How good is FRONTRUNNING after Wave 6? | Mario Kart 8 Deluxe 

Hey Shortcat Were You Always a fan of Bagging when you first started playing Mario Kart or you just like to frontrun the tracks as you play?

i just frontran to the comment section

I like how Nintendo handled the bagging nerf. Rear position comeback play still seems viable, but the most "degenerate" or "unintended" aspects, repeatedly driving into boxes cycling items, has been removed. Personally I think it makes bagging a little more exciting, because there's that extra bit of pressure to keep moving and make your comeback.

Honestly, I believe that Nintendo's solution to bagging is actually pretty elegant. I think most people dislike bagging because seeing people stop in the middle of races and wait at item sets isn't exactly their idea of a racing game. However, "bagging" where you take worse lines in order to pick up more coins or take alternate paths that are slower but have coins or items while still moving forward on the track is perfectly fine, since you're still going forwards at the very least. In fact, I'm not completely sure yet, but I feel like this change could make a lot of the "useless" alternate paths (like the underwater section on daisy cruiser) a far more appealing choice which would be cool to see. You could drop to a lower position while remaining safe and farming coins, while keeping the most exciting part of bagging where you make the comeback intact.

14:20 I think nerfing bagging deliberately without affecting those that are genuinely struggling in a race, as Nintendo seemed to aim for, was the right move. It discourages playing poorly on purpose but still gives a chance for people that are worse/unlucky

Shortcat has made me return to mario kart after 4 years and the past few months have been so fun!

They made nerfing bagging about making people move forward and actually try to race, not about removing the possibility of using good items at the back to get to the front, and I think that's perfect

"Saying that you're just bagging or just front running means you're probably not a good player", _Shortcat says in the video where he is only frontrunning._

12:00 - 12:35 let's just say on a bike, peachettes hitbox gets nerfed. Edit: nerfed meaning it’s easier to get hit

9:17 diddybuggy is undoubtedly an awesome name for that combo

"spoilers for Infinity War" was legitimately the funniest thing edit ever

Landship + Wood tires is a slick looking combo. I’ve always liked using it with Baby Luigi, but now I’m intrigued with trying Diddy on it…

something i feel like no one talks about is how much the idea of "driving badly on purpose" actually changed with the optics vs reality. stopping at an item set is definitely "driving badly on purpose" and looks horrible to the average person, but on the other hand you're still trying to take good lines when you actually are driving and the bagging part is more like a pause in your "normal" driving, but now that you can't bag that way it seems like the ideal way to stay in the back of the pack when bagging is just taking worse lines on purpose, which is just as much "driving badly on purpose" if not moreso than stopping at item sets. whether the improvement in optics is a big enough to outweigh that depends on your viewpoint i guess. what i really wish they did was make being in the middle of the pack less of a death sentence, that way you'd be much less incentivized to bag every time you got hit and the binary of bagging and frontrunning was less prominent in favor of just playing the game "normally". often in worldwides i get in rooms where a few of the players in the room are enough better than me that i can't really frontrun reasonably, but because being in the middle is so terrible it feels like i'm forced to bag if i want to get a decent position. the middle of the pack attack items in this game are just way too hard to avoid and punishing to get hit by and i'm pretty bummed that they didn't do a single thing to fix that with all of their balance changes.

"hey bb" "was that your greenshell bb" - Shortcat

"frontrunning is broken." you mean playing the game?

Hi Shortcat! I’ve been enjoying your content for a while now and I would really look forward to a video where you rank all the tracks. It would be fun to see your point of view about what tracks are the most fun, best looks and have the most fun strats. Either way, I wish you the best of luck!

I think Nintendo handled bagging pretty well. Focusing on stopping and reversing. Think it getting tweaked for single or double item boxes pulls

To answer that question 20:22, I believe it's neither of the options and rather watch a player that can adapt their way of playing the game during a race. It's just really interesting to see a sudden change of playstyle midrace that will help you reach better spots if not 1st place.

The part about peachette on a bike killed me 😂😂

After 1 year not playing the game, I discovered your videos and started playing again. You're a funny guy and nice listening to - and your expertise of the game helps me improve!

The argument of frontrunning vs bagging is like punching a brick wall, just do what you wanna do!

i'm just watching the funny mario kart man and he hits me with the "peachette on a bike" gem, immediately followed up with a quick lesson on confirmation bias when watching bagging content on youtube wtf?!

Hi shortcat! i love your videos and always look forward to them :) i would love to see a video where u rank the tracks/make a tier list of the tracks that u think are the most fun to play/looks the best etc

Your vids are a godsend. Theres so many shortcuts in this game I did not know existed.

Dude im just now learning about competitive mario kart and i have to say! You are so knowledgeable and entertaining! I think ill stick around for a bit!

My guy thanks for all the videos you make, they are really entertaining. I don't even have a Switch nor Mario Kart, but i still watch all your videos, keep them comin'

Congrats on 200K! Huge fan of your great content🎉🎉

I love when the commentary is just about the current game, like discussing what plays were smart or bad

i love this channel, its like an old school youtube video, just people good at their games playing and making fun with their coments (not while making stream, that ruins all the autencity of someone playing and making something autentic for a youtube video), btw love you shortcat, keep making this type of content

When I played with four people recently I was seeing some pretty crazy item pulls. There were several first place triple mushrooms, golden mushrooms, and even bullets. I also pulled a coin in last multiple times.

Imagine that....being in first place in a racing game is a good strategy. Thanks for that genius advice.

Hey Shortcat, thanks for teaching me so much about this game over the past months. Speaking of teaching, I think it would be cool if you had some sort of coaching course where people could pay to get coaching from you or something.

Good video! I was an anti-bagger initially when I didn't understand it, but warmed up to it as I learned that it is a perfectly viable strategy on certain tracks. Honestly, this latest bag nerf is a bit overexaggerated. Even after the update, I still bag on tracks like Mario Circuit 3, Cheese Land, Yoshi's Circuit, Dry Dry Desert, and GBA Mario Circuit. You just can't camp at item boxes which isn't a huge deal anyways. I find frontrunning much more fun, but I do agree that bagging is helpful to know if you happen to fall behind the pack. Making a huge comeback is always an amazing feeling!

Congrats for 200k shortcat 🎉

A Shortcat video is the best way to recover from getting my wisdom teeth removed! 😁

20:31 that touches on why I dislike bagging in general yes its very fun to see big comebacks and clutch plays but its also very annoying (to me personally) to be doing well in a race and then just get destroyed by rng cause someone pulled good items. Im aware its a skill issue on my part (at least a fair amount of it is) I'm not good at this game but bagging and broken items has let me get solid placements in races I had no business placing well in.

For as much as yoshi teddy buggy is still good, it's nice to see a bit more variety with the DLC stuff lately. Also keep it up shortcat watching your vids has catapulted me to 13k vr

Finally someone from Cyprus, my country, in your videos! :')

shortcat: “only bagging = bad player, pick the right option for your scenario” also shortcat with 20 videos on bagging only:

Congrats on 200k

20:14 I feel like there was no warning for the red shell because you intercepted a red shell that was targeting the peachette

From what I observed people definitely like bagging when they do it themselves, but give it hate when a bagger causes them to get mario karted

Hi shortcat Ur videos always make my day !! Can u maybe do a frozen challenge? With only like christmasy related charcters on ice tracks? :D

10:19 love the Yoshi and Teddy Buggy are just in the map, what a coincidence

I personally love bagging and the EPIC comebacks! But if they were going to need it I’m glad that it was in a way that encourages moving forward.

I think that was also beautiful to see people stopping in boxes to take good items. I would probably buff frontrunning by adding the chance to receive single mushroom in first place. That would give u the chance of mantain your lead but do not making it impossible for bagging players ;P

the video ive been waiting for !

It always a good day when there is a shortcat video

This rivalry with BB is just legendary

That spoilers for infinity war got me. Actually laughing out loud it was out of nowhere hahaha.

Something I've found that makes the half pipe boost mostly consistent for me on Wii Rainbow Road, I aim for the top left corner of the blue panel. Still practicing getting it consistent, but every time I get a good alignment I get the boost, so could be useful in practicing learning it. =P

*Shortcat:* “Bagging is pure skill and I’m never front running again” *Also Shortcat:*

In wave 6 basically you can frontrun or backrun. You keep going forward and depending on your position you can comeback. I actually enjoyed bagging but I understand nintendo's decision

Great video!

I think the way nintendo handled the bagging changes was actually really good. It basically made it so you cant intentionally bag as easily, but it still allows for comebacks, which is honestly the best of both worlds. I do however wish that cheese land wasn't an option in higher level play

Shortcat never fails to bring a great vid

in my opinion, in a racing game people shouldn't be stopping for items, but if i could remove bagging i would just so i could make the bagging tracks not so miserable to front run, but at the end of the day a comeback is a comeback and it's so hype

I always had Mario Kart 8 but never played it until I found your videos

I always wondered if theres a tierlist somewhere in which tracks are better to frontrun or bag. Or somewhere in between

I kinda want to see more of the "how good is X combo" series. I would really like to see your thoughts on the Golden combo and also stuff like "max anti gravity" and "max water speed."

Da king is back baby he neva miss

Yayyyy another shortcat video 🎉🎉🎉

I use Peachette on a bike...

I want to see a full bagging video with the new nerf! I want to be able to see how big a difference it made.

I love how both frontrunning vids have had a rivalry with some black Yoshi or Birdo (Also, could you please upload a bit on your J perm channel? I love how you are into this channel and it’s great that you are sharing your passions, but many of us cubers are awaiting the return of J perm❤)

bro i knew that was the reason for peacette i just needed to hear it from you LOL

14:20 I don’t really play online but I think the way they did it was really good. You can still bag but you can’t just stay there and wait for a shock which I felt like was the worst part of bagging.Also your bagging was the reason I started to play Mario kart again so I’m biased.

love your vids and I want to see your mii and mrscooty again:]. it brings back memories. also nice job at 20000vr. i only have 3000 vr.

Hi Shortcat, i've been watching your content for many months now (super entertaining and your personality is awesome LOL) but to answer your bagging being nerfed question... In a way i think it was needed (i don't play mario kart and never have, but i'm an Alicia Online player that has been in the magic side of the game, which is basically mario kart), before bagging in AO was nerfed, people would just sit behind on purpose and grab the best items and make comebacks, just like in MK ! Since it's been nerfed, you rarely actually get comeback items and more often you end up with defense items. The thing about AO is that besides the item boxes, the player just gains gauge that goes towards getting an item (i suggest looking up gameplay) so you don't have to rely on boxes always (and from this you can actually get more comeback items! i have no idea how this game works n ive played it for 7 years) . I think it's a complicated question, cus i understand why they nerfed it, but i mean... it's so fun lol

I really like how nintendo dealed with bagging because it doesn't stop cool comebacks but nerfs staying in the same place trying to get a good item.

We need a Mii suit video now!

The fact that standard kart strategy of just racing has been given its own technical name is crazy. Great vid tho!

Hooray shortcat uploaded

I think the thing that makes bagging look good is when everyone else *isn't* bagging. It's easy to like it when everyone else is "honorably" racing. But when it becomes the meta, and like half the group is still at the first item block line it's just like 😐. It's really cool to learn that it can be used strategically, and I think having maps that make bagging harder tosses up the game.

Fun fact: Roy Catcruiser has almost thesame stats as Funky Scooty, but with 1 more speed and 1 less acceleration. It's my favorite combo right now because of how it looks. Roy fits the cat cruiser so well.

12:11 bro just explained every single kart combo i've used since i bought this game

12:28 Look man... peachette got on them space channel 5s im weak

Love your content

With this new update, my favorite combo is Koopa, biddy buggy with rollers and cloud glider. It has amazing mini turbo and it’s all around cute.

The way that you can kinda bag is really good

Black birdo is my fav character, we love to see her winning

This is the optimized strategy now

Literally what you do in a grand prix

I actually really like the pipe frame for Funky Kong, it has the same speed and mini turbo as Teddy buggy, but more acceleration, traction, handling and invincibility

Never had much of a problem with baggers, but if I had to say I'm glad it was nerfed. Means more people might play the track, lol

Peachette + Cat cruser is so cute

Babe wake up, new shortcat video

Man Ur so underrated,u should have atleast 1.5 mil subs

hearing the "try using peachette on a bike" comment hurts me physically as someone who does indeed use peachette on a bike

As a lightweight player, most the time i opt to stay behind the pack once i get hit out to avoid getting hit and collect coins because having 10 coins with 1 speed isnt as slow as you think, along side that getting bumped off the map. I always decide to catch up when the opportunity is available, mostly mid lap 2 and it works out for me mostly all the time. Idk if that makes me a bad player or not but i rather keep myself safe than sorry

I was hoping the booster course passes were going to add a few new karts, I really miss the barrel train kart that was in 7 and double dash.

Wake up! Shortcat just uploaded

I haven’t played Mario cart in a good while might have to play it again

I appreciate the changes. I always wnat comebacks to be possible (and I value item-use skill), but I don't like people stopping or going backwards. At the end of the day I do like to unwind and enjoy a bit ya kno and frontrunning is more relaxing to me even when i get mario-karted lol :-)

Shortcat speaking facts here 12:19 lol

Challenge: take a shot every time he says bagging and try and stay sober.

It's very simple IMO any strategy in a RACING game that benefits from stopping or going backwards should be worse then any strategy that involves ACTUALLY racing forward.

I like the way they nerfed it, you can’t camp at items sets(but bagging is still somewhat viable) and I’ve head races in cheese land, mc3, and other similar tracks post wave 6 where there isn’t much bs things that happen, and now more people are playing the game the way it was intended

1:36 diddy just took a dump on our screens

That infinity war reference was hilarity