We know that both of these rank as Carolina Reapers on the Scoville scale of hot hatches, but which would you rather have in your driveway? Let us know in the comments! - Update: For those inquiring in the comments, we did use Octane Learning for the Elantra N in this match-up. Thank you for your feedback! -
@@asiangrafx Recently, Toyota Motor Group and Honda Motor Company were caught deceiving consumers by manipulating quality tests for the past 35 years. What is Toyota's punishment? Can we trust the Japanese and Honda Motor Company to deceive consumers?
@@ItsAlive111 Yeap! Even on the brand new face lift model of the Elantra N, Hyundai dealers aren't adding a huge mark up. In Washington state, Honda dealers want anywhere from 5-10k mark up on the SI. THE FREAKING SI! The Civic Type R and the Integra Type S are well over $60k out the door. Absurd.
Also from what I understand a modded tuned FBO N can beat a Type R FBO tuned just about every time. If the EN had a higher rev range and could stay in boost a little longer it would be most likely be no contest.
@@The_Notorious_CRGExactly, don't like capitalism, then head on to Cuba or Venezuela, heard they're doing fantastic these days. It's always a supply and demand since man traded goods.
It would be really interesting to see how the Elantra N with the DCT fares against the manual Type R. I wonder if the N Grin Shift overboost and faster shifts would help make it a closer race in the U drag.
Yeah, the usual drag race issue, not enough information. And btw, am I the only one who thinks that launch control is pointless on a manual transmission car?
The Sedan N treatment is such a bad business decision. It looks like a pig with lipstick. At least with the Veloster N there was some effort to make a complete sports car/couppe.
Isn’t the hatchback version the veloster N unless you mean, like the I30N? Which is the world wide vehicle (except the us) I believe correct me if I’m wrong guys
@@Youcallthesebagels_Unreliable engine? Show me the data on the Elantra N engine. Japanese cars are no longer as reliable as they used to be in the 90’s. Honda just had a huge recall of its V6 engine for catastrophic failure. To me Type R is bland looking. You’d be spending $65-70k a Type R with mandatory dealer markup. Who cares about resale when you’re paying that much for a souped up econo car?
@@DM72513 they have 2 drivers and multiple runs and post their best times. The DCT has a few miliseconds on the manual in a straight line, but the manual also has slightly better roadholding numbers on the skidpad as well as braking performance
@@Nick-qx1vf 1. The EN is 95% of the Type R’s performance. The EN lacks the Type R’s refinement, but that lack of refinement translates to the EN feeling more rowdy and untamed. Pair that with the WAY more fun engine and exhaust noises the N makes, the fiery animations on its digital gauge cluster, and an extra boost button (NGS) on the DCT EN, and you get noticeably more fun out of the EN. 2. There was no indication of whether the EN in this video was octane learned. Octane learning gives it an extra 30 hp, enough to tighten the gap. Plus, the DCT EN is significantly faster than the 6MT EN, so there’s a good chance the DCT EN would beat the Type R. Save your “but it’s an automatic so that’s unfair” BS for someone else because I don’t care about that charade. Go look up the Car and Driver stats. The DCT EN has a faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile time than the Type R.
He got a great launch, but DCT is quicker with launch control. I have Kona N with over 300HP and Tq and the front wheels spin all the way to third gear. Wish it was awd like my EV6GT but I guess I will get the Ioniq 5N but still keep the Kona because I still need some real crackles and pops!
Good race! Wishing it was a little more equal, the type R had too many advantages for me in this race with it's price, power and tires 😢. I wish the elantra got the DCT to be a little closer in the price category at least.
Wow it’s sad world we live in just because car has better exhaust doesn’t mean the car is better. Seem like that one the selling point for the N cars that gets people to buy them oh it has a nice exhaust system. What good exhaust when the car gonna be worthless in ten years
Given how crazy priced the CTR is especially from Stealerships the Elantra N is crazy impressive. Cup 2 tires do really help a lot. Love that the Elantra N is actually affordable. Great race guys!
I don't think that the Civic Type R worth an additional $10K on top of the E N, for that money I would get instead a used 6th gen Camaro SS that would perform much better.
Is worth it. Just look at the front brake setup of both cars. That will give you an idea on how the CTR is built vs the EN. The EN is made with the bare minimum of parts to have fun. People that can afford it will not sweat it.
No, that's not how these test works. It's whatever options comes with the car. You can't put Cup2 Rs on a car that doesn't have an option for it, it'll defeat the purpose of testing factory spec'd cars.
@@ii_dynasty not really. You can tune and upgrade things for EN and it'll still be less than what the type R otd price. With dp intake and meth alone en makes 400whp.
@i.d.6492 The type r stock is only a second behind the c63 s coupe and is only 5 seconds slower than an m3 comp xdrive. You're simply just wrong on that. Also, the type r is making 430whp on 93 with a pure upgrade, and that only costs 1,5k.
If I had to choose I’d take the CTR but the N is a beast in its own right, with better tires and dct it might’ve been the better car but I think the CTR looks better.
Why would u want a dct? When there's manual available who cares if it's faster ur not driving it basically well I guess u can text ur bfs while driving ur dct lol
@@Ivan-b5c3k “who cares if it’s faster” seriously? A LOT of us care if it’s faster… winning is the entire point. Have fun rowing your gears with your bfs I’ll wave to you in my rear view mirror 😂 🤣
@@vjdfl5that doesn’t make sense bc DCT when octane learned makes 278whp and 315 crank hp and has a faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile time than the type R and Elantra N manual.
@@Marbind not sure. Haha. Where they missed the mark was tires. They should have ran the same tires on both and that’s as close to a comparison that you could get. They need Michelin, Bridgestone or Continental as a tire sponsor.
Go FL5!!!! I know those Elantra N's are quick with the DCT. If they pitted the DCT vs the FL5, I think it would've been a different story. But the Type R is just a far superior car in almost every aspect.
Not by much, I’ve owned both and they are extremely similar and the EN is probably more fun. After dealer markups, the EN is 20k less brand new. The R isn’t worth that much more money
The R is superior in almost every aspect, but definitely not far superior. Just about every legit reviewer says that the N is around 95% as good as the R.
Driven both, 2022 Elantra N and 2023 CTR. I’d take the Civic Type R. It’s not about times to me. It’s about how the car feels. Honda knows what they doing with these things. Hyundai felt a bit unrefined and cheap inside. The analogy I give is like early Android vs Apple product.
Bingo, exactly my experience as well. The EN achieves some good numbers the same way any modified hot hatch can, but the FL5 very clearly felt like the better engineered car.
@ALMX5DP when you fill up an EN is defaults to 15PSI and assumes you may have put 87 octane in. There's a procedure for the PCM to learn that it has premium fuel in and raises the boost to 19PSI.
@ALMX5DP Basically the ecu has to learn what fuel type you're using every tank fill-up, so if you follow the process in the owners manual it'll "learn" and unlock full boost pressure
@@MeltingRubberZ28 thank you, after seeing a few comments I had to look it up and saw a reference to an Owners Manual instruction. Seems like all it takes is 5 minutes to relearn. Since they are on an airfield and likely filled up at a regular gas station some miles away I suspect there is no reason to believe it wasnt learned to the 91 they likely put in it as that is the recommended fuel.
@ALMX5DP eh. I know a few owners that have the EN and the octane learning procedure is finicky. Every one of them just ended up tuning the cars since you get like 23 or more PSI all the time instead of sometimes getting 19. I honestly doubt that EN was learned.
, that, their times are off,l i race against an N a lot at the track and it is 100% stock, it is the DCT version but his is much louder and punchier than the N in this video. The type R should win it costs nearly 50k, the fact you can nearly match it with the 34k N is all that needs to be said, for 1500-2500 and that N destroys the type R
EN is a great value, car should have been octane learned and had a tire swap to match. Low to mid 30s for an EN, 50k minimum for a CTR FL5. I know which one I'd pick.
The type R is better not just because of higher horsepower, is the electronic and suspension too. The type R have better interior and quality. Hyundai is a gift to people who can't afford or can't purchase a type R.
This race made sense it was strictly the Civic having about 40 more hp and extra torque even though both cars weigh the same. It's also a better at carving corners probably since it's smaller. But the Elantra did well for what it is, it's a good Civic type R competitor.
The extra money you pay for the Type R is for the reliability, quality and resale value. They hold their value INSANELY well. Oh and the heritage behind the Type R name. I would also argue for the fact its not ugly unlike the N
People don’t understand that it’s not just $10,000 more. It’s $10,000 worth of sales tax, loan fee, interest rate, etc. I love both cars. We’re not even talking about the RIDICULOUS markup that dealerships get away w/ on the CTR. They are really the pinnacle of FWD tech and performance. The CTR is objectively better but it’s not $10,000+ better. Sorry.
That depends on how you value things and what you want. If you are fine with the EN then go for it. If you want the best of the best FWD Then get ready to pay for the CTR The money difference is mostly in the materials and parts used by Honda. For example the front brake setup. Hyundai uses regular calipers and rotors Honda went with a Brembo BBK with 2 piece rotors Chassis is made stronger without the need of braces like the EN uses in the trunk. And so on.
@@Marbind Chassis rigidity in the EN is plenty fine. That part is not objectively better. Hyundai reinforced a lot of the body including the rear brace in the trunk. It wasn’t limited to just the trunk brace. The active exhaust does not sound as good. The powertrain warranty is not as good. The customization is arguably better. The CTR lost to the EN in C&D’s 0-150-0 test. The DCT variant beats it to 60 (C&D). Brakes are superior in the CTR by 5-10 feet stops from 60. Again, the car is $10-$15,000 more. I’ll say the shifter feel in the CTR is better too. Honda makes the best, most mechanical shifters in the game. Love the Honda, but compared directly to the EN, for me, it’s not worth $10-$15,000 more. The Honda is overpriced. I wouldn’t be as critical of the CTR if it had maybe a $40,000 price tag because some materials and some performance numbers are consistently better, albeit negligible and minuscule in daily life. Honda might have the pedigree, but it’s overpriced and not impressive AT ALL compared directly to the Elantra N. I’ve seen $70k markups online for the Type-R. Offensive. Still grateful that we have fun to drive ICE manual cars like these in 2024 for enthusiasts. In the years to come, I’m not sure that we will.
The Elantra N its an amazing sport car for the money, probably with the DCT and the additional HP from the red button would have done a much better job.
The Elantra N was made for the DCT. It would have gave up a better fight and got the win. Those 0-60 and 1/4 mile numbers you posted are slower than the DCT numbers. The DCT can do 4.8 seconds in the 0-60 and 13.4 in the 1/4 mile. I would rather have the Elantra N in my drive way. It punches up, it looks good, and it is much cheaper.
@@HarryTwatterI’ve owned both, you don’t even notice the power difference on the streets, they feel basically the same, and it’s not worth 15-20k more after markups. It’s just not.
@@19hundoc47to each their own I guess. I drove both and wound up with the FL5. To me it was very apparent where the extra money went. Not to mention the ability run 265 rubber from the factory is nearly priceless itself. lol
@@19hundoc47 my point is that it depends on your priorities. If you look at just the numbers and performance data, then no, definitely not. But if you look beneath the surface at the actual hardware and how it FEELS, for me it very much was worth it. Also for tracking thanks to the ability to run wider tires the headroom for ultimate mechanical grip is far higher on the FL5.
Okay I had to look it up after seeing a few comments about this. Recommended fuel is premium, so it should be continuously filled with that. Edmunds also took possession and drove the vehicles out to this shoot location so I think the presumption is that it has been fueled with and had time to acclimate to premium (91 in CA).
I own a CTR and I genuinely like the EN, but even having to do the whole "octane learning" thing to be able to get full boost just seems ridiculous to me.
I have liked what Hyundai has been doing with the N line. They have really stepped up and filled a hole that other manufactures abandoned. Personally, I'd own the Elantra - but I like scrappy underdogs as a rule.
I autocross my Focus RS against an Elantra N with a DCT, and it keeps up with me despite the power deficit. It would be interesting to repeat this race with an Elantra N equipped with the DCT.
For $15k the Elantra N loses by a bit. My Veloster N is over $20k less money. Will it lose? Of course...but not by much! I will take that since I drive back roads and none of this really matters in the real word.
The CTR is in a different league. If it had an available DCT, it would be unbelievably fast. More expensive than the Hyundai, but justifies it's price, by being better in every category. Not even close. Lap times say the same.
I’ve owned both, the R feels very slightly quicker in a straight line and that’s about it. It’s not in a different league. The EN is more fun with the exhaust and handling that’s just as good. Not worth 20k more after dealer markups on the R
It doesn't justify the price. It's about 33% more expensive with only 5% better performance. I'm happy with my 23 EN DCT, and I wouldn't take the Type R if it was a free trade in. There's no fun to be had when your car sounds like a vacuum cleaner, and is too perfectly refined.
@@ii_dynasty lots of other track tests online where they are running the same tires. The CTR is a little bit faster. not by much. That VIR test had a note that the EN came with worn tires on it and they never were able to have an all out lap with it.
Type Rs are such good looking cars inside and out. Almost performance is so good! I’m debating on picking one up as a project car! The Elantra N performance is good for the price but I just personally don’t like how it looks.
One of the main reasons why I got the FL5 over the EN is the mechanical grip capability of the FL5. I spent so much time trying to fit more rubber under my last hot hatch (Fiesta ST) it is SO reassuring to be able to handle 265 or 275 without mods.
@@SonikDethmonkey you can easily fit wider tire on Elantra N, it has been done even on Veloster N. The EN is better. You can use that $10-20K difference and build EN like NDRIVERKG did. He's killing all the modded type RS now
@@i.d.6492 sure, but if we’re going down that path I could just cram even wider rubber into the FL5, no? There’s no point in comparing a modded car to a stock car. And TBH at the end of the day I just didn’t like the exterior styling or cheap feel of the interior of the EN.
Considering the Type R holds it’s value exceptionally well and will last longer while the Hyundai depreciates more than the industry average and is not nearly as reliable, there is no point comparing them based on price.
It was nice to watch two MT cars race. While racing automatics makes the results more consistent and accurate as to which car is better, racing manual cars is more interesting to watch because you can also pay attention to the drivers' skill. More manual races please!
I never understood why they always use the n manual. The dct is much faster in a drag and a track. I would love to see the fastest version of each car. Especially when the CTR is 10k more.
@vjdfl5 and I get that, but if we're testing cars at a 10k price difference, and one has 30-50more hp in a drag race, wouldn't you want the other one to be the fastest version? It'd be a much closer race for sure.
@@mphcorvette1 the DCT is a few milliseconds quicker in a straight line, but as C/D testing shows, the manual has more grip on the skidpad and better braking performance. The DCT did this same test and was a second slower
Manual Vs manual TypeR got it. I want to see what happens when the elantra N DCT vs typeR. I still think typeR would win but it’ll be much more interesting.
@@ii_dynasty yeah but it's true, and as a daily driver the Elantra is much more "luxurious" than the CTR, it gets heated seats and the infotainment is much better, no lag and more features. I was considering buying both, and couldn't come up with a good reason for me to spend that much more on a CTR when the EN felt a lot more fun. The EN drives like a 90s tuner car, the CTR is still fun, but the EN has a personality to it. For example, when in sport/N mode, you can feel vibrations from the road coming through the steering wheel, but in the CTR you don't really feel anything like that. Plus the EN rides better than the CTR when both are in normal/comfort mode. It's really a no-brainer to me. I bought one yesterday even though I was originally dead set on a Type R.
It's a fun, solid car for sure. Don't listen to the other fool in the comments about the Tesla lol. Faster? Probably. More fun? Sound as good? Look as good? Nah, not a chance. Plus, you can fill the tank up in 3 minutes lol.
@C_Santiago7 Fool? So a 4cyl turbo sounds good? Fwd is more fun than rwd biased awd? Looks? Are you fkn high? This is a butt ugly hyundai like any hyundai ever created 🤢🤮 Fill up in 3 minutes? And pay $70? What a joke. The Tesla has twice the efficiency of a prius, 4x the efficiency of this hyundai thing...while taking lambos off the lights. 🙄
I’ve owned both of these cars, and they are two of the most fun cars you can buy. And I’ve owned a couple new Supras, Mustangs, Camaros and Corvettes etc.
@@hasnainAli-99 I'm not worried about that. I've had Hyundai cars and currently own 2 Genesis models, a gv80 and g70. Now over 3 years both with somewhat high milage and not one problem. Not all Hyundais have bad reliability issues , and I know plenty of other people who haven't had a bad experience with their Hyundai's either.
@@JCizzleSoCal that is absolutely false I work in car sales , a long with other good friends who work at competing dealers and they Elantra is constantly talked about and being crossed shopped and most of the time people would actually buy it over the type R or wrx or Corolla GR. And so far the many models hasn't had any problems. No point in speaking on what you don't know about
Yeah, no. I don’t follow MSRP because nobody can get a CTR for MSRP. I follow real world pricing. The real world pricing for the Elantra N, which can be bought for MSRP, which is $34k. The real world pricing for the CTR is $70k. Do the math people. That’s a $36,000 savings to buy the Elantra N. That’s a no brainer to me which one is the better deal
What you really need to do is blast Hyundai to change that in the EN. This is the only performance oriented engine that I know that the default map is for regular fuel. Then you as the owner need to run it using a special procedure to let the engine recognize it has premium fuel and advance timing. All the other cars default to premium fuel and will tune down ignition if knock is detected.
@@Marbind The legendary Dodge Neon SRT4 also had an octane learning procedure just like the one in the N. Although Dodge did it better because it had a blue light which would blink until it was octane learned and then turn solid blue to let you know the procedure is complete. The only way to kinda tell on the N is the higher psi indicated on the gauge cluster. But yes, to your point, it’s a pain-in-the-ass feature that should be done away with
Except it's not - the CTR w better tires and more power barely won against the slower version of the EN. In fact, it lost the first 1/8 mile. So yes, the DCT would definitely pull ahead, but the fact the manual is nearly identical to the CTRs performance, for 15k less, is a no brainer.
Disagree, as someone who watches for the fun…. No dog in this fight…. But DCT would shit…. Buying a manual with today’s automatics is just a stupid decision. Look at what the 10speed mustang and f150s are doing to everything on the street.
