I admit that I leave my comment just to see you d'eagle around in a uspsa match - but you received my like because of the work you have put in your video
@@TheHumbleMarksman Yes they are and often more range time too than a regular review might need. Then after all of that there will be at least a few viewers upset when you don't tell them what would be best for them. It's interestinng stuff though. When I did all those doublestack 1911s I found it interesting to see how the weight distribution differed from one to the next, but since they were also all differently built it was tough to see if it was weight distribution or other qualities impacting my shoting experience.
I love my Canik Rival S. One has the medium weight Lok brass grip, with W74 tungsten guide rod with 12lb. recoil spring run 147gr. Fenix ammuntion and have brass magwell. My other Rival S has W74 tungsten guide rod with 12lb. recoil spring, lok brass magwell and Mag-mo Edge grip which is a total GAME CHANGER!! That grip is amazing my favorite by far. Traction/grip you get with Mag-mo edge grip combine that with the extra weight is amazing!!! Love your videos!!! Cha-Cha- Ching
Great vid! That SureFire light was definitely wobbling! Every quick-attach light mount has failed for me, so I stick with the tried and true thumbscrew. Would love to see a Deagle video!
You praised the brass grips a lot but preferred the G10 grips + tungsten guide rod in the end. What can be concluded here? That a 50/50 weight balance is a good way to go? Slight front weight bias (tungsten guide rod) is a good thing? But you also mention the Sig moves around less with the brass grips. Sounds like weight balance/performance ratios are different from gun to gun...? Not trying to be overly critical, you're the only guy on YT getting this nerdy and I appreciate your efforts. On that note, I really wanted to see any benefits from the LOK brass backstrap I tried on my PDP... but couldn't find any. I found the gun's recoil impulse was even sharper with it (something to be said about polymer's shock absorption?)and having 4 oz. extra weight at the butt of the gun didn't affect much at al as far as tracking, return to zero, etc. Maybe that's not a surprise but some people make it sound like brass backstraps are the second coming of Jesus or something. Anyway, keep up the good work and sharing your observations 👌
Absolutely here for the degal! It's interesting to me, because currently I'm running a very very nose heavy gun and it's actually showing a lot better behavior at speed. Then again my TLR1 is torqued down to the point you need a tool to remove it, and it's a g34 size upper on a Glock 19 size grip that's stippled to the point it is actively reprofiling my hand if I put more than 150 rounds down at a time XD
This is a great topic that doesn't get enough conversation. I see people decking out their pistols with crazy Light/Optic combos and you can see in the range videos the weapons jumping all over in different ways that don't look good. The worst I have seen was a Beretta APX compact with Steiner optic the size of a mailbox. He was getting hits, but the heel rocking motion was crazy. I don't see the good in it.
I've had the best luck using the sprinco guide rod system for my Walther pdp & glock 17 & 19. Extremely reliable even when pushing the envelope of power factor.
I shoot a lot more air pistols than powder. Balance is paramount to accuracy. And even ease of use. I don't even have any target pistols. Just several high end hunting/hobby models and even some fully custom.
David, I recently ran a G34, G17 and G19 back to back. Same triggers. All three had minimal felt recoil. The shocking thing for me was the G17 had the worst impulse. It seemed to make the front sight oscillate more. The G34 was better but the clear winner was the G19. It was the easiest to get quick, accurate hits with by a noticeable margin.
@@TheHumbleMarksman Exactly, so minor changes in slide weight and the placement of that weight should be more noticeable. All I’m theory but that’s how it’s played out for me. Glad you’re doing more of these videos.
@@JA-oo9qpFeel the same about the amplified front sight oscillation - front sight disturbance. It becomes more prominent when I shoot bullseye at a distance.
The G19 (for Gen 3 at least) has a different palm swell profile compared to the G17 and G34 (3rd gens). I shoot the 19 better because of the ergo even though I do find the gun snappier.
@@MrNgMichael Yeah, I like the feel of the G17/34 grip in the hand more, but the G19 definitely performs better for me. No G45 experience, so who knows how much slide vs grip is playing a role in my case. The strangest part is the G34 also performed better, so I assume it must have something to do with slide weight/balance making the pistol track easier for me. Splits below .20 are not a problem with any of them but the targets reflect my feelings of the G17 having less predictable/repeatable tracking in my hands.
I live in Germany and unfortunately we are only allowed to own two pistols here. I was thinking about buying a "sport-compact", as „The Gentleman Gunner" calls it. I watched your videos on the CZ Shadow 2 Compact and the Walther PDP SF Compact and wanted to ask which of the guns you think is better. Unfortunately there are hardly any people who have held both guns. Which one shoots flatter or faster? How is the precision? Which of the two would you buy regardless of the price? I really like your content and enjoy watching your videos. Keep up the good work! If anyone else has an opinion on this, I would be happy to hear it :) Greetings from Germany!
I competed with a metal frame gun that... despite having little felt recoil, it always felt bouncy and like I couldn't get it to track right back to where I shot. I then gave my Glock 34 that I had in the safe a chance, and have noticed it tracks better. The recoil isn't unmanageable, but the tracking and crispness of the slide feels much better.
Rock the Desert Eagle! Years ago (when it was still legal) a father and son duo brought Desert Eagles to the IPSC Australia nationals. They weren't the most competitive, but they had a ridiculous amount of fun Recoil isn't that bad, it's much more of a long heavy push than a nasty snap due to the sheer weight, gas system, long slide travel and duel recoil springs. The main challenge is getting a feel for the handling and how it likes to be held in order to run it fast.
I Cerakoted a DE .50 at the shop this week and I couldn’t help to think of how awesome/absurd it would be to run one in a match! Very curious on the holster set up and if you’ll run it in single attack/L10 or Open with a dot? 🤔
I run the W74 guide rods, Springer Precision brass, open magwells and TLR1 lights on my X5’s. They come in around 52 ounces (the X5 works really well here). Next, I may try the Shooting Sports Innovations tungsten slugs (damn expensive).
I’ve run the gamut on this myself….with the Rival S even. I run a WML for work and thought I’d try it for USPSA for consistency sake. It just didn’t work. If felt like on longer and tighter shots it took longer for the sights/dot to settle sufficiently. Running the LOK G10 grips and a steel guide rod now. Gun comes back on target nice and consistently now.
Awesome video! Would love to see an updated glock one with fancy video equipment now. Yes the x300a lights do have the tendency to bounce around. I've noticed this a long time ago and no matter what key you put in it's not as sturdy as the B with the thumb screw. So I'm curious if that would have made any difference in this test?
Dude, buy the Eagle. I was at the range yesterday with my SVI Infinity 6” chambered in .40, and it weighs exactly four pounds with loaded magazine. I still get a muzzle rise and sore elbows and shoulders, but I’m 70 . No rail, no optic, but it’s a fine shooter. Best Regards David.
I can’t believe this is the video you put out. I just got the rival s and have competed with it and was wondering if the lok brass is a worthwhile upgrade. Also I have to see you run a match with a shorts and a tang top and a desert eagle 😂
What a timely video, I was thinking about buying the brass grips for my 92G LTT, they make my CZ 75B 41 oz (+9 oz) and it actually recoils nicer than a shadow 2 in terms of tracking. I am not sure what the 5 oz grips would do for the 92G LTT but I am just finding an excuse not to buy a 92 performance, I just love my 92G so much and don't like some things how they configured the 92xp. I don't run a WML either but it seems that they are so far below the pistol that they make it less stable. Think about when you lift weights, the further they are out from the core of your body, the more strength it requires to keep the same stability.
I just added aluminum Lok grips and magwell to my CZ S2 and it almost shoots like a different gun in a good way. More weight in the rear helped me get sights on target much quicker than before.
That's one thing that is cool about the Wilson Combat grip module for P365 having the weights... I'm sure it would balance out more with a tungsten guide rod
I like the front weight of the X300 on compacts the best, as I feel that they could use the up front weight (ie PX4 and G19). I also tried filling the battery compartment with #8 lead shot when shooting poor man's open with a glock and the Strike ind. Mass Driver on a G17 Gen 3. I think there's a certain point of too much weight (all personal prefence), but after feeling my friend's Shadow 2 and my own Glock 17 with a lot of muzzle end weight, I was still 10 oz off from his Shadow 2's weight at 32 oz for my "open" glock. I think adding 4 oz to the front of the gun for polymer framed guns will generally help with muzzle flip. I would like to know the different weights of your configurations, and also I know you were sponsored by the guide rod company, but I would also like to know your groupings with just the WML + grips only.
I run the W74 guide rod and a 29 newton striker spring on my Canik rival gray and thought it helped flatten out muzzle flip, also would like to see you run the DE in 50ae
Bonus content!!! 10:02 I knew I remembered seeing a small glimpse of the 365 AXG legion with the brass Lok grips installed. Maybe I'm not crazy! 🤔 The brass one does look better than the purple aluminum, appreciate your help don't suppose you still have codes @ Lok Grips? Either way thanks for the help!
I really like my usp expert 9 with jet funnel. I use the black 18 round mags that have a metal liner. Those mags are not cheap, but they weigh 2oz more than the white mags. It's really the only way to add weight to the back of the gun. But it shoots like a dream.
I have the Rival sfx S with the Wasatch Arms compensator, mecanik M02 optic, inforce Wild 2 light, Lok aluminum grips and Century Arms thumb rest, which results in a 56 ounce weight, including an empty mag and a +3 mag extension. This shoots with a very tame recoil, almost as good as my Staccato XC and Beretta 92x Performance (configured to 56 ounces) and about the same as my CZ Shadow 2 (configured to 53 ounces).
I'm 700 in on the 365 axg legion got 600 to go, kinda steep but I was already looking at the brass Lok grips. Was wondering if the all brass would look decent or just get the black brass grips. But even the polymer ones kinda look nice, a couple I'd snag for sure. Having said that I'll be fine for a few months once I get it paid off in a couple weeks with the stock legion grips as it feels pretty darn good in the hands!
It's good timing that you came out with this video. I've previously been shooting a glock 17 with a surefire x300 at matches. I found that the gun was not good at speed and felt like it strained my wrists. At first, i thought it was the grip angle, but after flattening the hump i had the same issue. After watching some of your videos, you kept mentioning that weight in the grip is important. That's when I realized how front heavy I had made my gun. I started experimenting at the range without the wml and shot a match yesterday without it and came to a couple of conclusions. 1. The strain on my wrists was the leverage that the front heaviness was creating. 2. The gun recoiled more without the wml, but the recoil was much more consistent, and i could settle the gun faster. 3. The gun swung a lot better between targets without the light. The best way i can describe it, is that the wml recoil was unstable as it came back down. It caused the gun to almost bob on the downstroke, which caused shots to go lower and have more side to side deviation.
In 4 deagle. I wouldn't be mad if you opted for the 44mag version. Brushed chrome or gold tiger stripe fo sho. Think adding a tungsten rod would benefit a shadow 2 at all? I'm already pretty happy with an 11lb recoil spring on the factory stainless rod.
As you already said, the approach with light under a gun is questionable because light has it's own vibration as an almost separate part and adds more to equation than it subtracts. But there were, I can't remember the name, some kind of plates/weight that could be put under the barrel to add weight to the nose. That would be more interesting to explore. But for the life of me, I can't seem to recall what was the name of that system. Was it only for Glock, or CZs.... I can't recall.
Hey, have you thought about checking with Brett over at Nightwood about possibly borrowing his Deagle? If he still has it? Not sure if you guys can just ship from AZ to TX... Not up on all that stuff. Just trying to save you from spending your hard earned cash. The ammo will cost you enough! Pew- Pew. Phew-Phew. $100 I just went through! 😂 Plus, i feel you've become my Bul consultant, maybe this is a way to say thanks? Just trying to help you out, if i can. Looking forward to the full video on the Bul 5" TAC PRO!
As an engineer I try to think about the physics of this and apply engineering principles. There is a lot to think about when you start adding weight and looking at movement under recoil. Physics would say that the gun would rotate less under recoil if the weight is spread out more meaning weight in the grip and weight at the end of the barrel. Also you talk about balance which is moving the center of gravity towards the front or towards the back. Everybody knows about bore axis height and why that matters but similarly the location of the center of gravity up and down should matter for a similar reason. So from that standpoint more weight in the guide rod would help, weight down low such as in the grips and magwell would hurt. I remember the old race guns with optics mounted on a bridge mount above the moving slide. I always thought it would be helpful to add weight right there between the mount and the optic. If you have an old one of those hiding in the back of the closet that would make for an interesting experiment. I liked the video but I have no interest in the DE. Maybe 45 Super in an HK USP?
Dear engineer, draw yourself a diagram of the forces and don't stop at the surface. The CoG is one thing, the fulcrum point is another. Calculate the whole rotation after the initial impulse. Leave the name tag at the desk when you leave work, it looks silly.
I think the B model Surefire locks down much tighter than the A model. Thumbscrew is the way to go. I’m really not sure what the advantage would be to the A version?
The last time I shot a Desert Eagle 50AE every piece of brass ejected straight into my forehead which explained why the guy that let me shoot it had a wool watch cap pulled down to eye level. I wondered why he was wearing it in the summer. First and last time; they are a handful!
It seems like tuning the recoil spring rate to the other weight you're adding (or not) would change the overall performance during recoil. Is that wrong? In other words, if you dialed in the recoil spring for each individual configuration, might you not have ended up with different results?
@@atomicsmith The muzzle rise and return time aren't different, but look at the oscillations in the guns after they return to target. The brass'd gun has much smaller oscillations.
That’s the same type of tang (tangue..? ) as my Walther and with the small hands I have, is why I believe I can’t shoot my PDP as good as my other hand guns
Commenting for the Deagle...unrelated, would love to see some Bro-science on the Atlas Apollo (popple holes) versus single port comp guns (Staccato XC) versus something like the Monsoon Tactical Genghis Komp.
The wobbling light was the first thing I noticed, I use a quick attach light that has a spring loaded clip to hold the rail and I bet that thing would wobble twice as much as the one in the video. I’ve never liked weapon lights anyway, I feel like I would be hidden in the dark until I turn on that light. Then I have exposed myself and my position. I’ll throw that quick mount light in the trash or mount it on a BB gun or something.
I'm also interested in this. BSPS advises against the flat springs with W74 guide rods. If there's a brand of spring that work (big enough interior diameter), that would be great info
looking at the footage-- as your gun is gaining mass compared to the slide, the slide looks like it's slamming back pretty hard at the end of its action more and more. is that normal? that could explain some of the decreased accuracy you're seeing- the slide momentum could be kicking you a bit more. maybe i'm just seeing things
Can we see a comparison of all your full sized striker fired pistols in stock configuration with a working WML and factory +p duty ammo? Asking for a cop…
Hmm...what finish should your 50AE DE have? It has to be gaudy but not too reflective in the sun. Btw. I think Battle Gnome made some DE holster for Ziga from Polenar. Maybe all black, but with huge engraving on the side in rainbow colours and of course brass grips so it isnt too light. Btw. try a video where you add the stuff here like heavy light but also one of the rail based compensators. Maybe in on of those combos it's helpful if there is enough gas volume. Then add all that to something ultra light like an Arex Delta.
What about slide length on a stock pistol for overall shootability and feel? Like 3.5" vs 4" or 4.5". I've heard that a longer slide tends to shoot a little softer and be slightly easier to rack. What about the sight(s) retuning to target?
Running a Desert Eagle in a competition would be hilarious. Of course, you’re a big guy who would do better at it than a smaller statured fellow. I say go for it, David. You would look like a boss.
I was interested in getting a tungsten guide rod after this video, but they don’t make them for any pistols I have; Glock 19X and a PDP 4” Compact. I’ll stick with ZR Tactical’s fat boy guide rods for now. That said, I am kind of amazed how much smoother the 15# spring and a fat steel guide rod made my PDP. This shit is real.
funny, I too have been watching my slow motion footage and have found that the WML is destabilizing my control. I thought it would be the other way around. its like its mimicking the recoils spring being to heavy. could that be the recoil spring is just right without the light and too heavy with the light?
Do it! Run a competition with a Dad Eagle, it will be a thing of legend! If anyone can make that happen it’s you! Also, please pick one in a Hollywood Bling color!
