How Jesus Became God - UCC Part 2 of 3 

Titus Judah .. Lol .. Go to part 1 and see the number . this is part 2 so they escaped and never accepted to her the truth .. #Truth hurts

I was thinking the same thing, then realized about 1,000 people viewed this on RU-vid for each person who was at the lecture.

People prefer the simple fairy tale to the cognitive dissonance of the reality.

TRUE

Its false teaching

@@first99967 I would do your research, very little of what he teaches is contentious in academic circles. He points this out in books some of which are used as standard texts in American universities

@@first99967 We can dismiss John because the other Gospels contradict it.

@@pinball1970 ~~~ Agreed.

@@first99967 the term Messiah means anointed. When the OT refers to god's anointed (like the king of israel) it's literally the same word used to describe Jesus

@@first99967 well it does make sense since you can not have more than 1 God. If every prophet teaches the worship of 1 God, how could we worship someone else? It doesn't make more sense since it is a proces of being a prophet (Jesus) who teaches the worship 1 God, to a human who is actually God besides God.

This guy is on his way into the Lake of Fire if he doesn't repent

Duh coz my forefathers believed it

And atheist when quesitoned sya i dont belive i just dont believe, we came from nothing

Anyone not Muslim will have difficulty making sense of this

@@adorabasilwinterpock6035 Atleast you're now willing even to accept him as a good person.... Just accept him as a messenger and accept Islam brother

Elliot Mabeuse He is one scholar with a particular angle. He's very vocal and public that's why people know about him. There are tens of thousands of scholars worldwide on a continuum from very conservative to very sceptical. One needs to read very widely to form an idea of what is scholarly con census.

@@pellismelisande7617 he said his angle is charity otherwise he wouldt do it. when he spoke to peter on big conversaition its shows how ignorant ppl ppl who bel;eive in bible have angles and don't accept truth bible is corrupted and contradictory!

@OTO TAKE Emojis! A very powerful comment.

This is what I've concluded: Ancient culture is not without its mythology. The Old Testament is Hebrew mythology. The New Testament is mythology of Hellenistic Judaism. It all makes so much sense, now!

I say Bart is a hypocrite and a deceiver. His bad intentions is to hide the part of the truth that will prove him wrong. Also to misinterpret the part that he likes to show that he's right. He doesn't believe that the gospel is inspired by the Holly Spirit; thus, he's demanding eye witnesses for every incident/saying in the gospel. e.g. how did they hear what Pilate said to Jesus and back unless Pilate made a news conference after the trial. There is absolutely no need to any eye witness. The Holly Spirit inspired each of the disciples to write what has happened and each one of them wrote it in his own style. (thus minor differences). I can tell that he's not Christian anymore as he's calling the era after Jesus Christ as 'C.E. (Current Era) vs. the Christian way of 'A.D'. (Ano Domini or the Year of the Lord.) Thus he does not believe that Jesus is our ONLY God.; He stated that only in John that Jesus claims to be God. He does not want to mention, Luke 1:43 were Elizabeth (John's The Baptist mother) confirms that the Virgin Mary is 'the mother of my God' and NOT the mother of my prophet. There are other places too but this is the easiest. After his resurrection, most disciples admitted that Jesus Christ is our GOD. Luke 24:45-47 and worshiped him Luke 24:52. Our Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled many of the old-testament prophecies abt him till the last minute before he died. The Gospel was written in Aramaic Hebrew but original copies were destroyed/confiscated by the Romans/Sanhedrin troops. Many other copies were destroyed during the almost first 312 years of Christianity by the Romans, Jews and the pagans. Obviously, they did not have any respect to our scriptures and did not preserve them in their Librairies. Later copies of our gospel were written in Greek/other languages as the disciples, and by the power of the Holly Spirit, started to speak in tongues. Greek was the most common language in the Roman Empire provinces. Thus a Greek gospel will be understood by much more people than any other language. There are more other verses that prove that our ONLY LORD/GOD JESUS CHRIST IS THE MOST HIGH AND THE GREATEST EVER. Certainly, Bart will sell his books/shows quicker and for more if he takes the counter Christian side. Also, Bart doesn't give any evidence to his statements/opinions but demand all kind of evidence from the Gospels inspired by the Holly Spirit.

​@@ibatan2981 His statements about the views of ancient peoples and in particular early Christians are based on a host of contemporaneous writings. He simply doesn't have time to get into those in these lectures. On the other hand, citation needed for "the Gospel was written in Aramaic Hebrew". Also, "there are more other verses that prove..." Ehh? How can a verse in a book serve to prove anything like that?

@@ibatan2981 What he has always said about John is that from his writings it seems only John "knew", "thought" or "regarded" Jesus as the son of God and Jesus Himself. Unlike Luke where it's general knowledge or popular awareness about His sonship as evidenced in the verses you shared and others.

I agree with most of what Bart says in many ways. Concerning the connection between egyptian religion and christianity I am unconvinced. There are similar motifs in both stories only the egyptian being the earlier. For example I've read the following: Isis kind of was a virgin. It does say so on the walls of the temple of Set. Also she was later merged with Hathor to make Mut, who definitely was a virgin mother.The virginity of Horus’s mother, Isis, has been disputed, because in one myth she is portrayed as impregnating herself with Osiris’s severed phallus. In depictions of Isis’s impregnation, the goddess conceives Horus “while she fluttered in the form of a hawk over the corpse of her dead husband.” This would indicate that the conception couln't have been physical but rather symbolic since Isis was both the sister, the divine mother and the wife of Osiris in one person. In an image from the tomb of Ramesses VI, Horus is born out of Osiris’s corpse without Isis even being in the picture. Hence, in discussing these myths we are not dealing with “real people” who have body parts.The Egyptian goddess who was equally “the Great Virgin” (hwnt) and “Mother of the God” was the object of the very same praise bestowed upon her successor [Mary, Virgin Mother of Jesus].One of the inscriptions that calls Isis the “Great Virgin” appears in the temple of Seti I at Abydos dating to the 13th century BCE. As stated by professor of Old Testament and Catholic Theology at the University of Bonn Dr. G. Johannes Botterweck, in the Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament.The Pyramid Texts speak of “the great virgin” (hwn.t wr.t) three times. She is anonymous, appears as the protectress of the king, and is explicitly called his mother once. It is interesting that Isis is addresseed as hwn.t in a sarcophagus oracle that deals with her mysterious pregnancy. In a text in the Abydos Temple of Seti I, Isis herself declares: “I am the great virgin.”It should be noted that the king or pharaoh, whose mother is called “the great virgin,” is also the living Horus; hence, his great virgin mother would be Isis, because father and son were regarded as one much like in the Jesus myth. John 14:11 "I am in the father and the father is in me."So in a metaphorical way, Osiris died but was resurrected in horus thus the yearly repetition of the osiris rites would guarantee fertility and by the resurrection, eternal life. According to egyptian myths while a person is alive (taking the king as the example), he is Horus the son of the god Osiris. But once he dies, he becomes Osiris, so it can only be Osiris who is resurrected in the form of Horus. Osiris was a Victor of Amentet, thus descended to the place of the dead, and ascended to Heavens as Horus. I hope the motifs and paralells are clear.

Well if HE's in... I"m in!

and yet he got nowhere near close to it

BUT was he really?

@@slugakristov8343 Yup because he was Muslim.

Muslim always right, so therefore, Malcolm X right

"I have more respect for a man who let me knows where he stands" Malcom X

Yes! Brilliant!

Trust me, it's even worse when you find out that your prophet is a pedo sex maniac! Hard to face such truths!

@@indrishmo you're just enemy of knowledge.. your hobby is to hear lies on other religions and repeat it over and over again when you know the answer of it !! all that just to stay on your corrupted religion and protect your nonsense blind faith.we muslims are forced to learn our religion in schools and in the Hadiths and in the Qur'an so don't act like you know something when you can't even speak Arabic please... Sheikh google is not going to help you..educate yourself do your researches with an open mind please man stop hating you're a complete ignorant

@@kingdavid7345 in all honesty all muslim scholars will acknowledge that he did marry a 9 yr old girl ...

@@faithfultheology: I can understand your pain to know the truth.

@@faithfultheology honey u misunderstood not 9 yrs old but 19 yrs old, where do u get this news from????

Because you are a heretic.

@@dimitri1225 true hurts man

Someday your church will find out that they are the heretics.

in old Russian it was "Rum" (room), but it is "Rim" in modern Russian as well.

@@mrk4022 In Polish it is 'Rzym' [zhym]

suljeuk of rum is the name for the turks of rome I believe it is pronounced Rum... so close to Reem!

Ehrman makes it clear in lecture #1 he is not talking about belief.

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Thomas Didymus (the twin), was he possibly doubting his own twin brother?

Exactly Christ was and is Lord and God from all eternity

Theophilοs Researcher close your eyes steal your heart and seal away your mind your refrigerator runs on cosmic black hole energy

Excellent point.

At last, somebody who sees and states truth!

No Way - So true!!!!!!

Three was a big jewish population in Alexandria, Egypt. Interaction between religious religious beliefs seem very likely to me.

What, that imagery was borrowed? Sure, why not?

also in Babylonia age.. Namrud + semiramis(mother) + Thamuz(son)= 1 family

We are all unique and all chips off the divine block.

Such as?

@@soslothful such as romulus being rome

No it's before. But you can google it for yourself. However I do know Paul never met John, Mark, Luke or Matthew. Paul never met Jesus either

@@steppenwolf3252 All the gospels were written after most of the books _attributed_ to Paul. It's possible that no one met Mark, Matthew, Luke or John. They are not actually the authors of the gospels, just names assigned to them a few hundred years later.

@@steppenwolf3252 - Absolutely Paul’s writings were before the gospels. YOU can Google it. Paul wrote around 40-50 CE, Mark (the first gospel) was written in the 60s at the earliest, but probably the 70s.

What are those?

Karen Mayberry, Myths are not to be understood literally. It's a way human beings understand their world and very often there is truth in most myths.

Have you heard??

Because its more than that, John is the equivalent of saying existentialism came down to Earth and became Joe Bloggs or Utilitarianism became down to Earth and became Mary Smith its radical and it recreates the world from the beginning. Its the same with Karl Marx communism is something humans had from the beginning the cavemen practiced it - just evil forces called capitalism that have corrupted it. It is saying I know why you feel alienated this is how the world was before and this is how its been corrupted and changed that's why you feel alienated.

They did not think analytically. They thought with conviction. They can"t be blamed. They were not scholars.

Question of the millenum

Because once your belief has have gotten you to a certain point, and you witness such traumatic death of your friend, the only way to cope or find the meaning in your experience is to stay on the path - make it matter, make it real, validate your existence and justify the cruel murder of your friend. Once you see your bff crucified before your eyes, things have gone way too far to reverse course. You ride that train - any other course of belief would make it all futile/ pointless and nobody’s going down that path. Ride or Die. (Not saying this is the truth - it is just an explanation that also makes sense to me) (Also, how well is the martyrdom of the Apostles really validated/ fact-checked? Outside of the Bible. I’m not an expert, but this apostle storyline seems hard to verify to me.)

Do what?

haha yeah, funny how delicate he handled that. All other sciences don't mind borrowing from each other and cross those lines.

Calmont < Actually my friend, theology is a legitimate field of study and throughout history every element of human life has built our society on it. In our values and morality, religious or not, our laws, ethics and cultures are based on theological idioms. Much of our business practices and logos come from mythology. Court proceedings derive out of codex and conon law. Swearing on the Bible, and penalties for perjury. Even our political systems and government authority is built from theology. We use terms like a Herculean task, taking the hot seat, Godfather, black market and underground. Apollo rockets, Hell fire missiles, being a Godsent, a saving grace, a God of something (war, making love, sport player).

+No Quarter I think you misunderstand the point of the comment. They don't yield reproducible, concrete useful answers to questions. All implications of whether God is 3 in 1 or simply 1 or simply 3 are theological and ambiguous. I believe this is what is meant by it not being legitimate, but obviously an adjective like legitimate is interpreted contextually and subjectively. Clearly religion has been an important cultural element in the forming of our society. But these things are ambiguous, it's not like we couldn't have godfathers until we figured out what to call them, anymore than we wouldn't have cat burglars if we never had cats. In addition I think you are confusing theology with religion. Jesus forbade swearing in Matthew 5, surely any Christian theologian could tell you that. Yet a superstitious peasant might be more likely to tell the truth if he thinks God will smite him for fibbing after he swore on the Bible. Exploiting the superstitions of the masses to solidify governmental control has a long history and I don't see how that sheds any light on whether or not theology is a "legitimate field of study".

If History were a legitimate field of study, people wouldn't have a non-knowledgable speaker like Ehrman trying to explain Theology. He's a 'historian', right? And people are going to learn about Divinity from an ATHEIST ?

This guy is a hypocrite like u who is trying to find history from books of theology and is still thankless to theologians hehe. You cant find right from wrong things lol. Typical Jewish approach, is he a Jew?

chinnan mechery bro if u think that jesus isn't a God then u r Muslim 😀

You are a smart man. I've been saying this for years. Christianity don't teach Jesus teaching,they teach their own. That's why I don't follow Christianity.

chinnan mechery Honey, you are not a Christian if you don't believe in the Trinity (the divinity of Jesus).

Muhammed alsoh Not necessarily. You could be a pagan, an atheist, a hindu, a deist, etc. For one to be a muslim they must believe there is only one god, and that Muhammed is his prophet. So a person can be a monotheist and not believe that the child raping, slave taking, illiterate, warlord, Muhammed was the prophet of the god they believe in. Thus making them not Muslim.

alsanabani That's a no-true scotsman fallacy. While it's generally understood that Christian refers to some one who believes Jesus was the Christ, what that means varies. Take Unitarians, not Unitarian Universalists, but og Unitarians. They are a nominally Christian sect that does not believe in the Trinity. They are monotheists who follow the teachings of Jesus, but do not believe as a church that Jesus was a god. Remember the Trinity doesn't exist as a concept in the bible. While the precursor claims may exist within the source material there is never any claim about the trinity, it's a later explanation for why christians who believe in multiple forms of god, aren't pagans.

You missed the entire point of the video lol

Quantity is no guarantee of quality

That doesn't even say Jesus

Frankly, _united in essence, divided in person_ sounds like a pretty picturesque definition of _polytheism_ .

But God saya in OT My glory will i not give to another How can you say the he shared his glory with 2 other persons?

+Julio Kosters They have some similar but not copy. Check again and you will see the different.

Alice Ng If something is similar that definately means the later accepts the idea, believes the idea, embrassed the idea, follows the idea, or copied the idea of the former. Choose one amongst this choice of words.

Similar stories does not mean the later one must know the first one. Bible is a book full of similar stories, but it is not a copy, How about chinese cannot copy the hebrew bible, but them have the same story about the great flood.

Alice Ng We are not talking about stories here friend, we are talking about the Most fundamental belief i.e knowing who Our Creator God is.

God is no way we can understand him, unless He let us know, therefore all other religions using the same method is writing or books. So Bible and other writing we need to find out which one is real or all fake. If there is a God, then we go to the next step, that if the bible is real. Check it out yourself.

It's not because they're Christians, it's because they've been indoctrinated. All those who have been indoctrinated in a particular religion do the same with their sacred books and doctrines. All human beings who are religious think they believe in the right religion. All of them.

@@vejeke Being indoctrinated is an issue, if you allow that indoctrination to distort sound reason. Believing in something when overwhelming evidence proves otherwise is ignoring your own rationality (6000 year old earth). Yet, believing in God is not something irrational. We can't dismiss the possibility of a creator when the knowledge we have in science and the creation of the universe is of yet unexplained. Also, in most religions the supreme being doesn't seem to want anything from us but to treat one another justly and with compassion. It's we humans that sometimes abuse the essence of these religions for our own benefits. Peace brother.

Just look it up, begotten means "fathered', so only begotten son means it's the only son he has, it doesn't have anything to do with essence, I don't think.

True belief can't be shaken much less trashed. The only thing clowns like Ehrman serve to do is clear weeds out of the garden. For someone who is held as a Leading scholar he has a poor grasp of the historicity of the Torah and Mosaic Law and it's relationship upon the Ancient Hebrew peoples. I especially get a laugh out of his having referred to it as "Not particularly egregious" That statement alone makes me wonder whether he's even read the Old Testament.

Harris Dupree Well said. His inability to grasp major Biblical concepts is obvious. Either Ehrman is cherry picking or lying.

the dead sea called. it needs the salt back

Adrian Janssens, it is exactly like the sick who are scared of visiting a doctor simply they don’t want to hear that something is seriously wrong with them. They prefer to live as they are at least they are living.

@Harris Dupree, I say Bart is a hypocrite and a deceiver. His bad intentions is to hide the part of the truth that will prove him wrong. Also to misinterpret the part that he likes to show that he's right. He doesn't believe that the gospel is inspired by the Holly Spirit; thus, he's demanding eye witnesses for every incident/saying in the gospel. e.g. how did they hear what Pilate said to Jesus and back unless Pilate made a news conference after the trial. There is absolutely no need to any eye witness. The Holly Spirit inspired each of the disciples to write what has happened and each one of them wrote it in his own style. (thus minor differences). I can tell that he's not Christian anymore as he's calling the era after Jesus Christ as 'C.E. (Current Era) vs. the Christian way of 'A.D'. (Ano Domini or the Year of the Lord.) Thus he does not believe that Jesus is our ONLY God.; He stated that only in John that Jesus claims to be God. He does not want to mention, Luke 1:43 were Elizabeth (John's The Baptist mother) confirms that the Virgin Mary is 'the mother of my God' and NOT the mother of my prophet. There are other places too but this is the easiest. After his resurrection, most disciples admitted that Jesus Christ is our GOD. Luke 24:45-47 and worshiped him Luke 24:52. Our Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled many of the old-testament prophecies abt him till the last minute before he died. The Gospel was written in Aramaic Hebrew but original copies were destroyed/confiscated by the Romans/Sanhedrin troops. Many other copies were destroyed during the almost first 312 years of Christianity by the Romans, Jews and the pagans. Obviously, they did not have any respect to our scriptures and did not preserve them in their Librairies. Later copies of our gospel were written in Greek/other languages as the disciples, and by the power of the Holly Spirit, started to speak in tongues. Greek was the most common language in the Roman Empire provinces. Thus a Greek gospel will be understood by much more people than any other language. There are more other verses that prove that our ONLY LORD/GOD JESUS CHRIST IS THE MOST HIGH AND THE GREATEST EVER. Certainly, Bart will sell his books/shows quicker and for more if he takes the counter-Christian side. Most of the times, he doesn't even give any evidence to his opinions/sayings but demand evidence for everything stated in the gospels.

You wont find any historical account of Moses in Egypt.. He didnt exist. You wont find an Exodus. Look up an earlier figure Sargon. This is what Moses template came from,

@@AdonaiZedek It doesn't matter if he did or not as long as adherents to Judaism THOUGHT he did. The point would still apply then

Actually if we all were to follow Jesus teachings and love one another, we could create the Kingdom of Heaven here on Earth right here and right now. No need to wait for death to experience Heaven. However that's quite a task and most humans--even so-called Christians--don't have the will or faith or determination to do the work required

The Quran puts sense into the whole thing if you read it with an open mind and objectively

Sam Man give me a sense of this ‘sense’. (No pun intended.)

Sam Man No, it doesn’t. It’s the exact same story but with Mohammed replacing Jesus.

There is a rich mythology passed down in many cultures that's much richer and more meaningful than a "fairy tale." It gives humans ideals to follow and uses human nature to tell sacred tales. Kind of like Star Wars or Lord of the Rings. Humans need ideals and hero stories to give them something which will give their lives meaning. They find your kind of cynicism and denigration of such important epics depressing and destructive. We crave spirituality and a mythology to show us how to live and to aspire for a better life, Your words are so empty and soul-destroying. It offers no hope. It gives no strength. It covers us in darkness and negativity. I know it's the curse of our current culture. But that's no reason we must surrender to such misery and hopelessness.

@End Game Your mind needs to be open enough for your brain to fall out. 😂

No way. You mean Megatron!

You are so wrong Mister I can't believe you think that....wait a sec

Joshua Privett Well first of all, it is not MY bible... it is just another book. The ancient Hindu say the universe slumbers and then exists for 4,320,000,000,000 years. The bible version created after the Hindu texts does not correctly define a year. One day of Brahma is over 4 billion years. The ancient Hindu have been referenced many times by scientists as being on point including people like Carl Sagan. In your ignorance "bruh", you assumed I was a Christian. I am only commenting on the lecture. We can talk Blavatsky, Qabalah, Gnosis, Bible, science, whatever you like... it matters not to me because I can see the truths in all of them with a little critical analysis. I can also see the fallacy. Good day.

Can you give a few specific examples of the Hindu text being referenced as "spot on"?

this.

Danny Wilten Dr. Ehrman specializes in NT literature and the early history of Christianity.

Lester Kok hillbilly goat herders did not produce this mess...Once the rich and powerful saw it was a tool to manipulate the masses it was ON!

Scripture would help. Which book and chapter are you referring?