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How Game of Thrones is of our Moment: Philosophy, Politics & Westeros 

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@golgarisoul
@golgarisoul 5 лет назад
“... government is a shared myth. When the myth dies, the government dies.” Leto II
@Black_pearl_adrift
@Black_pearl_adrift 3 года назад
Dune, another great work.
@youngchanyoo4460
@youngchanyoo4460 5 лет назад
Ending the subject that has no end by not ending. Classic.
@lifeofasinner2101
@lifeofasinner2101 3 года назад
aka the sopranos
@hideshiseyes2804
@hideshiseyes2804 5 лет назад
Brilliant. That Varis and Tyrion scene had always stuck with me, and I’ve thought about it a lot throughout my MA over the last two years as I learned about thinkers like Foucault. I would love to see this channel do more of this kind of thing, applying theory to specific bits of media or pop culture.
@ThenNow
@ThenNow 5 лет назад
Thanks you! I will try to a bit more... I've done a few on True Crime, Shawshank Redemption, Jaws, etc.
@johnmanole4779
@johnmanole4779 Год назад
​@@ThenNow what was that unfinished sentence at the end? Please what did you mean? 😳 I ain't good with subtleties!
@0xGEEK
@0xGEEK 5 лет назад
Finally something not-stupid on GoT here on YT! Thank you very much! ... Also, here's a quote by Trotsky you might appreciate: "Naive minds think that the office of kingship lodges in the king himself, in his ermine cloak and his crown, in his flesh and bones. As a matter of fact, the office of kingship is an interrelation between people. The king is king only because the interests and prejudices of millions of people are refracted through his person. When the flood of development sweeps away these interrelations, then the king appears to be only a washed-out man with a flabby lower lip." (Beginning of 'What Is National Socialism?', 1933)
@ThenNow
@ThenNow 5 лет назад
Thanks! Great quote :)
@julesdudes853
@julesdudes853 5 лет назад
Thank you for making these videos, you deserve much more than what you get. But also, I'm broke.
@wcropp1
@wcropp1 5 лет назад
Interesting analysis-it’s a much more Machiavellian tale than your typical “Hero’s Journey,” and that’s what made it different. As soon as they kill off Ned Stark at the end of season 1, you know they’ve flipped the script.
@fallinghippos9758
@fallinghippos9758 4 года назад
Got chills immediately cause of the music...
@Emileigggggh
@Emileigggggh 5 лет назад
this video is great! sorry idk what to comment but you deserve more engagement
@chickenlittle_jae7979
@chickenlittle_jae7979 4 года назад
Wow your channel is so underrated, the research is so good and the videos are very very good and deep
@danielbrooks7764
@danielbrooks7764 5 лет назад
Post-modern Constructivist theory is not complete without elite theory. The Game is nothing without players. Social Constructions are made by players of the game. And the mechanisms and levers may be systemic structures, but systems do not make decisions; individuals do. The Game is about individuals within structures; structures without individuals are dead. Things to consider: Instrumental Causality. Endogeneity vs Exogeneity. Iron Calculus. Fog of War. Bounded Rationality. Clausewitz's Unholy Trinity (both versions). Up your game, Then&Now. ;) Jon Snow killed Dany and broke the wheel by denying his rightful claim; a choice not unlike George Washington or Cincinnaticus. Or maybe Jamie Lannister. Dany was a symbolic representation of the Soviet Dekulakization.
@Epicrandomness1111
@Epicrandomness1111 4 года назад
I don't think any analysis of society is complete without elite theory, as it is fundamentally accurate in how human societies govern themselves. And it cannot be escaped. Every revolution, or civil war, are just one set of elites clashing with or supplanting another. The best we can achieve is having a society which is honest about that.
@nic9356
@nic9356 3 года назад
Jamie’s the goat, but of a Bruce Wayne archetype too (perceived as a selfish rich playboy secretly a sacrificial hero)
@nicholasbodo4327
@nicholasbodo4327 5 лет назад
I assume you slam cutting to black was intentional. But great video, man. Let’s hope when and if George does finish the series we get the meaning ending it deserves.
@cloe412
@cloe412 4 года назад
This is so great and brilliant. Wow! Thank you so much for the insight and research!
@ThenNow
@ThenNow 4 года назад
You're welcome :)
@9000ck
@9000ck 5 лет назад
Damn that's good. Insightful.
@Jide-bq9yf
@Jide-bq9yf 5 лет назад
Of course we are in a matrix of culture ; But that doesn’t mean I have no agency ; It just circumscribes it , to what degree it’s hard to tell, but there is self evidently enough room in a deterministic universe to allow for free will within its walls .
@monkeymox2544
@monkeymox2544 5 лет назад
If that were self evident, philosophers and scientists wouldn't still be arguing about it. For my part, I don't see how we can have true free will, given that our brains are subject to the same deterministic laws as everything else in the universe. But that doesn't mean I don't think we can sensibly talk about freedom and agency as phenomenological experiences.
@brettvincenzini7089
@brettvincenzini7089 5 лет назад
Perhaps free will exists within the gap opened up by the apprehension of our circumstance and of the relations of power that move us. Mabe it is the ability to respond in multifarious ways to existing structures.
@johnarbuckle2619
@johnarbuckle2619 5 лет назад
Interesting
@chickenlittle_jae7979
@chickenlittle_jae7979 4 года назад
Really really good video!!!
@doovstoover9703
@doovstoover9703 Месяц назад
Where has this video been all my life sheeeesh c'mon RU-vid get it together
@lindycameron
@lindycameron 3 года назад
GRM studied a lot of politics (possibly majored if I recall an interview correctly) and minored in history. It definitely comes through.
@Black_pearl_adrift
@Black_pearl_adrift 3 года назад
excellent, excellent analysis.
@ismailfrouini
@ismailfrouini 4 года назад
This is interesting! Good analysis!
@HxH2011DRA
@HxH2011DRA 5 лет назад
We write in other people's blood, the storm ends when the white walkers come and we run out
@pranoy2
@pranoy2 Год назад
AMAZING VIDEO BRUDDA
@jimmyjim9935
@jimmyjim9935 5 лет назад
More of this please!!!
@maryambvd
@maryambvd Год назад
Brilliant! Thank you
@CosmiaNebula
@CosmiaNebula 4 года назад
That's how stories should end: somewhere 63.7% before the reader gets bored
@nic9356
@nic9356 3 года назад
So brilliant
@rasalasblack
@rasalasblack 3 года назад
Ned Stark is a Hero. Because he died. Heroes are best when they are martyrs.
@bettygriffiths1297
@bettygriffiths1297 5 лет назад
please do a topic on the numinous
@keysemerson3771
@keysemerson3771 4 года назад
The very fact that we are unable to break free from the the cycle of conflict and dominance that we live by as a species, being ignorant and seemingly unaware of our commonality and core sameness as one living human organism on our planetary home, will be our ultimate undoing and death as a species, unless we are able to learn, feel and think our way out of our dilemma. Literally feeding upon our own kind…sustaining ourselves by devouring ourselves is the way of death. Learning to see self in all others and to work towards uplift and progress is the of way of life. Life is not a game, but a problem to be solved.
@marieke2204
@marieke2204 3 года назад
"Being honerable didn't get him far" understatement of the year lol
@ozlemdenli7763
@ozlemdenli7763 2 года назад
that would be great actually
@slyanna3688
@slyanna3688 5 лет назад
The show used to mean something and have themes when D&D were following the books, after they veered off, the show lost its initial consistency. D& D themselves said themes are for 10yr olds. Thanks for the video .
@troybello6816
@troybello6816 2 года назад
The Universities that offer "The ethics of Game of Thrones" have packed classes. Sign up on day one or open or lose out. This still applies in 2022.
@colonelweird
@colonelweird 5 лет назад
Okay this is fucking brilliant.
@ozlemdenli7763
@ozlemdenli7763 2 года назад
will you be reviewing the upcoming shows adapting tolkien and martin?
@guitarherops31
@guitarherops31 3 года назад
That “breaking the wheel” speech of Daenerys held some truth when she said “.. that one is on top then that one is on top and on and on it goes..” but the moment she said “I’m gonna break the wheel” I laughed. There’s no breaking the wheel. The wheel never ends. In real life we can look all these Presidents, Prime Ministers, Dictators, Kings and Queens from past monarchies who claim they’ll change things once and for all and such promises came to dust. The world is forever changing by nature but power doesn’t.
@faisalkamal4319
@faisalkamal4319 Год назад
Varys is a cool philosopher
@bernardheathaway9146
@bernardheathaway9146 5 лет назад
Great
@johnmanole4779
@johnmanole4779 2 месяца назад
12:45
@ReekLarson-ky8dz
@ReekLarson-ky8dz 8 месяцев назад
So many people don’t get game of thrones. Look at it like this Kings Landing is Rome Winterfell is Germania The Iron Islands is Britain Dorne is Carthage The Targaryens are from Sweden (the Goths) The Unsullied are from Persia And the The Dothraki are based on Attila and the Huns. What do they all have in common? They all challenged Rome at one time or another. All Martin did was mesh all the time lines in to one. Oh and guess what? The VisiGoths sacked Rome much like Dany in GOT
@CarlJunior1111
@CarlJunior1111 Год назад
Lo! Behold! Through "Thoughtform Ned", the "Game" be vindicated! 👻🥔🇺🇲
@niklasbirksted8175
@niklasbirksted8175 5 лет назад
Im not much of a weberian, but do anyone have an accurate primary source for his tripartite approach concerning political leadership, claims to legitimacy and structure?
@mahmud7645
@mahmud7645 4 года назад
I only have a german version of his writing: Weber, Max. 1992. Der Beruf zur Politik. In: Soziologie - Universalgeschichtliche Analysen - Politik. It is a very interesting read, framing and describing the most fundamental terms and concepts of political science like "State" and "Politics (Politik)" or what it means to be a "Politician", some of which are still used without alteration from his formal definitions. Most notably he defined what the "Modern State" consists of: The bureaucracy, successfully monopolizing the use of force, legitimizing their power through legal means etc.
@willyghost2213
@willyghost2213 3 года назад
This video literally shows why Michel Foucault has a flawed philosophy. It falls in line with the thought of Tywin Lannister.
@RanaAbhyendraSingh
@RanaAbhyendraSingh 3 года назад
How ?
@poeticalgore6500
@poeticalgore6500 5 лет назад
Good video. I think GRRM got most of his stuff through real history. Yes, war of the roses but also the Unsullied were basically copied from Turks forcing young christian males to become muslim warriors. I'd say GRRM's biggest contribution or trait, is his characters are all gray. Tolkien is very black or white. Boromir being the one of the only ones who is gray (and you could say Saruman SP?)
@mrridikilis
@mrridikilis Год назад
I agree. Tolkien is really more about divine providence (i.e. even though the characters sacrifice hugely and try to maximize their god-given talents to achieve their goal, ultimately the goal to destroy evil relies on God's intervention) and GOT is much more realistic, gray and nuanced. The former is definitely Modern and the latter Post-Modern.
@faisalkamal4319
@faisalkamal4319 Год назад
Poor shoemaker
@fadwafitriani9642
@fadwafitriani9642 3 года назад
I actually love how the GoT ended, one of the most realistic series had thought me how barbaric politics could be
@Atipaj
@Atipaj 5 лет назад
Omg you just had cut your own video in order allow us poor plebiens to figure it out! Just tell us what you think?! Lol
@readingbetweenthelines416
@readingbetweenthelines416 3 года назад
And today? When I hear the American leftists call for censorship, and for reeducating of Trump supporters, I think of Dany when she tells John.... "But the don't get to choose"
@clickaccept
@clickaccept 5 лет назад
It is lost confidence, identity, meaning. The withered spirit. Spectacle, chaos, fragments of heroes clung onto in the end for merchandising more than meaning. Besides, historians will never catch up with Spengler if they stick to the socratic material view of mankind.
@ryancurnow5806
@ryancurnow5806 5 лет назад
Cool word salad, dude. Hopefully historians will never have to "catch up with" Spengler and instead will rightly continue moving past him forever.
@Dorian_sapiens
@Dorian_sapiens 5 лет назад
Jeez, if only contemporary society would "catch up" with Spengler and other early 20th Century German nationalist race mystics. We'd be zooming into the future.😒
@clickaccept
@clickaccept 5 лет назад
@@Dorian_sapiens "We'd be zooming into the future." What is it that entices you about the future?
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