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How I got EPIC oven spring on my FIRST bake with a BRAND-NEW sourdough starter Ep. 2 

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In this second beginner's episode, I'll show you how to bake an amazing sourdough loaf with great oven spring using your brand-new sourdough starter.
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@krpkensrandompodcast
@krpkensrandompodcast Месяц назад
Great video Philip! I'm glad you stress the protein percentage after you say "strong bread flour". I can imagine a first time baker going bonkers try to find a bag labeled "STRONG BREAD FLOUR". It's like someone looking for the ANY key on a keyboard after IT tells them to hit "any" key!
@krpkensrandompodcast
@krpkensrandompodcast Месяц назад
I've tried downloading the calculator but I go from inputting first name and email, checking my email to confirm and then when I try to get the calculator in starts the cycle again! Trapped!
@andytunnah7650
@andytunnah7650 17 дней назад
Thanks for all your help during this. I started this out because I enjoyed bread and was trying to "master" it, but so much was about sourdough, however I was sure I didn't like sourdough as I tried it once years ago. But with so many recipes, so many people liking it, maybe there was something off with what I tried. Nope. It's vile. I can't believe anyone would want bread with that taste in it. It's the antithesis of bread, the freshness, the warmth, the complimentary softness that is a vehicle for so many flavours. Sourdough just..ergh. It made me think of all that weird fermented fish stuff and just weirdly gross flavours of things. At least now I know though, and can take the things I learned and just transplant em into my yeasted bread. Getting a banneton seems to be the last step of my journey as the loaf I made came out great, I was using a silicone one previously and it was utter shite Anywho enough waffling. Thanks for your help, a lot of your info is helpful because I like slowly risen yeasted bread, so I'll just swap out levain for poolish and a small bit of yeast!
@alexeast6111
@alexeast6111 Месяц назад
Followed this recipe and super happy with the results. Thank you
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
Awesome! I'll be sharing some more beginner recipes very soon. The next one in the series will be a waste not want not sandwich loaf, using up the discard that was generated by creating the starter.
@alexeast6111
@alexeast6111 Месяц назад
Can’t wait
@thomasroberts6008
@thomasroberts6008 Месяц назад
Good looking loaf, especially for the hydration! I think all the tension you built and having a good active starter go a long way in that spring
@bobby350z
@bobby350z Месяц назад
Personally I don't think there is any bullet proof recipe unless you can really control room temp, humidity etc on top of using the same good brand of dough once you have nail your recipe.
@greganikin7003
@greganikin7003 Месяц назад
Not really. You have to know tour flour and to know what to look for. That’s it. I’ve been using the same recipe for 4 years and get the same results every time. Same everything but some times i add some new ingredients just to make it taste different.
@bobby350z
@bobby350z Месяц назад
@@greganikin7003 - so no diff in rise times with room being at 40 im winter vs 90 plus in summer? Hard to believe unless you use temp controlled chamber.
@delfine7163
@delfine7163 Месяц назад
Room temperature is clearly a very Important factor.
@danlong6311
@danlong6311 Месяц назад
Thanks for this series I made the mistakes you said trying my first loaf about a month ago. Too eager to bake ! I then found this series and my starter is now 14 days old and looking great, im going to continue feeding like you recommend. The hardest part for me living in an old Scottish stone house is getting a high enough room temp. Now we’ve had sun for a week it’s really helped 😂. Looking forward to the results of my first proper loaf in a couple of weeks Thanks again for sharing your knowledge
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
It takes a while for the starters to get going. If you follow the instructions you shouldn't have any issues. I LOVE Scotland!!! I spent a fair bit of time on the West coast in Glencoe, it's one of my favourite places on the planet! You could create a DIY chamber for next to nothing. A cool box with a good old fashioned hot water bottle will work wonders. (just make sure the starter/dough container doesn't get too close to the bottle). You can control the temperature by mixing cold water with boiling water from the kettle. I'd suggest getting yourself a little thermometer to monitor what's going on. I saw the biggest improvements in my baking when I removed temperature from the equation. Happy baking and keep me posted :)
@delfine7163
@delfine7163 Месяц назад
Living in an ancient house so I have trouble getting sufficiently warm temperatures too!😂
@meysam9
@meysam9 Месяц назад
Delicious and good recipe I'm your new subscribe 😊😊
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
Awesome, stay tuned :)
@Potato-li5cx
@Potato-li5cx 10 дней назад
What do you think about Milk kefir starter? I was thinking of making some, but I am worried about botulism or the milk going bad.
@nickfitzpatrick381
@nickfitzpatrick381 Месяц назад
Love your work. What kind of oven stones do you use or recommend for baking?
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
You can use a baking pan or a dutch oven if you are only going to be baking one loaf at a go. I use a lava rock baking stone (cut from Mt Etna) most of the time because it gives me the flexibility to bake multiple loaves if I want. I had it cut to the dimensions of my oven shelf to maximise the baking surface. It's 20mm think so it retains the heat well. There also no heavy lifting as my stone lives in the oven. If I'm baking one loaf I tend to use a large lightweight enamel pot to cover the dough. If I'm baking multiple loaves I use a steamer pod instead of the pot. Hope this helps. Phil
@susand.m3894
@susand.m3894 Месяц назад
Hi Phil , the weather has changed in the Caribbean and it’s very humid! I am having a lot of problems creating a reasonable sourdough bread . Can you tell what is the problem? I am still using the box cooler with a thermometer but I’m getting a heavy sourdough bread. Help!
@jenvanderweide1047
@jenvanderweide1047 Месяц назад
Do I alter the ratio of flour to water when the flour is 10 protein?
@mecnac
@mecnac Месяц назад
My bulk fermentation ends around 4.5 - 5 hours at 25C. You did 8 hours of bulk and perfect crumb. I quess thats because of low hydration and no whole wheat added to mixture
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
The bulk fermentation was six hours and the dough was left to proof at ambient temperature in the basket for two hours before going into the fridge for a cold retard. BF times vary depending on many factors, but the flour/flour blend, hydration and temperature play a big part.
@lisaoverson5434
@lisaoverson5434 Месяц назад
What do you do with the jar of discard? Do you have a video on that? Thanks
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
I'm going to show you how to make an amazing sandwich loaf with the discard. That will be in the fourth video of this series. The next video (3) will show you how to transition your starter to a discard-free maintenance program. Stay tuned :)
@stevenelson6895
@stevenelson6895 Месяц назад
Hi Phillip, so good to find a UK teacher on here showing off some epic skills. I tried to sign up for the course but sadly it’s closed for now, do you know when or if registration will re open ? In the meantime is there anywhere I can get the Magnus calculator prior to the course re opening? Keep up the great work. Steve
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
Hey Steve, can you drop me an email using the address on the website and I'll let you know the details for Sourdough Unchained (the course/community) and I'll give you all the details you need for Magnus. Looking forward to touching base.
@stevenelson6895
@stevenelson6895 Месяц назад
@@CulinaryExploration done 👍
@lauraduran_live
@lauraduran_live Месяц назад
Hi! I see in every method I see not to add the salt to the autolysis phase. Have you seen any differences?
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
Hey Laura, I always dissolve the salt into the water before mixing. The salt doesn't interfere with the fermentation and I manage to get great spring and crumb structure. You should try a comparison and see which you prefer. Have you tried adding the salt to the water before mixing?
@lisaairey6010
@lisaairey6010 25 дней назад
Ok. So, after I create the bread dough, rest 30 min, kneed lightly and let rest 1 hr, I stretch out, do the folds, shape into bowl and LET REST SIX HRS at room temp before shaping into a banneton and proofing overnight. Do I have that right????
@wdjones4735
@wdjones4735 Месяц назад
So no bulk fermentation on this recipe? Can you use this method with mature starter? I’m always intrigued with the new things you come up with! Thank you for sharing👍🏻
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
Hey there! There is a bulk fermentation in this method. It spans from when the dough is mixed to when it is shaped and popped into the basket. This formula will work perfectly with a mature starter. You'll get great results :)
@wdjones4735
@wdjones4735 Месяц назад
@@CulinaryExploration So 30 mins, 1 hour, laminate another hour, shape, 2 hours in the basket and retard overnight?
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
@@wdjones4735 The dough was mixed, rested for 30m, quickly kneaded, rested for an hour, and laminated. The dough is then left to complete the BF properly. Then it's shaped, proofed at room temp and then retarded in the fridge overnight.
@wdjones4735
@wdjones4735 Месяц назад
Thanks Phil! I’m doing a bread workshop with my sister-in-law today. We are going to try this method🙂
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
@@wdjones4735 Give it a whirl, Whitney, I think you'll both like it! Keep me posted :)
@JenniferCase-qf4yi
@JenniferCase-qf4yi Месяц назад
Can you please share what brand of flour you used for this recipe?
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
I use Robin Hood all purpose flour. While it's labelled as all purpose it has a protein content of 13% making it nice and strong. It also produces a great loaf. Protein content is a good indicator as to the strength of the flour but you don't really know how the flour will behave until you use it to feed your starter and/or bake with it. Don't be afraid to test different flour to see what works best for you. If you are a beginner I'd suggest sticking with strong (protein content upward of 12%) white bread flour until you've got to grips with the process. Then it's time to have some fun and experiment with wholewheat flour and different grains. Happy baking 😀🍞
@yabjiyabji5789
@yabjiyabji5789 Месяц назад
Should I follow the amount of water you've used if the humidity lvl in my loc is 60-80 or should I use less water?
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
Follow the recipe as it is and then make adjustments based on the results if necessary. This recipe is 65% hydration so I don't think you'll have nay issues. Keep me posted.
@yabjiyabji5789
@yabjiyabji5789 Месяц назад
I will and I really appreciate your response..just gathering my equipment, I don't have a dutch oven and looking for that kind of pot like what you've used..is that a stainless or what kind of pot should I look for😅
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
@@yabjiyabji5789 I use the pot along with a good quality baking stone that retains a lot of heat. I've found this combination to work well. The pot is enamel and came free with my oven so unfortunately I don't have a link. But I can tell you that it measures 15cm deep, 28cm wide x 38cm long.
@atinaanieva43
@atinaanieva43 Месяц назад
I really need your advice, it doesn’t open very well for me (out of 4 attempts it opened only once like yours, everything seems to be the same for me Thank you
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
* I've answered your question on your other comment on this post :)
@danielnichols3594
@danielnichols3594 Месяц назад
Awesome-looking crumb structure. I don't know if you baked this one w/ 100% strong white bread flour. My go-to loaf always has 10% whole wheat, 5% dark rye flour. My crumbs are never that open. I'm still using your pate fermentee 'levain' method and it's really cut down on the amount of discard I generate. I'm glad to see you're putting out some new videos. And, BTW, I just figured out what "I See Bread People" means. I'm guess I'm a bit slow this morning (in USA). More coffee needed. LOL.
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
Hey Daniel, this was baked with 100% strong white bread flour. I think it's easy for beginners, especially on the first loaf. I'm pleased you are enjoying the pate ferment method. It's super simple once you get going. Did you find that the pate ferment took a while to find a rhythm?
@danielnichols3594
@danielnichols3594 Месяц назад
@@CulinaryExploration As long as I bake at least every 2 weeks or so and sometimes up the feeding, I’ve had good results. Much easier than preparing a levain. I need to play around with/ my flour combinations to see if I can get a better crumb structure.
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
@@danielnichols3594 Keep me posted!
@cristianbalan9187
@cristianbalan9187 Месяц назад
64% hydration? must be different flour, because if i do 64% , my dough its so hard and loaf crust its so thick
@ginnidiaz861
@ginnidiaz861 Месяц назад
Can you comment on baking at altitude (6000')?
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
Not with any confidence, I haven't had any hands-on experience baking at altitude. I hope to organise a trip soon to put some ideas into practice, so stay tuned :)
@AnishaGirach-tl3cx
@AnishaGirach-tl3cx 10 дней назад
Why does my bread in when cooking in the oven not cook evenly? It’s always doughy near the bottom so heartbreaking
@marinaisaeva4024
@marinaisaeva4024 Месяц назад
Sending you many thanks, from mountains of Colorado! Living in high altitude, 9800 miles above see level, I will be so grateful, if you can make video of your vision and tips, baking in this area.❤ Keep you amazing work!
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
Sending a big wave over to Colorado! 👋 Please tell me you're not really 9800 miles above sea level ;) - I've not had the chance to bake at altitude but it's on my baking bucket list so stay tuned!
@marinaisaeva4024
@marinaisaeva4024 Месяц назад
Ooo yes I am, 9800ml above! It is beautiful small town named Frisco, wild nature just out of your door, you can’t beat it, if you like mountains, snow and have dogs! Come visit! ❤
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
@@marinaisaeva4024 That sounds like my cup of tea! You can't beat the great outdoors.
@sarahdavis1198
@sarahdavis1198 Месяц назад
Strong Bread Flour is not really a thing here in New Zealand, they use High Grade which isn't really strong enough IMHO therefore I make my own from plain flour (10.3% protein) and add 5g of gluten per 100g of plain flour (it's actually called Bakers Flour from the cash n carry I buy it from). UK has amazing strong bread flours although I realise you are in Hellas (opa)! Efharisto poli, have been following you for a while now and making great sourdough.
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
Sending a big hello over to NZ (my next favourite country after Greece!). It sounds like you are doing well. You need to be able to work with what you can get. If adding vital wheat gluten works for you, then stick with it. Don't rule out softer AP flour. I use one here that has a protein content of 10% and it works well with lower hydrations.
@sarahdavis1198
@sarahdavis1198 Месяц назад
@@CulinaryExploration OK I will think about using it then and make some notes in my book!! Actually my local poncy bakery use the same flour as me as I have seen the sacks stacked up in their shop, however I don't know whether they add anything to it to make their breads etc but they are quite costly (the products), which is understandable as they have overheads, however their Sourdough didn't have a sour taste at all and I think for $9 (5 Euros) my homemade one was better. I did actually make sourdough soft dinner rolls using AP flour and I must admit they were good.
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
@@sarahdavis1198 With a bit of practice and time I think it's possible to beat the loaves we can find at an artisan bakery. For a start, we can tweak the ingredients to suit our tastes. I love using AP flour for dinner rolls, they turn out super soft! Happy baking and keep me posted!
@sarahdavis1198
@sarahdavis1198 Месяц назад
@@CulinaryExploration Well I took your advice and used AP flour to make sourdough dinner rolls and they were pretty damn good ie nice and soft - Νόστιμο - cheers!
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
@@sarahdavis1198 Bravo! I'm pleased you enjoyed them :)
@lisaairey6010
@lisaairey6010 Месяц назад
Do you use the 9 or 10 inch banneton?
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
I use these baskets: www.culinaryexploration.eu/proofing-baskets-bread-tins - (Dimensions: 24cm x 15cm x 8cm)
@DrRockower
@DrRockower Месяц назад
@@CulinaryExploration For those of us on this side of the pond, 24cm=9.45inches. Not sure if that qualifies as 9" or 10"!!! Although it round down to 9
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
@@DrRockower To be honest there is a variance between all of my baskets. No two are exactly the same. As long as you are in the ballpark the recipe should be fine. You can always use a dough/recipe calculator to tweak the dough weight to suit.
@RebeccaC2024
@RebeccaC2024 Месяц назад
I am using king Arthur brad flour and with the ratios my dough is so sticky I can not kneed it at all. 😢
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
@@RebeccaC2024 Hey Rebecca, I'd suggest double-checking you've got the recipe spot on and baking again. Several of our Sourdough Unchained members use King Arthur bread flour with great results. The hydration of this recipe is 65% which should be well in the range for the King Arthur bread flour. Failing that you can try to reduce the water a little (you can use my calculator available on the website - www.culinaryexploration.eu). You can always drop me an email if you want any pointers. Phil
@adriangrzymski3847
@adriangrzymski3847 Месяц назад
What's the point of covering the dough in the oven? Why not just heat the DO and then the dough in it? Would'nt it yield better results?
@marcotronic
@marcotronic Месяц назад
Without the cover the skin of the dough will get hard within minutes and the dough has no chance to expand/rise. If you don‘t cover it you have to use steam to prevent it from getting hard. I did the mistake of not covering my very first dough in the oven and the result was so disappointing.
@adriangrzymski3847
@adriangrzymski3847 Месяц назад
@@marcotronic I understand. But why not use dutch oven all together then.
@marcotronic
@marcotronic Месяц назад
@@adriangrzymski3847 good question :) I'm using "the Brovn" - a dutch oven with a glas top. Awesome but expensive.
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
You can use a dutch oven if you prefer. I've used the challenger pan and budget Amazon DO with great success. But I prefer using a baking stone with a lightweight cloche. The stone produces an awesome crust on the bottom of the loaf and I can bake bigger loaves that wouldn't fit in either DO.
@markskibo5159
@markskibo5159 Месяц назад
I don't get it !!! I have been trying to bake sourdough for 15 years , I still cannot get a consistent loaf !!! So you are saying a starter that has been fed daily for 30 days is better than one fed weekly, even though it triples in volume ?
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
Hey Mark, I think it's best to feed your starter daily when you first create it. Once it's nice and strong you can switch to a low-maintenance method by leaving the starter in the fridge between baking sessions (coming in the next vid). If your starter is tripling I doubt you've got any issues with the strength. Have you tried a simple formula like this?
@atinaanieva43
@atinaanieva43 Месяц назад
I really need your advice, it doesn’t open very well for me (out of 4 attempts it opened only once like yours, everything seems to be the same for me Thank you
@CulinaryExploration
@CulinaryExploration Месяц назад
Hey there. It's really good news if one of your loaves sprung and opened up like mine. That means your starter is strong enough to fuel the fermentation and you managed to judge the fermentation process well. Now it's time to build on that success. Make sure you track the method every time you bake. Note down the temperature of your kitchen, how long you left the dough to bulk ferment for, how long the ambient proof in the basket took, how long you cold retarded the dough for, the oven setup, baking temperature and duration. This way you'll be able to compare the process for the loaves that worked against the ones that didn't and tweak the process. Unfortunately I can't tell what went wrong without understanding the process you used but I hope you follow my advice and start tracing your progress. You can also sign up to my email community by downloading the sourdough calculator linked in the description. I share instructions on baking sourdough and my experiences trying new recipes and methods. All my best, Phil
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