Conversations like this always intrigue me. I was born in 1995, so I'm part of the last generation that wasn't born with cell phones already being prevalent in society so I have vivid memories of a childhood similar to what Joe and Steve are describing, but when i was around 11-12 years old it shifted to everyone having phones and I watched my parents mentality about monitoring my activities change almost instantly. I remember it distinctly. The second we all had cell phones, i had to start reporting where i was and who i was with and when i would be home at all times, when 2 years earlier i could bike to my friends house a mile and a half away, and as long as i was home before it got dark no questions were asked. It was odd to experience. I had more freedom as a kid before cell phones.
Holy shit, born in 94, I didn’t notice til it was pointed out. I remember my mom would always be on her phone talking and I couldn’t get her attention if I yelled, I’d always have to tap her shoulder or some shit.
Damn man! I could have wrote this word for word!! One minute we were just kids having fun and then all of a sudden we had to check in every few horurs and have to be sneaky
I was also born in 95, and I wonder if some parents wouldn't have always wanted that power, but the cell phones just gave them the option. I actually was the first person in my family to get a cell phone, and my parents eventually followed along. I don't think my parents got smartphones until like 2012-13. Anyway my parents never did any of the tracking/ reporting that some parents did. One thing though that I do miss is the idea that I could be essentially unreachable, nowadays I have to be basically always plugged in for various reasons, school, work, family, social etc. Kind of wish that it was more socially acceptable to basically set status to "unplugged"
My daughters told me she has a lot of issues I'm sure Joe knew exactly what I knew about her, just some chick that does goofy reactions to funny videos. It's more suspect that you seem to know so much about her bro......
WOAH WOAH WOAH!!! Let me get this perfectly straight: You comment something that is completely unrelated to the fact that I have two HAZARDOUSLY HANDSOME girlfriends? Considering that I am the unprettiest RU-vidr worldwide, it is really incredible. Yet you did not mention it at all. I am VERY disappointed, dear rip
It’s because Mr. MeatEater Steve is making Joe look like a lil biotch, and man eats man. It’s only natural when one is jealous. Notice how little he listens, while others talk while Steve listens. OH SHIT JOE, my bad bro!!
@@Activatedv I think its coz Steve actually listens to and responds well to what Jaime has to say. it's only Joe that gives a shit everytime Jaime speaks
My dad got me my first watch (with a compass) at 6, pocket knife at 8, and key to the home at 10. There was nothing I loved more than navigating the city on my own during my adolescence.
joe's daughter screenrecording a password LMAO what a genius edit: whether she came up with it herself or looked it up online, its a beautiful thing she did
It's just not the concept of the show. Jamie is the producer, not a sidekick. That being said, I would like to hear Jamie more often too. BTW, there is a full episode with just Joe and Jamie.
@@adrianfoster7387 I thought they did that once...it was just Joe and Jamie. Dunno if a guest didn't show or what the deal was - it was just them bullshitting...or am I imagining things..??
"How much freedom do your kids have?" Joe: "A buddy of mine told me that chimps let their kids start to hunt for elk meat at the age if 5. It's entirely possible why they're so strong. But what would happen if a lion and chimp were fighting over the elk meat?" Schaub: "Well, that would obviously be a war of nutrition."
lmao some of Sssniperwolf’s older content is definitely not G-rated. That was pretty funny to hear Joe name drop her though, as someone who has a daughter the same age.
Yeah her older content is DEF not g-rated for anyone thats seen, well any call of duty vids back in the day honestly. And then of course follow into the mess about how she was using gameplay footage that wasn't even hers and that whole mess, and then here we are into reaction content. Surprised she never got rid of that old videos like I know spme youtubers do
That's the thing. There's no one step ahead for kids, especially smart ones. They will outplay their parents on every metric. Mother thought she had outplayed me by taking the lan cable that connected the modem and PC with her to work and put me under 'house arrest'. The problem was solved within 24 hours by buying myself a spare Lan cable after school and hiding it in my toys. I had successfully 'defused' house arrest punishment by the age of 12. And yeah, i've seen more shit then most people should reasonably see as a curious kid.
You'll never be one step ahead. If you don't allow them to do something around you they will just do it when you're not around. Most of the time with the help of their school friends.
If the parents of today raised kids with the same freedom to explore, to mess up, to not do that again, to try something new, or to solve a problem that I had in the 60’s, they would be arrested for neglect. I was not neglected, but trusted and encouraged. As a result, I developed a great deal of self-reliance and a fair amount of problem-solving skills. That became a feeling of confidence and readiness. I was poised to blaze my own trail when the time came. Of course I continued to make mistakes and learn new lessons along the way. I intend to continue doing that, because it’s a lot more stimulating than staying safe and because I continue to learn. I get really bored when I’m not learning.
Yea well when the statistics report extra dead kids in past the tend to start making and changing laws. I was born in 94 and typical parenting has changed a lot. I don’t like it either but if you get a bunch of women together and convince them there’s a chance their kid might die if they don’t keep them on a short leash. I’m not saying your parents did this but the other parents their age dropped the ball and ruined it for everyone.
I remember when they started putting “parental advisory” on tapes and cds. I remember being so angry about censorship. Hard to believe how many people push for censorship now.
The pendulum is always swinging. Those "Parental Advisory" labels were created because so many people wanted to censor media content. There were all kinds of record/tape/cd/book burnings back in those days. People would try to organize boycotts of TV shows. Married With Children dealt with a huge backlash for being one of the 1st tv shows to overtly show a man and woman in bed, as well as explicitly implying sexual acts taking place. Lenny Bruce was arrested several times for using outlawed profanity in comedy clubs. It took a SCOTUS ruling to prevent law enforcement from arresting and prosecuting people for literally JUST using swear words in public. When I was in middle school, there was a city-wide ban on wearing any South Park apparell, regardless of what was on it. There has always been annoying groups of people who were desperate to censor others. But there has always been people like Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, Howard Stern, South Park, Eminem etc, who have helped fight against censorship. The difference nowadays is, it is no longer the religious nutters leading the charge. It's the annoying virtue-signalers and fake do-gooders trying to score internet points on social media.
@@RustCole01 spot on. It’s mind blowing people have been brain washed by woke social media that’s it’s actually okay to force people to be censored. They think they’re fighting injustice. They can’t comprehend we are making a choice. They actually think we are in the past or lacking information so they think they have to take any moment possible to “educate” us. In reality it’s just fast spreading propaganda.
I was a kid during the 80's. My friends and I would ride our bikes all over town. Our parents never knew where we were at. People are way overprotective nowadays. Locking your children in your house causes more problems than it solves. Depression and obesity are currently through the roof. I think that it's a direct result of over parenting.
I spent a lot of time in the woods, where the real dangers were, and noone knew where I was. I agree with some of what your saying. Seems like theres more crazy people today too though. But point taken.
For real. The point of being a parent isn't to push all the adversity out of your child's way. It's to raise a child capable of facing that stuff. I remember moving into my freshman dorm and being blown away how many people had never cooked, done laundry, turned on a thermostat, pumped their own gas, changed a lightbulb or been grocery shopping.
I was a kid in the 70’s, times have changed now. There’s a lot of creepy pedo’s, traffickers, just plain bad people everywhere now. The borders been wide open this year those problems mentioned will only get worse
I love Steven Rinella. He is such an honest, thoughtful individual. The way he speaks always comes across as somebody who thinks a lot and takes great care to make sure he is communicating exactly what he means. He is not afraid to be wrong either. He just strikes me as a guy who never shuts off his brain and tries hard to come to conclusions from a place of truth rather than chasing an agenda.
Crazy how the world has changed! I'm 41 now, things are so different for my three kids growing up now. Great clip... I will have to listen to the whole episode on Spotify 😁
Yeah, I'm 39, and I didn't have an innocent childhood by any means, but it freaks me out thinking about the disturbing shit a kid can come across on the internet.
@@NotKimiRaikkonen I'm 25 and it was the same. People would just bluetooth videos to each other on tiny Sony Erickson's. No one had smart phones or direct access to internet other than a desktop PC. Even that was rare. There was a huge culture shift around 10-15 years ago which led to the current climate of social media fakeness, outrage and manipulation through information.
I grew up in Manhattan and went to middle school off 22nd street and walked home/ took the public bus everyday by myself. The freedom was liberating and I have a great relationship with my parents and I’ve never done crap behind their backs.
This was a really interesting talk. The game has changed now. When i was a kid the internet was just starting and everything was on there but we didn't know how to use it. its become optimised now to access information regardless of searching and then targets your likes towards you so it can saturate kids and it really changes their personality. I know Australian kids with American accents despite living in Australia as a result of so much internet time spent on American channels. It certainly feels worrying in the sense it can have such a dramatic effect on them.
Im 100% honest with my children about everything and I think that's the best way to be. Don't hide things from them don't say you won't understand. I know that my children will be on there own someday and I want them prepared for all the bullshit that's out there.
I remember seeing the videos of the new Zealand mosque shooting. Some dude in my P.E. class was showing it to everyone from twitter in the locker room. I will always remember those videos.
@@marioconstantino6740 a documentary on death pretty much crazy shit like monkeys going to war and showing the winners eating the losers. Or nasty ass car crash scenes shit like that but with 1970’s standards so it’s a bit much for some.
I remember I was 11 and my dad had that video and I remember being perma scarred by the monkey with just his head exposed through a table and having its head bashed open by "polite society" ... Why?!
Live leak is one of the worst things for a middle school boy to stumble across (I speak from experience) now I know why they say curiosity killed the cat.
Welcome to the Netherlands (and probably other countries as well) where it's normal/not weird that 12 year olds ride their bikes to school, by themselves, from one town to the next. 30 to 50 minutes ride isn't outside of what we would consider normal. Kids going outside to play, at the age of 8, without parental guidance in a big city like Amsterdam isn't really weird either.
Not weird in canada or ameri a either really, ita just towns are closer so they dont have to go as far, my school was about a 40 minute walk, maybe 15 minute bike ride, but we'd go to the next towns all the time
Its still like that in certain places here in the US too. In my town, every kid over the age of 12 has to either walk or ride a bike to school. Or of course their parents bring them. Some kids on the outskirts of town having to ride a couple miles each way.
@@gamebred5662 i expected asmuch, but North America is a big place with ofcourse different rules. I was thinking about this guy from Canada, on Rogan's podcast if I'm not mistaken, saying the State almost took his kids, because he let them walk to school by themselves. And the only thought that came to me was: " Wow, over here millions of parents would lose their kids by those laws."
Rinella has got to be the most genuine, down to Earth person Joe has on here regularly. He's so curious, upbeat and approachable. Not interested in hunting in the slightest but I love the dude
You probably won’t read this Mr Rogan, but if you do please know that your videos are very helpful for me. I got those panic attacks and all those podcasts, interesting guests and most of all your personal insights are the only things that brings me back. You’re so inspiring to me. To be honest I can of wish Jamie could be in the room also haha. Keep up the good work guys! Obviously Some ppl are really looking forward to any videos on their Spotify / RU-vid.
A book on raising children could never be finished... As societies are in a constant flux and evolution of its own standards on what is best for it's citizenry. All I know is that once I became a Parent, I understood how hard it must have been for mine...
@@jjjj-365 Be it "Free Range"🐓 or "Helicopter" 🚁parenting there is no happy medium... and yes there are those that are incapable of guiding their offspring.
Try the first year alone... The amount of conflicting advice is circular and never ending! Kids today have never had more of their needs out there for consideration, but ironically probably have less of those genuine needs met!
@@thatsthejobbb8587 The same is true for all generations, as knowledge empowers and created a never ending thirst. Our children today are overloaded with information sources and none of it is truly digestible in it's raw form. Therefore as parents we struggle to understand first what they are exposed to, in order to then attempt to provide some filtering. The true question is how do you filter something Totally new?
I never want my kids to go through the f'd up shit I went through and was exposed to as a teen growing up in an inner city. I don't want my kids too sheltered either. It's a hard balance to work out and achieve.
For real. I grew up with a lot of drugs and gang violence in the 80s and 90s. I live in an upper-middleclass suburb and it's seems like a lot of my kids classmates suffer from the opposite problems that I had...
I hear you , it's a fine line . My 13yo daughter is complaining about catching a bus or train , she wants to & I don't allow it . I hated Public Transport growing up & I've seen alot of shit & had a few hairy situations around train stations .
I agree with Joe I’m 29 years old there’s a video is saw as kids online that still fucks me up when I think about one specifically one of the Cartel torture videos fucks me up and makes me depressed from time to time when I’m reminded of it. I’m extra careful with my kids because of this.
I was given run of the outdoors as a child.... Armed too, from the age of about 8/9 years old. I think I turned out fine.... relatively speaking. The love of the outdoors is something I still have....and pews pews too.
"I let them go unsupervised into areas with lots of mountain lions..." 😂 He sounded like he was thinking "damn that does sound kinda dumb"when he said that
I ran into mountain lions all the time as a kid. They were never a problem, very peaceful. We would just sit or stand there and look at each other or do our own thing like the the other wasn’t there. One might just be chilling up in a tree during the day watching me. Kinda strange to think about now.
@@tasteslikeawesome haha awesome. Shows what I know about chilling with mountain lions.. I'm a city dude I've lived in Montreal my whole life. Fun fact.. We have the biggest comedy fest in the world but pretty much no big comedians. Except Mike Ward, he's the shit
I'm 31 i started riding my bike to school and home when I was in 5th grade, I don't want to let my sons do it that early because of the mischief me and my friends got into but at the same time those were my best years
Same, (I am admittedly slightly younger) but I also started riding to school alone at that age, 5-6th grade, and I also wouldn’t let any child I had do that at that age nowadays. In my case though it’s because the streets have grown a lot more crowded and dangerous since I was a kid.
I’m in my 50s and when Joe mentioned leaving a posted note it brought back a memory of something my mother always said … “ if ya go anywhere leave a note “. ( life seamed so different back then )
and that's why ya always leave a note, haha reminded me of arrested development, I still leave notes but for fun, notes and letters and post cards are like foreplay these days, but yeah back in the day I used to fish a lot and if you forgot to leave a note and got your truck stuck then you were fkkkkkkd, in lethal weapon they had a car phone, zack morris had a cell phone, but not anyone I knew
I'm 25 and I did that stuff. No one had smart phones when I was out climbing roofs and causing mayhem as a 12 year old. I'm glad I got to grow up through the 2000's.
I respect their inalienable individual rights to life, liberty, property, and pursuit of happiness. I don’t force them to share and they value themselves as well as the people around them. Objectivism helped a lot..
I'm 39 from Columbus ohio. I remember Damond Zex! It was wild when you were 10 years old! Thank you for putting this out there. Yes he went in front of the areas board and they let him because he said it was all done in artistic expression. Always wondered what happened to him
Being a parent over the last 10-15 years has to be weird because with technology the parents are way out of their element and the kids are usually a step ahead.
@@thegreatestmantoevrwlkthep9986 I think any parent would be at a disadvantage, as they didn’t grow up with the same technology. Whereas kids have grown up with all of this technology in their hands. Most parents can’t adapt to the situation quick enough.
@@etheneinspenner3950 stop it. If you have a brain, it should be easy. A grown ass person that went to school, should know how to solve a problem, or learn something new. The problem is that “most” parents just don’t give a shit! And they forget how sneaky they were as a kid. My kids don’t get shit past me, and if they do, it’s because I let it happen.
We were given all the freedom but always taught how to be cautious, thoughtful, and considerate of ppl and ourselves. We never did anything that bad, and had great manners. My parents were also the type that they didn't consider every little thing the end of the world like most parents.
I would raise my kids on a acre of land away from the city but close enough and train them in our open land about different things like hunting, growing fruits and vegetables, carpentry and things that will actually help them in the real world
@@YSLRD 8 actually, an acre is 40k sq ft and lots are 5k sq ft, either way you're not wrong, one acre is not enough to properly raise a family the way OP would like, 10 is a good starting number if you want to be able to hunt and grow food and have space for your family to grow.
I grew up in the city Bay Area and learned how to hustle. Hustle twice as hard cause the cost of living here. But now that I’m older I rather just have my own land and be away from everybody. People suck. Might get some property in Vegas.
The early to mid 2000s were a fucking thrill ride being young lol. I saw so much messed up shit, from suicides to dudes blowing their hands off with homemade fireworks. And I got shown videos of people cutting themselves by some of the kids I knew🤦♂️. And yes, finding all shocking stuff was hella risky due to viruses. There also used to be sites where you could watch movies before they even released. I miss those days so much.
@@agodelianshock9422 I got first hand proof of why porn is potentially dangerous to how kids view sex as well as how some kids just shouldn't have access to all of the internet. Let's just say I found out stranger danger was sort of bullshit. The real dangers are the people closest to me....
Faces of Death, good lawd. My Dad's ex girlfriend had that on VHS early 90s. Me and my siblings got caught watching it one night and my dad made us watch the whole thing on one sitting.
Born in 98, 2020 became a father The lenience and trust I got as a child I wish I could give to my kids, but the world has changed so much, evil prevails and is around every corner. I don’t coddle but I’m also not naive and my experiences have taught me to keep my kids very close to my side. My kids won’t know what my childhood was like, just like I didn’t know what my parents was like and so forth and so forth. I think it’s the way of life, the past 100 years have been a roller coaster of evolution and technological dependence, no one generation was the same as the other in any stage
Our world has definitely become too safe. And on the surface that's a good thing, we've eliminated a lot of the dangers that people of the past faced, but there's a lot of accidental side effects that aren't so great. That's a lot of why so many young people invent problems that don't exist, or at the least over dramatize existing problems. It's in our nature to have a problem to solve, a hill to climb. A lot of people don't have that. So they have to manufacture it.
@@retrosuperfuture5348 No he's right. Kids barely saw adulthood intill the early 20th century. And if they did most of them lubed up mechanical parts in giant factories. Get an infection would almost mean you died. People would shit and piss on the side or the road. Ever hear of Radithor? Todays world is MUCH safer than our peers experienced regardless of class or privilege. And its a fact.
Its insane how in the 70s kids were safer than they are now. I was born in 94 and was probably the mast generation allowed to go outside in a bike and wander off. These days i wouldnt trust an 11 yearold alone in the streets.
Excellent topic for me. I was a latch key kid and am trying to navigate this with my 3 year old now. It’s a tightrope and every kid is different I think.
That's one remarkable thing about visiting Japan is you commonly see really young little kids (5yrs old) by them selves on the train or walking through the city.
When it comes to parenting there is a ton of risks involved. Risk of not being protective enough or too protective. I have found that struggle in my own life as well. The main thing is consistency. We just have to be consistent with them and tell them the truth about the world.
@Sherri T[A]P Me!! To Have [S]EX With Me yeah he's sounding like an old man. I'm a single dad, you have to be a realist and just talk to your kids a lot. A lot. Make a routine of "just shooting the shit" over a slice of pizza or something. You just gotta be there. Toys and money don't buy that.
From 1987-2000 I played outside almost everyday with at least 5-15 kids. We played baseball, biked, skateboarded, rollerbladed, climbed trees, went swimming, all within a 5 mile square radius around our neighborhood. We played from 11am till Dark, we would come in for an hour or so a day to do a little gaming, then went back out. No one ever got hurt, and supposedly crime was higher at this time then today. I remember the day that men, and children stopped coming outside, when women stopped having conversations with their neighbors, its when cable companies offered 500 channels to everyone, NO ONE came outside anymore after that, and the addition of the internet/smart phones a few years later SEALED the DEAL. Parents and kids nowadays have no idea what they are missing out on, and how big of morons they are.
Just a movie of death and if you don’t want that etched on your mind then I suggest not to watch it cause it’s not fake movie shit ! It can enlighten you on why people have PTSD . When you see or do shit . You can’t undo it !
Joe said that his kid watching Ssniperwolf will mean she doesn't see beheadings. Go and see her latest videos, she is talking about the most creepiest videos on tiktok and starts off talking about someone dying in her house.
@@BristolMatt yea I feel like he hasn’t done the proper investigation to know all her content. Probably only watched a few vids. There’s definitely some questionable stuff.
I don't think you know what the word hyper means. It's barely sexualized. Subtle would be an even better word. Hypersexualized content is like a Nicki Minaj music video.
