How Good Was Jason "Mew2King" Zimmerman Actually? 

How good do you think Mew2King would be if he competed today?

I have some stories from this era of melee. 1. I played Mew2King at a ChuDat biweekly in bracket, and with the Gentleman's Clause we agreed to play with Pokeballs. I won game 2 on FD in his Sheik vs my Zelda when he threw a Pokeball at me, and I reflected it with Nayru's and killed him. And he looks at me and laughs "I forgot she could do that". 2. I teamed with Azen at some throwaway VA local event. He was so drunk he could barely hold the controller and walked around with Marth fsmashing and laughing. We still won teams. 3. Mew2King came down to ChuDat's place in 2007 where I was staying for the summer. He invited me to FCD in Indiana, and I said I couldn't go because I had no money. Jason paid for my ENTIRE TRIP. He paid someone to drive from NJ to VA to pick me up, got another NJ player (WarriorOfZarona) to drive me to Indiana, and then the entire trip in reverse. Whenever people talk about the Golden Age of Melee, it really was.

He was #1 in melee and brawl at the same time. No other person has been #1 in two smashes at once. So for me he is the goat

2:06 I think this is what solidifies his legacy for me. He pushed the competitive needle more than anyone else in the scene and it speaks volumes that his work is still being used. He deserves every ounce of respect he gets. Smash GOAT

I think M2k is rightly rated. He's the gatekeeper of being #1 for an entire year. Probably 6th best all time for me, but I can see an argument as high as 4th.

For me M2K was the player I really looked up to in melee. His marth specifically just had this domineering style, this effortless look to how he would delete stocks, all without quite feeling as campy as he definitely was. Fun Fact he is the person with the world record for most tournaments attended lifetime, attending some near 700 tournaments from what I remember. The guy was and still is just a machine, and we love Jason for that.

How good was he? He took an 8 month break after Genesis, only to beat iBDW and No. 1 Hungrybox in the same tournament (and beat Hbox in a set right after, just couldn't close the Grand Finals out)

I feel like M2K's shortcomings existed purely outside of the game. If they had invented noise-cancelling headphones a lot earlier on, I believe things would have been way different. Regardless of numbers and statistics, Mew2King will always be my #1 Best Smash Player of All-Time.

I like the fact that m2k has by far the most registered tournament results in melee still and the 2nd most of any esports player in general. Like he just played so many tournaments its unreal

Personally I would put M2K in top 5 all time. He's such a monster and his contributions to the community could be debated larger than his accomplishments as a player, which I always add to a player's 'worth' of discussion of their 'greatness'. I think what hurts his credentials,were his meddling years, where you can debate were partially due to him splitting his time with other smash games. But, like Mango, you have to give him props for being in the game as long as he was.

I always viewed mew2king as the gatekeeper. He got beat by most of the gods but the players who often rose up to beat some or all of the gods (leffen, sfat, wizzrobe) they all seemed to have the hardest time beating m2k. Where i view mang0 as the heart and soul of melee, I view m2k as the link between old school and modern melee. His marth in particular was the golden standard for a long time.

Mew2King's Marth on FD is still one of the most beautiful things Melee has ever produced. What began as a flowchart became a work of art. Like a stained glass window where all the little pieces have their perfect place. Ay. Ay. Ay.

I think it's pretty cool how in many docs, he's seen as the one who brought the melee scene back to life at a time when it looked most grim. Much respect, M2K!

Easily one of the best. Pioneered a lot of fundamentals you see players especially with Marth. He wrote the book on how to punish spacies that everyone followed until Zain improved it further (I never thought PPMD's punishes on spacies with Marth were as consistent or efficient). Despite this however, when you go back and watch a lot of classic old sets, it's very infuriating to see how much he got away with in the neutral game, and how much of it would be (and was considered at the time) gimmicky. His neutral was more of a 7.5 in a sea of 9-10's (Armada, PPMD, Mango, and Hbox later on) which is why he couldn't be top 3 in the era of the Gods

I think a lot of people forget that time there was a tourney with Smash 4, Project M and Melee all going on at the same time. All three games had Singles and Doubles. He won Teams in all 3 games, came in first in two of the games and came in second place, I think in Melee. He was definitely the Smash Goat when measured across all games.

9:10 secret smash handshake

I think the joy of watching M2K was truly the roller coaster of “is he on today or is he off” Because when M2K is on, it’s crazy to see him play, but when he’s off… you just can’t help but shake your head.

M2K is easily the best overall smash player of all time. Top competitor in every game, and contributed so much to the community.

I def got a soft spot for the robot, he was the first top player I saw footage of on RU-vid with my brother and older cousin. Did not know what I was signing up for at that time in 06 but it entailed in a lifelong journey one that has no end in sight. Met some of the sickest people thru this scene

I'd say M2K is 4th best of all time simply due to his longevity and his dominance in 07-08 and late 2013.Some place Ken higher, but Ken was never able to come back and hang with the new crowd, M2K proved time and time again that he could

A lot of people don't know that m2k actually had the best results of 2013, being up in the h2h against Mango 8-4 and his worst loss being against hbox/ppmd (depending who you think was worse that year). Meanwhile Mango, who got ranked first, had losses to Ice and PewpewU. The rest of their h2h records that year are pretty similar. The 2013 rankings in general showed a lot of legacy bias rather than just looking at the results in that 12 month period (Wobbles should have been higher, Hax$ and Kirbykaze lower, etc)

Mew2king is an absolute gem in the smash community. His dedication and skill in every game is unmatched. The best overall Smash player. GOAT!

Mew2King will always be my favorite player, at least when it comes to Melee. I loved watching him compete.

Favorite moment is when Mew2King swept the entire crew, 16-0, in the 0C3 crew battle. Against Ken and Isai too. Ultimately he had some insane losers runs but was often never able to close the deal in singles. But crews and doubles he was always insane.

People can’t imagine how hard it is to be good at two smash titles at the same time. For a period of time I played Melee, P+ & Ultimate on the same evenings with my buddy and sometimes my hands locked up and couldn’t perform in one game. Even in the same game switching a character mid set is insanely hard on top level. M2K will forever be my favourite smash player!

I relate to Jason so much on a mental level, but he'll always be seen as such a great player in not just Smash Bros. but video games in general. I have no idea if he'll ever finish the book he was working on, but I would 100% buy it if he ever finished and released it.

Damn been hearing about this dude forever and he lived miles away this whole time. Pretty cool.

Heres the thing, winning every match is not likely for anyone no matter how good, so looking at how often he placed in the top 3 and even top 10 says a lot about how good he is.

Loving this series! Hope you keep making them :)

M2K forever will be my favorite Smash player ever

All time he’s the 4th best player ever in melee, in smash he’s the GOAT.

I remember that smash summit I was such a massive M2K fan during that era before being won over by Zain but that marth is still a work of art on FD

I guess it also says a lot that a lot of the considered best sets in history are between him and armada (smash con and canada cup). He really is one of the GOATs imo

My favorite ever. Love Armada and Mang0 but M2K is special. His sheik was so elegant, maybe not the combo's you see today but his sheik had style and elegance.

i got to play m2k once in melee and once in brawl. absolute destruction each time of course. there was always all this talk about how weird and awkward he was and I guess he was that but in my experience he liked to laugh and have fun. i dont know why i'm talkin about him like he's dead or something LOL but definitely top 3 all time if we're going off pure legacy. and also he proved that if he focuses on a game he could still beat anyone in the world on any given day

I got to play M2K in melee a fair bit in 2007, I was still in high school and couldn't go to much outside of the region but made it to several Chu biweeklies. To this day I don't think there has ever been someone more ahead of the pack by the margin that he was (including Armada)... it was messed up. LOL great vid :)

Great video! You've made some awesome content lately

Congratulations on beating M2K! You’re my new favorite smasher now

One thing I value about M2k and why I have him ranked 4th ever is just the sheer amount he pioneered for how the game is played today. Also just insane volume of quality performances.

All time he’s probably my 5th favourite singles, and my favourite doubles player. Absolute fucking king 👑

To me there’s two players that pushed forward Melee. One is HBox, there was a point in history where everyone was trying to beat his Puff and developing techs to do it Armada developed Young Link and perfected Fox. And the other is M2K, he contributed so much in the early stage of Melee to even make it a truly competitive game. There’s no Melee esport scene without him. To me he is top 3. 1. Armada 2. Hungrybox 3. M2K

1:15 are his glasses just resting on his nose?

who was the guy blurred out at 5:16 and why

I don’t think M2K’s proficiency at Brawl can be overstated enough. He wasn’t just the top player, he was untouchable. IIRC he never lost a single set in tournament in Brawl’s first year.

Without M2K, Melee wouldn't have made it past 2007. Neither Marth or Shiek would be played how they are. Some of the places I see people ranking him are absolutely insane.

Love to see this style video for Melee after seeing it with UFC fighters

Glad to see him playing SF6 now!

You kinda breezed over him COOOOOOOOOOOOKING Leffen..

Bro the fist bump of armada at 14:18 is so wholesome. He is genuinely happy for him

At low tier city 2 in 2014, mew2king was in all 4 events' grand finals. He got first in melee singles, second in melee doubles, first in project m doubles, and first in project m singles.

Gotta love M2K. Very polite and respectable character.

One piece of underrated M2K lore that you left out, and I really wish that you would have touched on: Look up his loser's run at UGC, a late 2016 tournament. He is responsible for THE single greatest loser's run of all time, and had he managed to complete it, this would be the greatest tournament win in the history of Melee. I feel like it never really gets brought up, and it is by far his most impressive accomplishment.

Him rocking the bk crown before the plane guy is OG

He’s was the best at both games for like 2 years!! He’s the goat

Ive seen that picture in the thumbnail hundreds of times online over the years and never realised it was mew2king.

Bro imagine learning your first major opponent ever is going to be fucking Mew2King omg 💀

He's the GOAT of Smash, and I put him at #4 all time in Melee only behind HBox, Armada, and Mango. For me, his accomplishments and tenure far outshine those of Ken, Leffen, Zain, PPMD and everybody else.

He may not be the highest rated god but I love watching M2K play when he's at his peak. He is an absolute beast and you can really see his game knowledge shine through. He is tied with Mango for my favorite player.

So I asked him in his twitch chat if he feels that Melee or Brawl was his best game. He said Brawl.

epic! good stuff Jeremy

Mew2King is my all time favorite smash player and the reason I even took an interest in the competitive scene almost 15 years ago. Great video.

M2k is who I’d consider the absolute Melee expert. His knowledge of the game can not be overstated. He may not be the best of the best but his knowledge is unmatched

Whats the song at 2:38 called again? Man the nostalgia is strong with this one

He is a legend, thats the answer

Is it just me or is the algorithm spot on lately with promoting up an coming RU-vidrs… I keep getting these awesome videos made by people with less than 10k subs it’s been refreshing

Lmaooo that thumbnail will never get old

M2K IS The 4th best Melee player of all time, idc. The man was in the top 8 for 15+ YEARS. He was the brige between Ken and Mang0, two different eras. He was THE one to beat. And the man was number one in both Melee AND Brawl, AT THE SAME TIME. No other player in history has that title. Yeah, Mang0, Hbox and Armada have arguments for best Melee player of all time, but none of them dominated Brawl or placed high any ANY other Smash game. M2K did. He's the Smash GOAT until proven otherwise and I'll die on that hill. I'll never forget seeing his Dashizwiz set back in the 2000s and I didn't even know Smash had a competitive scene at the time (I was an oblivious scrub who played with items lol). Good times...

Man, knowing some of the history of these people are very interesting videos, get better and better

feel like i saw this video months ago, why was this reuploaded? o_O

Who is that blured out at 5:15 ? DJ?

M2K is honestly my favorite smash player of all time. And I would put him in top 3 of all time. Mango, Armada, Mew2king

Lol the thumbnail is classic

It is very difficult to keep being good at melee when you get used to brawl (extremely slow and more forgiving with edgegrabbing). Probably was the reason he failed so hard in that timespan.

M2ks intellect is his most Valuable asset. He created frame data charts, alone, in his room, for years. Before anyone would even consider doing anything of the sort

16:09 check it out same redheaded girl popping the fuck off when jason beats cody and juan dunno who that is if its family or someone close or just a fan but absolutely awesome to see

@5:20 who’s blurred?

6:26 Pretty sure it's Cutting-edge Games Conference... at San Francisco State University... 19?

Why is dj nintendo's face censored at 5:13 lol

he looks like my warcraft 3 compatriot Alex "ricethebackstab" Sabol

Who is censored out at 5:16? And why?

Easily my favorite esports competitor of all time and it's not close. Been watching Jason for over a decade

M2K is my favorite player of all time, but I think others are beyond him in all time greatness. I would put him in the top 5 though for sure.

Would be cool to see him compete again, he's a likeable guy I think.

"I am just participating in one small part of the middle of the ride and there are many talented people who helped build the ride before me and there'll be many talented people who help finish off the ride after me."

5:29 M2K with DaShizWiz's hat on 😂

M2k is probably the goat of smash across all the games. Top 5 all time melee player and GOAT of brawl. He also did pretty well in Smash 4, he's on the all time ranking in that game if I remember right

Legit did not know that thumbnail pic was m2k 😂

As someone on the Autism Spectrum, think it's a little weird that you talk about M2K's social difficulties, problems reading other players, and extreme technical dedication to the game without bringing up that he's on the Autism Spectrum. It's an important part to include in his story because it has influenced everything from his dedication to the game to his play style to his offbeat and quirky sense of humor that he's famous for. One common Autism symptom is that we got overstimulated by sensory stimuli very easily. He probably dropped out of sandstorm because of the strobe lights. Those are a killer sensory trigger for people on the spectrum and a lot of us can't handle strobe lights for longer than a few minutes at a time. M2K's difficulties playing while crowds are cheering against him are also probably an Autism thing just as much as they are a psychological thing, because a lot of people on the Autism spectrum struggle greatly with loud noises, and our sensory problems get worse when we're stressed or under pressure. These are just a couple of examples but I really can't stress enough how many times his Autism diagnosis comes up in the varying stories I've heard about M2K.

I came for the thumbnail.

The day Mew2king comes back to a tournament they need to play Stone Cold Steve Austin’s theme song while he walks in.

From what I get from this well researched video. Basically M2K despite having some problems he remains one of the best ever who have graced the Melee's competitve scene. Usually not wining major or super majors is bad but at least he was consistently bouncing in the top 5 or top 10ish at his very worst. I think if M2K grinded half of what the likes of Mango or Zain do, he'd be an easy top 5 nowadays.

I just love stuff like this best players in the world thankyou for making this video

Most new players wont realise it or know it, but M2K should be in the top 5, and he single handidly saved Melee with his match vs Shizwiz i remember being 18 and watching that qnd thinking wow what the actual..... melee boomed shortly after that match.

M2K V Jerami! The runback melee needs lol.

Another top tier doc video Jerami 👌🏾❤️

Why was DJ nintendo blurred?

1:45 Don't put these intrusive subscription "reminders" in your videos.

best thumbnail I've ever seen

I was wishing for him to shave his hair the entire video 🤣 glad he finally did at the end, he looks much better 👍

M2K will always be GOAT for me. The guy is an icon and has given so much to the scene.