How Much DEX Would Spider-Man Have? | Baldur's Gate 3 

1 DEX: tries to drink from a glass and water drools down the side. 20 DEX: successfully pees against the wind.

I wanna show up to a table with this character, and look a DM dead in the eyes. "Yeah, I rolled these naturally. It was very lucky."

Spiderman is what happens when you're not trying to make a supersoldier and then accidentally make a supersoldier.

"spiderman failing a dex roll" buddy, with a bonus of 25, the lowest he can roll is 26. even on a critical fail, he's still hitting higher than most characters can get on a good day.

The interesting thing about daredevil and his perception is that it is well within D&D. Because blindsight, while rare, is a thing in that game. Spiderman is above and beyond in perception even when considering blindsight.

Honestly if we are going try to keep Spider-Man’s DEX at 30, then he should also always have Advantage because of his Spider Sense.

Spiderman actually breaks every single attribute...except arguably charisma.

I would actually equate Spidey's Spider-Sense less to a high perception and more to a sort of built-in blindsight, though it depends on which spidey we're talking. Some media describes it as the way spiders can use fine hairs on their body to detect changes in airflow, while others literally just describe it as like a mystical force, so its definitely up to interpretation

You could have infinite dexterity and still slip on the ice surfaces one of your teammates created at the worst time.

Dexterity is definitely Spidey's key attribute score, and as you pointed out, his strength score is also clearly above 20, but he's also really high on ALL his stats. Peter Parker is canonically one of the smartest people in the Marvel universe. He's a certified supergenius who builds all his own tech and has a cutting edge understanding of every field from molecular biology to particle physics, so his INT score is probably as high as or even higher than his STR. His CON score is at least complementary to his strength score, since he is shown to be able to take a serious beating. He can't just throw a car, he can have one thrown at him and keep fighting. His CHA score is also really high, though probably not above 20. He makes constant use of Vicious Mockery in battle, to great effect. His constant quipping reliably gets under his enemies' skin and keeps them off center. Really the only stat he has that might be in the normal range is Wisdom, and...well...he's from Queens, so at least he has street smarts.

Okay, so this just occured to me. You mentioned that Daredevil slips in and out of the shadows. But... how does he know there's a shadow? And now I can't stop imagining him sitting in a corner that he believes is shrouded in darkness, but is actually fully illuminated.

"What is his dex stat?" The dm with the homebrew boss: *Yes*

9:30 Imaginary Axis made a calculation on Spider-man's lift power. In one of the older comics he was capable to momentairly lift and crawl out of aprox. 50+ metric tonnes of rock and steel. Admittedly, this was the biggest example of calculable feat and it was the a strain to his absolute limits at the time. And he performed this in his late teens or at the verge of his twenties, so Spidey still had some room to grow even stronger. So yes, Spider-man is a lot stronger than most ppl give him credit for. And durable. Peter literally rolls with the punches of normal humans solely to not break their wrists. Or so the story goes.

You a madman if you do all the attributes. Good luck with Charisma and Wisdom

I know that you justified it later on, but those DCs aren’t based on a human standard, when it says “nearly impossible” it isn’t referencing the human limit, it is talking about what even physically is possible to happen, that’s why it is considered a difficulty worthy of a god. So yeah, Spidey *would* have his points near 30 and proficiency *would* help him go even further (he could even have expertise on those skills since he qualifies for both rogue and bard lol), but gods have their cap around the 30s and you implying Spider Man is at least twice as powerful as a god feels really weird

Spiderman could be as well as a lv 20 Monk with 26 Strength, 30 Dexterity and 30 Wisdom, with expertise in athletic, acrobatic, insight and perception. Which would make his acrobatic, insight and perception check a +22, which is not that far off from +25. Monk also have Evasion feature which would let him dodge explosions, taking no damage on a successful save that require a Dex save. Spider Sense can act as the Alert and Observant feat, making it impossible to sneak on him.

I think Danny MacAskill is probably a real-life representation of 20 Dex.

There is already a precedent within the 5e rules to include a bonus from a mental stat to increase a characters reaction (initiative) bonus. See Wizard War and Ranger Gloomstalker for adding Int or Wis to initiative, and of course the Alert feat. Given your comment on Spidey's insane wisdom score with his Spidey Sense, it'd make sense to me that he could include his Wisdom modifier on any Dex checks too.

I think its more fair to give him 30 on Dexterity and Wisdom and an ability to add Wisdom modifyer to dex checks which would represent his Spider Sense

Dex proficiency bonus - Spider-Man condition - breathing.

I remember looking up spidermans stats in marvel. And deciding to transfer that data into 3.5 dnd. And I did end up with something very similar. Super heroes and villains are just that. Super, Based upon how lifting worked in 3.5 it ended around 60-70ish range for str for spiderman which is godly back then. And I based that upon lifting tonnage over head. Now I lost the sheets long ago but it gave a good idea of just how amazing spiderman is. And I do remember his dex ending up around 50s in 3.5 *yes spiderman is stronger then he is dexy. His strength is beyond what most people expect* Now I do not have the exact math on me as its lost long ago for all this but, Your numbers seem to check out to something very similar to rough memory of my own past experiments :D.

His spider scene allows him to dodge bullets.

Remember there are more ways to represent consistency in doing godly feats. If we, for example, gave Spiderman expertise in acrobatics, a +6 proficiency bonus, and reliable talent then he'd only need a Dex of 26 to be unable to roll below a 30. Definitely give him Unarmored Defence (Monk) as well, and permanent Danger Sense (Barbarian).

I think the heroic bonus is perfect. During scenes of "hanging out" he gets 'surprised' but not during life or death. I love that add and would be a great build for a DMNPC.

spiderman does have the advantage of basically a permanent foresight spell cast on him at all times.

you've struck gold with this kind of content and I'm looking forward future Marvel/DC characters DND scaling

Here's an option, in official WotC content there are a couple cases where a character feature allows a bonus from one stat to enhance another. The one that springs to mind right now is the Fey Wanderer Ranger subclass. With the Fey Wanderer, you are able to add your WIS mod to any CHA skill check. Notice that in this case, the WIS mod isn't replacing the CHA mod. It's being added. So back to Spidey. I think the mechanic you're looking for is already in the game and doesn't break the 30 cap rules. The core of Spidey's power is a 30 Wisdom score, where that modifier is applied to every other ability check, attack roll and saving throw he does. In addition, he's got Expertise (double proficiency bonus) in all physical skills. With this, if we give him a 20 in his physical stats, he ends up with a +27 for every physical skill check. An initiative roll is a type of ability check too, so this would essentially allow him to act first in every situation, even where someone else initiates the encounter. This could also fill in some other gaps too... that WIS mod bonus to all saves would make him almost impossible to kill, even in the most unavoidable ways. It would also explain how his willpower and information recall are so good. All this, while working within established WotC limits for their system.

I feel like reliable talent type rule for characters like this would fix a lot of it. This way, he can have limits, but only really be threatened by other suppers.

The crazy thing is - that's the Peter Parker who didn't "embrace" the spider within. The 616 version of him that did literally died, cocooned himself, and emerged practically a God. He's basically immortal. Spidey is the goat 🐐 🕷 The Spider-Man "other" series is absolutely crazy Great video, as always!!

Spidey's Perception proficiency should be HIGHER than his Dexterity modifier. Because we've seen him many time PERCEIVE a threat through his Spidy Sense, but fail to react to it in time. If his Dex mod is +25, then his passive Perception should easily be +30 or higher.

Spidey would be insane for strength too.

Or he has 30 dex with proficiency in dexterity saving throws and expertise in dexterity-based skill checks. If his proficiency is between 6-9 (probably 9 at CR 30), his dexterity skill checks are a bonus up to +28. Give him danger sense similar to barbarians for advantage to dexterity saving throws, his saves become up to +19 with advantage.

18:56 there is the lucky trait for halflings. If they roll a 1 they can reroll and take the second result. That could explain his always passing.

Spidersense is straight up a Precognition ability, its just that some spider people have stronger versions of it, and the ability can be trained to get stronger like the assassin spiderman did. Madame Web has the strongest and can straight up see the future and past with it.

Spiderman has at will "foresight"

I did something similar once for super heroes in 5e, as I thought back then that Spiderman was the strongest character in this attribute that 5e can simulate. Anyone better than him and the system implodes. I put his Dex at 30, expertise instead of proficiency in all Dex related rolls (saves and attacks included), a homebrew version of Elven Accuracy that triggers on any Dex related roll, and since there's a 9th circle spell that is basically spider sense, I gave him that efffect as well, permanently. And there's a monster (marillith) that has infinite reactions (one per turn) and 7 attacks, so I gave Spider the same infinite reactions thing, and defined that he could make 1 attack for each point of his Dex modifier. And because Rogues can't roll bellow 10 on anything they are proficient with reliable talent, I just gave that as well to any Dex roll. Lastly, I gave him a monk AC. So we're looking at a +10+12 roll in which he can roll 3 times per attack, save, or check, and he can't roll bellow 10, and any action against him is made with "elven accuracy disadvantage" (roll 3 die, pick the worst). ABSURDLY POWERFUL, and yet somehow inside the system. Beatable, if you have a lot of spellcasters.

The problem with using D&D's d20 system to represent this kind of thing is that no matter what there will always be at least a 5% chance to completely fail or succeed. That's great for a game, but not for telling a story in my opinion.

Fatigue affects him. I would say 60 is still a bit high, but as you said his abilities all work in tandem. When he gets confused (Black Cat proposing to him) his spidersense disables. I would say his dex is around 30, but he gets an ungodly amount portent dice to replace rolls granted by his spidersense.

17:40 I think the best you can get In d&d is a synergy of 4 features to emulate this & 4 expertise. E1-Insight E2 Investigation E3 Athletics E4 Acrobatics F1 Blindsight F2 you can make Investigation/perception/insight checks within the radius of blind sense F3 when you make a perception checks you can add your Investigation or insight bonus to your roll (object Investigation/person insight) F4 You gain a sense Emotion within range of blindsight This would exponentially boost the passive Inv/per/ins granting synergetic bonuses to reactions & intuitions 👍

In BG3 my 22 dex shadowmonk made a full circle of the Iron Throne freeing more than a half the prisoners in two turns, so around 200-300 meters in 6 seconds.

I'd see the few groups I've played with keeping the stats limited to 30. But there's a handful of bonuses / mechanics that one could assign to a spiderman-esque character. • Cannot critically fail Dex checks/saves, 1 becomes a "Critical Success" like 20 • Always has advantage on Dex checks/saves • Gains an extra dice for Dex advantage rolls. (rolls 3 dice for dex advantage) If there's any concern that the spiderman character in question might fumble a mundane check, in spite of overpowered Dex advantages and modifier from the 30+ stat, one could just raise the bar for the lowest rollable number that counts as a critical success. Like, "Anything between 1 and 5, and of course 20, is a critical success." Or if that's too much, giving them what was mentioned in the video, a limited number of auto-succeeds per day as legendary actions if they fail a roll. The main problem I see with actually trying to run any sort of campaign with an overpowered character like this is the same with any other overpowered character, raising the stakes and tension adequately to match. The DM would probably need to rip-off the Spiderman: Into the Spiderverse animated movie a bit. Specifically, how a spiderman's heightened perception and awareness from their spider senses can make them mentally vulnerable and on edge, causing panic attacks. Throw a bunch of psychic enemies at spiderman that mess with his mind and see what happens.

While not a western comic, One Piece was shown in this video, so I honestly think that's a great place to draw insanely high Charisma characters from. If I were to make Luffy, for example, I’d copy a short I saw, and play a Warlock flavored as him stretching(fruit themed devil was the patron listed in the short), to facilitate having a very high Charisma. All of the leaders of all of the many factions have Charisma, with Conqueror’s Haki being the weaponized force of personality of a character, which sounds like it’s just Charisma. But the most Charismatic character, who talks himself into more and more important positions, despite not wanting them, is Buggy the Clown. That man is 100% maxed out on Charisma, with an automatic success on every Cha check he doesn’t want to make. Just a suggestion for Charisma, when you eventually get there.

I would argue that spidersense doesnt count. It would be more like a divination wizards portent (both are time based powers). With spidersense peter could basically set his dex rolls to 20 on the dice, thus needing a +10 to auto achive nearly impossible challenges. A DEX score of 30 suffices (and conveniently is the 5e max).

Building a PC, I’d give Spiderman the Alert feat: he can’t be surprised. A Ring of Evasion would grant him a success for Dex saves in the rare instance he would fail after he already has evasion from Rogue, plus he would have Uncanny Dodge as well. Or Monk also gets Evasion and can use Ki to grant Dodge as a bonus action. I feel he’s probably more a Rogue like Black Widow than a Monk like Nightwing and Daredevil though - maybe Swashbuckler? Charisma bonus to initiative, can basically have the mobile feat when hitting someone; can grant adv on acrobatics and athletics checks and Rogue is more Int focused than Monk too. He could get expertise in Acrobatics, Athletics for his physical skills, Perception for his Passive and Persuasion for his “mouth” while fighting.

Spider Sense is basically a permanent Foresight spell. So he's got permanent advantage on all this too

OK, based on the official Marvel Super Heroes TTRPG Spider-Man can dodge automatic weapon fire with skill alone and beam/light weapons in conjunction with his Spider-Sense. To effectively dodge a light-based weapon from *any* reasonable distance you would essentially need to be clairvoyant bc...physics. You would also need insanely strong bones, stronger than anything we have ever discovered bc you would need to be moving your body at near light speeds to avoid said shots *if* you didn't somehow _just know_ where you needed to be to avoid the shots. When it's a villain with a weapon you could say that he just moves where the gun is not pointed, easy-peazy, but he's shown dodging when he can't see who fired what, so the thing about the assassin version basically being psychic isn't that far off. He also wouldn't be the first insect of mammal who was extremely sensitive to changes in air pressure, could smell aggressive pheromones etc.. That said, 30 would be fine. He would just have to fail about 30 times in a row on any given athletic save bc of his dodge, uncanny dodge, acrobatics, athletics, threat clairvoyance etc etc etc. Tough to fail a DC 30 save with +10+5+5 and 30 rolls.

Peter actually does math to know where to swing on the fly Everytime. He lost the spider sense a number of times and swings just fine. Miles as well

Think a lot of Spiderman's feats of agility can count as the result of mixing 20 dex with high str and a bonus on accuracy. Str not just cause he can punch hard and lift heavy things, but also in the sense that his own body weight is extremely light for him, so he can throw himself around even with just the muscles of his fingers alone. And high accuracy because he can maintain focus on specific targets despite performing complex stunts under pressure.

I’m gonna have to do some serious modifications to my monk lol

I imagined it was more like that scene from Batman vs Superman where Batman was just climbing on the walls in that movie fast asf for no reason

Spiderman is like a 30 dex with precognition.

Great video as always Colo.

Humans usually make decisions long after the brain has begun processing it. So, it actually makes some sense that Spider-Man can sense Nick’s actions before he even imagines them. This, in 5e, would be high Insight, though, while Spidersense would either be Perception or, more likely, a straight Wisdom check. I would also like to point out, 3.5e had an Epic-Level Handbook where feats such as this were possible.

he has 30 dex expertise in things like acrobatics, proficiency and advantage on dex saves, and probably has a prof bonus of like 20 (if you really don't wanna break the 30 limit).

I'm only 3:38 in, but I'd like to put forward that Spidey's Dexterity and Wisdom both are at least 22, and that he has a monk's unarmored defense. To that end, though, while Spidey's got preternatural reflexes (preflexes, even), he _does_ get hit sometimes, but bro's tough as nails, his Constitution is also probably way up there. Plus he's ridiculously smart, charming and witty, and actually strong to boot...bro's just OP in general, and a damn decent person, yet the universes all conspire to make him miserable... -u-;

26 Dex, expertise in some skills, the alert feat, and the reliable talent feature to never roll below a 10 on proficient checks.

For his spider sense you could have him permanently under the effect of the 9th level foresight spell.

I might explain this as something like 30 strength dex con and wis with a +5 proficiency, permanent advantage on all strength dexterity and wisdom checks and saving throws that is never suppressed by any means and he cant never roll less than 10on them. Improved evasion and a bunch of free feats like alert and sentry to round it out. With resistance to all damage other than psychic. Maybe also expertise in all the above to double the proficiency bonus. It effectively makes a +20 to every role for each of those but maybe impossible things only look effortless to us because we don't see how hard his focus has to be. I think that could stack up the numbers reasonably well without breaking the system.

9:50 Aide for exercising, very useful.

I actually have a DEX 20 char (High Elf). I've always assumed DEX 20 would be Legolas-level. Like the crazy, unnatural maneuvers he pulls off in the movies. Cool and beyond human capabilities, but still not superhero stuff.

In slowly realising just how worthless the physical stats are compared to the mental stats in dnd. And then how weak everything is compared to comics.

Spider-Man also has a genius level intellect up there with Tony Stark Bruce Banner and Reed Richards

Yeah, Spider-Man almost certainly has 60 DEX as well as 60 STR, plus a passive perception of +1000.

Next one is what is the constitution of THE HULK

A 20 dexterity technically only reduces your chances of being hit by 25% and would not save you from many bullets.

Profficiency when danger. remember he gets hit by bananas and stuff like that

I think it is very clear at least that DEX does not scale in the same way as strength does. Strength is very linear stat to scale and relatively easy to calculate, whereas DEX feels to become exponentially more powerful (though it's benefits are still counted in linear way in D&D, mostly since relative DEX cap is quite low)

Man, I discovered this channel a couple weeks ago, and I think it might be one of the more creative and entertaining things in the dnd space

Decades ago I use to play A.D.& D. 2nd edition. Played it daily for many years and through a combination of pretty good ( not ridiculous ) initial rolled ability scores, years of campaigning with my character and magically raised scores (tomes, wishes etc.) I was able to raise his dexterity to 24. Yep he was a bad ass ! D.M.s hated him but hey they were the ones who made it possible.

I feel like Spiderman breaks the 20 limit but I think the Spidersense translates to Wisdom more so. So as a monk Spiderman would be untouchable...to nonfriends.

So, here's my take based on a discussion back in the 3/3.5 days. Spidey would have between 28-32 dex. He'd have not just proficiency, but expertise in all STR and DEX skills. He rolls with Advantage on all DEX skills and Saves. He has Evation active at all times. He can never lose his DEX bonus, even when restrained or incapacitated. He has The monk Class feature of unarmored AC (potentially the Barbarian unarmored AC on top of that). He can force Disadvantage on an attacker (a la 'Silvery Barbs') as a reaction a number of times per short rest equal to his DEX bonus. This is insanity, but... Canonically, he has had not just the foresight, but agility to evade an entire room of mounted LASERS set to random fire directions. You know... LASERS, moving at near lightspeed.

I just default to him having some ability that lets him add his Wisdom modifier and proficiency bonus to all his rolls that use Dexterity. If we assume he's level 17+ and adds his proficiency bonus to EVERYTHING Dexterity related (including initiative), Spidey would need a Wisdom of 28 or 29 to achieve +25 at the bare minimum. Though, one could make the argument to swap Dexterity and Wisdom in this regard if you think the Spidey sense is actually stronger than his feats in Dexterity. But that's probably not accurate. Looking forward to the other videos!

Nah man, Spider-Man just adds his Wis mod to his Dex checks.

You forgot one thing. Life HATES, DESPISES, peter parker

Basicaly, spider man has a 35 AC and has a passive that grants him the adamantite armor passive of ignoring critical hits.

So 60 Str, 60 Dex, around 50 Con to survive the insane physical forces he's experiencing, 30 Int because he's ridiculously intelligent, 10 Wisdom with a +25 bonus to perception and wisdom saves (for his willpower) and he's a superhero, but authorities are against him... so 10 Cha? Yeah, that's a reasonable sheet xD

Honestly i feel like the dnd human limit, like comics, is higher than real life, id say the realistic peak strength in our world is probably like 15-16, giving the extra 4-5 stats to the adventurers cap the "passing the human limit" nightwing having 20 dex is accurate seeing as he truly is superhuman in his dexterity

Yep Spidey is way passed the likes of Daredevil, etc. The strength plays a role of course, that improves his speed and incredible jumping abilities, he's just able to move much faster than a human. All around Spider Man is a very high level Marvel hero, like you said, the whole of his skillset is greater than the sum of its parts and he could stand up to pretty much anyone who isn't insanely over powered, like The Hulk or something.

Spider-Man probably doesn’t have 60 dex, he just has automatic expertise and advantage and probably can add wisdom to his dex rolls

i think proficiency would explain the higher modifiers. legendary reaction/proficiency.

Spider Man would have 30 dex an expertise in acrobatics and dex saving throughs and the barbarian’s danger sense that gives him advantage on dex saves

Bro Peter is not only superhuman but he's also a literal genius. He's extremely witty, he's got this kind of awkward charisma that literally makes several very attractive women fall in love with him. He's this odd combination of a Rogue, a Bard, and an Artificer.

How much DEX would the Flash have? 100? The ability modifier of +70 to any non-surprise roll/check? Flash would absolutely break the rules. He's pretty much a god in the universe he's in.

The 5e rules has only defined stats from 1-30. So a dex of 60 is menigless and does not have a bonus. For the difference in bonus he may have a ability that adds twice he's proficiency bonus to dex checks and saves

I would say 30 Dex Proficiency and Expertise in athletics and acrobats (which gets another +12) so he has a +22 in acrobatics and athletics then spider sense give advantage on literally everything, the way that the Foresight spell does.

Spiderman has expertise in acrobatics which encapsulates his strongest assets. For his resulting profficency bonus to reach 15 he has to be cr 25 or higher. This places him at the level of a Marut the ultimate extraplanar police.

You need to make a Mutants and Masterminds one day, it was custom made for Marvel/DC role-playing campaigns and is so similar to D&D to easily pick it up

I the idea of pushing against his limits. It's similar to stading upside down for hours!

Spider-man should have a dex of 30, proficiency in strenght and dexterity based skills and an ability based on spider-sense that gives him bonus in dangerous situations

So spiderman's stats are as follows? Str 20 Dex 30 Int 18 Wis 18 Con 16 Cha 14 Probably has the alert feet, designed the webshooters so definitely clever

Spiderman vs. Elder Tempest (Dex 28 +9) or a Will-o'-wisp (Dex 28 +9)

30 Dex, proficiency bonus of +6, double expertise in all dex checks for a total bonus of +28

Spiderman has been able to lift more then 20 tons for a while now. He can lift 55 tons fairly easily and if we bring up the live action versions its like triple that.

Haven’t watched yet but im already going to ask you to keep making these.

Id be interesting if he was always under the effects of "haste" and "foresight" and then just put some other abilities like spiderclimb and evasion

I really like the idea of heroeic inspiration and ill be adding it to my games obviously not as high but i think a double or triple your proficiency bonus would be fine id also let players choose if theyd want to add their to their roll or let them reroll like regular inspiration incase they bonus wouldnt push them over the dc

Interesting idea for videos! Subbed! I would add the caveat that dnd characters can represent feats of agility outside of the stat dexterity. A lvl 1 human fighter could have 19 dexterity (assuming they rolled 4 dice, dropped the lowest, and got 6 on the remaining 3 and added 1 from racial bonuses) A lvl 20 monk/rogue (assuming they don't have any items that break the cap) can only have 20 dex at most. But because monks/rogues have a lot of movement related abilities they can do things that would make them a lot more "agile" than the lvl 1 wizard. For example such a monk can move 120 feet up vertical surfaces or across the surface of water if they use the run action as opposed to a lvl 1 character only being able to run up to 60ft on level ground

If I remember correctly some versions of his spider sense are played off as biological while in others it is straight up super natural. I think the main 616 rolls with the super natural where he is connected to the Web of Fate. Man is literally able to predict fate on top of already having the dexterity to dodge things that can bypass his spider sense, like Venom. I haven’t read the comics or the wiki in a while so I could be completely off the mark and mixing fanon with canon.

I think the daily abilities where he can just pass a dex check makes sense. There is no way he has a 5% chance to automatically miss a dex check. Maybe a .01% chance

Spider-Man is 30 dex, has the alert feat and can dodge all attacks with his reaction.