HOW GOOD IS COLORLESS IN CASUAL COMMANDER WITH KYLE HILL - PLAY TO WIN GAMEPLAY 

Was cool to watch you loop their ass for the win! Good stuff science man

Science, b*tch! Nice win. Had to take the top out of some of my casual artifact decks because it combos with everything.

always happy to see you play with the lads

Well played

@kylehill I challenge you to a Karn off!!!

Aggro doesn't beat combo tho, combo is typically just as fast and doesn't need to attack. the r/p/s of MTG is that Aggro beats control, control beats midrange, midrange beats aggro. Combo fights on a totally different axis, which is why cEDH decks often can't even beat a pod of 3 tuned casual decks - they're playing different games.

This is a myth that combos are necessary to end long casual games. If games are going for 2-3 hours routinely, it's likely the decks can be built better, maybe the meta needs fewer board wipes, maybe people need to play a little bit faster. There are a number of factors that play into it, and making the solve be just throw a 2 card combo in you otherwise casual deck is a poor answer. It's not worth all the times you randomly draw into it early and end the game out of nowhere for the chance at drawing into it in a game that nobody is capable of ending for whatever reason. I also don't understand the 'if you're not tutoring for it it's fine' logic, what happens those games when you draw into both pieces by turn 3? Is that fine to drop the combo and end the game? A deck is as strong as it's strongest win condition. Lacking tutors or means to get to that win condition doesn't power down a deck, it just means it's a higher power deck that is not built well.

@benbarclay4239 This is just false. I understand the sentiment but having game enders dies not equate to bad deck building, it's no different then running a cratethoof in a token deck. Some decks just stall the game or dont have easy wins without combos and that's okay as long as every player knows it. My playgroup does the exact thing I described and sometimes it can be a Mexican standoff where it's hard to win in a conventional casual manner. I'm not saying it's a consistent issue but has definitely happened to every player at some point Also I never said anything about 2 card combos and I also said to not actively tutor them.

@@notjohn2774 Well the difference is that createrhoof is a payoff for doing what your deck is meant to do - you've successfully built up a board of creatures and now you drop your Overrun and win the game, classic magic. Having random combos in the deck is not a payoff for playing the deck well, it just invalidates the whole game that came before it with an unrelated win out of nowhere. To be clear I love cEDH and combos, I just think that in casual they more often than not lead to saltyness and un-games, rather than being used at hour 3 to end a game everyone is tired of playing. One guy in my playgroup subscribes to this philosophy of 'put 1 combo in every casual deck to end games', and I don't think he's ever actually ended a long game with them (tbh we don't often have long stalled games), but there have been a number of times he lucked into drawing the combo early and the casual game ended out of nowhere on turn 5, leaving everyone else feeling cheated.

Exactly, games have to end at some point. The only caveat might be if you can combo early in the game, hold off.

Who doesn't tutor for another combo piece in casual tho

Weird. I would much rather play a dedicated a+b combo deck than be killed by a "Whoopsie! I found it!" in an otherwise non-combo deck.

11:05 another one

FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS YOU DO

I think that to not in the sense of win fast more in the sense of have a option to win with some Commanders and to win agains value like life gain

yes but so many cards in this game just arent casual , i.e. mind slaver

Le dot