Good video. The Type R is a great car, but at almost $40 grand delivered, that CIVIC cannot be called a bargain. For my money, I'd do the SI with a set of springs, rear anti-roll bar, tune, and set of high-performance tires. Call it $1,700 on top of the SI sticker and I'd be a happy camper. I am sooooo glad that Honda made the Type R, brought it to the US, and proved that front-drive can be all you need.
Finally Someone knows something about car tuning and racing. Even the hfp civic si comes with the type r dampers and that's still a bargain. The type r comes with very good Continental sport contact 6 which are amongst the best but they don't last long just like formula 1 tires lol The si does not unfortunately. Both cars are great not just the type R.
That's the route I went. About 1k in suspension and the KTuner & it's a great car. I have all the standard bolt-ons sitting in my living room (acquired over the last year) now I just gotta get em installed
jo gonz no I don’t think it was. The dash was not lit up red. You can tell because the light comes on when he redlines. That light is always on when in sport mode and flashes when red lining. I have a 2019
@@Smavidayy well ill look at it again,but i have the 2020 model,and it's only on the 2020 si(and type r) that Adaptive Sound Control is "equipped" you can hear the "fake engine sound" when he's driving
@@jogonz5833 that doesnt mean its in sport mode. Sport mode makes it all light up red, stiffen suspension, has harder steering and makes more power from the engine. The adaptive engine noise is separate from that .
Type R definitely worth it Upgraded engine - $3k Brembo brakes - $2k Upgraded shocks,springs -$1.5k Suspension parts -$1.5k Bucket seats -$1.5k Aero/body kits - $2k Upgraded chassis - $?? Worth it, but getting it at MSRP is a different story
Am I mistaken, or did he have sport off on the Si? If so, the cars ROLE way worse .. Also, Id like to see this done with the HFP suspension package.. or am I missing that too?
Love the Type R motor and the Si coupes looks! They need to merge! 12000$ for roughly 100 more hp or 120$ per 1 hp. I will pass on the Type R bought the Si and love its power and 38mpg hwy for and affordable 24000$ with lower insurance rates!
This is a such an accurate comment...I own a 2014 civic Si and extremely happy with it, I do aspire to own a 2017+ Type R someday. However I find that that the Si is really enough for city driving. It is really fun to drive.
Yup I feel the same. Type R is definitely great for the track and those who want to track the car. Windy roads would be superb too. But the Si works fairly fine for windy roads as well, and city/street driving, like those spirited back roads driving. Def enough to have a ton if fun. Plus the coupe is a pretty nice design imo :p
As an si owner i figured out to go as fast as possible in the si. You gotta do these 3 things. 1. Put it in sport more. The suspension will help a little. 2. Shift early. Like 5500-6000rpms, redlining the car will slow it up alot due to the lower top end power vs its vtec siblings. 3. When shifting do not take your foot off the throttle pedal, full throttle all the time so the turbo doesnt drop boost (I dont recommend doing this often)
I couldn't do it man. I owned one for 2 weeks and made the trade to the Accord 2.0T. I had a 2014 Civic Si that was Supercharged and had 330whp and when I bought the new Si it just had NO life. The Accord with just an intake and tune Is almost on par with my Supercharged Si. Think they should have really used a bigger engine in the Si personally because all of us Honda guys hated going from a K20-24 to a 1.5L non vtec turbo for just a small amount of torque and a tad quicker car. honestly believe it should have came with at least 230-240hp in the Si and 200hp in the standard 10th gen. But thats just my opinion.
@@dy2str33t-king5 My biggest worry with the Accord 2.0T is the handling and lack of suspension upgrades over the Si, how did the Accord feel in comparison? The Si feels incredibly tight and firm in handling and I love the shifter. How is the shifter in the Accord? Would love to know your thoughts.
@@worldofz00 Honestly the shifter feel phenomenal. But I think that's a Honda thing in general. The suspension options are a lot bigger than when I first got my Accord. I was a beta tester for Hondata and had the first tuned 2.0T in the States. Just running a preset tune really wakes these cars up, the difference is insane. Also was the first person to havethe new Accord lowered on 16-18 Civic Hatch springs. Did this before any suspension options were available. It's absolutley slammed but the ride is amazing still. I also love the way it handles. I put a wider wheel and tire setup on it and i throw it through corners with ease and confidence. My 2014 Civic Si had EVERY part of the suspension modded and I'd say this is still almost on par with that car. I test drove a 1.5T Accord sport the also before I purchased this and to me it just didn't feel as good. Not sure if they made the springs stiffer in the 2.0T to handle the added weight or not but it felt better right out of the box than the 1.5. Hope some of this helps a little.
@@dy2str33t-king5 Thank you, I will definitely have to give a 2.0T a test drive. Think I'll be driving a 10AT first since that's readily available here.
@@dy2str33t-king5 Dy2 Str33t-King c'mon man, it's not really fair to compare a stock 10th gen si to a supercharged 2014 si with supporting mods. Of course its gonna feel lack luster compared to that. You could have gotten a drop in turbo for $1600 and gotten 290-300whp, ~290wtq. 330-345whp, 320-330wtq with flex fuel. Or just get a flex fuel kit for $500 with an off the shelf tsp stage 2 tune and it would make near 270whp and 327wtq with stock parts. Which really wakes this car up. And all these options have base maps available. No custom tune needed to take advantage of that drop in turbo and flex fuel. Yeah that 2.0T is gonna make a bit more power but you also have to consider it weighs about 400-450 pounds more. With a custom tune and bolt ons, that 2.0T is only making about 290whp and 340wtq. 310-320whp, 350-360wtq. Hardly enough to compensate for that added weight compared to SI with just an off the shelf tune and flex fuel
I just bought me a 2020 si and I love it. I would have liked the Type R but the dealership would have had to order it and really for another like 12 grand I can settle for the si with the 1.5L Turbo with 205 HP. I mean the Brembo brakes and the 2L engine and an extra 100 hp and the more race oriented config of the Type R do make it cool and stand out for sure but I can upgrade the si later on down the road with Brembos or or other racing brakes and put some other after market preformance stuff on it if I want to push it a bit more. If your not gonna track the car anyway really not needed and the si is awesome if you just wanna go blasting around in the back roads or the country or take a cruise down PCH or just jet around town looking sporty. The one feature I wish the si had that the Type R does have is the auto rev matching for down shifts. If you are not good on the heel toe action or quick with the pedals to blip the throttle you can get some herkey jerkey down shifts.
Would have loved to see you switch drivers for another drag race and put "the stig" in the SI to see how quick(er) he is and whether he could keep up with the type R. Shifting and feel for the launch plays a huge role. Sometimes the driver capabilities are too far apart (not saying here) and we're observing whose the better driver rather which is the faster car.
@@Stormtrooper-oc4vn is the same way with a lot of cars lately. The whole chip shortage thing affected supply like crazy. I was looking at an sti in December for 38k. Used ones are now going for closer to 45
full sport modes (+R on the Type R and Sport on the Si) with all electronic nannies off on both cars (which not easy BTW!) so I'm not sure what you're compiling about?
Paul Gerrard Type R mode isn’t on or the dial would be red and there’d be a warning on the the screen if traction was turned fully off This is done by putting R mode on and holding traction - entering track mode. I’d know I own one 👍
@@CJax749 check 3:27 for the Si and 9:21 for the Type R. If you look closely you can see the flashing SC light on both showing the system is fully defeated (not just the soft defeat of holding the button down). It's a total pain to do and took a few tries with each car but we got it on both.
Opinionated for sure.. wife owns a 2020 Rallye red SI Sedan... I own a 2017 CW Ctr #00256... She loves hers more than mine... As far as looks but loves the way mine drives
@Bryce Czirr You mean *faster* right? I'd skip the VW since it's built in Mexico (low quality built) I prefer a new car with a valid warranty than a used one, especially if it was abused by previous owner/owners...faster in a straight line doesn't always mean better.
I like jdm but even I would take the gti just because its small and looks better than this abomination with easy upgrade packages, however if new isnt in criteria, I'd rather take an old type R integra or eg civic and build it to be more capable than these new complex boats.
@@kemalkeza6795 you can have any car to build and it will be better. They are talking about stock. For the price thats insanely good. Also a type r integra cost much more now and to find a good one .....good luck
@Potato False. Jordan Peterson used the civic's pronouns. In fact, he never refused to use the civic's pronouns. He refused to be forced by his government to use the civic's pronouns. That is a very important distinction to make.
The Si is a really good performer for the money. There is a lot of good driving fun to be had with the Si BUT I am so glad Honda did not stop there and gave us the Type R. I LOVE my Type R. A $12,000 difference is no joke but the Type R is worth every penny. It took some time for me to be in a position to actually get a Type R and to be honest, I am glad it was not my first car. We have to give Honda credit and our business for making fun cars at all price points and for saving the manual. Thanks for this match up.
@@robertg2046 The sticker for my 2019 CTR was $37,000 and we got it for $38,000. I have no complaints especially since the dealer treated us very, very well and even sent a driver to pick us up over an hour away. On top of that I just recently saw a 2020 CTR sell for $12,000 over sticker at the Honda dealer down the street from me. Also before our 2019 CTR we even considered a used 2018 CTR for $34,000 with 16,000 miles on it. We definitely were blessed with our 2019 CTR.
@@StandingUpForBetter I purchased my 2018 SI for 25,500. Bought hondata for 700$, got dyno tuned for 600$ I make over 250wtq on just the conservative +6 psi tune. My tuner said my clutch is holding back for the +9psi tune. Fx350 clutch plus install, 2600$, then adding +9 tune on dyno 600$ Puts me at over 320wtq and 300whp. 30,000$ i am faster than a type r and stay under the radar. The wing on the R can be seen by cops a mile away. I would personally never pay extra for a badge.
@@19Herofade92 Enjoy your car. I did not pay just for the badge. I paid for the performance and for the legacy of the Type R. This is one car I am not going to mod but keep stock for as long as I have it which will be for a very long time.
if you time yourself 3 times on the track you'll get 3 different times and come tomorrow you'll become faster so not really a good comperson doing it once do 3 times and take the average that would be more fair.
Actually it’s not a $12,000 difference. I’ve seen the Type R marked up as much as $12,000 by the dealer, so it’s actually more like a $24,000 difference. You can buy 2 SI’s for the price of 1 Type R. Thanks for the review.
$40k after all said and done.. ill go back to old school eg and ek with a k20 and track setup for half that. Will out last piece of crap manufactured built thrown in turbo for buyers to run back to them for warranties that really gets you nothing down the road. Type R are naturally aspirated and they've lost that.
Wow! That Si shaved off a second and a half around that tiny track, thats huge! I think it came down to the traction control being completely turned off (I could see it blinking) as opposed to the 2017 Si only being partially turned off.
I guess you get the Type R if you don't want to do aftermarket bolt on work. Just bought a '18 Si because I got online and figured out that I could get close to Type R performance for around $8,000. So saving $3,000 (without considering that most of the Type Rs I've seen re marked up to almost double the price of an Si). Just have to not be afraid to work on the car, or have good car mechanic friends.
Seems only the challengers are worth buying these days for the price they charge. These other makers just don't put any real power in these 30-40 k cars.
I actually have a Red 2020 Type R... I feel that Under steer too! But I love it. Every Day driver. Only thing I don't like is I drive it in Norther Ohio and that is soooo bad with the dang roads. But, it's all good. Wouldn't trade it for anything, will have this car until I can't drive it anymore.
@@brianmahlstedt6794 yes it can with e85 on a tune on the same tires the type r comes with. But you can get a mustang gt cheaper then the type r but faster too even with mods. So either way there's ways around all cars
@@bryan8404 that's what he meant since it still will be cheaper too hell even a Camaro SS is cheaper then type r and much faster. Money solves everything but so looks sooo much better imo
Something seems off, is almost like the Type R was not fast enough. With the better engine and bigger turbo it should had done much better track numbers.
Is there any way we could get a video comparing the 2020 Civic SI to the 2020 86/BRZ? Looking to sell my pos Miata and I haven’t really seen to many people put those cars against each other
@@little_n7891 Ah. Yes. Most dealerships allow test driving of Si. I bought my Type R without test driving it. I've always offered folks in my area to test drive mine if they're interested in buying one.
i was in highway driving fk8r with my squad try race rr and a45s 2018,low end gear i was behind a little but in fourt and fifth gear i keep distance than those 2.i would say rolling race better at type r in manual hey hey.They both dct tho.
Honda engine + Honda manual transmission + Honda chassis/suspension tuning=automotive magic. Strange how front wheel drive can be driven hard and perform well. But they managed to do it. All that history with the front wheel drive Prelude and now this. Glad to see a Honda continuing some link to its motorcycle company roots.
the 8th gen si was the last real upgrade worthy in power. we need a back to core a little from honda for the next si. a real motor/exhaust vtec and leave the turbo option to the type r and let us do the turbo on our si. thanks 😁
It’s literally comparing a highschool football athlete and an nfl player…… but still good video it’s good to see the si does have some meat against the type r……. About 3 car lengths on the drag race so that’s good with 100 hp difference
The non vented rear brakes does send a message about the construction of the car. We didn't waste money here. It's relatively cheap for a performance car, but it's intelligently made so we spent the money where it matters.
America is boring they think they are into cars with their automatic transmissions and it’s like yea it’s like a couple seconds faster but I’m sorry there is no soul in any automatic transmission
@@mrjeffsmotors620 desperate for attention? This is all you get. Goodluck continue hating I wont respond back because you just want to argue like a typical american with no life ✌
Type R. 100 extra horsepower, 100 extra foot pounds of torque, only 200 pounds more of curb weight. The difference in track times should be significant. Unless they are doing something funky. To compensate for the weight, subtract 40 hp. What happened to the other 60?
@Bryce Czirr So, if Type R has all the advantages you listed as well as the whole science of physics behind it, what is the factor that is skewing results?
Bryce Czirr ehh Type R isn’t really impressive why pay 35k for a Civic when you can just get a Si save the other 11k and just mod n make it better than a stock R. Like most ppl who buy these cars aren’t going to tracks
How about oil dilution in the 1.5 turbo engines, for starters? I wish once, just once TFL Car would at least mention the issue instead of just pretending it doesn’t exist.
Agree, for example I wish they bring a better version now of the b16•s and b18”s and even b20s ,,, what about a new b24 with the new technology that we have now .... will be interesting
Not a fan of the 1.5 turbo in the civic and crv, especially with cvt. So slow and laggy....the older 2.5L NA engine in the early 2000’s was a much better engine, so much more pep...those old CRVs were very quick without having to completely smash the throttle for acceleration.
acceleration is limited by traction. You can't really utilize the extra power unless you start from a roll. I have enough power I can damn near take off in third gear. I regularly take off in second.
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No. The si was not in sport mode during the first lap time section, as shown at 3:27. When in sport mode, it lights up red in the dash... and of course the suspension would have been more stiff with better throttle response. At 9:21 you can see that the lights are on in the Type R. I guess they just wanted to have it be a bit slightly more of a difference. I own a 2020 si and while it’s no type r, I definitely feel a difference in throttle and stiffness when driving aggressively.
@@Bagger1978 Nope, 3:27 the white strips above the fuel and temp gauges would be red, and there would be red lines at the top of the center section as well if sport mode was on.
@@jebediahspringfield9496 you are correct. I was confusing the tac display with sport mode. I clearly need to spend more time driving in sport mode.. haha
