How Marvel Got Boring 

What creative people. The creativeness crashed first. The strike is because the economy sucks.

​@@kerwinbrown4180Do you have a single fact to back that up?

@@TheInevitableHulk Did you listen to the video which made just that point? They even proposed a hypothesis about why it crashed.

studios still ACTED surprised... Well said🙃

Its needed for insurance claim

Tell that to stable diffusion bub

Artists have always used tools to express themselves, and algorithms can be developed by non-capitalist entities.

​​@@forrest_wilkinshahahahaha, show us at least one 😂 Every company cares about profits foremost, everything else secondly

the neural networks of future decades will be drinking your creative milkshake

@@123shotas I've done alright for myself working as an attraction for big buisnesses so I guess that's one for you

This. 💯% this.

Missing Jared too

Me too! Those are what got me onto Wisecrack in the first place

@larissawest3847 Yeah same here. I don't come to the channel so often anymore, not that the new video topics are bad, but I miss the mixing of pop culture, media analysis and philosophy

I miss deep or dumb!!!

Yyyeesssssss

Todd McFarlane, the guy who revitalized Spiderman in the 90's and went on to form Image comics summed up being a creative in a corporate world best. When he started working on Spiderman, no one still cared about the comic at the time, so Marvel just let him do whatever he wanted with it. It became a hit, so as a result, Marvel became really controlling with the character, took away creative control, the thing that made it popular in the first place

It also happened in the Game of Thrones clones. They took the wrong lesson on what made it good and produced some boring ass copies like Marco Polo from Netflix.

5. They are controlled mostly by a few people. Unions are the only way to effectively have leverage for the MAJORITY of people that work in Hollywood. Without unions a lot of these people wouldn't be able to have long-term careers in the business; it's too dirty and filled with a few rich names that have the most power.

Agree, this whole Hollywood situation is what is causing creativity to go to waste for now. Hollywood is now becoming the worst place to work in history. They don't care about art and their employees, all they care about is the money, their stocks and investors more than the projects they greenlit and publish. It's becoming nothing but a joke, a depressing idiotic joke. If you're planning to joined them, don't think on doing it, 'cause it will only crush your dreams and never allow you're ideas to become reality. if you wanna become an actor, artist, producer, animator or/and filmmaker, go make you're own studio and find people who can help you. It's time for indie filmmakers and indie animators to rise up. We don't need hollywood to do our jobs, we can do it all by ourselves with NO corporations in control of us. Spread the word and don't let them take your dreams and ideas down. I also really like public domain too 'cause it gives content creators and filmmakers/artists liberties on creating something that they might enjoy. Sure, they might be some who just want to make or adapt other IPs into crappy projects for the sake gaining money but NOT everyone are like that; they are other content creators out there who want to create something that they are passionate about and show how much they actually do care and love the IP we grow up with. If everything turned public domain within 14 or 4 years, I would make a Lion King, Super Mario or Marvel film/series with my own ideas with endless possbilities and apportunities.

They sell. The majority of human beings are tasteless morons. Making good art isn't necessary to generate revenue.

@@KaleighCee the real danger is when they realize movies aren't working anymore to pacify the populace...

Yeah these blockbusters are investments, not art. Its like going to McDonalds, you already what predictable mediocre shit you are going to get but the masses still think its good enough and here we are.

Yes it's always been that way, but there's been a dramatic shift recently and movies no longer feel like the director's medium, it feels like the studio's medium. It feels like the studio is making the movie and the directors are just consultants. In fact we've heard directors turn down Marvel and Lucasfilm because they feel this way. I think this is because of the multiverse inter-connectivity, directors have so little leg room to do what they want, they just obey whatever Feige and Kennedy tell them word for word.

I think casual gamers are way more fickle than casual movie goers. So in video games the risk/reward are both much higher. We still have some big profile risk takers, e.g. Kojima with Death Stranding. But due to increased complexities of game development we don;t just end up with boring regurgitated slop like e.g. Marvel puts out. Instead we get borderline unusable abandon-ware like Anthem.

​@@Eagle3302PLAlso, because of the time sinvestment a game can represent I think the more casual gamer gives more weight on player/viewer reviews, which puts more influence in the hands of the average avid gamer as opposed to the average film buff. A game that gets reviewbombed suffers more than a film which gets the same treattment

@@Eagle3302PL Kojima and DS was not even close to a risk - it was him making a Sony game, and it was most def not the most expensive film, I mean game that he made. If you want actually risk, dont look at anything Sony makes - this aint 20 years ago.

Just about everything has become garbage in the last few years. It started before the pandemic but it has definitely been ramping up recently. Some indie games are ok but I hate buying games that don't offer a demo. And for most games even the indie ones there are micro transactions. I would love if they made a new elder scrolls or Kotor game but it's like all we get are rereleases, shooting games, sports/racing games. The outer worlds was probably the last fun AAA game I played and that seems like an eternity ago.

@@Eagle3302PLpeople still buy 2k and madden, that’s not a small portion of casual gamers. I think that video game companies aren’t forced to make creative shit, so they can keep pumping out crap like this, GTA V was genius in 2013 so they should leave it to rest in 2024 😭

Indeed. I've been finding myself visiting book stores and libraries more rather than less because part of what makes media so enjoyable is serendipity. Don't get me wrong, I've read and watched 'top ten books and movies' lists in the past. Nobody wants to be swindled or invest their time in something interesting. But if you're try to find something new, or something new to you, there's really no choice but to take a risk. And I suppose, in a weird way, that's kinda what makes the whole data based marketing so unpleasant, eventually what can it due but feast upon itself.?

Nah im sick of superheroes in general pretty much 70% of whats in theaters now or its a remake or sequel of something that was done better in the past

​@@venicec3310 I think it's the sheer rate of production rather than the overall quantity of Super Hero movies that's leading to the sense of fatigue. That is to say, nobody is looking at the last 15 years of MCU films and thinking 'oh god I'm so fatigued' they're thinking about the fact that, between the MCU films, the limited series, the sony films, the DCU films, and the DCU series, we're getting like six major super hero productions a year now. None of them have time to breath. None of them have time to feel special. And many of them are designs to segue directly into the next project as an advertisement for and advertisement for an advertisement. Part of the reason I think Barbie and Openheimer were so celebrated this summer, they were very good movies, was also just that they weren't Super Hero movies. They were a moody biopic and a light surrealist social commentary. They both felt like a breath of fresh air.

​@@BustermachineI _wholeheartedly_ agree. :3.

I am sick of superheroes.

Speak for yourself. I've been sick of literally all superhero movies for over a decade now. What made superhero movies fun back in the day was that they were only an occasional thing. When every big movie is a superhero movie then there's nothing special about any of them.

Bill was so correct but yet online film culture is nothing but people quoting axioms they think are absolutes about every aspect of film making.

The algorithm isn't anything new either. Before it became a big thing, there were two guys that were sure they could categorize all blockbusters and oscar winners into a formula that would be sold to Hollywood in order to make hit movie after hit movie. This was catalogued in a one of Malcolm Gladwell's books if I remember right. It was brief, but these two dudes were so secretive that they were so close to finding the secret sauce into what makes a hit film. I doubt they made anything with the idea.

the best example of this is watching an action/comic book movie like Robocop, starship troopers or Dredd(2012) and comparing it to anything Marvel has produced in the least 5 years. The former are original, philosophical, thought-provoking, serious and badass masterpieces aimed at adults while the latter are , like you said, formulaic crap that tries to cram in as many cheesy corny quips/jokes as possible aimed at teens. also those marvel movies are filled with pro- law enforcement and pro-military industrial complex messaging.

It’s not actually that hard. People just don’t care.

The Creators looks great that's next and some horror movies looks grewts

what frustrates me is when we do get original creative stories, the algorithm decides to cancel them because the metrics showed it wasn't popular. 1899 on Netflix was a really well made, original and creative show from two creators who made the best show on Netflix (Dark) and they couldn't get a second season because the metrics that netflix uses to track popularity deemed it wasn't popular enough. Allowing data and metrics to dictate art will always end badly. Art cannot be calculated based on metrics and data.

the tip of the "iceberg" of movies has been dominated by formulaic crap for decades; but below the surface are all kinds of movies that violate the formula. I feel like less and less people are cinephiles, so less of the interesting stuff is unearthed and discussed, and sometimes finding the subterranean gems yourself can feel like searching for a needle in a haystack.

Did you just call your own work garbage? Yikes.

@@xczechrdid you just miss the whole point of this comment? yikes 😬

You’re a good writer at least, enjoyed reading your comment

@@elmerglue21 Thank you! I appreciate that!

I concur! I vote for this comment 2️⃣

So say we all.

What's Chaos Theory?

Multiple possible results from the same initial conditions. @@kittykittybangbang9367

I also like snickers

Amusingly, the theory that you are describing reminds me of what the Pythagorean cult believed. That everything in reality could be defined in numbers/mathematics (or something like that).

Your sacrifice is appreciated.

The algorithms are actually just copying the things the studio controls and not the people who make the movies. They're not copying the actors, the writers, or even the directors. They're copying marketing and franchise IP. Studios use AI to farm movie ideas minus creative talent so they don't have to rely on people who can do what executives can't. There's an article on Variety that was about the early production of Secret Invasion talking about how Marvel has writer's rooms but then puts a junior executive with no storytelling experience in charge to throw out scripts and demand revisions without knowing what a good script is or how it's written.

Daniel, the same could be aid about society at large. Authoritarians try to limit chaos in their society without realising that chaos sparks creativity. The only reason Xi's China has done so well is that the population is too big to control, so there's still plenty of healthy chaos in the country. By comparison, NK is a disaster because Kim has eliminated anything unpredictable (aside from himself) and the nation is hopelessly stagnant - kind of like Hollywood ATM.

It can happen

The end goal of Capitalism is to have the billionaires own everything, have the billionaires' servants run everything, and have the rest of the population reduced to the level of working poor or unemployable lumpen. Marx was right. Destroy Capitalism before it destroys humanity.

Very good idea.

You misspelled "nineties"

Actually, late 90s

that's why The Matrix simulation of Earth is set in that era

There were algorithms, it's just that back then the data was about companies not individuals, now everyone willingly gives away all their behavioural data and corporations gladly take it to generate models.

He’s a fxcking PIE pirate

Ruined superhero movies

Quite the opposite

​@@VoteBidentoSaveDemocracyby making the few good ones?

@nalday2534 I would necessarily call The Suicide Squad good. I enjoyed it, but I'll watch anything that is adjacent to Batman.

He's already announced it will be "The Movie Critic" and set in 1977. Which probably means it will be a lament about how Star Wars is going to kill movies by forcing every studio to get and keep a recipe for a hit movie. In other words, an algorithm.

I'd say the problem has been around even longer in animation. Disney practically patented the formula of derivative IPs and uninspired sequels.

How did you post these emojis

While I agree with you about the repetition and predicability of the movies I don't really agree with you about the shows. The Marvel shows are arguable more experimental than the movies ever have been however, they are struggling because Marvel over hedged their bets on tying the MCU chronology to the shows and shows are simply harder to keep up with than the movies where. If you don't already have Disney Plus or have it but didn't watch Wanda Vision, or Loki, or Falcon and the Winter Soldier when they first dropped then it makes going to the movies feel like added homework. So you missed Wanda Vision? Too bad because Dr. Strange and the Multiverse is supposed to pick up where that show left off and you gotta binge watch 8 hours of tv to get caught up. Oh! But wait! we just dropped Moon Knight and Ms. Mravel on Disney Plus and we got a The Marvel's movie coming out later and you're interested in that right?? It's a classic case of resting on their laurels pumping out content assuming the audience is there for it. Audiences will continue to like superheros, we just don't want what these studio are doing with them.

@@CitizenKen1 I did watch Wanda Vision and when it first came out

@@kylea8795 Buddy, that was a hypothetical. I never claimed you didn't. Just pointing out that many did miss out and Marvel's shows/movies where releasing at pace that makes it impossible to keep up with.

@@CitizenKen1 lol they missed that entire thing and yeah disney has realized this, thats why they fired chapek and rehired iger. it'll come back to quality over quantity.

Where was it said the Daredevil series would be like the Netflix show? Charlie Cox has said the exact opposite.

Same here. It is the only movie I'm looking forward to seeing.

We wanna do them! Just need folks to watch them.

​@@WisecrackEDUWe are watching and Liking 😅

I think even I couldn't totally sell out for the bag. Especially now that I have a kid. Can't have her thinking that daddy is a spineless sellout.

@@WisecrackEDU spineless sellout, WITH CHEESE, Mr. Squidward...

So we're not a major studio but a small RU-vid channel so if we don't have views we can't make money and then the four of us will lose our jobs and the channel won't exist.

​@@WisecrackEDU Of course! I don't blame you for that at all, just thought it was a funny observation similar to how Gunn reset the DCEU the same way the High Evolutionary resets his worlds. Obviously Disney can take more financial risks than you, but the algorithm is inescapable for giant corporations AND smaller creators.

@@David_Burt_Art It's escapable for giant corporations because they have the means to take risks. They also often can systemically influence "what performs well". But due to the nature of stocks and the stock market, any publicly traded company is focused on safety and quarterly goals rather than long term sustainability. They preach about long term planning and diversifying because that's what investors like to hear, but in reality they're slowly, boringly, and safely, accumulating capital. Sometimes they even sabotage innovation, by intentionally making a garbage products or decisions, so people have to settle for the option that the corporation actually wants to sell. Apple is notorious for this. The idea is to pivot the public demand away from some product category, because the other category is more profitable.

As a trilogy it didn't quite work because GotG2 was very Quill focused and not much occurred otherwise for the Guardians as a whole in the MCU between the two movies. Felt like their should've been another movie beforehand. Gunn did his best though to bridge it

So true, they just finished it off showing how the team spilt up and how they had to go their separate ways, it didn't matter which way they're going and to what end, we gotta just accept "this is the way".

Did you like endgame?

@@Toidalyes exactly!!!! Like Gamora’s plot felt like an afterthought, and they didn’t explain at all how she got there. I wanted more for her and Nebula.

⁠@@Vicky-ke4esyes it feel forced! Narratively it just didn’t feel like an ending to see all of the characters starting new adventures, and if this is truly the end for them, I will be pissed.

You sound like an algorithm as described in this video.

Marvel comics aren't that good either

algorithms don't care about morality, they care about money.

The algorithms care what the people controlling them care about. Most of the time that is money but we're seeing more and more out of hollywood that they're absolutely willing to sacrifice the money if it means they get to spread their message.

@@WisecrackEDU, true, I'm just trolling. Amazing video, btw!