How Fast Can You Beat Pokemon Red/Blue with just a Dugtrio? 

As someone who also deals woth migraines way too often, I can say that his narration is absolutely the best. From Brazil.

haha thanks, I did wanna go into sports radio as a kid, so that's probably a big reason why I'm like this. Sorry about the migraines but glad you still get to enjoy the videos!

@@Jrose11 you'd make a great radio showcaster. All the best

@@Jrose11 I'd like to echo the sentiment, although I don't have any medical reasons I just like playing videos as background. You geninuely have an outstanding narrative voice.

Another person who struggles with chronic migraines, and also noting the simple but clean editing (the nice toned backgrounds and little graphics that slide in and out) help my eyes be able to handle watching them. Thanks (again) from canada :]

Or like most of JRose's videos "How many times do I have to reset every battle until I get good enough luck to win, but we use in game time to make it representative of how good the pokemon is even though some need 5 resets to win and others only 1 but the 5 reset pokemon gets ranked higher because I didn't think this through and should be using real world time not in game time as that's more representative."

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@@David-ud9ju tell me you’re mad at his videos without telling me you’re mad at his videos

I mean it makes about as much sense as it being able to use slash

The poor three headed dude probably has to shake violently underground as it tries to slam its body into the enemy. No wonder it causes earthquakes all the time.

Body Slam and Slash make sense when you consider it's speed stat. The joke is it moves so fast you can't see it.

I always invision Dugtrio having a tail underground lol

@@SvjatoslavPodoplelov I see it as Dugtrio digging fast in a straight line doing a body check since that is what the animation looks like

This sounds awful i love it

Raichu would use 10 more minutes than Pikachu against Brock, and smash Pikachu for the rest of the game. Soon as he gets Body Slam, it’s over

Idk. Both their attack and special may be decent early to mid, but it will have trouble during late game with pokemon with higher special and the defenses are pretty bad. It does have very good speed, so higher critical hits will happen pretty often.

Poliwrath is another example where I feel like it'll struggle a bit more than Poliwag because of the lower Speed and added Psychic weakness. But who knows for that one.

How about Wigglytuff? That can't learn anything except Sing until it gets to Water Gun in Mt Moon.

The Bobbafet video was way too boring. Couldn't finish it. Sucks for him to have to go through that.

I gotta go back and watch that Looked like a real struggle

It's like everything is back in it's place 😌

@@delt19 watch the very end, it had a suprise ending that was pretty interesting. He wasn't able to use the struggle strat on red so it was pretty hype

@@jromofo I knew it was gonna be hype at red. Wobbuffet has been the mvp for me in an insane amount of fights so I was happy about struggle not being used at the end.

Your videos are amazing man, love them as much as jrose's. Keep going, man!✌🏼😊

Thanks for commenting too, I heard it’s good for the RU-vid algorithm...

I enjoy both of your content!! Immediate click when I see them on my feed

In this community we love and support eachother! You can in fact watch 20 different Pokemon RU-vidrs and enjoy all of them!

That's what it boils down to. Enjoying the content, no matter who puts it out. Everyone has their own style and it's not a competition. You're both great, keep up the excellent work gentlemen!

Dugtrio and Diglett, are amazing at Nuzlockes!! Just bring a Pidgeotto along to dodge their dig attacks, and hope they don't use scratch/ slash on you to kill your favourite bird. in gen 3 though, Diglett and Dugtrio have Arena trap, which makes switch impossible, unless your flying or have levitate.

Yup. And once it learned Earthquake it was a destroyer of all things that didn’t fly. Great counter vs Alakazam too

You can actually catch it before Misty if you want to. You don't actually have to fight misty until after the SS Anne.

One of the few memories I have of my first Red play through was running into that over leveled Dugtrio in the cave and watching him slaughter my team cause I either couldn’t escape or tried to catch him, which took many tries

@@dannyt9744 lvl 31 dugtrio?

@@melancholypuppy3595 Normally you wouldn't have a Pokemon up that high a level, especially if you didn't know it was there and it was your first time playing.

That was my first shiny, a dugtrio in diglett cave. But of course it was in one of those offshoot pokemon mmo type games so it doesn't really count. I even hunted for them, but I've never found a single shiny in a mainline game. I find them a lot in pokemon GO, and have found 3 random max odds in that same mmo game, but no dice ingame apparently.

Why wasn't he impressed? Sounds like a jerk who was trying to laud it over you.

Glad to know that I'm not the only one who uses Pokemon Challenge video's audio to fall asleep to.

Prepare for you nightmares to be full of critical hits

@@MasaKaneshiro me too, almost every night

@@jacobellis2313 The snooze really sets in when the body slam arc starts, usually.

Watch out for dream eater lol

That's typical of his videos. It can be excessive at times.

@@mh11213 it can I agree. But I’ve come to accept the 8 badge challenge isn’t difficult. It’s always the last 6 battles that hurt the most because of the steep level curve

@@leehackett1614 I'd argue it has a lot more to do with the gauntlet nature of the E4 then the level curve.

I havent watched yet but I think its about speed. Dig is twice as slow as scratch

@@beforeflight5566 moves other than prioeirty moves dont have any speed.

@@robertharris6092 He/She meant that it takes 2 turns instead of 1, so it takes twice the in-game time. Although the power is almost double even after resistance, so there was probably not that much difference

I think this is PP management so that he doesn't need to go back to a pkmn center.

@@Jeremmeuh there is a pkmn Center right infront of mt moon. Jrose prolly just forget/ didnt Think of it. People read way too much into it. It doesnt even Matter since he wouldve had to reset anyway

Yeah RS was only stronger vs flyers and bugs. Even slash was nearly as strong 140 vs 150 but no chance of miss

​@@IrrelevantPridecrits aren't exactly 2x in gen 1

Slash ignored the badge boosts though. So earthquake would have been way more powerful.@@IrrelevantPride

@patrickmullaney1090 I was advocating for him to use earthquake and only pointing out even slash wasn't far behind in terms of base damage compared to a se rock slide

Rock slide is more powerful because gen 1 is.... strange.... with rock slide the damage will be 1% or 2% more, and if range it's involved, will be the difference between win or defeat. In another video (diglett) he explain this.

There's a US Naval base in Vermilion's real world counterpart city of Yokohama so I think he's a Navy guy. But who knows.

@@gaminggoddess85 Naval pilot works just as well, if not better now that you've pointed it out. I just see him in a fighter plane

@@gaminggoddess85 navy for sure, with him being placed next to the ocean.

I always pictured him in the trenches but that's just the aspect of war we were taught most early on, since the idea of vehicles in war, especially aircraft, are very modern all things considered

@@thegoldenpepper8702 I would have thought that flying pokemon would be better if he were a pilot. He'd have to leave all his pokemon behind otherwise. How's he using a Raichu in a dog fight? Pulling the ejector handle to get the canopy off and throwing his poke ball at an enemy aircraft in the hope that Raichu can shock it?

Lol don't watch the stream then, I'm not quite as "creative" there 😅

​@@Jrose11Do Victreebel next!

Oh snap, I'm subscribed to you. Unexpected overlap 😂

Can you explain the Jimmy story to me?

Fun fact: Poliwag has the advantage of being faster than Poliwrath by a significant margin making it a better hypnosis user.

@@ShotaroAsakura exp group matters, too. Is poliwrath in the same group as Poliwag or slower?

@@devent10n same

Poliwhirl may actually be better than Poliwrath.

Also Poliwrath doesn't get Amnesia, which really sucks

Ice beam/ Blizzard + Psychic, basically destroys the entire gen 1 meta game. i think it can also learn Body Slam too!

I would definitely would love to see jynx/magmar/electabuzz tackle this

Yeah, I used Jynx in a playthrough recently, and I was shocked at how easily it just destroyed everything. Granted, part of it was trade exp, but it still seemed to have a way to deal with anything.

Yup, I always get the Jynx in Cerulean. It curb stomps everything for the rest of the game.

Early game is going to suck more eggs than Dugtrio lmao. You're right it'll completely murder the game after Celadon though. Like not even fair, it will KILL everything.

Atleazt in terms of stats it seems like a genuinly atrong pokemon by gen 1 standards. Definitly competing with later gen mon.

Same, either Starmie or Aerodactyl could be interesting to see how far they come.

It gets psychic, thunderbolt, ice beam and surf. Once it gets past misty it would destroy the rest of the game

@@YOSSARIAN313 thats what i mean by strong by gen 1 stamdards. 100 base sp. Atk with 90 BP moves isnt remotly impressive any more. Really sad.

It can beat the game at minimum battles. The grass type trainer after the bush before rock tunnel is the biggest hurdle.

My thought as well. His player name being Trieyo (and the rival being named Dude) pretty well confirms that, I'd say EDIT: oh, also it's in the description, lol

I see, another man of culture.

I have done it myself and it's dummy easy if you manage your TMs properly

@@pikarceuseternamax6269 also, due to a gen 1 glitch, Snorlax can not be paralysed by an opposing pokemons body slam attack. don't know why, but in gen 1, body slam can not under any circumstances paralyse a normal type pokemon. although moves like thunderwave, still work fine on them. weird for sure.

That's just a mechanic that didn't allow Pokémon to be statused by an attack of their own type, so Fire mons couldn't be burned and Ice mons couldn't be frozen, it had the sid effect of doing the Body Slam thing

Uhhhh no. In the speedrun community, Dugtrio is likely one of the top ten pokes. Not a joke. This boils down to bad routing and poor execution. Nothing against JRose, but this was a poor showing.

What routing would you have used? And what would have helped against Lorelei since even Nidoking speedruns end at around level 50. I am genuinely curious since there doesn't seem to be an easy out here. Hyper Beam isn't really accessible and EQ/SE Rock Slide does more than Double Edge. Fissure and Double Team is banned in these runs. I can't see a way that you can do a routing that would break the brick wall here, especially in a run that doesn't abuse the X Accuracy OHKO strat.

Well said buddy

I'm glad I'm not the only one who does this!

Being one of them as well!

The Alakazam's will be dangerous though

Someone recently did a Poliwag vs Poliwhirl vs Poliwrath competition, and Poliwhirl actually did the best. Poliwrath's Fighting type is actually more of a liability than a benefit, and Poliwrath doesn't get Amnesia.

It's by VanMan if you're curious to check it out

Yeah, Physical is just awful unless you are the top-tier Pokemon and even they are dependent on Special moves.

@@Redpoppy80 e.g. Tauros using Blizzard and occasionally Fire Blast

I would assume Helix cuz it's ever so slightly faster

Chaotic Meatball can be entertaining if you like rom hacks, as well as Zimbo/Ziwo/Zigwo (don’t quite remember the exact name of the channel, but shouldn’t be hard to find it). In terms of narration and strats jrose is miles ahead though, imo

@@rodrigobostelmann2309 Having preferences is perfectly fine. I'm sure you were aware, but I'll specify for others that I'm only talking about people who are actively being toxic in the comments. And thanks for the recommendations, I'll check those people out later. It feels like a lot of the big Pokémon RU-vid channels aren't actually playing the games that much these days and are more concerned with reporting news, leaks, and rumors. And you know, I'm not saying they aren't allowed to, but I do kinda prefer to watch actual gameplay when I got some free time.

Pikasprey isn't a challenge player per se, he's more into variety but has a lot of "alternate reality pokémon" playlists as he likes to call the romhacks. He has two channels and in the Yellow one he has "lock" challenges where he likes to think how to give the worst possible save to someone else to play. Blue channel is his VOD, since he streams at Twitch. If you're still reading, I'd also recommend the Imported Cheese channel. He's more into glitch hunting but he does challenges in Pokémon Showdown, using teams from Patreon and his chat when he streams. He also makes tierlists. Lastly, I vouch for Paraspectre. He plays challenges in the TCG and comments about the main line games in a very "movie review" way, while putting his own memories (a bit like Scott), which is neat. I actually heard about this one from MahDryBeard and I only knew about this one from JRose11 so they're a very cool, wholesome community! Here are some honourable mentions: ChaoticMeatball makes Catch'em all Challenges, PaPaSea makes Nintended runs. They sometimes collab with other players with small channels that's worth checking out. CHAZZY is into Elite 4 Monotype runs, very competitive insight.

@@rodrigobostelmann2309 I think it's Zwigo and I actually forgot about him in my comment, thanks for bringing him up!

It isn't even just the older runs. Like, to me it is vwry apparent that deleting Fire Spin on Ponyta was the wrong call and if he sisn't he woukdn't need to level to 80. Mistakes are unavoidable, but they are disheartening when a mon get a terrible ranking because it din't use the best tool for the job.

I think at the end of this video it really answers this question. Jrose says he considers all possible outcomes when finally deciding on the rank, not just how the actual run went. The story is about the run that we see, but the rank is about all runs in general, that was my interpretation. Yeah I'd love to see a whole run through again of optimal runs, but that's up to Jrose and who knows, maybe Ruby/Sapphire or FireRed/Leaf Green will be the next series.

@@conza1989 The end of the video is what prompted me to ask the question. He considers how hard the run was compared to how hard the other runs were, but now he's developed his overall strategy so much, a lot of those earlier runs would probably be considerably less hard (or need less effort to figure out).

i mean the one that came to my mind was squirtle since he did not use withdraw to badge boost (because he did not know how it worked back then).

@@noukan42 Have you seen the Disney Star Wars trilogy? Going back and redoing older things because you think you have better tools to do the job now doesn't always end in success.

Ty came here just to say that. Haha

youre not wrong but he used amnesia to be able to tank hydro pump/blizzard from lapras.

I'm calculating that dugtrio's slash would be better on average than eq after 3 withdraws. Slash has 70 base power and does x2 damage with crit. it always ignores def boosts, so it always does 140 base power. I'm not sure if it gets the intended single 12.5% badge boost because of the crit, but I know it does not get any additional badge boosts. If this is true, then slash's base power is instead 157, after rounding down. Eq has 100 basepower and has a 1.5x STAB effect. I think the badge boost glitch is an additive effect, so that after 3 amnesias, there is a 12/8 multiplicative factor instead of 9/8. If that is correct, then eq has 225 base power with no crit. Gen 1 dugtrio has a 120/512, or 23.4% chance to crit, which does x2 damage but reduces the badge boost multiplier down to 9/8 for an effective 337 base power after rounding down. After accounting for crit chance, the expected value of eq's base power is 251.25. Each withdraw boosts slowbro's defense by 50%, so after one withdraw the non-crit effective base power is down to 150, which is worse than slash's base power. The 337 base power crit eq ignores the defense buffs. In this scenario, the expected value of eq's base power is 193.8. We can repeat this for each defense buff to see when eq's expected value drops lower than slash's expected value of 157. 2 withdraws puts eq's expected base power at 164.7, and 3 withdraws puts eq's expected base power at 147.9. So after 3 withdraws, dugtrio is better off using slash instead of eq.

The badge boosts are applied directly to the stat, not by stat stages like growl or agility's effects. Raising your stats in this way wouldn't be affected by a crit because it's raised by the badge boosts pointwise and not by a multiplier when calculation is done

Gen 1 learnsets as a whole are largely baffling. Who thought Golbat should wait till level 32 for Wing Attack, or that Onix should wait till level 43 for Harden, or that Rhyhorn should wait till level 50 (or 55 if you evolve it) for Leer when it learns Tail whip at level 35?

Some of these learnsets, like thunderbolt and blizzard being learnable by persian for example i think, are pretty ridiculous

Oddly poetic considering Jimmy's origin story

That's fair.

Mah−Dry−Bread would be triggered by JRose11 not allowing double team abuse.

@@ShinyTillDawn Just allow minimise abuse, since all pokémons can canonically shrink down to fit in balls. Easy fix lol I guess that's fair though tbh.

@@ShinyTillDawn that's the main reason that I don't like his videos that much

I usually watch this videos right before I go to bed cuz by the time it's over I'm tired as hell lol

always happens

I think you're thinking of Yellow.

Too much of everything is unhealthy. Yes even positivty (which sadly many people still not believe.

i love using Bellsprout. Wrap is so busted in gen 1. plus my Yellow version Victrebell, somehow managed to get its special stat, with out stat modifying items in celedon city department store, to the exact same number, as the index number of the fossil areodactyl sprite, allowing me to dupe my items, using trainer fly glitch and making a ditto transform into Victrebell. In yellow version, fighting normal missingno crashes the game.

How does a mon with Calm Mind and sword dance in gen 1 sound bad to you?

@@noukan42 1 good STAB attacking move in Razor Leaf which will crit a lot and ignore Growth boosts. Zero coverage moves. Weak to Sabrina, Blaine, Lorelei, and can't touch Agatha. Sure can do well against Misty and Brock but will hit a will at Rival Fieval

@@grandmoffyoda sleep powder the first mon. Setup sword dance. Sweep. All that is needed is to not be oneshot by tje first mon that usually doesn't carry the strongest moves. Agatha is the only trainer i can think of that wouldn't be easy as hell. The hard part would be levelling to a point where you can badge boost into outspeeding.

@@noukan42 yeh fair point sleep powder makes up for a lot but as you say I think you will need to level up a fair bit to make it consistent

The problem with Dig though, its a 2-turn attack. an attack that takes 2 turns to even do anything, is really slow in a speedrun setting, and its just faster in most cases to just keep hitting scratch. Dig is amazing in a casual playthrough, where your not worrying about speeding through the game as fast as possible.

It’s still better to use the STAB dig move. 75 effective power verse 70. Not to mention you didn’t take any damage during all of dig. Two turns of scratch means you take one more turn where the enemy can hit you. You then need to heal more or do more attempts within a battle.

@@DKQuagmire He ended up fighting extra trainers to be able to beat Pokémon with scratch, so it saved no time.

What irritates me about this is that Exeggutor has phenomenal Special, but they don't give it any Special moves. It could be so powerful but it just isn't.

@@nathanielgrey4091 it doesn't get Solar Beam or Bullet Seed?