I have been working with AMD over the Freesync and power issues. By default Freesync should be enabled and the driver on the Dell page dated May 21st should enable it. I did the update via the AMD support page which hadn't been updated and I believe caused a conflict even after running AMD Clean up utility. The only way I can currently get Freesync working is adding it to Custom Resolution Utility. As for the power , HWinfo is picking up the dGPU and CPU power together. AMD says that Smartshift is new and they need to work with the folks making this software. For now, only the temperatures are reliable.
OK, so I have spoken with AMD and the plan is to get their engineers to look at my system. The 5600M should pull 90 to 100w with Speedshift and the 4800h 54w with Speedshift. The general feeling was that the power sensors were swapped but no one can explain why in Cinebench, a CPU only test, measured about 60w and the SAME sensor picked up 115w in a game. I will report back when when their engineers have had a look.
It could be worthwhile to clean off the stock thermal paste and use Kryonaut or GC Gelid Extreme on both CPU and GPU. DELL doesn't have the best track history with thermal paste applications (or providing adequate cooling for given hw), so it may fix some performance issues. Also, the temperatures recorded could be due to the hw being too new for the software to properly measure. Oh, and, if the display panel is FREESYNC capable, it might be noteworthy to try and use CRU software (free) to enable Freesync. Usually when you clean install AMD gpu drivers, they tend to remove registry marks which detect Freesync in the first place. So for laptops, you need to use CRU to get Freesync operational.
Excellent Steven. Smart to go to AMD on it. Now if Dell fixes this, along with the PWM issue, and free sync on the 144Hz panel, and the no show 68Wh battery, and the G5 SE might be quite attractive.Take care.
Something is off with the wattage. While I’m not surprised to see Dell cranking the wattage, I think it might be combined with Vega or something because at that wattage it should have no problem hitting its spec all-core boost. The GPU wattage of the 5500m is 85w and the 5600m claims to be a 150w part which I have my doubt. Regardless, something is off in my opinion on wattage. The temps sadly seem right. Fun times ahead buddy! Good luck and have fun 🤛
Something is off with everything. I highly doubt it's getting to 100c at 30% load. Gotta be a different sensor situation. The HotHardware review said the CPU/GPU never broke 85c.
I hope i haven screwed my self over with buying this laptop. This video made me sketchy but i doubt the numbers are real. That wattage on cpu is impossible and i saw some game reviews where is got to only mid 80s on the cpu during games
its just weird that this laptop have a strong spec but can't run OW (good optimized game) over 100fps ? And how the CPU get so hot and burn so much energy with 30% ? Like 100 degree with 110W :V
FINALLY! The first real review of this laptop! All the other ones have been reviewing a made up developer model. This is the first review of a laptop you can actually buy!!!
All gaming laptop did this, its only logic, more power from the cpu and gpu plus running heavy 3d rendering means more power drawn from electricity and the cpu and gpu works harder all of that means more heat, since people request to make a light and thin gaming laptop but also powerful at the same time to run heavy games. So in order to be thin and light, some sacrifices needed to made. Which is ? Cooling. Less fans than the pc counterpart. Its already a miracle that we now can make a thin light and powerful gaming laptop. Yes heat will always be a huge problem as long as we lack fans like the pc. In order to put more fans inside we need more space which translate to bigger and heavier gaming laptop, which most people dont like.
I know right... With intel xtu my i7 9750H rtx 2060 I got my GF 65 to not throttle and to run much cooler. I don't peak at 90° anymore. I actually run like 69°- 84° while gaming now.
Great review. Perhaps, there was too much hope in the 5600M GPU. I'm waiting for a Ryzen 4800H. The most important thing for me it's not it's GPU raw power, but its expansion possibilities. MSI bravo 15 could be a good fit: it can be expanded to 64gb RAM, the SSD unit seems very accessible, so as the rest of its components. It's relatively light: 1,6-1,8kg, probably because the use of metal in some parts of its chassis. I hope you'll be able to review it soon. Your review of the Asus A15 and Dell G5 SE are the most honest I've found. You have a new subscriber.
I updated the BIOS to 1.2.0 and there are no power options in the BIOS, merely options to change the charging behavior of the battery. Brightness, I forgot to show that here but it is 260 Nits at 100% and only 65 nits at 50% This is a first look, to follow will be the review and gaming comparison against the Asus TUF A15 . Make sure to subscribe to catch that: bit.ly/OWNorDisown
@@jrohith2707Well, its all plastic but that isn't a bad thing. Its juts like the Inspiron 7000 gaming or G3 really. The speakers are pretty decent and the screen is OK, although its not very bright. I am sure Dell will issue another BIOS to address the power usage as that is what is killing it. I Like it has plenty of storage and it feels fairly solid. Its not as portable as others .
There has to be a reason why he doesn't show the Rivatuner overlay when gaming..there is no hiding from the numbers. None of the big reviewers show that.
@@OWNORDISOWN yeah when I asked him directly on discord why he doesn't show temps properly he said it would ruin the video aesthetics and then I got tons of his fans jumping in the bandwagon and supporting him lol.
Thank you for taking the time to make this video. Even though the video isn't doing super well yet, for subscribers like me who are looking into jumping into the market to buy an AMD based budget gaming laptop, this information is invaluable. Excellent review as usual.
Thanks, appreciate it ! One thing I have come to grips with is that most people like shorter videos with less data. But I find those videos boring and to be honest, if I was spending alot of money on a laptop I would want to know how it really performs. This laptop causes the monitoring software issues due to the smartshift. Its adding the power if the GPU and CPU together. I'm working with AMD to solve the Freesync issue, I was able to enable it via CRU but that's not for the average user. Thanks for watching!
First got to know this channel back in June 2018 looking for G7 reviews, exactly 2 years later waiting for a G5 SE review and I got it. I got the G7 back then, but I don't think I'll get this one tho, might wait for another more detailed review. Great content as usual, keep it up.
You're a saver man! Thank you for your honest work! I'm looking forward to seeing the new HP Omen 15 (AMD) preferably with the 2060 when it comes out. It's looking like the best 4800H well-rounded laptop so far! It just needs a reasonable price.
Thanks. I read the Hothardware review, he said it was running at 82 degrees but their CPU thermal chart says 105.8 degrees. It's amazing how many people didnt spot it hothardware.com/reviews/dell-g5-15-se-review?page=4
Steven, excellent can of worms first look. Thank you for your report. I was expecting something similar because Dell’s customer chat folks seem clueless about this model. They told me no 68Wh battery is available. Total let down from Dell giving one no confidence. -Assuming the temps measured are correct, it sounds like the thermal paste is lacking, or the heat-pipe is broken, or its not mounted properly. The power usage is bogus. Assuming the power is shown properly for the 45W CPU & not the GPU, the Ryzen should completely fail. -I can’t understand how dimwitted a keyboard design that has such small keys, and then adds a useless number pad that restricts space even further. -The screen dimness is almost a showstopper. Any screen under 300nits (I’m including Lenovo here), seems unacceptable in 2020, However, I was impressed with the high sRGB rating, but PWM flicker you detected is a no-deal proposition. -Even the unavailable 68W battery isn’t enough. Seems like 90Wh is more logical. -Dell really screwed up here. I wanted an all AMD system that is designed well, and this doesn’t look like it.
Thanks mate! I have been speaking to AMD. The 5600m should pull 90 to 100w and the 4800h 54w with smart shift. Cinebench R20 is a CPU only test and the sensor picked up 60w, the same sensor picked up 115w in gaming. Even AMD didnt know why that is. Their engineers will be helping me get to the bottom of it and I will update with more information.
OWNorDisown Steven, assuming things workout for your full review, I wonder if it is possible to run a speed test on that Hynix SSD,then run your game tests. Next add a Sabrent 1TB $150 PCIe3 2280 NVME.2 Sabrent 1TB Rocket NVMe PCIe M.2 2280 Internal SSD High Performance Solid State Drive (SB-ROCKET-1TB) www.amazon.com/dp/B07LGF54XR/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tau_2Xb3Eb3TAYC5M in the spare slot. I’m wondering how much faster the machine would be. The Sabrent is 2x seq reads, and about 3x sequential writes. Or, maybe that doesn’t make a difference, since games run out of RAM? Thanks for all your work.
General thermal advice: I used to have a Dell Alienware R2, but the graphics card melted due to poor management of thermals. When I bought this as a replacement, I tried to make sure that doesn't happen. As basic as it may, I found under-volting really helps with controlling the thermals of the laptop, as it naturally tries to max it's overclock ability thus leading to a quick thermal throttle. XTU seems to not have the controls for under-volting on this laptop, but Throttlestop does a really good job in its place. I can create various under-volting profiles that I can tailor for my various use-cases (all cpu and gpu intensive to varying degrees). The "G" aka "Gaming" button (some version have just a plain F7 key) is really effective with bringing down thermals under load. It is loud (due to fans) but doesn't have the notorious whine of Alienware laptops (thank god). On reflection, managing the dust build up on fans can really save your laptop from a premature death (I will never be without a compressed air can again). Hope that helps some thermal conscious minds!
@@OWNORDISOWN Ah My version is intel, didn't realise throttlestop was intel only... I'm upgrading my desktop to AMD and wish to undervolt, what is the equivalent?
Great review as always. Kudos for a great channel. Deal breaker for me and now I am crossing this one out as I did with TUF A15. Looking for the launch and review of Eluktronics Matrix RP-15 for final decision.
Could you do a side by side comparison between Dell G5 SE and Asus TUF A15? I am new to this channel and I can say that your reviews are really good! New subscriber!
Thanks for the sub ! I no longer have the A15 but I will have the Legion 5 next week so can show that alongside it. I do plan on doing a video comparing all the AMD laptops so far , including the G15 and G14 :)
I have the cheaper model with 60 Hz screen - no flickering issues at all. I usually run 75% brightness but I tested it 0-100% just now on battery and AC, no flickering anywhere, No freesync either, but the response time is fast. I did not feel hindered at all in Crysis 3. Obviously if you want to do competitive gaming you'll want 120 or 144 Hz, and a bigger size for that matter. At some point I plan on getting a 26" monitor for home use... but I got this laptop for "light gaming" and DAW work, at sub-$1000 it's pretty much a steal for that purpose. Last month I couldn't find any laptops with a Ryzen 4000 + a halfway-decent GPU, at least not anywhere near my price range. But if you want to spend $1300-1500 chances are you'll find something better than the G5.
Methinks the temp and power sensor were mixed up with the review. Other reviewers have stated the same thing. The Hothardware review had a CPU temp of 105c in a graph, but the review stated the actual temp was 20c less. The temp of the CPU sensor in this review is actually the temp of the SOC. Just like the other review
@@tytlyf ohkay so what value is shown by these reviewers in general and want is the safe range for SOC temp? In Alienware command centre there is generally a 10°C temp difference in the temp shown under 'CPU' and the Thermal profile section. So which one should one consider for safe temps?
First of all thanks for the review, seems to be a problem with your unit or something. Every other reviewer had no problems with consumption and thermals. About the 2.5 inch drive bay, where and how can I find a connector? I ordered the 1050 usd config and would rather have a ssd as boot and hdd for game storage.
Thanks, you can buy the SATA connector and mounting hardware on Amazon. I have been talking with AMD, smartshift was making HWINFO64 read the power of both the CPU and GPU at the same time . The thermals are right though. I read HotHardwares review and I encourage you to look again. Look at the thermal section. He says its 82 degrees but the CPU thermal chart is 105.8 deg C. He is tricking everyone. hothardware.com/reviews/dell-g5-15-se-review?page=4
@@OWNORDISOWN The graph is showing what your graph shows. The CPU temp is being reported as the SOC temp. IOW, ignore what the "CPU temp" field is reporting, that's a different sensor.
So after so many months, can u tell me how things are going with the laptop, is it any good and if there's something u don't like about it can u tell me what it is
@@deltadelta666 I wish I could give a thorough review but I hadn't been putting it through as much stresses as I did with my old one, so unfortunately I can't say much. There was an issue however with some option not showing up in power options that you have to fix in registry, but I found guide on reddit. Also, when I first ran Oculus software, it was black screen... turn off AMD rendering during that and it loads. Other than that, it's been great.
@@deltadelta666 Though honestly I use my laptop so infrequently these days... I kind of want something smaller and I stick to using ShadowTech when I need beef haha
I currently have a ACER VX15 with an i5 7300HQ and GTX 1050 4GB, I have never heard the fans spin and it remains so cool. I will get the next gen Nitro 5 or Helios 300 when next gen GPUs are released.
Dell G5 does double duty as a frying pan in case you gotta have your morning bacon and eggs Dells got you covered 100c wohoo. Great review bud do not leave it near any flammable substances .
32% cpu usage, 115w consumption, 100.6° cpu temp..? Do you think this 100w cpu power consumption is related to the amd's smart shift? It's really unusual. Thaks for your review.
Quick question, is the mini dp connected to the 5600m and thus compatible with the Rift S? Looking to pick up a gaming laptop and Rift S compatibility is a must have for me as i plan to use it as a replacement for my aging desktop that i can also bring with me when visiting family. Can't seem to find a concrete yes or no about this.
Nice review. Do you have any idea when the mech 15 review will drop? I noticed the estimate you've been giving for the review release keeps getting pushed back, so I'm wondering if you're waiting on Eluktronics for something still. I'm honestly just wondering about the thermals for the mech 15.Thanks.
@@OWNORDISOWN Did they do the same thing as Asus, who block the vent in Zephyrus G15? I also heard the thermal on TUF A15 is bad too. However, the Dell G5 has bad thermal seen the older models.
Few questions for you 1. The second NVMe slot didn't have a cover or screws shown in your video, were they included in the box? 2. The 2.5" bay you mentioned, is there anywhere to actually plug in a HDD or do you think the lettering is just from reusing parts from another laptop that has a HDD as an option? Doesn't look like there would be room for a HDD and second NVMe drive. 3. Is the screen PWM flicker as noticeable in real life or is it affected by the video feed. Like other have said I don't think the powers being reported are accurate, and this being a smart shift enabled laptop is probably not helping much, bit disappointed by the temperatures too unless even Dell have difficulty distinguishing between junction temperature and die temperature on the Ryzen chips. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts when you get to spend more time with it. Mine shipped in the early hours of this morning so too late to cancel my order, I may as well see what I think of it when it gets here.
Yeah, they included no hardware for mounting any drive, m.2 or 2.5". I'm sure a 2.5' drive will fit. I'll rig one for the review. I didn't notice the PWM until I saw it on my camera display...
@@OWNORDISOWN Guess I'll be digging around in the spare part drawer when it gets here, I really want to get a good 1TB M.2 drive in there. Thanks for checking, not sure if I'll try and get 2.5" drive in there, will probably go for a battery replacement to the 68Wh version when the original starts to sag.
I have read so many review on Dell website that this laptop keep crashing after 5 min while playing any game please help as I also want to buy this laptop
Did you notice that the heatpipes on the CPU side aren't fully covering the radiator? It only covering like 2/3 length wise. The GPU side seems to extend over the edge of the radiator, so that ones getting max possible dissipation. Reminds me of my Clevo P370EM i had some 8 years ago, with a 3920XM and 680M SLI. The AMD 7970HD Crossfire model had a notorious flaw in the cooler design where the heatpipe didn't have full contact/coverage with the radiator and run incredibly hot to the point of thermalthrottling like crazy all time all day long.
On amd website, there is a big freesync word for this laptop, but it actually doesn't? The heatpipes doesn't seem to be sufficient, no individual pipes for each component. I wonder whether the power reading for cpu and gpu are swapped, gpu power seem too low and cpu power seem too high?
I have a Dell G3 with a 9300H and the CPU has an insane boost as well. Hits 95-100C under load with full fans, but all cores run at 4GHz, and it scores 2200 in Cinebench R20, when most benchmarks have it at 15-1600.
9:24 It's definitely swapped. How can a 30 watt gpu push that kind of frame rate. 115 watt is the tdp of gpu 5600m rather than the cpu, it's common sense.
I want to buy a new laptop. Should I buy this dell g5 SE amd ryzen 5 hexacore? My main concern is about heating issue.I am very scared of it. What should I buy then ? Or Is this ok ?
Oh boy this is not that I expected. This laptop is my alternatif for A15 (for its lack of good display). It has good srgb, but the power intake and also the heat output turn me off
@@OWNORDISOWN See how many people now think it's a HOT laptop? You should correct them and look into why the CPU temp was reporting the SOC temp. (20c higher)
Same, the a15 looks good at first glance but apparently it is riddled with a bunch of issues related to it's design that make it seem like it was purposefully crippled. I am torn between this and the intel version that can be upgraded to the 2070 max q for about $150 more than this one costs but also has thunderbolt support which would allow egpu use down the line which would be handy for me personally since i plan to use it as a replacement for my desktop.
Excelent video!! Anyway those temps are worryng, specially for the integrateds shelf life. but, pretty sure that future updates improve performance and should perform as a 2060 mq. But if it was my choice, i would go to a g15 or a eluktronics matrix
Thanks. I am definitely returning this laptop. I dont Disown may but this is one of them. Spe5keep cracking and going out plus the temps are all over the place.
People should really revisit this after all the bios and system updates now. Heard the temps are way better and the Ryzen controller software lets you control the CPU TDP values.
Easier said than done. Unless you get these for free then its just another financial outlay for minimal gains. I'm not likely to be buying a second to review. If Dell thinks they have improved it let them send me a revuew unit for a change.
Hi Karl ! First, thanks for the sub. No, I wouldn't. The A15 can be had for $999 versus $1300 here, and you get a larger 90wh battery. The screen is better on this for sure but at the moment I am only able to get Freesync working by adding it as an extension in CRU..AMD is looking into it for me. I just ran the battery test and got 4hrs 20 mins with the 51wh battery and smartshift isn't doing anything there according to their chart. It is more active during gaming though, but the temperatures are really high. I have seen 109 when I activate High performance mode. The wattage shown is actually a combo of the dGPU and CPU, so that mode pushes 115w system power. The 4800h max power limit is 63w, but in gaming it should be abut 30w with say 85w for the GPU, but its struggling to cool that. The speakers are OK, probably a bit better than the TUF but the cooling on the TUF is better and that bigger battery with cheaper price wins it for me. I have done quite a few videos on the TUF A15.
Thanks for this. Do you think that 80-90 degree c is normal for gaming laptops now ? I have a G14 based on your videos. But I still feel it’s like running away heat and is uncomfortable to the touch and smells of burning when really hot. This can’t last long?
Its seems that way Kyle. I'm thinking as they make smaller dies and put in more cores the heat is more concentrated than before. There is a thread on reddit that shows you how to tweak the registry and give a new, lower power, mode. Have you looked into that ?
OWNorDisown I have. It helped right away after changing registry and windows power settings. I have not tried to undervolt yet. I tried to use afterburner. But it only lets me lower the gpu clock speed but in the ASUS utility it still seems to boost higher. I’m considering upgrading to a gs66 for a 2070 and 240hz screen but I heard the thermals is worse and it’s more noisy
Do you know how long this laptop last while just typing text in software such as "Word"? I'm planning to also undervolt to make sure it last as long as possible, sadly, the 68whr battery isn't available to me.
@@OWNORDISOWN Oh thanks! Does that mean that it can last 7-8 hours for just typing test without wifi on and low brightness? So the battery management is very good for a gaming laptop right?
hello 👋, did you see dell’s new g3 and g5 with intel 10th gen. cpus ? they are all in the same price range as the g5 se and they all look like they are similar in performance, they really confused me , I don’t know which one to choose.
Thanks mate. I've done all those tests and the video will be up soon.
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That´s the GPU wattage you are looking at, not the CPU or a combined value, given the AMD tech that lets it fluctuate between what is being most used. If I didn't read the screen wrong at the end there was a 25 to 35 w value being shown and THAT was the actual CPU wattage.
I have been speaking to AMD. The 5600m should pull 90 to 100w and the 4800h 54w with smart shift. Cinebench R20 is a CPU only test and the sensor picked up 60w, the same sensor picked up 115w in gaming. Even AMD didnt know why that is. Their engineers will be helping me get to the bottom of it and I will update with more information.
Heres a tip to save some money on it: Buy the 256GB version, and then you can find a 2TB SSD for less than the 1 TB Co figuration, so you can just pop that into the extra ssd slot. This won't give you a 144hz panel but at the same time the frames don't really seem to go above 100 so I don't think it's a huge loss.
@@OWNORDISOWN Glad to hear it. I pre-ordered that exact spec. I was afraid that after seeing the G5 SE in action, I'd end up with buyer's remorse 😅 Your videos on the A15 and 4800H played a huge part in my decision-making 😊 keep up the excellent work! Love your content, especially the comparison vids. 👍🏻
Received this laptop recently as well- I noticed when benchmarking there is a set of "Dell EC" sensors that show CPU and GPU temps a significant amount lower than the other sensors (though still a bit hot.) These are also the sensors that the Alienware Control Panel pull from. It could be that dynamic offsets are required to get a more accurate reading (as has been the case with some previous AMD processors). Would be good to show both sets of sensors and their outputs for comparison or maybe get an official statement if possible.
@@Nintendoboy888 Yeah it's a nice machine other than the thermals and concern for the long term durability of the hinge. I'll be looking to improve the thermals myself and will likely keep it.
Good review, aweful cpu temp. Isn't afterburner reporting wrong? Gpu powerdraw 115W and cpu 30Wish? A ryzen 3700X running 4GHz all core draws way less than 115W, so a 4800H@3.5GHz cant possibly draw over 100W...
Thanks. Smartshift is causing the GPU and CPU watts to be added. I also believe it is causing the high thermals. Play on a monitor and it's in the 70s. Unplug the monitor and it's at 100
Thanks. It did run hot, but did improve as time went by :AMD Smartshift lowering the CPU clock. Here is the review, I show it all: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ugN7mEoQNdg.html
I just got the G5 SE. Temps went up to 90C but not more than that while gaming. I have a couple of questions. Does the ambient room temperature affect the cooling of the laptop? Also, does the air vents location (at the bottom) hamper the cooling? My laptop is hitting close to 80C during normal use. That doesn't seem ideal. Keep up the good work!
Ambient temperature will effect it. My studio is at about 66 to 67 degrees F. What temperature are using ? Are you using the ACC ? If you are which one are you looking at, the one on the CPU Overview or the one on the thermal profiles? Mine are reading two different temperatures...
@@yoman9142 yeah, mine is at 99 degrees. I wonder if I need a repaste. Does it change much in different games? I saw Hothardware had a max fan option that was not linked to the G mode high performance, do you have that? I dont.
@@OWNORDISOWN if there is one, I did not find it. I turned on the G mode performance and the fans went to 100% but I did not see any reduction in temp or increase in fps. Though I've tried this only on FIFA.
@@yoman9142 ah, not a demanding game. I would be interested to hear what you get in a game that pushes the CPU and GPU harder. Shared heat pipes wi mean you CPU will heat up as the GPU gets hotter and your system seems hotter than mine at idol
Are the USB ports on the right side really 3.0? They lack the "SS" mark that the USB port on the left has. I ask because I've read and watched conflicting details. The specs and documentation claim the ports are 2.0, but another reviewer claimed that's a typo and that they're really 3.0. Can you do a speed test with CrystalDiskMark or something similar and find out for sure? I don't want to believe that a gaming laptop in 2020 would ship with two USB 2.0 ports. Temperature issues aside (hoping that'll be resolved soon), I'm actually optimistic about this laptop. Finally, an AMD laptop with respectable screen quality, plus an option to have 2 M2 slots and an HDD, and no soldered RAM.
@@OWNORDISOWN 5500M has a TDP of 85W, so it is likely that the 5600M has a TDP of 115W. I think the power got swapped. 9:24 How can 5600M push that many fps at 30W?
Dell really needs to add more heatsink pipes. 3 heatsink pipes is not going to cut it. Asus laptops have 5 heatsink pipes and MSI laptops have 7 heatsink pipes. Wouldn't be surprised if that was part of the issue of the hot temperatures since there is not enough cooling provided for the CPU and GPU. There should be extra heatsinks on the GPU.
