How Horace Grant & The Magic Motivated Michael Jordan to Create the Greatest Team Ever 

Jordan took all that shit personal lol. He even use the guys from the space jam movie as practice for the league. Savage lol

I’ll never forget the NBA on NBC promos for the bulls would show a pic of their big three consecutively with audio saying SUPERMAN - BATMAN - & RODMAN 😂

It's probably the best guest i've seen on a basketball podcast ever. Great stories, dude played with Bird, Shaq, Kobe and played vs Jordan and Dream in the Finals. Unreal

B Shaw is a pleasure to listen to. Very calm and clear, no megalomania or overstatements

MJ changing back from no. 45 to no. 23, is like when Clark Kent became human because he wanted to marry Lois Lane, but then went back to get his powers and turned back into Superman! 💪

PG - EXCELLENT job letting your guests speak without interrupting.

I remember the off season when the Bulls got Rodman. No one wanted him. Everyone was afraid he would destroy any team he went to. I was a little nervous he would do it to the Bulls. You knew he was gonna bring drama and problems with him. He ended up being an absolute perfect fit for that team. Could very easily have gone south really quickly.

After a season ending loss players take some time off before getting ready for the next season .. mj told his trainer, "ill see you tomorrow" .. thats 🐐

MJ didn't make excuses for fuckin up. He just worked, took what he had, and persevered towards the goal.

The GOAT thing about MJ was the next year he scored 45 purposely on that close out game 😂 💯🔥💪 that Magic team was 🔥 tho and Horace made a difference too.

Mj had a torn ligament in his wrist as well. Still gave them 30 plus a game lol Biggest thing they were missing the rebounding of Horace as well as his defence. Once Rodman was in the Bulls swept the Magic.

Kobe Jordan canceling each other out? Stop it. The main difference between Kobe and Jordan is efficiency. Kobe never shot 50% in a season. Jordan shot that for his career. Hate to bust you guys bubble.

Thank you B Shaw for mentioning the fact that they beat the Rockets in the reg season that year. Folks don't know or remember how much Drexler going to the Rockets changed that team. That Magic team was great that year, they were headed for the title.

What MJ did was crazy: he took more than a year off to play another completely different sport, came back and lost the Conference Finals, then came back strong, finished with a 72-10 team record, and completed another three-peat. Imagine what was going on in his head. The motivation is crazy.

I remember clear as day when RODMAN went to the BULLS. There was a headline on this magazine that read….”Hair and Air, can it work?” And it surely did 😁Those were the days

I never thought that it was odd that he went from one game to the next and changed his number. That’s power. League wasn’t gonna deny him that

Shaw makes an excellent point: We'd just pass the ball into Shaq (in today's game) and he'd foul everyone out. (I think he'd have some games with points in the 70s and/or rebounds in the 30s in today's game)

Brian Shaw, what an excellent guest. You sort of forget just how many important teams he was on, and also how long he’s been coaching.

Rodman was the perfect fix for the Bulls.

He changed to 23 in game 2 and torched their asses to go back to Chicago tied 1-1

Excellent commentary by b-Shaw when talking about the Jordan vs the magic team. I remember those series as if it were yesterday. When Jordan faced them the 2nd time around, he destroyed the magic along with Rodman who totally outplayed Horace grant who all of a sudden got hurt in that series. To penny’s credit, he had a Gr8 series but Jordan was just Spectacular! They swept the Magic, and sent shaq to the west Coast. If shaq had returned the following yr, it’s safe to say the Bulls would have just beaten them again.

He showed up in 23 game 2 in Orlando, not Chicago. I still remember watching it as a kid when he was walking out for the tip-off, thinking they were showing old clips.

“Jordan and kobe cancel each other out” 😂😂😂😂 Sure The interesting part would of been Shaq but Rodman had been locking him down for years

*3:21** Lol, that's cold putting that up, lol.*

He forgot to mention that Horace injured his shoulder in game 1 and was out the rest of the series. That was the biggest blow on the Magic vs Bulls

#45 hit different…😂💯

People out here talking about how the Magic beat the Rockets in the regular season, and trust me I didn't like the trade for Drexler at first neither, but what they did, will probably never be done again, by winning from a 6th seed, being .500 under and sweeping a young stronger team. I feel Jordan was elated with that, and couldn't wait to get his turn at the Magic.

B Shaw so eloquent. Amazing stories

He said no one would have a an answer for Shaq but Jordan and the 96 bulls swept the magic and prime shaq that same year. 96 bulls vs 00' Lakers = Bulls in 5 .

Paul is a natural. Keep up the great work.

He changed in GM2. First game Bulls we’re about to win but Anderson stole ball from MJ and then afterwards talked trash about 45 not being the same as 23. So MJ came out wearing 23 in GM2 still in Orlando and Bulls won that game.

The Bulls would’ve tricked Kobe into making it a 1 one 1 game . Lakers basketball IQ isn’t as high as those Bulls . Bulls in 5

Rodman was the real difference. Thank God the Bulls got him. I really don't think there's any way they're winning 3 straight again without that guy. For sure brought his drama and still had his moments but he was the difference

That Magic Team was a monster.

The Michael Jordan Revenge Tour 1995-'96 Is The Stuff Of Legend. Alongside the rest of The Chicago Bulls, That particular Team became the most dangerous ever in NBA History.

MJ 🐐. He didn’t take the shortcut to win rings.

never knew some of this stuff. shout out to podcast p and crew for bringing old heads on this podcast along with new cats

Jordans mind state was second to none miss that competitive mentality of going all out miss it

Brian Shaw made alot of smart arguements...absolutely a blessing to listen to a justified and logical explanation...

That was Jordan's first full season back going 72-10 and 15-3 in the playoffs. Makes you wonder how those 2 years in-between 3peats would have gone had he didn't retire to play baseball. Could he have 8peated or even 9peated (seeing how he might have wanted to hang on for 1 more season to surpass the 1960's Celtics 8 straight)? And if he did that, would LeBron fans STILL call him the GOAT even with him at half of Jordan's titles?

This was a great interview

Shaw 57 Scottie 58 mike 61.close in age 😂😂😂shaw you funny

I remember that series. As a Bulls fan you hoped for something that deep down you knew wasn't likely. The Bulls were a barely over .500 team for the season. Jordan took them further than they had any business being in the playoffs then. Even though Jordan was rounding into form, the Magic were legit. Young Shaq, young Penny... and what people don't get is that the two of them, Penny in particular, had a full year WITHOUT Jordan in the league where his confidence could just grow. Orlando fully were favorites and deserved to win. It's still shocking how that finals vs. the Rockets went down to me. Shaq deserved better. Dream was incredible but Shaq didn't let up either and was outstanding. Love Jordan as a player. But there's no denying that mentally he just destroyed guys on the court. So much of it was mental and he owned folks.

Good stuff.

It was after game 1 when Nick Anderson made the “45 isn’t 23” comment and then in game 2 is when Mike broke back out 23.

Well Rodman did stop Shaq in that Bulls sweep of the Magic. Then despite how great Kobe was, MJ would still had the edge over him, so I'd think the Bulls would still come out on top of the 3 peat Lakers but it would have been a close tough match up.

I saw B Shaw at hooters w H grant in Orlando and I remember telling Bshaw great triple double...looked back that was his only triple double ! Both stand up dudes

96 Chicago Bulls. Would Have Smoked 01 Lakers and 16 Warriors.

He musta forgot how good Rodman guarded Shaq in the post

Jordan the goat point blank.

Correction B Shaw. Jordan and Shaq would cancel each other out. Jordan was the Shaq of shooting guards, according to Reggie Miller.

Nah, the Lakers threepeat is overshadowed by all the controversy.

Agree. No player dominant insde the paint like Shaq yet. I have said that to my players and friends ever since the 3 pt era and fast line up began. It will only return once a very dominant inside force arrives. The line up will change to adjust to the inside game and the game will become more balance(inside and outside game). Problem is big players with potential to dominate the painy do not focus to be dominant inside the paint, instead they practice to play outside and shoot the ball at the 3 point line also.

I loved it when the Bulls swept the Magic. Me and my brother and friends were ecstatic!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That Magic team got swept by Hakeem 😂

Brian Shaw w legendary stories. Great Interview GOAT George!

Great convo but B Shaw confused the 73 win Warriors with the ‘17 warriors that had KD. He was asked about the KD warriors but answered using the 16 warriors. Also he omitted that H Grant was injured during the rematch series where the magic got swept. I still think the bulls win that series but it would’ve def been a different dynamic.

That 45 mike jersey is classic

Oh! And Shaw is TOTALLY RIGHT about the Grant on shoulders bit. That pi$$ed Jordan off like you wouldn't believe. To add insult to injury, Grant missed much of the series in the playoffs of that 72 win team but in that first game, Grant was there, it was a blowout (Bulls swept), and he was thoroughly outplayed by Rodman who even outscored him.

Immediately after The 1995 Eastern Conference Semifinals, Michael Jordan went straight into training in the Gym, filmed "Space Jam 1995", and trained while on set. The season arrives, and the rest is History.

I remember seeing Shaw playing on the lakers, but I ain’t know he was THAT old with his career lol

Shaq definitely missed the question, he said the warriors with KD not the 73-9 warriors

That speech reflects the defeatist attitude of someone who hasn't even tried to compete. It's reminiscent of the narratives we often hear from players who faced Jordan. Had they not harbored such defeatist mindsets, the outcome would likely have been very different. In boxing, Evander Holyfield's victory over Tyson serves as a prime example of what can happen when someone refuses to be mentally defeated.

People forget how Rodman played against Shaq. Rodman gave Shaq problems because Rodman wasn't intimidated by his size. And Rodman's mental game was unbeatable. In the end, the Lakers have no answer for Pippen. That's the difference in that series.

I loved penny but I thank the magic every time I hear this story 😂😂

The question was the Warriors with KD not the 73 win Warriors before KD.

96 Bulls won 72 and turn around in 97 and won 69 games. That 97 team was a mfer as well

I understand promotion but its still funny how PG wearin a shirt of himself lol

You can’t say Jordan and Kobe cancel each other out.

imagine if Shaq and Jordan were allowed to travel

Where the Magic messed up, they celebrated raising Horace Grant in the air like they won the championship in front of the Bulls. MJ always took in game and post game celebrations personally. Thats all the motivation the Bulls needed to sweep the Magic the following year. Great take by Brian Shaw.

B shaw💯

I love the fact that aint nobody has an answer for Shaq. Like he says. Too big. Too fast. Too strong

Once the BULLS added RODMAN that following season, and formed that (BIG-3 SUPERTEAM ), it was all over

Pip ,Rodman & MJ's defense and IQ are 2nd2None...forget about it,no discussion!

Everybody forgets Shaq ran to Kobe to get his ring😂

MJ sticked with the Bulls; He didn't joined another superstar. He didn't complain. He didn't cry. He didn't flop. He didn't load manage.

No answer for Shaq is often said, but Shaq teams were routinely taken to 6-7 games (or swept)....dominant statistical nightmare, yes, but his teams were routinely challenged. Those Indiana, Utah, and Portland teams were a handful, but aren't better than GSW (or the '16 Cavs). Full respect to B Shaw, this was a great pod 👏🏽👏🏽!

5:55 interesting perspective considering he had Shaq on his team when those same Bulls swept them in one of the biggest margins of victory for a series ever.

Little known fact about that ‘95 Bulls-Magic series: after changing back to #23, Jordan scored a combined 65 points in the second half of game 3 (I think) and the first half of game 4 (30 and 35 points).

If Shaq was the NBA’s Superman then Kobe was definitely Batman. Bro knew everybody’s game, didn’t really like many people(he did but didn’t really show it on the court) and you gained his respect by playing tough and working hard. Always training.

Intelligent analysis. However i noticed people always forget about Toni Kukoc and his abilities

He mentioned 2015-16 Warriors but the question was about the Warriors with Kd

PG with the PG shirt

I remember every player on that magic team. They were America's team that year

When they swept that Magic team, I knew there was no one who can beat them

Dennis Rodman was the answer for Shaq, as well as Luc Longley and Bill Wennington who the Bulls had at Center to make it difficult for Shaq. The X factor would've been Pippen because the Lakers didn't have anybody to guard him. Pippen and Jordan would've taken turns guarding Kobe, which would've allowed Jordan to out play Kobe. The Bulls would've beat the Shaq & Kobe Lakers because the Bulls were a deeper teem.

the warriors disrespect kinda wild just because they got injured and couldnt 3 peat. no ones completely shutting down shaq kobe or mike, but no ones shutting down steph or kd either

Nick Anderson free throws 😢

Jordan came back with a vengeance, Rodman shut down Shaq.

"The 72-10 Bulls wouldn't have had anyone who could deal with Shaq," he says, 45 seconds after talking about the 72-10 Bulls sweeping Shaq out of the playoffs 😂

After Bulls losing to Magic Tim Grover “Alright Mike, I’m about to leave, let me know when you want me to see.” MJ “I’ll see you tomorrow”

The bulls swept the magic and handled the big guy …. so I say that the bulls have the edge.

Dennis Rodman could deal well with Shaq

No one cancels MJ out so I’ll give the edge to Jordan vs Kobe. The Bulls played against Shaq many times and in the playoffs. Not saying the Bulls would stop him completely but Rodman always did a good job guarding Shaq and with the Bulls other centers that would keep Shaq in check. Other than that I don’t have a problem with what Brian Shaw said.

Michael, Scottie, Dennis and Scottie saying on plane rides that they won't ever lose games during their 72-10 season

When Bulls got Rodman it was a done deal. Nobody could mess with the 96 bulls.

Now I see why Horace Grant teamed up with Scottie on MJ their hate tour. LOL

My man wearing a t shirt of himself 😂

Of course it's Nick Anderson what hasn't he done to mess up the Orlando Magic