Newtypes are often a point of contention between fans of Gundam for a multitude of reasons, one of them being how unexplained the setting"s borderline magical phenomena is. Gundam NT rectifies this.
Jos Phoenix warf had the right thought... in the Star Trek episode, they go back in time to the original series and warf goes “we do not talk about that with outsiders.” That’s how I feel about seed even though I was hype for it.
I think NT would've been better as an OVA series covering the trio's life in sequence, rather than jumping about constantly. I would've liked to know more about their characters and motivations, as well as more about Newtype research in general. Could've been interesting to see the whole of early UC from another angle.
I feel like the story of Gundam NT was poorly executed. The pacing of the movie makes understanding some of the ideas and concepts brought up in certain parts difficult, especially when the story seems to be jumping from plot-point to plot-point frequently. Also it seems more like a "Newtype Ex Machina" kind of story, than a story that focuses on anti-war themes, and coming to understand one another as human beings with the Newtype elements being there to support those themes.
@@corvus9359 That's how it was in the Novel that this movie was based on... Only difference is that the Shezzar Team were using Jegans instead of Jestas... It's a good Adaptation... This was supposed to close the Unicorn saga and explains why Late UC Shows doesn't ever mention the Psycho Frame...
@@jasperreyes5174 It's not bad per se, it's just not what I would expect from a Gundam story. Although just because it's a good adaptation doesn't necessarily mean it's a good story anyways. Again, I feel like it could've been executed better.
@@corvus9359 That was my point... The Movie was a Good Adaptation... They Executed it beautifully... The problem was with the Source Material... Everything you said that was the shortcomings of this Movie was the shortcomings of the Novel... That is only if you view the Novel as its own story instead of being the "Epilogue" for Gundam Unicorn... You'll see that those weren't really shortcomings per se...
When it comes to the phenex. It comes off as a confusing subject. As it comes down not to the machine itself, but the powers of Rita..............................................................As a first note, I have to make a note of this. But in the movie, they do not state the idea that the phenex has been sent through time to enact its purpose. Rather they state that the phenex simply disappeared from the earth sphere for those years after the freak test flight incident. (Which is completely more plausible if you watch the ending scene of the film, where we llearn of its power to travel at the speed of light. As stated by banagher.) meaning that most likely Rita’s consciousness (which was absorbed into the phenex’s psyco-frame) has taken the machine to a place where it can lay in wait (far from the reaches of mankind, until the day it is needed).........................................................................As for why the phenex is doing what it is doing, you have to look at Rita. As a character, Rita is in fact a very uncommon sight when it comes to newtypes. Her abilities in clairvoyance make her one of the youngest newtypes with to have such strong powers like hers. Comparable to only maybe Lalah Sune. Not to mention that she was born with them (as elaborated in past Gundam series, pure bred newtypes are tremendously more powerful than cyber-newtypes.) this gives her a much stronger grasp of future events........................................................Being able to predict the colony drop is one thing, however the real interesting thing to note is her behaviour after those events occurred and the three was put into the newtype research facility. If you look at how she acts around the other two, you’ll notice that it seems her ability to see the future still seems to be occurring within her mind, and when the three are split up and she is taken away. She gives Jona a forgiving look of “I know it’s not your fault. I’m sorry, but I unfortunately HAVE to do this. Because this needs to happen if we are going to be able to overcome this.”. Finally at the end of the film. (In Yona’s final vision of the three of them at the site of the colony drop) Rita does reveal what’s been going on. “I’m so sorry. But I knew it would take all three of us to stop that thing. She foresaw the threat of the Neo Zeong II. Jona even makes note of this with his reaction to that statement. As for the wings, they appear from the phenex to do what needed to be done. Humanity was not ready for the power that the Neo Zeong possessed (they even state that the technology within the Neo Zeong (most likely the powers of it’s psyco-shard ring) is not meant for humanity possess at this moment in time). So using the wings and the clouds of psyco-frame shards. The phenex sent the machines remains and the technology back to where they came from. Which was the final sealing act to end the threat of the Neo Zeong for good. (As even though banagher destroyed the first one. He only managed to do just that. Destroy it. What he was not able to do, was remove it entirely. As Zeon was able to rebuild it into the Neo Zeong II and recreate the technology within it and was able to unleash it again.)
UC attempted to reinvent what it means to be a true newtype. No longer about who was born with more potential but by who has a set of characteristics, never be close-minded, acknowledging sadness, being responsible for one's self and those around them, seeing with eyes unclouded by hate, and to be hopeful. These are all the lessons Banagher had learnt from Daguza, Zinnerman, Marida, Mineva and more, this is how he becomes a perfect newtype. "This light isn't only coming from the two of us." " I know that, it's coming from everyone." While Banagher and rhidde where the ones who controlled the gundams, that didn't mean that they were solely responsible for the lazer block, everyone did it together, the same way amuro did with all the people of earth. Look at Unicorn thematically, It always says, "The power to transcend the now, the inner god called possibility." we hear this over and over again. Newtypes have no set rules, humanity has no set limits, if humanity were to understand one another they could overcome anything and if they can over come anything, they can overcome the hatred that plagued the UC for the past 1 hundred years, that is the meaning behind the colony lazer block. I don't think blocking the colony laser is anywhere near as impressive as reverting a rock the size of axis off it's course, A colony laser hitting the earth wouldn't cause a nuclear winter. Try not to forget about Unicorn's story by being distracted by the physical, that's the hardest thing gundam fans must overcome to truely understand Unicorn. Zoltan in NT was used to tell that to the viewers as well, "The only thing that oldtypes understand is physical phenomena! Even when they witness a miracle, They dont even try to understand its true essence!"
TSOMcrew I agree with what you’re saying. With the reason it wasn’t just Banagher and Ensign Riddhe doing the work load. As char’s counterattack establishes, the psyco-frame is capable of linking the minds and wills of everyone present. Not just the pilots. It was the resonance created between Amuro and Char’s machines which initiated the events of the axis shock. The resonance from the psyco-frames is what began to psychically draw the other pilots and suits around towards the two of them......... as another note. Unfortunately I must bring up the finales of both Zeta and ZZ. As shown. In the endings of both series, it is displayed that newtypes can gain an incredible power boost when hearts and minds are connected to the spirits of friends and loved ones (Alice or dead) and if we apply that logic and knowledge of this to unicorn, you’ll realize it wasn’t just the two unicorn pilots performing this feat. You had every one present lending what strengths they had to the cause of protecting megallanica from the colony laser. Banagher and riddhe were simply the ones holding the gates.
Zoltan also tried to murder a whole heap of people with his powers after being killed so idk why anyone would look at NT as anything other than weapons. Take it from the perspective of someone in the UC, you're in a Jegan dispatched from the GR and you see the Unicorn up ahead and then boom, your reactor has been turned into raw materials. Are you gonna look at that as wow cool understanding or holy shit that guy just manipulated time
@@jeff3221 thats why Zoltan is the villain, he's methods are flawed but his intentions to show the meaning behind human potential just like Banagher and the rest. Zoltan is frustrated with people who don't try to understand the Axis Shock or the colony lazer block (non lethal feats) that he wanted to show them through pain and fear. Which obviously is not a good way to go about it. Zoltan is writen to show that there is a justification for the fear of newtypes and that psychoframe could very well be used for the detriment of mankind, thats why NT ends off with the phenex fixing everything. Because in the end we must not forget the good that can come from within humanity. Execution is dodgy but thematically it checks out.
Alright, the Unicorn time travel sequence: Am I the only one who got what was happening? It's such an important scene to help make sense of newtypes it saddens me that a lot of people didn't understand, but I'll try my best to explain. The Neo-Zeong was (according to Narrative) the machine which had experimental tech based on psycho-frame technology which caused the "time travel scene" in Unicorn. But it's not time travel. What it did was that it projected what Banagher and Frontal both knew, both felt. And that's something which is INCREDIBLY important to understand in order to... understand newtypes. That they can instinctively feel the inevitable cold dark heat death of the universe. Their hearts are capable of understanding others, like Haman and Kamille in Zeta - but it comes at the cost of knowing too much. It goes beyond humanity, the understanding goes "Beyond the Time". Frontal spells it out for us, that newtypes can see the inevitable end of the universe. That cold darkness infests their hearts and it's what creates the emotionally disturbed newtypes we keep seeing in UC. But some choose to go beyond that. There will always be men like Frontal and Scirocco who tap into that energy source and try to live in the moment instead of even attempting to fix what end awaits them. They choose to live good lives at the cost of others, using their understanding as a weapon. While people like Amuro and Banagher try to see the light of the human heart, say "even so" at seeing that darkness because at the end of the day... human will can defeat inevitability. And even if it couldn't, mankind should try anyway. It's what causes Axis to divert its course. It's what blocks the colony laser. It's what saves Jona. It's... It's a battle between accepting the darkness and trying to overcome it. Perfectly illustrated in "Over the Rainbow" through the literal light of Banagher's heart lighting up the darkness at the end of the universe's lifespan - attracting Casval, Lalah and Amuro. And that warmth confuses Frontal, but he accepts it. Because the vengeful spirit of Char which possessed him is finally reunited with the part of him that passed on in CCA, making him whole. Allowing him passage to a world beyond time with the rest.
Watched this show with my 12 year old sister and it's crazy how she was able to understand it better than even me a longtime Gundam. Thanks to your comment and her insight that allowed to enjoy the series and truly understand what it means.
It would have been a great miniseries. Then again, it would have also been great if we just... didn't... waste so much time on Agi and that one blue-haired twit. Or hell, if they'd just gone with the route Gundam Evolve took with that scene.
@@LordSpleach Yeah, ngl, it didn't work for me either. Dude went from "I want to have a Monte Cristo style revenge on the family that killed off my family, and my family just wanted independence and the freedom to evolve and all that shit" to "I'm going to oppose the federation because the Titans are kind of the worst thing and I've seen where this ends" to... "I'm going to destroy the entire planet earth so people leave and the earth heals." Because that makes ANY sense. Seriously. They'd have been better off just introducing a new character. Or making it somehow related to Scirocco, or the Karn family, or hell, even just a bunch of cyber newtypes who escaped and sought revenge or something. Let Charttro Vagania REST!
@@victorhugo-qs3bs I still find it funny how they decided to do a Hathaway movie/ova or whatever given Hathaway's Flash REALLY only works as a Beltorchica's Children sequel since he doesn't teamkill in Beltorchica's Children the way he does in CCA. Yeah sure in theory the tech team could have covered it up, and that's the excuse Sunrise went with, but WOULD they?
ZZ is a good series, years of smacktalk mostly because not everyone likes the arc of innocense lost Tomino carries through all the comic material fading away as it goes on. Kinda funny how people who diss ZZ like mediocre flashy series like 00, IBO, Unicorn and NT huh.
ZZ is bad. I don't know why, but ZZ feel so disrespectful to zeta. they start with this wacky group of friends and they steal the zeta with ease. Moreover, Bright made them his crew! And also like BOO said, id ZZ not a direct sequel of Zeta, it probably works. But it is and it feel disrespectful for the amount of asspull Judau made compare to the struggle Kamille been through. And every single one of the main character is alive (except puru rip), because Zeon in this series is dumb, at least the first half.
@@BOOFIRE191 Honestly, if ZZ was more like it's second act through and through, then it might not have gotten as much flack as it did and still does. I like it, but I can see why some people don't like it. The first half is just...all over the place. It's funny, serious, funny, serious, tragic, then funny again. When the second half starts...you're like WHERE WAS THIS BEFORE!? Especially when the colony drops and Hayato dies. That's a 180 right there.
Gundam unicorn works better when you consider the Unicorn Gundam as a makeshift Laplace's Demon as well as with it being a more centralized story than trying to fit into the overarching narrative. It's meant to be a finale to the nihilist mentality that Char and Full Frontal had. "Yes this is where time is going. So what? Let us be happy while we still have time"
I understand where you are coming from with the ending of Unicorn, but it doesn't really cheapen the Axis Shock. On one hand you have one Newtype and his semi plated psycoframe Mobile Suit resonating with the will of humanity to survive and make peace. On the other you have two specialized fully psychoframe Mobile Suits with programs built to both target and interact with newtypes working with two mostly capable Newtypes who combine their will to protect something they love very much, Mineva. I think they actually set this up throughout the Unicorn series by making ENDLESS monologues about "possibility" and everyone searching for a reason to fight and carry on. Like I said though, totally understand where you are coming from.
Newtypes can "see through time", according to lines from Amuro in the original Gundam 0079, as he's going through the psychic experience of Lalah's death. And Zeta, as only the second entry, early established Char and Amuro haunted by the dead and their past, even somewhat metaphorically. Kamille just made that literal with the summoning of the dead at the end. I appreciate that NT took these simple building blocks from the earliest Gundam series and then reconfigured them into something that felt like an extreme, albiet explainable, extrapolation of what could be done with those tools. It didn't feel very earned with Unicorn given some poor setup and payoff for the ending, though it at least attempted to establish the psychoframe as a paranormal Chekhov's gun. That said, I DO respect that NT boldly owned the asspull ending of Unicorn and said "yes, and" to all the other ghostly newtype stuff that came before. It's not a great movie (I think it's good, but has significant pacing issues and jumps around in time too much), but I gotta give it credit for encouraging audience buy-in for the fans who followed the franchise up until that point. It shattered my disbelief on what was "possible" in the fantastical elements in the franchise, and made me excited to see what they might try in the future. I also gotta admit, it made me hungry for a proper Unicorn sequel, when I thought I was totally done with that story and more-or-less satisfied with what we got. Establishing Mineva and Co. as a faction with an agenda in their own right was a good plot hook.
For me I loved how NT was willing to expand of Newtypes. Also after NT I would be down for us to go back to the more "Real Robot" parts of Gundam again.
@@holden_7597 I'm really curious about a few things. Namely, are they going to change the ending and events, given the original Hathaway's Flash was a sequel to the alternate novel form of CCA, and of course without any of the Unicorn or NT stuff. Also, beginning to wonder if eventually we will reach a point where we go off in a straight up like... AU. Like, I wonder if we'll see F91 or onward retconned away, based on this progression of things.
in Manga of UC Testament, Unicorn is able to see and hear all the multiverse gundam franchise including build fighter universe also the future installment and as teased in non canon Gundam Beyond, the first time and universe travel is depicted as Banagher in Unicorn
Unicorn makes sense when you realize the Full Psychoframe acts as an amplifier of the Newtype phenomenon. Also it did involve others viewing the event. (Plus the Nu Gundam barely had Psychoframe in comparison to the Unicorn...) The crews of the ships and those that wanted to stop the Colony Laser resonated via the Unicorn & Banshee. The Time Travel element, which is simply them viewing events, ties into the Psycho-Shards which is then reinforced by NT being focused on destroying the second Neo Zeong. And it should be noted the the Phenex didn't time travel but instead ran away via the Psychoframe allowing it to move faster-than-light. Think of it closer to Trans-Am or Quantum Teleportation from Gundam 00. It should also be noted that the Psycho-Shards and related technology are supposedly given to Full Frontal by yhe half of Char's soul he possesses getting the knowledge via a connection with the half of Char's soul that went with Amuro and Lalah at the end of Char's Counterattack. (Supposedly they have moved onto another plane of existence. Hence why the concept of heaven and souls is so prevalent in Gundam NT.) Edit: it is even funnier when you realize that Gundam NT is based on one of the Unicorn novels...
I understand what you're saying about Unicorn's ending, but I don't agree with it. Unicorn's ending does have symbolism that falls more in line with another theme Gundam, especially UC has always had. A romanticized take on Mankind's evolution. Banagher and Riddhe being able to stop the Colony Laser was symbolic of humanity, when embracing the hope for a future that benefits everyone can grow to achieve things that others may not think possible. Banagher also did have newtype training since he was a child, so he's also, most likely the most powerful newtype in UC at that point. Also, the "time travel" thing was more like poor wording on Fukui's part. It's more like time manipulation. Also this doesn't change the fact that Unicorn and the Neo Zeong "traveling through time" was just an art-house representation of their metaphysical selves travelling through time, not them inside their mobile suits.
one thing i tend to dislike is how these "humanity potential power of friendship" tend to ignore the other side which is human resentment and how a single human can chose to not forgive and screw the whole world which is what char was doing, the metaphor would indicate that friendship can just ignore resentment whether that is true or not i dislike the very concept due to how unfair it is since it basically says "if you actually hold anything dear enough that you want to punish assholes who are constantly ruining your happiness (the earth in this case) then you lose because power of friendship" this narrative actually punishes people who are doing the right thing which opposing the wrong side just because they aren't doing the jesus kira peace way which is a nice message "anti-violence" but also one who hypocritical and blatantly wrong
@@jasperreyes5174 G-Savior too, which addressed one of the key issues that plagued UC era. The food shortage which was WHY people were sent in Space Colonies to begin with.
@@Jetblast01 Don't forget that the UC ended with all sorts of bad things happening like food supplies so low that people had to be sacrificed. We have the Kuntala in G-Reco after all. Everyone had to literally stop fighting because everything did go down the drain and stayed there for a very long time.
@@fakebunny1272 It doesn't ignore the resentment, that's why Zeon keeps popping up repeatedly. Even in Crossbone something of Zeon still came out of the woodwork. On a larger scale, that's why all these wars happen. Some folks are marginalized, are riled up into a rebellion by some shifty dudes and then a war to put the rebellion down ensues. It's the same song and dance all the way through because somebody didn't get the memo or just refused to bury the hatchet.
Not sure why, but I always thought as the "Beyond the Time" and "A Place where even time has color" as the UC "Beyond the grave", the place where dead people go, and that newtypes could use power from any of the place. NT just confirms this theory of mine. Also, I'm pretty sure that NotChar and Banagher's conscience go through time watching the events. I think they can't interact with the events. And the novel states that Full Frontal is char's split personality that stayed behind not trusting humanity could move foward without destroying each other. In the end, when Frontal and Banagher are at the end of time, Lala and Char and the other half of char comes to get frontal, that's what Lala meant when she said "something something the thoughs when you were you captain." And I get you point of the colony laser being blocked cheapens the axis shock, but Banagher at that point is way more powerfull than Amuro (and even stronger than camille, but he disapeared) and the Nu Gundam/Sazabi psycoframe evolved into Sinanju, that evolved into the Unicorns. So banagher can harness and control way more power. I'd love to have a long chat with you about UC Gundam, even help creating a "no one understands ZZ gundam", since it's not as bad as you think. The first half (or first 15 episodes) are upbeat, and if you are coming directly after Z Gundam, it feels like a salt in the wound, but I have a theory about it. I've watched almost all Gundam Shows, in the UC I'm missing only the gundam begins (the rise of char) and thunderbolt. Really hope you get to read all of this.
ZZ had a problem in that Tomino was basically under orders from Sunrise to lighten the mood. He did for the first part hence why ZZ is hard to watch. Basically you have most of AEUG wiped out, and EFSF in shambles and the second coming of Zeon invading yet he was ordered to lighten the mood. Tomino did the best he could. Victory Gundam is where he lost it as the merger of Bandai (the cause of most of Gundams issues as they made demands on script changes for toy sales) forced him to make changes that ruined it, and he began to add things out of spite like bikini clad soldiers, and two wheeled land battleships and then kill most of the protagonist team off again like Zeta. Tomino still begs people to not watch Victory Gundam.
Now UC Gundam w/Psychoframe is a very good definite candidate for the prologue of humanity in Warhammer 40k. As a matter of fact, Turn A and Turn X can be the first generation scout suit in the Dark Age of Technology. If Speranza ability to rewind time were based on Psychoframe ability to rewind time that would explain why.
IIRC, the blocking of the colony laser in UC Gundam is a homage to Kincaide Nau blocking the VSBR from Harrison Madin's F91 using 2 beam shields and the Beam Zanber, albeit on a much larger scale, and different dynamics involved.
I hate alot of stuff about the last Unicorn OVA Episode. One of them is the change of Maridas death. In the Novel Frontal kills Marida. And in the OVA Riddhe. Without any consequences. It's so weird. Few scenes later "Hey Banagher let's fight together"
@@BansheeNT-D that would’ve been more interesting maybe given that now the conflict became more personal, while yeah riddhe isn’t bad in my opinion, and banshee norn is my favorite gundam from the Unicorn show and OVAs, him being obsessed with mineva and then going crazy over killing newtypes even though he doesn’t realize he’s one now himself was just bs
I feel like Gundam is at it's best when the 'low' and 'high' elements of its setting are kept in balance. NT just... went too hard into the 'high' direction. This whole movie just felt... off. Also, ZZ is pure kino. Your soul is obviously weighed down by gravity.
I didn't understand my first watch through of unicorn but after processing all of the story more I came to understand that not only do new types minds connect but also souls and they always say "you can come here" or "we can play anytime" everything exists in the same place at the same time for new types souls. basically they can astral project, the final fight of unicorn looked crazy but they were in one place the whole time while their minds were fighting. I don't remember narrative very well but I remember that the three were reunited at one point which is similar to how full-frontal went ... anyway it's interesting that new types are basically multidimensional kind of reminds me of the heroic age
THANK YOU. I've just watched NT, managed to dodge spoilers for years somehow, so I'm kinda baffled by how it's being hated by a lot. This movie gives a lot of context to Unicorn, which I loved to hell, but felt the Newtype lore was a bit sketchy. I also felt it dampened the Axis Shock somewhat. NT totally cleared up a lot of stuff, even if the characters are not so fleshed out (although I loved the flashback sequences). The real robpt days of Gundam are long gone, I really appreciate every entry that's sricking to that core, however, for me, the narrative (ha-ha) amd underlying themes are more important and NT nailed that for me even without developed characters. It really expanded on the importance of Newtypes and their real purpose and capabilities. Also, it clearly expands on the themes of having the Psycho Frame is a curse tucked into a miracle. Furthermore, I loved the love story aspect of the movie, where I don't need to see a character escaping on a space ship for 30 episodes, the motivations are clear from the beginning and the somber theme of loss, regret and guilt are all over the place in this movie. NT built a lot for Unicorn and every other Newtype phenomenon throughout the series. This was a really burdening story for me with heavy themes and a lot of well-needed explanation. I just wish more people appreciated it for what it is, instead of hoping for something it was never meant to be.
I always felt that unicorns ending was the amalgamation of everyone's hope and feeling being soaked in banage. Accelerating his newtype state something similar to the emperor in 40k asending to a higher form of human the so called "true newtype". I also thought Riddy felt this too, but hadn't advanced enough as a newtype as Banage did so he didn't ascend yet or that they put their focus on Banage. Idk something to that extent, but I see his point. Also I thought that the phenix was just stuck in that other plane of existence just brought back when ever they wanted. I think this was possible since it was entirely Psychoframe
as far as the ending of unicorn it felt fine to me for a few reasons. 1.Haman karn once took a hit from a colony laser (the exact same laser) and survived by using the same kind of psychic barrier. 2. The unicorn and banshee are much stronger machines than the Nu Gundam and are loaded with the miracle material PsycoFrame 3. Banhager had already pulled off a controlled Axis Shock earlier.
The one thing I really really wish we got in CCA was Lalah's spirit confronting Char and Amuro. Like she's on the cover for the bluray but she's in the film for like a minute. I didn't entirely feel that CCA was a good conclusion to the amuro char rivalry.
Yeah, there is a reason it earned the nickname Char's Character Assassination. It ignores Char's time in Zeta, and still doesn't explain his leap in logic from the One Year War.
**Unicorn's ending.... is as baffling as I felt watching the ending to CHAR'S COUNTERATTACK...... Both of these I just went like, "HUH???? WHAAAA?? WAIT..... THAT'S HOW IT ENDS????? WTF man..."** Then GUNDAM NARRATIVE HAPPENED and I went, "OK......I will gladly take this and have fun and overall finally an explanations enough about the NEWTYPES as a whole (not perfect but great enough like a solid 8.9/10 and love the animations.... especially I do love F91 gundam movie that is not perfect. I remembered a trailer that this takes place after 27 years from F91.... FREAKING AWESOME WHY I LOVE THIS)
The way I see it is that we needed ground rules for Newtypes since day 1. The vagueness early on made sense but it led to Unicorn making Newtypes appear to be gods rather than the next evolution of mankind. Thankfully NT at least made Unicorn’s ending feel less like an asspull
New types are pretty much the Jedi of the gundam universe and nt made me finally understand this It's almost like what would have happened to Jedi when they first started becoming a thing blows me mind now I wanna go back and rewatch all the uc shows
dude you are watching the series backwards. If you insist, then (going backwards) it would be Unicorn--->Chars Counter Attack ----->Gundam ZZ------>Gundam Zeta (DO NOT watch the movie version. Too many things are omitted and rushed)------>Gundam 0083 (not the movie) ----->Mobile suit gundam (compared to the other movies this iteration is alright but the series is superior)---->Gundam Origin Also, check out Gundam 0080 and Gundam 08th MS team (those happen in the 0079 time)
I gotta say unicorns ending with the full power in my original sense was odd but it then got me thinking before I finally watched narrative of could the unicorn gundams gain sentience and to my surprise on a rewatch thinking of this idea yes it started off with banshee and his uncontrolled rage by the use of both reide and marida as a catalyst at that very moment for banshee to express that rage then unicorn came in and gained it fully after learning from the banshee but not using the pilot as a catalyst but more as a link in which it was able to grab the cable then came the call for unicorn the response was instantly to defend the pilot and get him in since he can’t transform without a pilot and now phenex to my surprise phenex gave me another additional idea to this theroy of how a gundam like the unicorn brothers could have sentience when the phenex gone green and ejected his pilot in order to save him in which was a form of compassion in my eyes in which after thinking of some scenes and unicorns ending I noticed how the effect happened it’s sadness the unicorn gained sadness and wanted to stop fights by the time stream effect and then phenex learned this and also a new ability of power transfer which could only be done with another physcoframe type mobile suit such as the narrative however the blocking of the laser yes is bullshit but taking those into consideration the feat by just those two are possible as well as bullshit as it is they created a massive i field and even the shields blocked a massive chunck of it so they learned what to do in order to stop it in my theroy of course
i love how well psychoframe tech's abilities and the whole idea of "technology can never go back again" ties into turn a, it really feels ?!?? so perfect ?? lmao
Well you're in luck. Mineva does ponder about having herself and Banagher keep an eye on Psychoframe technology being sealed at least for as long as they live. It also wanted to explain the loss of Pyschoframes by F91 times, when Biocomputers were the norm.
Watched it now and first of all Newtypes and Time has been intertwined each other since the very beginning. Referenced in multiple songs in the series and directly mentioned with Lalah's death. Second of all I think Newtypes were best depicted in 00 where it solely focuses on the aspect of empaths rather than space magic. For me newtypes was made to add another layer of nuance for characters, not a major plot device. Something that adds more characterization for their characters in subtle ways and 00 shows it really well.
Oh, commentary about NT (aka the first Gundam movie I saw on the big screen proper and in its proper place, and therefore one that holds a place in my heart)...how could it be any better? (Speaker image is a Kreiger.) I STAND CORRECTED (Also for me Gundam is Gundam. If it has giant robots in it thats allllllll I could ever want.)
During the axis shock in CCA, the effect of the resonating psychoframes of char and Amuro’s suits (driven by amuro’s will) forced all the other mobile suits off axis, so it was indeed only the power of one or 2 suits (with an amplified new type aura) pushing axis back. Also, give ZZ a rewatch. After having seen every UC series and movie multiple times (including narrative) ZZ adds a lot to the larger timeline and newtype canon. Yes you have to sit through the less than ideal first half but it’s not as bad as people say. I’d still rather sit through the first 20 episodes of ZZ then watch the garbage that is narrative one more time (although my problem with that is similar to yours, way to rushed and compacted storyline).
Tbh, I like Gundam when it gets technical, but when it’s gets to the magic stuffs, I just going to tune out. It’s why I didn’t give much thoughts to UC, although there are a few series in UC that do get technical all the way.
Blocking the colony laser was just an extension of the indestructability of the green form psychoframe. Also, they didn't make the laser disappear, they just blocked it. Char and Amuro literally yeeted the asteroid out of existence.
Thank you, I may have to check this out. I have very mixed feelings on any Gundam UC stuff. I prefer Gundam IBO, or Turn A (even if I can't get it dubbed.
NT gets a lot of undeserved hate IMO. It wasn't a masterpiece but it wasn't as terrible as some people make it out to be. Personally I liked it, although I feel like it would have worked better as an OVA like Unicorn, and also Zoltan's design was kinda goofy. Ultimately both UC and NT are so divisive that my advice is to just watch them and see for yourself whether you like them or not.
I mean when you think about it in term of continuity and context, this would explain why there weren’t any other Psyco-frames Gundams after the 3 RX-0 Gundams during the time of F91 and Victory.
Funny enough I love ZZ gundam. Especially with its connection to Moon Gundam. And it’s lead up to chars rebellion. And there are a ton of people who hated narrative. Two sides of the same coin.
Instead of every UC series being a sequel, after CCA (which really was supposed to be the end until F91), they should make more OVAs set during the One Year War, or other aspects of the AEUG/Titans resistance.
I was always under the impression that new types could be either magical or advanced science. Like the machine helps them connect to the coding of the machine and alter things within it. Which would be why the funnels move around. It’s also why ai thought Full frontal could just explode their weapons using a psycho shard. He altered 5e coding. I also thought that the psycho frame enhanced you mentally making it so you can see every influence in your life or at least the ones 5at matter most to make the right choice. And that anything super crazy was science interacting with human spirit and making something beyond our understanding. Like if you told me that the Axis shock happened cause Amuros Psycho frame when overpowered by his mind demanding higher functioning from itself was able to somehow in a moment of sheer brilliance was able to alter “coding in space” by swapping around molecules to create some sort of gravity thing. I would hella except it. But to hear it reduced down to a magic system feels disappointing.To me it makes things worse. I always thought of the ghost as symbolic too. I mean like maybe not all the time cause writers go fucking crazy and don’t care and are stupid. But it would make sense that a Mobile suit would pick up an ally death or register that someone you know died and just send it immediately to your brain. And this psycho frame is enhancing your capacity to think and act so much that you can see that persons whole life and greatest ideologies constantly flashin in your face as a ghost in front of you. Sort of downplays some of that by just making it magical. But idk maybe another dimension like that really does exist. And when the suit would suddenly get really fucking old and disintegrate, I actually have no idea how this one works. But what it was just an advanced application of molecular manipulation. The unicorn responds to your emotions so it’s not too far to assume that psycho frames don’t just read your minds. There’s an ai or program that could exercise all of your knowledge in the middle of flow while simultaneously using all the benefits an AI has over us.
I deff wish bandai and sunrise would remake NT into a OVA also the same with Char's Counter Attack but more along the lines of the manga Beltorchika's Children. With that said i have to admit..... I love newtype nonsense and space magic. It all makes sense to me.
Newtypes are poorly presented in Gundam but they have roots in hard sci fi from Arthur C. Clarke and Isaac Asimov. Newtypes are basically the Star Child from 2001 A Space Odyseey, a species that moved beyond the human condition into a new realm of existance with the Gundams like Unicorn and Nu representing the 'spiritual' machine serving as the tool for transcendence. I personally like the idea of Newtypes and though I wish some ambiguity would remain around this concept I still think they deserve to be properly fleshed our as they are a part of hard sci fi and they are representative of Gundams lesser known themes of transcendance and technological advancements to the point of singularity. This is why I liked the endings of Unicorn and Zeta as well as the NT movie.
@@jasperreyes5174 Innovators are closer to newtypes than anything else, in fact they are superior. I dont think its so wrong for me to call innovators as newtypes.
@@fauxvier8519 Don't worry man... I know... I was just playing around... I also personally treat Innovators as More Complete Newtypes or as Riddhe Marcenas from Gundam Unicorn said... Perfect Newtype...
@@jasperreyes5174 Ah i see. People on the internet called me out on this back then so its a little bit of an annoyance to me lol. Also yes, innovators are the perfect newtypes... at least in a pure sci-fi kind of sense. Newtypes in UC are too heavy on the esper department that it kinda ruins the concept. I really liked innovators since it really did advance mankind cus of how well it worked in tandem with technology. Basically the biggest reason why AD is my favorite timeline in the franchise ^^
UC never was about defeating death. WTF? It's not Fullmetal Alchemist. It's about evolution, war and people rights to independence. Unicorn main theme about declaration was so awsome and true to the setting...
Wow, well said and I really like your breakdown, I for one thought you were on point for every point you made, nice PS yeh Kamille best protag and ZZ SUCKS
Yah know it just dawned on me, perhaps the whole gimmick behind psycho frame technology time travle and new types being able to converse between dimensions...Is all eventually going to become an elaborate attempt at merging U.C and non U.C timelines or in the least justifying the alt timelines. Psycho frames disappearance would justify the development of the technology used in F90-Crossbone and even Turn A. Thus creating a divergent U.C timeline if the 3rd Unicorn did in fact come from a different future.
Jerid getting totally fucked over by him becoming an annoying fly which Kamille swatted with ease was a fitting anticlimax though. Jerid hated him to the end and saw kamille as his blood vengeance that he dedicated all of his goals towards, while Kamille had grown lot and his feud with Jerid didn’t consume him as it literally ended up consuming Jerid as he got engulfed in the explosion of the Radish.
@@AltronKopaq I've always thought that Jerid eventually became addicted to losing to Kamille. Midway their rivalry, Jerid is showing compassion and is questioning the Titan's goals but being under Scirocco and having to work together with a war monger like Yazan became a negative influence to him. Then Kamille proceeded to kill another one of his girlfriend which was his anchor of Morality. With her gone, he only has his hatred for Kamille and the mutual goal of destroying the Zeta. But even with an upgraded unit like baundoc, all he did was grab the zeta behind it to show some form of dominance but easily ended up becoming space dust when Kamille didn't even bothered to have a moral debate against him.
