This shouldn't be a procedure at all, turbinates are not meant to be messed with they tell the brain that you're sleeping and humidify the nose. ENS is also a possibility as many here.have stated as well.
To treat my OSA, I had this procedure done earlier today, and I can tell you it's not really pleasant. But the doctor was so nice to keep my calm all through out the procedure. Overall, the procedure lasted about an hour because the doctor had to make sure I was not bleeding before letting me go. The discomfort (or pain for me) was really when the doctor inserted those cotton strips inside my nasal cavity to absorb the blood that's bursting inside my nasal wall. Anyway, I feel really good now that I can breathe more clearly. The doctor set my expectations that it could congest for a few days as the cavities become swollen. But I'm really looking forward to having a clear breathing moving forward. Next stop: Tonsillectomy. Wish me luck! 😊
honestly, as if nothing happened. I did not see any improvement whatsoever. I feel like the doctor and his team were just after my health card insurance. But this same doctor also did my tonsillectomy which was a relief since my OSA has improved a lot (in a good way). But the turbinoplasty for me was not that effective. All that pain I had to go through was for nothing. haha. @@kiky.mp4
@@juanpisld2224 get yourself scheduled for surgery asap. In the meantime, in those instances when it's really unbearable, you can use afrin or a similar spray. The more you can resist and avoid its usage, the better, since over time it will worsen the swelling. I try to use it max 3/4 nights in a row, then a pause of at least 7-10 days
@@GABRIX98 oh I understand, do you know what type of technique they are going to use? Because I heard some are most probable to cause ENS and others don’t, but honestly I just want the least invasive technique and just let it be, because I also can’t stand having a blocked nose every night to sleep. And yeah using nasal spray for the rest of my life is also a big no as well so…
Had my Septoplasty and Turbinate reduction done yesterday.. I have no pain and slight swelling. The worst part has been the stuffiness and cleaning up the discharge.(like you have with a sinus infection) I have the splints in, no discomfort or pain..Today I feel fine, still dripping a little.. For the best success and lowest risk of ENS/exterior membrane damage to the Turbinates have the microdebrider procedure done, the cauterize/radiowave methods have a history of issues (have a complete understanding of each method)...I don't regret having it done..Do your research on the Surgeon and the way they reduce the Turbinates and you'll have success ..:)
Vivear destroyed my sinus!! Don't do it!! My doctor used them on my swollen turbinates!!! And after two years I needed surgery and he couldn't do much because of all the scar tissue Vivear did!! Totally destroyed me!! And I can't do anything but not suffer!!
The worst part is that Ents will gaslight injured patients and continue to believe their own lies. Most have no idea how important the nose is beyond smell.
@@timcepin3386I still have swollen turbinates, can't breathe... especially at night, I try not to use afrin ..but I do when I just can't take it anymore and need to sleep...I got a my purmist which helps with the dryness and pain, it helps somewhat with sleeping.. i went to another ENT and he wants to do surgery, and i don't know if i want to do that or not... So I cancelled my appointment.
He didnt mentions the risks of empty nose syndrome with any turbinate reduction method..and i know for a fact he knows about the ens risks.its essential to know about ens risks because ens causes immense constant suffering.i know because i have it.
Paul Orekhov I think patients should have the right to know all the risks of surgery. Did you know the risk of contracting hiv is one in a two hundred if the person is hiv positive? The question is: would you risk it?
Paul Orekhov could not agree more. Reading too much about it will convince you that you have one because really I don’t get the symptoms as well. Nasel abstraction and feeling nose wide open. Can’t sense air but feel they breath too much. It seems that people do have certain degree of it and all say ENS. It is real though and can happen when they take too much of turbinate. They also can regrow by getting too much allergies. Having too much nasel spray can get you ENS because it destroys the turbinate like killing it. Also I am a big huge believer everything in the body can heal it self as long as you give it blood and oxygen. Bone regrow, skin fix itself, hair grows, liver also grow. Even if something happens your body can heal it self by having a great mindset. There are people around the world who lost their nose completely they are happy disabled they know but happy.
@@evilspirit724 i suffered awfull ens symptoms the day after my inferior turbinate reduction and septoplasty i didnt know anything about emptynosesyndrome untill about 2 or 3 years after .so your comment dosnt apply to me then.
It's sad that even after decades of patients globally demanding justice, only a few drs will have the fortitude to say that even conservative turbinate procedures can cause permanent injury to an essential organ. What a backwards way to think that disturbing a complex organ solely because it becomes inflamed is marketed to overly confiding patients. What is even more disturbing is how patients are heavily screened physically & mentally prior to surgery, then when a negative outcome occurs they are gaslit and coerced into thinking that it is "psychological". Sociopathic behavior would best describe this lack of accountability from Drs that continue to ignore the countless amount of people harmed by these unscientific procedures.
i got Empty nose syndrome and severe nasal nerve pain from this exact method!!!! from RAVOR CURIS radiofrequency to turbinates and septoplasty and fess THE ENT SAID IT WAS TOTALLY SAFE. Now ents cant help me at all. There are 1000s of people I know with empty nose syndrome And many more i dont know. Be very careful
Hey, I've read some recent medical publications that have found ways to successfully reduce the problems of patients with ENS by putting in an artificial turbinate. Might want to look into it as there may be help on the way!
I have read that using creams to make your tissue swell can help some, it fills in the area more and allows for better airflow, worth a shot. Also moving to a very humid climate.
i got Empty nose syndrome and severe nasal nerve pain from this exact method!!!! from RAVOR CURIS radiofrequency to turbinates and septoplasty. THE ENT SAID IT WAS TOTALLY SAFE.
This is the second video under which I see this exact same comment from you. LOL. The other video was cold knife technique and you stated the same. Wtf man? Do you maybe have Munchausen's syndrome?
@@trendyphilippines155 these ENS commenters never seen to respond to followup questions. Which means they don't seem to actually care about helping the people they're claiming to want to make aware of ENS. I don't know what their purpose is, but it doesn't seem pure to me... atleast as of right now...
I had the radio frequency turbinate reduction procedure done about 10yrs ago. No ENS but it also did NOTHING to resolve my chronic congestion. afrin works wonders which means the problem is swollen sinus tissue and not a bony obstruction. I should have done the micro debrider method.
Any surgical method no matter how less invasive can cause serious long-term injury. 99% of turbinate reductions are due to inflammation. This is not a life threatening reason for surgery. Treat the cause. Don't fall for this scam procedure that can lead to severe injuries.
@@KhalKhtri That's the tricky part. I have had nasal obstruction since i was a kid. I used various antibiotics, antihistamines and steroid sprays. I got allergy blood tests. I used saline rinses. CT scan showed no sinusitis. I still can't find any reason.
Okay, I am going to copy and paste this - I would say a positive comment - to a couple of related videos the same as others are copy-pasting the comments about ENS as I feel like only negative stories are being spread. Before my radio-frequency inferior turbinate reduction, I was freaking out about it because I would read all the negative comments about the ENS and how these people are suicidal. Well, I was aware of this risk, but still, I went through this, because the blockage of my nose, especially the left nostril, was so bad, that I had headaches, dry eyes, could not have a good night's sleep..., basically I had constantly less energy and did not use my full physical and psychical potential. Yes, it can affect your life tremendously when you are not able to breathe freely for a long time. Anyways, before the surgery, I visited more doctors to have more information about the risks and potential ENS and they said that they could not disprove this, but they also said that in my case the risk was minimal as I would have only local anesthesia and the least invading technique. So here I am writing this comment, I am exactly one day after the inferior turbinate reduction done with the radiofrequency method, in the end, only the left nostril as my right side was okay. The procedure was not comfortable but for me less painful than visiting a dentist. I felt pressure, vibration, resonance, and heat, but it was manageable. After I got home, I removed the nose tampon from the left nostril and I knew right away that I was breathing through, but I did not feel the air going through the left nostril because it was still anesthetized from the tampon. There was a bit of blood, mucous, but after about the next two hours, I realized how much-left nose was blocked. I was finally breathing and I felt it, the air and you cannot imagine such relief. The nostril is still pretty sensitive though, so you must listen to what the doctor says, like no much blowing your nose for first days, no extreme temperature changes (no hot shower...), no high physical activity the first week, etc. This is my experience. It ended up well and I want to encourage you, that if you suffer a lot, it is probably worth taking the risk. My advice: before your surgery, make sure the doctor is experienced with this and talk to him about the complications he had experience with other patients. Talk to him that you would like to have the least invading method performed to minimize the risks. And those who are interested, the RF machine used for my surgery was The CURIS® 4 MHz radiofrequency generator, you can google it if you want. Wish you good health and a lot of strength to the individuals whose surgery did not end up as expected.
@@jurajland Glad you’re feeling well , i need this turbinate reduction surgery my brain is constantly fatigued by lack of oxygen, these ENS comments are scary but im already in a bad shape , i’ll take the risk .
Very true, turbinates are heavily disregarded and not given the respect amongst ENTs/medical professionals. They are not taught completely how intricate and important these organs are to the nervous system, respiratory health, and other organ systems that are impacted once something goes wrong. It could happen with even the most "safest" method. Post surgical turbinate injury can happen with even the most seasoned ENT. Don't fall for the lies, marketing scare tactics, and delusional testimonials.
Find the root cause of your symptoms. Do everything possible to avoid these types of surgeries. They are not science based and marketed to patients who typically have no clue how important turbinates are to the respiratory system and nervous system. Ents are not taught about the severe long term damages that can be caused from such unnecessary surgeries.
There are various types of turbinate reduction surgeries but the one you discussed here in a very simple language is by far the best method in my opinion too coz its easy and don't require high degree of surgical skill . Thanks for your valuable Otolaryngology videos for guys like us practicing in this field.👍👍
Turbinate reduction by any method can cause empty nose syndrome and its an awfull condition to suffer 24/7.it changes your life for the worsed .ents know about ens but most dont mention ens as a risk on these utube videos or tell you when you meet them in person.even if its a conservative turbinate reduction.i made the biggest mistake of my life having my inferior turbinates reduced with the bipolar diathermy and smd debrider.i have suffered with ens for 10 years now never had 1 good day without suffering .mines where reduced about 30 % last ent i saw told me this and looks about 30%on my ct scan aswell.the ent in this video is not my surgeon but he knows about ens.but is refusing to mention ens.ens is not rare that is a fact
@@steve_ensSo sorry, I dont know if u believe in God but if doctors haven't done nothing for u God can heal u from that, if u want you can go to Robert Clancy you tube channel he is a Pastor write him an email explain your situation to him he will pray for you. No one needs to suffer like this.
Turbinates should never be touched unless there is something life threatening like a tumor or cancer. They are the first line of defense as far as the respiratory system. Turbinates surface and internally has vital nerves that signal to the brain that you are breathing. Once these nerves and tissues become damaged (even with conservative methods) it is irreversible with severe degenerative health consequences.
@@evelynthai4776 I'm asking that, because when I tilt my chin up and look up my nose, I can see some cartilage, like a little "hill" of flesh taking up half of inside opening of my nasal cavity . So I have only 50 % of airflow compared to the other side. So the outer side of my nose Is slightly convex, like something is raising the area. On the side of my nose that is non blocked, it is concave. So, If I had turbinate surgery on the blocked (convex) side, I would think that raised area would lower and become concave like my normal side.
I had the microdebrider after an ebike rider who ran into my back at high speed while I was walking on the footpath in the UK and he ran away the criminal monster. I had my nasal septa fractured as I fall on my face, fracture of my left hand and right knee along with whiplashII. so I was kept for a long waiting which caused the issue of inferior turbinate hypertrophy and no one of the ENT I saw stated that until I started searching myself. The issue now, I still have them enlarged and its alternating and I cant breathe properly and feel suffocating, one of the ENT suggested another operation stating its another microdebrider though I don't get what this will do will do if the first didn't. I feel no one understands the struggle and the suffering I am going through. My nose and my hand is not the same anymore and who pays the price for this inconsiderate moron unlawful act.
Thank you for making this video. After 3 nasal surgeries, the first was a septoplasty and then a nose reshaping all starting about 3 years ago. After the second reshaping procedure in 2022, nasal congestion was more and more evident in my left nostril nasal passage, and the right was always problem free. My doctor told me the congestion was due to allergies but after test by an allergist, no allergies were found. I can only hope now that my doctor will do a turbinectomy on me. Most Sincerely, Bill M.. in Uncasville, CT
Would be helpful to also include in your video: possible outfracture of turbinate. My MD did not explain this to me prior to procedure and I would have gladly taken the optional Valium mentioned in pre-procedure handout if I had known.
Very interesting and educational watch. I was told by a specialist that I have too much mucus lining at the back of my nose, so I assume this meant the mucus lining covering the turbinates ? He never said anything about the turbinates themselves, but only commented on the excessive lining. Is it possible to have the lining removed ?
just had a turbinate reduction today, thank you for clearing things up!! i was so confused i remember them saying go up to five and i was out, i had no clue!
Hello Mark, Stanford University didn’t find the obstruction that I’m experiencing and the doctor that treated me there wants to resect my turbinates further. Of course I’m not going to let them. Do you think that my obstruction is due to nerve damage by coblation?
@@danbigboss6484 It reduced the turbinates...I need to keep taking steroid as the surgeon said I have rhinitis.. so producing too much mucous. But 70 to 80% better than before I think! I can fall asleep much easier...before my sleep was bad!
The turbinate is a sensor. A sensor that God made and cant be human replicated. If a sensor in your car fails a light goes off. In our head the "light" going off is the symptoms of discomfort. That doesnt mean you just eliminate the sensor! You figure out what is wrong to fix the root of the problem! Edit: in a car you can put in a new sensor. The turbinate is God made you cant just put a new one in. The cardiovascular and nervous systems were designed to work in harmony. The turbinate is part of that! It is the link between them! You dont want to mess with that! Sorry I know your paycheck is in jeapordy but so are people's lives!
Then how can anyone cure their swollen turbinates? I’ve had it for 9 months now since I got covid. I hate to get surgery but I have tried many sprays many medications so surgery is next for me.
@@nancyherrera2792 Exactly, I have been congested on both sides for 9mos now with very little relief. Do all the sprays/pills and the only help is Afrin and Sudafed but we all know they are not perm options. It is easy for people to lecture us all on ENS but we already suffer daily, so what options do we have. I am pondering reducing my turbinates so I can live a better life, poor sleep and work are hard, its exhausting being congested daily.
@Jo A Not sure, obviously swelling is the main cause, maybe they can make a pill or spray that targets this only to eliminate the swelling, without rebound issues. Seems like they could invest more money into it but see this as non important.
