to shut me up now! :D (Apologies to Katelyn ;) I'm pleased that you like and enjoyed what I've written. That really does look like a fantastic location from a quality of light point of view if not a quantity of light point of view. I expect you will find many little nooks and crannies and oasis of light to work with. A micro wedding might really suit the intimate style of portraits you'll probably end up taking there. The thing about the table lamps is they're sort of similar to candlelight in a way. To get some ideas of how to use them, have a look at some photos online which are illuminated by candlelight and you may get similar but with even softer light. Google 'candle light portraits'. Although, unlike candle light portraits, you probably shouldn't (for them most part) get the light source in the shot. Are you saying they won't let you go in there beforehand even when there's no function on to test flashes or whatever? Will they let you go in beforehand without flashes? This is all a bit weird and they are shooting themselves in the foot in so far as social media presence goes. But if you have an hour beforehand you will at least be able to work out whether or not bounce flash/lamp will work. Your main issue maybe positioning the flash to get a good bounce while not being in the way. You should certainly take your soft boxes and use them if you have to but see if you can get the bounced light to work. The bounced light will probably create softer, broader and more even illumination. Although, as I said above, you will have to adjust the colour balance if bouncing off the wood. I often find the best way to do this in camera raw is to get the white balance tool and just click on black white or neutral grey in the shot to get you in the ballpark. What diameter are the softboxes? The rule of thumb with assessing/controlling soft quality of light is; the broader the source of illumination the softer the light. So a larger softbox will be softer than a smaller softbox. Bouncing illumination off an entire wall will be softer again. Also, the closer your subjects are to a soft source of illumination the softer the light falling on them will be. Also consider using a constant light source to illuminate the ceremony rather than flashes. You may be able to strike a nice balance between the fill light you're bouncing and the ambient light, albeit still at a high ISO. If you do take a continuous light there are two things I think you should consider doing. The first one is to bounce the light high off the wall or ceiling. The next is to make sure that it is dimmable so that you don't flood out the ambience with this light. If you set it up right you should be able to strike a balance between the ambient light and the bounced light. Although in Katelyn's video the fireplace didn't look illuminated at all - so maybe just flood that sucker with nice soft light! If you end up going with direct softboxes you can still strike a balance between the flash and ambient light. If you measure the light to determine the ambient exposure you can then just underexpose it by a stop or less and adjust your flashes up so they just fill but don't overpower the ambient light. You can try this at home in your lounge room or where ever when it's dark. If you want a full explanation of it I'm happy to start another rant! Speaking of rants, I have posted another rant above (or is it below?) in here about shooting a party with similarly appalling lighting conditions. You may find some of it relevant. I'm very keen to see what you come up with. Do you have an Instagram? Mine is Instagram.com/tonygrantpix Cheers!

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Eventually! I think it looks like a great option for RF shooters!

Totally!!

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The A73 has pretty good low light performance! You might want to do some test shots before so you know your limit!

@@KatelynJames Question Will you be getting the R6 mark 2?

I'm not worried about getting safe shot, I prefer to be in control. Maybe!

I need canon to send me one!

Shooting at 1.6 for group portraits would be even more risky to get everyone in focus!

Great point! Thanks for the quick response. If I had shot at 1.2 (which I would have done) then some people would be out of focus. Hence soft. Thanks!

The 28-70 2.0 and 85 1.2

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I don't think they would have allowed LED lights... They were very strict

There is a whole video about it... Ill try to find it

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Can we get an answer to this question?

It interferes with the "venue's ambiance" and creates distractions in a space designed to look and feel a particular way has been the responses I've gotten in the past. I stopped asking after the 3rd or 4th event.

@@SpawningFish if that's the rule, ok then. But, an event with 10 people that wanted photos of it, and they still think that a flash would be a distraction. Eyes rolling.

@@wastedtalentusa It always works out. It's really ALL about a couple's experience. Learning that is one of the hardest things for many aspiring photographers. To be successful, we need to take good pictures, and I love learning from people like KJ. At the end of the day, what matters most is what the couples want, and delivering that is what propels us forward, so I'm happy to oblige :0) 108 weddings in 26 months has thought me that it's the one thing that matters above all else. Given the basics of course.

It was off a hotel lobby, I think that may have been why

@@wastedtalentusa I know right, I've never ever had this, except one at a church

No. I don't shoot in low light situations very often and 12 MP is just not enough for me. Also I only own Canon lenses. I would only recommend the A7SIII for video purposes.

In Adobe RAW, if you turn up the 'Colour Noise Reduction' you can eliminate the blotchiness.

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Possibly but it's always a risk! I'd rather be safe than sorry!