How Much Better is BeamNG with a GOOD Setup? 

i manage to reduce the oversteer in group B version even you drive with a keyboard. now we can floor the gas pedal when launching the car from a full stop. but the problem with 80's aero is they don't have enough ground effect because they aim the top speed. that make when you go up and down from hill or bump the car doesn't want to stick to the ground. ultimately make all of the settings useless.

make you have to really slow down to control it

Yes, the Rallye Asphalt version has a hugely better setup to begin with - I managed to get a 7:45 and I'm not really a very good nordschleife driver

I'm not even sure where I'd start with the Bolide. It just needs aero bits that actually work to begin with, then maybe some actual brakes, and then some magical way to tune out both the under and oversteer that somehow happen at exactly the same time

@@Ermz i wouldnt tune bolide gr 5 at all. It is realistic, thats how these cars handle irl

I doubt that their most of their 6k average players have sim racing background. Racedepartment, Bsimracing and others are still not covering it either, but games like Kartkraft with a fraction of a user base. I guess Jimmy Broadbent and Ermin are helping a lot to change that, but the playerbase was strong before and probably more the simcade gamepad player. I guess the FFB in BeamNG eats Thrustmaster and Logitech wheels for breakfast and is potentially lethal with a SC2. No triple screen support, no VR, no multiplayer racing, no proper AI racing, very odd cockpit view etc. It was designed as a fun casual crash game without any sim racing in mind first.

@@Leynad778 Allow me to clarify: People who complain about the understeer and such are surely coming from a sim racing background.

@@cmbaileytstc Understeer is a typical character of setups made for gamepad, since they can go full lock to lock without snap oversteer. There also seems some kind of inertia or sluggishness in the steering rack that fits better for gamepads. When the game was released first, sim racing was a very small niche market while now it's likely bigger on PC than casual racing games.

@@Leynad778 It has the same triple screen support as the CM titles, and a bunch of other sims, and the cockpit view is entirely adjustable. I've never heard anyone say the cockpit view is very odd, what's odd about it? It was also actually designed as a physics sandbox. A fun casual crash game would be like Burnout or Dirt Showdown. The argument about controller support is kind of moot when it's actually kind of awful. By default the game will let you go lock to lock at speed in ~1 second which instantly makes the tires slip and you just go in a straight line. The best you can do is try and adjust the allowable amount of steering input based on speed, but that changes for every car. That point also makes me heavily question your "sluggishness" in the steering rack, that isn't a thing at all.

A. This isn't a road car, it's a time attack tune B. even the road cars, from a road car perspective, are kind of shit. A lot of Beams cars drive so horribly that they would be known as suicidal if they actually existed. They slip and spin for no reason, or constantly understeer even on mid-speed corners leading you into the guard rail or off a cliff.

This channel has 60k subs 😂 not going to affect the player base at all

@@MV-ri7zu yeah plus beamng it's famous af, not an unknown game at all.

@@SpecterNeverSpectator depends on how we look at it tbh: for casuals? Hell yes it's popular. But for simracers? I think Ermin helps a lot in that regard as people see the untapped potential of BnG

That's one of my favorite things to do, combine tuning with mods and that's one of the main things thats kept me entertained for 1500+ hours of play time

@@JoshuaPlays99 official multiplayer and another city based map for street racing this game would be a great online experience too. I love ripping around the highway in a fart cannon of a car. Would be cool to compare biulds online with other community members

How do you swap out parts? I can't seem to be able to change any meaningful performance changing parts in the car config screen

@@Puhdull press Ctrl + W (the vehicle config menu) and then change any part that you like, remember that you have to go through filters like "Body" to get to something like the engine.

@@pallav8725 Thanks! I got it figured it out. For some reason the new Bolide's menu is kinda different compared to other older cars. Any idea how to lower the horsepower of cars beyond the available parts? I would like to drive the Rally Bolide (based on a Lancia 037) but it has WAAAYYY too much horsepower. (400 compared to the 037's ~205)

I've never heard anyone say that, and a bunch of street cars also have pretty poor tuning setups. Since they have drive modes, it's one thing for the comfort setting to be squishy, but the sport cars by default also being awful is just poor. What annoys me about beam is if you just change the tune you have to save it as a new config instead of overriding the default tune, so if you fixed all the bad default tunes you'd have "twice" as many configs for no reason.

The Covet and Pessima GTz feel amazing.

a tuned covet is incredible. you get the cornering of rwd, the stability of awd, and the simplicity and easy recovery of fwd. that is with good throttle control. a lot of people get into a fwd car in beamng and mash the throttle through everything then call it bad. commitment and a good understanding of how deceleration effects weight transfer goes a long way with fwd.

I have no idea what is everybody talking about, I don't have the game or ever drove a car, can someone explain what do yall mean with both a "driving style" and "tuning it" I mean, I know it means changing it, but changing what exactly.

@@SpecterNeverSpectator mostly hardness of dampers and spring and the camber and toe in. (Basically the angle of the wheels)

I like to think of default setups as stock cars: they're there so you can suit them better to your liking. Plus they give you an idea of what you might want It's really apparent when you go into multiplayer and see someone with a default setup and immediately know they most likely aren't a good driver since they didn't bother to tune it

His newest video goes in depth for it.

nah, when it comes to the racecars they’re fucking garbage. some of these tunes are especially bad on RWD racecars that oversteer like crazy, making them very difficult to drive

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@Hatwox no shit, i fly me262s in beamng

@Hatwox yes shit

It's realistic and rudimental at the same time, the way cars respond at speed is pretty realistic but also airflow isn't properly simulated, so slipstream and dirty air don't exist

Seems like Kerbal aerodynamics. Good for the fundamentals but there's plenty of cheats and hacks due to the simplicity of the model (actual aero is crazy complex!!)

nah. its got a very cool and well grounded physics system but it's not a racing sim, the driving and details are not enough

@@user-wq9mw2xz3j The only thing missing is literally tyre wear and expansion due to temperature lmao

@@user-wq9mw2xz3j It's a car sandbox driving sim. It isn't meant to be a racing sim.

@@maarten3225 i know. but some people seem to think that just because it's got in depth physics that it translates well/realistically to racing. I mean, even driving a normal car is not really realistic at all either. It's mostly for crashing

@@user-wq9mw2xz3j That's old 2017 beamng, not anymore lol, "It's mostly for crashing" is the uneducated 12 year old pleb opinion by people who think iracing is the peak of simulation

You could definitely make a huge difference this way. Just switching to an AWD drivetrain would be massive. There's so much more to lap times than raw power.

I know this is like a year ago, but this is basically my favourite thing to do in beam. I'll start with the cheap variant of a car (I've recently been liking the Soliad Wendover) and try one circuit of one race-track, then make small incremental improvments. Like starting by just getting rid of everything unnecesary like passenger and rear seats, door panels etc. Then improve tires, and perhaps the sway bars. Then a small power increase, etc. until it's a full blown race car, each time knocking a second or two off the lap time. It's useful for me because I'm not a great driver (using a gamepad doesn't help) so I can build the car to be comfortable to handle as I improve the lap times.

@@Somerandom1922ik this has been a year ago but what do you do for your game controller settings to feel more real like forza my tires feel like they snap each way

The Nordschleife is the best track for everything.

@@Ermz ok, 1:0 for you

Me too!

​@@Ermz LOL! Idk how to fix the differential

The factory Bolide has become very nice. It has just enough understeer to protect the uninitiated. But that doesn't mean it's not gonna oversteer. It is but only if you're looking for it or if you overdo it. But, in general, it has become a neutral handling car.

I've been slowly working on a Group 5 tune for the Nur. The suspension geometry is all weird and it's hard to compensate for mid engine understeer, snap oversteer, turbo lag and stability all within one tune. I'll post an update here if I manage to make a good tune. So far, I've managed to make a very controllable short track (West Coast, Hirochi, etc.) variant, but the bumps and high speed sections on the Nord are interesting to tune for.

Lmao. Just increase drag.

Maybe 2 or 3. You can stop the car after every couple of corners in Freeroam and adjust as you go.

There is no such thing as a "perfect race tune", both in simulators and in real life. Just about every simulator out there requires that the player make per-track alterations for each racetrack they go on. Even things like ambient temperature, humidity and wind speed can have massive effects on what was a veritable weapon of a setup the day before. You have to tune the car for the most common type of corner on a given track; what makes a car good on low-speed turns can make it jittery on high-speed turns and vice versa. Things like toe-in and camber can make for cars that are agile in any corner but would suffer for it on the straights, or stable on the back straight, but not unstable enough to really throw the car into a corner. Some turns have positive cambering (think the carousel), others are level and others have negative camber, where the road falls away from the apex. On a race track with all three, which of those three types of turn do you prioritise, knowing specialising in one will ruin the car's pace and handling characteristics the other two? Or do you compromise and get something that is only decent, hoping your sacrifice in specific pace is made up for in gains made to your overall pace? And what you consider the "perfect setup" might be undrivable to someone else, whilst you might have a setup that costs you seconds a lap, only to find that someone else is holding lap-records with that same tune. It could even be that the gap between the first five spots on a fastest laps board are wildly differing setups, with the only difference between all three being human error. And how do you find the perfect setup? You run 100 laps of a track, finding the average delta. You tweak something. If it's faster you keep the tweak and modify something else. If it's slower you undo the change and modify something else. That can take weeks to get right, weeks the developer could instead spend refining the core code of the game. There is no such thing as a perfect setup - just one you keep tweaking until every tweak makes it slower. And even then, there will be someone who has a faster setup than you do. And there is very good documentation on suspension setups. Oftentimes, it can be just a google search away suspensionspot.com/blogs/news/definitive-guide-to-suspension-tuning

@@XandreUK That's not really true. Maybe at the highest echelons of race teams, but no one on race team is going out for qualifying and doing an entire re-tune of their car. You're going to have a decent baseline setup which works well on most tracks, which Beam absolutely doesn't, and then adjust some minor things per track. Short track? Lower gear ratio, no one messes with individual gears. Long track? Longer gear ratio. Maybe adjust the aero up or down and ride height. Minor things you can change quickly, you're not changing every facet per track. That kind of stuff only happens in sims.

@@JZStudiosonline I didn't say a team would do qualifying and tweak the entire car afterwards. Even then, few motorsports allow such a thing. I'm guessing you were basing that on my "Weapon of a set up the day before" line. The point I was trying to get across is that weather conditions entirely outside your control might turn your car from a top-5 runner on Saturday to a bottom-5 scrub on Sunday. The overall point I was trying to make, is that an excellent baseline setup takes a very long time to figure out. Sure, you might make minor changes per track, but the major core setup that you will work with and tweak for an entire season is often finalised during long testing periods, and if you are sticking with the same car, or an annualised update thereof, then you have an entire season of data and driver feedback to work off of. Even the BTCC has at least one pre-season test day when there are no major regulation changes, and it's more or less a guarantee that a lot of teams will have some kind of simulator on-hand to figure things out beforehand. Which leads to my next point; when Gran Turismo, or Forza, or Assetto Corsa release a new car, they have a good baseline because in most of these cases, the dev team would have been given notes on how the car was set up in the real world, and if the simulator in question is accurate enough, then there is less need for a massive amount of work to get it right. The reason Assetto Corsa, Gran Turismo and Forza have such good baselines, is because when they licensed, for example, the Opel Astra Touring Car, they would have been given the car's baseline setup, or a track specific setup as part of the deal. The studio has real-world data to work with. And the auto makers would have supplied that data because they wouldn't want the touring car licensed to appear in one of these games to handle like a 1960s muscle car on ice in the corners, as it would be a misrepresentation of the car's actual performance. Now, where is the real-world data for the Civetta Bolide? The Hirochi Sunburst? These cars may have taken design cues from real-world cars, but the correct suspension setups would still have to be unique based on the distinct layouts of each car, because the wheelbase, weight distribution, stiffness of chassis and even exact mounting point of the engine in comparison to the axle can ALL have massive effects on how a car handles. You can get a good baseline comfort and even sport suspension setup based on similar real-world car data because the general requirements for comfortable ride and slightly sportier suspension are surprisingly similar when dealing with such broad strokes. Even then, most players will be more forgiving of a less-than-ideal handling setup on a comfort or sport model because the cruiser was never meant to hoon around a track at full speed, and the sport models of a car are often a case of slightly stiffer suspension and slightly more power. BeamNG's setups are as poor as they are because I suspect the developers would rather spend eight hours fixing an issue with the tyre simulation than taking the Bolide around a track for eight hours to zero in on the perfect setup, only for the serious racers in the community to scrap their work and start fresh. Again, as I said in my prior comment, what YOU consider a good baseline might be utter trash for someone else. If you're at the point of grousing about poor suspension setups in BeamNG, you're probably good enough to tweak the setup yourself, or willing to learn how to tweak the setup yourself. And what might work for you, might be undrivable for someone else.

@@XandreUK Wow, that's a lot. But I know from experience that Assetto Corsa and Forza do not have good baseline setups. If that was the case in Forza, your first upgrade every time wouldn't be adjustable suspension and diffs. A lot of the higher end sports and race cars are terrible, but they mostly get a pass for slower cars since it's much less evident. The only game I've seen that has good default setups is PC2, where road cars have OEM setups along with a "loose" and... what was the other term? It's been a while. Either way, they actually have decent default setups. Assetto Corsa frequently just has values in the middle of it's setup options, and a lot of cars don't even have adjustable settings.

​@@JZStudiosonline The majority of tracks in Forza will see the biggest benefit from better suspension - it is fair to say that in most cases above A, possibly even B class, investing 15,000cr in suspension and diff will get more overall laptime than 15,000cr in speed parts. The reason most folk got for race diff/suspension is simple - it gives the biggest gain possible and as far as I can tell, is only slightly more expensive. In a game where performance is boiled down to a numerical representation, it makes sense to always buy the racing suspension and differential because both offer the highest gains in handling, launch and braking, at which point you then start putting on speed parts. Because at the end of the day, a high top speed is useless if you can never REACH that top speed. And being 30mp/h faster than the other guy down the back straight is useless when that speed advantage only ever lets you catch back up to their rear bumper. Assetto Corsa was made by people who make simulators for those very upper echelon teams you mentioned, so the baseline setups would have been provided by some very competent engineers. When it comes to the race cars, you would be surprised as to how much setup work actually goes into making a car go fast. Ironically, AC's default setups are widely considered to be amongst the better defaults in the hardcore sim scene. As for most of the cars having limited tuning ability, well a lot of the cars are road cars. They don't have a lot of room for modification in the first place. And as for your "OEM setups" claim, I'm pretty sure that the road cars in AC also have OEM suspension setups. Project Cars 2 is not as hardcore a simulator as BeamNG or Assetto Corsa; if you want a good example of this then fire up the Lotus 98T in both games; even with the default setup, at full boost you would actually spin out in place from the torque steer in AC, but does not happen in PC2. If you just booted the throttle in a 98T in real life, you'd spin out in a very similar fashion. If anything, I would place Project Cars 2 in the same vein as Race Driver: Grid, in that it is not as fully realistic as AC but not as arcade as a Need for Speed game. What PC2 does well is the immersion factor; few other Sims I've driven are as enjoyable in the first-person view out of the box as PC2, but as a serious racing simulator? It's not even a contender. It's actually impossible for a high-fidelity simulator to provide excellent "default setups" because every driver wants something different out of a car. It's why some struggle in an on-meta car in ACC yet are capable of almost comical over-performance in what could be considered a rather poor car for the track. If anything, I think default setups are meant to be deliberately safe and slow; something that new drivers can be consistent with and still see themselves growing, and which will encourage them to start working on setups themselves when they realise the car isn't understeering because of what they're doing.

Yes, finally someone, who treats beamng like a sim racing game, and not a crashing sim

That's a good question. The setup is made for a wheel, so they would need to not be driving on a gamepad for it to make sense.

@@Ermz i downloaded nurburgring map some days ago and my only finish time was 200bx track, around 8 mins. I am playing on wheel g29

smooth multiplayer rn would require really high end computers

@@zerozero_73 It doesn't, I've played the BeamMP mod on my low end computer and it runs great. It's completely possible to get a proper multiplayer working on any PC that can run the game

@@RetroPlus that’s not exactly what I mean, it’s not exactly smooth with everyone constantly changing cars/tuning. And the damage on people’s cars are not synced a lot of the times

Beam Aero is weird. It looks at the vector of each face and uses that to calculate aero, which is actually pretty good. They did say though that occlusion doesn't work, so something like the hood has aero impacting it, but so does the flange the hood sits on, which shouldn't.

Similar thing with my g27, constant force until i go in a corner then steering goes light and undetailed. and its not inverted

Does FFB "fight" you when you try to turn?

@@Sithhy not to me.

@@Sithhy yes and no ... im only a kid and at max i think 8 nm isnt too strong

@@BuddaDrifts Could you perhaps try lowering the overall gain (strength) of the FFB in the Fanatec software? Just to see what happens then. Also, does that weird feeling appear only when the car is stationary or also while moving?

Ooh, I do like touring cars. The old ETK one is amazing.

Yes!

@@Ermz thank you :)

But... isnt that how real cars handle dough?

The reason why some cars feel floaty is either because the car is too heavy with too much power with the earo not producing enough downforce and the heavy handling is usually just with the suspension and alot of people prefer it that way irl (and Im talking bout irl cars, beamng cars have gotten better over the years and they nailed the handling and weight transfer aspect, the earodynamic physics is decent though lacking in some cars)

" its really more of a physics sandbox with cars" isn't doing justice to everything the team has done to the game. That might have been an accurate description of the game two or three years ago, but with how much they focus on the driving physics, and the recent updates to the tyre model it's really not fair to say that anymore. "it's a crash sim" has become the 12 year old's take on BeamNG, while sim racing connoisseurs recognize its value.

That'd be me. Getting a few seconds quicker than 7:16 is doable even on gamepad with stock tune (Ermin's lap without errors was on pace for that too, to be fair). Still, the default brake bias on cars is often hilariously bad given it takes literally a single minute to dial in, and the amount of full commit throttle steer needed to prevent understeer in this Bastion's stock tune is a big ask for some people

@@Serzari Sorry for no credit, couldn't remember the name ans wasn't going to butcher it.