I have had these since I was a kid and I just can’t live like this anymore. I’m 24 and look late 50s with a baby face. It’s a strange look. My face skin is just so loose
Unfortunately these bags run in my family and I am a male in my 40s who suffers. Mine seem to worsen with things like allergies and dust which my current house has lots of. When I leave on holiday, they go down considerably. I’ve found marine/seaweed products (and seaweed) to help. I don’t know why. Naturopathica has a Marine Concentrate that really helps me. There are lots of other seaweed products out there like Eminence and Seaweed Co. Living by the coast, I can also grab some from the beach, lay it under my eye, and notice the bags are much less pronounced. Ive also found they seem to respond to AHA/BHA masks like Drunk Elephant Sakuri. Lastly, I’ve found the Clarisonic brush with the eye massager head helps. It’s basically massaging and strengthening as well as helping move the fluids. I can often feel the fluid increase in post nasal drip so can tell it’s moving something! My understanding is Malar bags are comprised of lots of small sacs where the fluid builds up. This makes it more difficult to drain and, as this great video points out, more prone to collecting heavier creams. It makes me happy when I get away for a week and see how good my face looks with lessened malar bags but sad when I have to return to my home where there is an unknown allergic reaction. I blame that darn construction guy who got so much dust in the house, I still haven’t been able to get rid of it years later! Anyway, I hope some of this may be helpful to someone. It took me a long time to get to this point.
I have the exact same problem, just turned 40. I have a cat and 2 dogs but I'd never be without them (found out I'm mildly allergic to cats). I find a lot of water, moisturising your face and cutting alcohol right down works a bit, but someday I wake up with a really puffy face and look like I've been punched in the face. It really, really bothers me.
What is the exact name of the Naturopathica product you use? I looked up Naturopathica and Marine Concentrate but couldn't find one with that name or similar. Is it a eye product?
So I recently started getting malar bags and I think it might partially be allergies and so I started using Flonase recommended by my ear nose and throat doctor. I also simultaneously stopped using all of the skincare products I was using (which was a lot). So now I’m minimal with the hyaluronic acid and face creams. It’s all seeming to help a lot. I still use my retinol serum and face wash as well as acid exfoliations every couple of days. Of course a mineral sunscreen too! I have felt the pressure to get fillers but don’t think this will make things better, possibly worse if not done by the right person. I’m trying to do things naturally and accept my face for how it is. It’s good to want to take care of ourselves and look our best but it becomes unhealthy when we are competing with perfection. I started to notice things going wrong with my face when I began getting IPL and botox simultaneously I can’t help but sort of feel like they were another reason why this has happened to me. I definitely am thinking twice before getting any beauty procedures and there are so many horror stories I’ve stumbled upon with these procedures so if you are thinking about getting, then just find someone you trust and less is more. Also, I have gone to different professionals for help and advice, a dermatologist and several plastic surgeons and aestheticians all of which did not even know what I was talking about and some recommended fillers in the crease to smooth but they said I didn’t have malar edema, which I for sure do. I did go to an ocular plastic surgeon who said they will get worse as I age and he said micro needling with radio frequency could help but radio frequency can melt face fat and cause volume loss. So that’s a big No! He said we could do filler but it might make it worse. He said I should just live with it and I’m sort of thinking he is right because they are so hard to treat. I may try an eye doctor next or get an allergy test to see what I’m allergic to. I looked into loosening up the muscle with a cannula to release the muscle and soften the malar crease, it’s called (subcision) and that’s a little scary but something to look into. Seriously though I’m seeing a difference just by Flonase for the drip in my nose and throat and everything in face is connected so possibly fluid building up in eyes from my allergies. And then not so much face cream. So my advice is try the least harmful treatment first. Hope this helps someone 💖
Thankyou for that brilliant summary of all you've done! And the things that you haven't done, even more important. Giving up cosmetics around my eyes & moving my face around to get the circulation really made a difference to me. Also sleeping on my back which released the pressure on my face. I do so appreciate the trouble you've gone too and the sensible things that you've shared. All the best, Shula xx
Hello are you still using the Flonase ? can you tell me which products exact you use as there are a few different ones. It's interesting as have sinus issues and also allergies. My eye bags seem to be very fluid filled but they don't come and go. I noticed when I had a massage and was laying face down that my eye bags really filled up though! and also my nose got so stuffed up. It makes me think there is a strong connection. Do you find the Flonase actually stops fluid from building up? and that fluid may be also filling up the eye bags? I do feel that if we get to the root of this issue that is where the magic will happen.
Exactly!!! It’s those bags that I hate so much, Shula!!! I’m 45 and have them so bad... I haaaate them!!! BTW, your skin is magnificent!! Beautiful Chamudah!
Thankyou so much!! Please don't have yourself or the bags!! If mine ever come back I hide them with glasses, which cut right across them. Also please try alternate strong winking, because what we need to do is keep the circulation going in our faces :) hope this helps Yael!
I got my Malar bags 2 years ago straight after having nose surgery. I think mine are filled with fluid retention and some blood. I am tempted to have wet cupping done on them which I can perform myself. If it works I will let you know
Thankyou very much! I've read your hints for engaging with social media & I really admire & learn from what you say. Thankyou too for your support. Shula x
These deep set dents on my cheeks are definetly genetic. I've had them since i am like 5- 6 years old. Back then they looked cute.. but now i'm 36 and they've gotren very very deep and pronounced. :( they make me look older and i just started wearing glasses becuase i am too self concious and the glasses camouflage them. :( please if anyone has tried something that really works let me know
Any help im 16 and I have malar bags/festoons and It's really affecting my self esteem and nothing really seems to work obviously I haven't tried any surgical or non surgical treatments lasers etc because of my age but any help would be greatly appreaciated.
Hi so I’ve had Malar bags basically my whole life I’m pretty certain they are genetic. I started using Trentioin 0.5% concentration for my acne. And it’s working very well for that but I was wondering since it’s a cream if it could build up in my Malar bag and under eye area like you were talking about. Also I don’t know if you genuinely think any facial exercises or rose water will help with mine since I’ve had them Since I was like 8. I’m 18 now.
Hi!! I agree with you. These deep set dents on my cheeks are definetly genetic. I've had them since i am like 5- 6 years old. Back then they looked cute.. but now i'm 36 and they've goten very very deep and pronounced. :( they make me look older and i just started wearing glasses because i am too self concious and the glasses camouflage them. Did tretinoin help? I'm willing to try it all
Incredible....mine have just appeared so big and so heavy and I didn't know what had caused it...then I listened to you...I have been heavily using eye cream for the last two months....got my answer...I will follow your guidance with precision...thank you so much...Jane North Wales UK.....
Dear Jane - Thank you so much for letting me know. Im really glad that this made a difference. Sometimes I let my guard slip and let some of the oil I use to cleanse my face near my eyes - just because it feels nice. Then I don't wipe it off sufficiently. Whoops - I wake up with saggy bits in the eye area. Definitely do not to do it. When this happens by the way I screw my eyes up and blink very fast and wriggle my face around to get the lymph flowing. The saggy bits go quite quickly. X Shula
After trying your tips and tricks (and throwing away my expensive eye creams 😤 ) this had NO effect whatsoever...if anything they are worse....perhaps we should only follow professional advice 😕
@@janerochfort2134 Hi Jane so sorry to hear that! My advice is what works best for me and has done for a long time after trying a lot of products. I give advice in the hope that people also find what works best for themselves, whether that's expensive eye creams or no eye creams at all :)
I read all ur kind replies to viewers so nicely explained U r such nice human being God bless u 🙏🏼🙏🏼👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Mam i have worse puffy eyes i being vry sad all the time about my puffy eyes 😪😪😢 I could not go for surgery so Plzz give ur precious suggestion for my worse puffy eyes. How it get ride,/ what can i apply on oil or cream .tell me something effective tricks or remedies
Dear Bharti Im sorry I have taken so long to reply. I'm not always sure how to log in and my colleague Hanna shows me patiently ( again) anyway now we can talk together and I hope I can say some things to help you understand what's happened. There are certain things which make puffy eyes worse in my experience. (1) Please don't mess about with them. The skin around the eyes is the most delicate. I have been told by eye surgeons that it can actually absorb creams and oils. These will puff the skin under the eyes. So try to give them up for a bit. Other things which help, which you may be able to do Bharti - (2) avoid salty or spicy meals late at night. They can hold water in the body and make puffy eyes worse.(3) If possible for you try to sleep for as long as you can. When you are tired it makes bags look worse. I know this maybe difficult if you work hard and dont get too much time for sleep. (4) If you cant sleep for long a good tip is to try and learn to sleep on your back only. I do this and have actually patented a back sleep system to help people who want to learn. If you sleep on your back you are not putting pressure on the side of your face and making the bags worse. You can do this yourself if you can get pillows/ cushions to build up around you to remind you not to turn on your side. (5) What ever I do I wake up sometimes with a puffy face and eyes - so - and this can be magic- I screw up my eyes tight and spring them open. I do alternate winking and move my face around. This does help me. I hope Ive given you some help here. Smiling also does bags good - you won't look sad if you smile X Shula
Dear Missmaaam - thank you for writing to me. I really appreciate your feed back. I totally understand how you feel. I think you can find out if you are exacerbating the bags by trying my natural suggestions in the two malar bag movies. Do they reduce the appearance of the bags? I can develop them now if I don't follow my own suggestions! Are they in your family? If so I guess they must be genetic. However worry about them can make your face tense and increase their prominence. My best suggestion if you think they are inevitable is to get some super nice glasses to wear - perhaps a light rose tint. They will protect your eyes from sun and the area from wrinkling and when you look at yourself the bags won't be the first thing you see. I hope this helps and that you can look at yourself with pleasure in the mirror. Best wishes X S
Thank you so much - I do feel that I have a lot to give because my mother taught me a lot about natural beauty - for her less was best - and she remained with a velvety skin till she passed away at over 100 years old two years ago. I have never worn face make up. When I was in my teens and twenties there wasn't much around ( 50 years ago!!!) and now when I try it on I find it very ageing - it sinks into the lines. So I avoid it and I think my skin has benefitted. With all best wishes - Shula
Thank you Humma - you certainly have a good point. In this video I'm trying as you say . This was taken two years ago as I write. I think so far I've been successful - There's an image of me on my blog as I write this please take a look naturalbeautybrains.org. No make-up just a selfie - no editing either.
@@ShulaRichNaturalBeautyBrains Wow awesome! How long into treating the Malar Bags with rose water did you see results? Malar Bags do age one and make someone look very tired. Thank in advance. However, what a big difference in your face, took yrs off your face :)
Damaris Rodriguez IKR? I had them (at age 36) and mine look way worse than this woman’s. People think I’ve been crying or whatnot because I look swollen. I look young otherwise but the facial edema bothers me. A plastic surgeon here on RU-vid gives little hope regarding this issue.😢 Here is the video link. It states what you can do for them. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7suSB7CcdKU.html
Hi - you look great to me - If and when mine develop I will be continuing to do what my Mother recommended which is a big smile and to feel it. I know that to recommend this might be unthinking when many people do not always lead a life that enables them to smile - however if there is room to care and to smile at others then what ever's around the eyes will be smile lines.
Hi,I got malar mounds immediately after cheek fillers,I'm only 22..What can I do to fix that? I never had them ,will it go away after some years or is it permanent? Thank you.
@@karenm853 mines had just went away, try sleeping upright, if you have allergies, take an allergy pill and Pataday Eye drops as well as vitamins/water.
Dear Archana I think what you've said is more than possible. Where I live there's a lot of traffic fumes which can get in my eyes so badly that I can't see. If I rub them that causes temporary lines and swelling which looks like bags. When I get home I do what's called 'palming'. Here's link to it. seeing.org/techniques/palming.html When I was a child and developed bad site my parents sent me to two ladies called the Mrs Scarlet. They taught this technique called The Bates Method which Ive sent you a link to. We certainly didn't have a lot of money when I was small so I was very lucky to be taken to the ladies. Im so glad to be able to pass on the knowledge to you and hope it helps X Shula
@@ShulaRichNaturalBeautyBrains Thank you so much for taking the time to write about your personal experience and for also sharing the method of doing it. I would certainly try it. 🙏
hello,i admire your beautiful skin,what kind of oil do you put on your face?? i prefer natural remedies for my beauty routine and this is so interesting because i have festoons already at my face and i want to stop it,thanks!!
Dear Giouli Thank you very much indeed for writing and Im sorry I've taken so long to reply ( actually We've been re designing the graphics - which I'm now happy with ) So, to your query. Thank you for your compliment. I think my skin is nice because first of all I don't put masses of stuff on it. All I use is OLIVE OIL to clean it - there's a video on that on the site .... I don't use soap and water - just oil and prevent bags - nothing - just nothing, apart from a little rose water to clean off any oil which may have got there. I do the exercise I showed you - and they've gone now. Please see my latest video and close up on my face. Hopefully you'll see I don't have them any more. Oh yes - and most important of all I sleep on my back. I have actually invented a sleep system that helps people to sleep like this which I'll be launching shortly. I do hope this helps you. I know that some things to do with our faces can be inherited. In this case I would recommend that you smile a lot - which does make lines but they will be happy lines and people will see your smiling face and not any bags. X Shula
Dear Shay thank you so much for your compliment. What works is a small and an appreciation of life and other people. Smiling eyes mean a lot. With love Shula
Hi Rekah. Its really not a medicine. I use oils like argan oil and olive oil and to stop my eye area getting clogged up. I wipe away any surplus oil with a cotton wool pad. Tho' it makes no difference to my eye - I buy organic cotton pads for the sake of the environment. Very best wishes Shula
Hi there eye bag Community. just my two cents. I'm wondering if eye cupping could help to drain that trapped cosmetic build up under the skin away, as well as the rose water, as I'm not clear on what rosewater can do to address the trapped cream underneath the skin in that area. Help!
Hi There is a procedure called cupping - which was for the eyes and recommended by two ladies called the Scarlet sisters. It was to rest they eyes and help with eyesight. I have never used creams around my eyes - My thoughts are to prevent eye bags getting too' baggy' The rose water that I use is to clean the eye area of any oils from my hands or face that may have got there - Its gentle and slightly astringent. It won't of course get rid of creams if under the skin. All best wishes Shula
Nice video n will try now on RU-vid there are so many home remedies it's confusing I've started applying coffeeoil (mixed with ground coffee coconut oil n castor oil ) is it ok
Dear Mario of course you have to do what you believe will suit your face and skin type. In my experience anything heavy like an oil near the eyes is really not a good idea. Most people have much more delicate skin here and you must be so careful not to drag it or put heavy oils or creams there. They might make it worse. So I suggest be really careful and try perhaps in the daytime so you can monitor what happens. I’m happy you like the vid. Thank you ;) S
Please don't be offended by what I am going to say....are you a qualified dermatologist if not I would take down this video....I took your advice as you seemed so sure of what you were saying...I threw away my expensive eye creams...guess what to only find my red eye bags had nothing to do with using eye creams !!..... so I say this to all people that post videos that they think might help others with their problems...don't even if your intentions are meant well....unless you are qualified....
Dear Jane - thank you for your comment. I think you’ve sent this to us before so I know how much it means to you. I always point to my own experience which others may like to try. I would never suggest people try anything which might even approach doing harm or throwing anything away that cost you so much. Thank you very much for your care in not wanting to hurt my feelings. We do have to look after each other. If things work for me I always want to share them and the recommend not to use creams near the eye came from the daughter of an eye surgeon. I tried it and it worked for me - but as you say eye bags are caused by so many different things and I wish you the best in tackling them. :) Shula
Dear Umaima, thanks so much for your query and for trusting me to reply. From my own experience all heavy creams and oils around the eye area, can be absorbed and lead to swelling. Please try light creams and oils and learn from your own experiences. With love, Shula.
@@ShulaRichNaturalBeautyBrains thanks a ton for replying Shula.. Can you suggest me any light oil as a daily cleanser? I have asian skin tone Wheatish complexion Nd I'm more into oil based cleansers. Combination skin more towards dry in winters
Hi - Thank you for coming back to me. I cleanse with olive oil - I made a video on it which is on my site. Around my eyes I am always very carefully to take any remainder of the oil off with a cotton pad soaked in rose water, or sometimes eye lotion from the chemist. Also I use a cotton bud soaked in rose water or eye lotion to gently make sure there’s no oil left. I don’t wash my face because it’s drying - I’ve made a video on how I cleanse. I can only say what’s worked for me and also for my mother who had a lovely skin too. You’ll find a picture of her on millyrich.co.uk. There’s a lot of stuff that people buy that’s expensive and can be drying. Your skin gets dry, then you over nourish and your skin can get worse not better. I hope these ideas help Love Shula
@@ShulaRichNaturalBeautyBrains Thank you so much for this detailed reply.. Can You just tell me if You ever ever consulted amy dermatologist? As I just did virtually and that said seeing my Malar bags lines that its Aging..although im cleansing daily and nothing particularly as a routine I used to do. But i do cleanse Daily. And I m 29 years old. Living in south Asian country.
Hi Yes I’ve spoken to a dermatologist. A qualified doctor She said that it’s also important to increase the circulation in the face. Like screwing up the eyes and releasing quickly ( 50 times) winking each side separately ( 50 times) it doesn’t take long tho it sounds time consuming. Just activating the circulation in the face. There’s one thing I’m sure of - they can be exacerbated by creams and anything heavy. Be light and gentle. Activate the face, don’t leave the area greasy! Please try this and let me know how you go. Love Shula
Hi I just found your channel and I would like to ask what to use instead of face cream for moisturising to avoid the cream building up in the malar bags. Thank you.
Hi - do you really need anything? Everyone is different so I cant say what's right for you. For me less is more - I just don't use anything - but I keep the area mobile this keeps the lymph flowing around the area and helps to drain puffiness.
Dear Craig listing - I agree with you - tho I might have said 'rubbish' rather than 'bollocks' if you don't mind my saying so. Reason being that I think that 'bollocks' is just a part of a man and wouldn't want to associate it with something stupid - really I mean that. So having said that, I also find it unbelievable. But .. the person who told me was an innovation advisor at the British Library and the info is from her mother whom she said was an eye surgeon. That sounds like a good expert to take seriously. Talking about things penetrating the skin, - I went to the optician a little while ago who asked me if I used to wear a lot of eye makeup. She could see that I had, because the eyeliner had gone through my eye lids and was tattooed on the inside. So I guess some things do penetrate. All best wishes and thank you for your reply - Shula
@@mb5857 I didn t use eye cream for a month to see if it is true and my bags under eyes are smaller.I think she is right.I ve only used vitamin c serum from Kiehls and rose water. You can try, nothig to lose .
@@mb5857 Hi Katy - Thank you for your comment - I agree that the warning sounds like nonsense - however it came to me from a trusted source - the daughter of an eye surgeon and I stopped using them near my eyes as soon as she told me.
@KALDOUT WNZ Hi - I am 72 - and I'm not wearing any make up in the video apart from eye make up. I've also not photoshopped the videos as that would be wrong. Personally I don't use any creams around my eyes - for me this helps. We are really all different and its a warm smile and a kind heart that is the most beautiful thing we can have.
@@dandarth-kc9cf Hi - Thank you - Eye creams tend to be heavy and some peoples skin is too delicate for a heavy cream. How are you doing now ? My apologies for the silly time I have taken to reply. Its taking me ages to work out the technology. Hopefully I have it right now. Cheers and bets wishes - Shula
Dear Sachin - If you wanted to post a picture I might be able to comment. I have worked for years on the way I look because its interesting and fun and I think I've ended up knowing quite a lot. I've read that these bags can be caused by not drinking enough, eating salty food late at night, heavy sleeping after a late night. I guess all these can happen at any age. I do hope this helps - you know things on our faces always look worse to us than other people. X Shula
Hi there can you help a girl out? So recently my cheekbones have swollen or bloated. I am not sure if it really is malar bags but I hate how it looks. They are like a redish color and puffy. I am only 15 and it definitely isn't genetics
@@rejiplayz5779 hey there, I am sorry to hear about it. Mine are gone and here were my reasons : -dehydration (haven't had water for months....... ) -washed my face with cold water -stopped using an acne cream it dried out my skin and it made my skin itchy(maybe allergies) I totally recommend you should visit a local doctor to check if it's really malar bags. I hope it will disappear!
Dear Party Player, I'm so sorry to hear about your problem and my delay in replying. As you might have been unhappy all this time. I really suggest that you don't mess about with them or touch them with anything. As possibly their a reaction to something. Perhaps try my olive oil face wash instead of soap as it's very gentle and nourishing! Any other queries about this please feel free to DM me on instagram @naturalbeautybrains I'd love to hear back. :)
Totally wonderful advice! But just perhaps think about not using water for the time being and try suggested olive oil face wash - see RU-vid vid. As water might also be drying them. Hope this works for you!
dear kaine, I hope they don't effect your life too much! Sometimes things seem much bigger to you than they do to other people. I did have them badly but I honestly got rid of mine with the exercises that I show - but that's not the same for everybody. Somebody has kindly suggested wearing glasses to disguise them - it can make such a difference to the way you feel about yourself. Hope this helps Shula xx
Hi Sonali Just one eye - I understand how you feel. From my experience lines on just one side of the face can come from having that side as a sleep position. Do you sleep on that side where the bag is ? Please let me know and I'll definitely reply sooner than last time ( apologies we were re designing the channel) If its to do with your sleep position then perhaps try sleeping on your back? This is what I do along with some of the exercises that I've shown in the video. sometimes other things help like drinking water, not eating late at night, cutting down on salt. Another one I recommend always is to try and smile as this hides the bags with smile lines and spreads some happiness to others. X Shula
Dear Ammu - I've studied this a lot because they can make a person look tired out and sad when inside you don't feel that way at all. All I can suggest is really trying to find out what causes them for you. I understand that they are 'there' already so you don't know why you got them - but - can you try to find out if there is anything which makes them worse and anything which makes them a little better? Are they worse on one side? Is it the side you sleep on? If you eat early are they better than if you eat late and don't sleep too well? Other things which can affect them are heavy eye cream - many say don't use it, looking down at a screen all the time, poor circulation. Lack of water. Heavy facials. My best suggestion is to really try to study what reduces and what accentuates them. If you can stabilise them then we can think of all the alternative treatments to try and remove or relieve them. Perhaps others have suggestions? I hope this helps Shula
@@ShulaRichNaturalBeautyBrains yes you are right, I was used to sleep with both sides ,thanks dear for your reply and please suggest if you found anything else for festoons and malarbags
@@ammu1476 Hi - Im so glad we thought of something - perhaps try to sleep on your back as much as possible. I have taught myself to do this and sleep all the time on my back now. Other possibilities are for you to try the things I suggested and see if they help at all. We are all so different that no stranger can say what's best for you individually - however back sleeping will definitely stop stressing your skin. X Shula
Dear Magic Mum I have a few comments like this and I cant work out why it is. I am really very sorry that you're not getting the sound and so we're all missing out on any comments you might make.
Hi - I agree - Its what I was told - and the woman who told me had no reason to make it up! Anyway I don't use any super nourishing creams near to my eyes for this reason
Dear xmaseveeve - I'm sorry if you think this is nonsense but I appreciate your view and thank you for saying so. I share only tips and experiences that I myself have found genuinely helpful. Very best wishes Shula
i am 19 and i have terrible festoons,can you help me give me your social and i will send you photos and full story and help me if you can.give me your experience and strategies,i hate myself in mirror because of this ,thanks beforehand
Thankyou everyone for all these questions! I've just done a blog post for more info! www.naturalbeautybrains.org/home/malar-bags I hope this is extra help! Best. Shula X
I've had these since i am a child.. since i was born i think. I'm 36 now and they are severe.. like really bad. I've search the whole intermet and i havent seen any as severe as mine. I get so upset when they say this are cause by aging or sun damage. In my case they are genetic, at 5 i had them.. at 16 i had them..they've gotten worse with age obviously but in my case it was genetic. I just started wearing glasses and noticed it helps camouflage them...but i understand you so much. I just embraced the fact that i have this.
Dear friends, I totally understand how looking in the mirror at yourself and not liking part of yourself, can be so depressing and robbing of your self- esteem. Before I discovered the face exercises that I did, I had things looking like slugs, snaking around under my eyes and I felt just as terrible. Not everything works the same for each person. I think only a dermatologist can advise, if affordable. Otherwise, harmless things that I do might help and also back sleeping that worked wonders for me. Hope this helps, Shula x
Hi Tove - About lasers - I'd be really worried as the skin is so delicate. Make sure you fully research and please ask for before and after pictures of other clients. Also think about the non-surgical options beforehand - eg. face exercises & sleeping on back - please look for the right sleep system for you. & glasses could be a brilliant way to present yourself to the world.Good luck xx