How NBA shooting has evolved | Let's talk about practice! 

Ya think *that* was good (ok, it was), find the followup press conference by AI's mom and a couple of her friends... She did that a day or two later, defending AI's rant.

When the NBA started resting stars more to limit their usage and maximize their productivity I thought about Allen Iverson. A man his size, who played as fast and hard as he did led the NBA in minutes per game 7 times. The only player to do it more was Wilt Chamberlain (9 times), who was a physical freak. Next in line behind Iverson are LeBron James and Michael Finley with 3 each. I would love to have seen him in a system/era that understood usage better, I think we'd have a different view of him and just how incredible he was.

11:20 Hypothetically, if that 4pt line was in place for a decade, would it be fair to "punish" those players in that decade for not utilizing it?

I think rules that protect the shooter and the elimination of hand checking should also be discussed, to shoot well from behind the arc you need space. Where as post up Mid-range shots you can use strength to generate the space to get a decent look. But you can't really do that from behind the arc you need to use your strength and mechanics to shoot the ball, you can't sacrifice as much that far away from the hoop, and hand checking and not allowing a player to land made shots outside the three point line harder. Of course that's only part of the story, because shooting mechanics and fundemtals are also different stepping into a two motion form as opposed to utilizing a hop to get a shot off because of forward momentum to try to get a defender off balance for a pull up now your guaranteed space, if a defender is in a shooter airspace they can be called for a foul. So generation of good 3 point looks have become a lot easier so coaches emphisize practicing catch and shoot behind three point line a lot more.

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So we are talking bout practice then?

Are we still talking about practice in 2020? Practice?

@@reagannichols8659 I always read the comments after watching the video, this is why...

It's unbelievable that this channel has few subscribers

@@avoiredranger110 I know😔. It’s because people are stupid and they’d rather see “pre 2000s players are plumbers haha Lebron 🐐, Tyler hero is a BUCKET 👀”

I mean it is called “Thinking Basketball”. Not tryna look like a dick just tryna make a joke

Best ginger in the nba??

@@tjlevey378 best* in general

@@frinky21 😂 Fax. Everyone’s favorite player

@@frinky21 hold up, Brian Scalabrine!!!

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That is more of a testament to his coach than to him. Dražen Petrović was a guard who shot 45% from 3 and he wasn't even allowed 3 three point shots per game because NBA coaches were very smart back then /s

He does practice them. He's just terrified of failing and looking bad in live games. Something he's gotta get over if he ever wants to elevate his career to the next level.

@@AchillesWrath1 he’s just “5 3pa per game” distance from being a superstar.

If you watch the colonels they really played more modern than even teams of the 90s you'd see more motion more shooting more screen plays with the dampier/ Gilmore tandem

Is that even advised today? With the exception of S Curry...

I tried to track Louie down but he's hard to find.

@@canucksfever for sure is depending on the situation. For example, if the offense has an extra player on a fast break (2 on 1, 3 on 2, etc.) and the defense focuses in on defending the guys closest to the rim, then a 3 isn't a terrible idea.

He tried to finish the rest of the sentence in the playoffs but came up short like harden

I still can’t wrap my head around that Harden 2019 year when he took 13 threes and took 11 free throws per game. How u take a lot of 3s and get to the free throw line so much? Never cared about analytics before that Harden dominance but I started to understand the modern NBA better based on that year alone

@@tjlevey378 Kawhi was asked by Lebron Lebron : Give that guy a map where are you going? Kawhi:Raptors

@@cia6520 “What’s this big red X next to LA you coming to play with me?!😁” -LBJ *Insert Kawhi Laughing meme*

@@anthonycelestin3559 He took a lot of contested stepback 3s and got fouled on some of them, and you know a foul on a 3 pt shot warrants 3 FTAs, so he prolly didn't care about making them shots so much than just drawing the foul.

It all has a place

Skip, stephen A etc is just entertainment, not meant to be taken seriously

@@moltenn7 creates hella casuals though

Or their off-season jobs if you go back a while . . .

Thats why ThinkingBasketball compares era relative impact. Its the only thing thats actually measurable.

I think the effect of that would be less though, because those shots are objectively easier, being much closer to the hoop. You don’t need as much practice to get good at a 10 foot jumper as a 25 foot jumper.

I'm way late to the party but this was exactly what I thought watching this.

​@@docd2295 it's not just a 10 foot jumper; it's balance, footwork, etc. I wouldn't say Karl Anthony Towns' offensive game takes more practice than Olajuwon's did, despite it being, on average, much farther from the basket.

That's one thing I dislike about the current game -- not just less post play but also few medium range Js. Sure the 3 is an additional point, but it seems like a lot of players have just given up on 2s. One sets up the other -- if you only shoot 3s I think you're leaving money on the table.

Definitely, also young KG could handle the ball at times so he'll have more room to dominate too

I doubt hed average 3.5 3FGM per game

@@mikegribanov6105 Increasing your scoring volume can decrease your overall efficiency but when it comes to 3 point shooting particularly, when transitioning from analytics, increasing your 3 point volume will increase your 3 point efficiency. Look at Michael Jordan, an 83% free throw shooter . His early seasons he was shooting 17-18% from 3 point but on 0.6-1 attempts a game so they were probably full/half court heaves or chucks at the end of the shot clock. When you look at his highest volume 3 point seasons, those were the seasons where his most efficient. 42 and 37% with a shortened 3 point line and 35 and 37% with a normal 3 point line on 3 attempts a game. As a matter of fact, Jordan never shot under 35%, when he took two more 3's a game. How about magic Johnson, an 85% free throw shooter ? Same story . 17-20% early in his career on .4 attempts and then in 89-90 where he took 3.5 attempts , he shot 38% from 3. Let's take Lamarcus Aldridge a modern player for example. He's an 81% FT shooter. Last season , took .5 attempts a game on 23% and then finally took the plunge into morey ball this season and is now shooting 38% on 3 attempts a game. When it becomes a rhythm shot for players, they actually shoot better. It's Further from the basket, so less contested than long 2's and is a higher value shot than a long 2.

@@Oppenheimer1967 what are you talking about ? There was 6 players in the league that made 3.5 or more 3s last year. Trae Young made 3.4.. In order to average 3-4 more points a game Garnett would have to turn 3-4 of his made 2 point shots into three point shots, since a 3 is one point more than a 2. Considering I'm not even sure KG averaged 3-4 made jump shots per game period, I highly doubt hed be one of half a dozen most voluminous 3pt shooters in the league

@@mikegribanov6105 I never said he would make 3.5 3’s a game.I said he’d be shooting more at a higher %. Nowhere did I say a power forward is going to shoot as many 3’s as Trae Young. What are you talking about KG didn’t make 3-4 jumpshot a a game? You clearly never watched him play lol.

The 2011 Mavericks changed the league with 3s. They broke all the records that year

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@@ThinkingBasketball awesome!

I agree, and also would like to point out that the concept of "spacing" is a premium in today's league. And the best way to create spacing is to have an 3pt threat who can make multiple 3's if you leave him open. You just don't get that with a long 2.

@@michaelhwang6025 That's a very good point. Duncan Robinson was consistently valuable in the finals even when not taking any shots for exactly that reason

I must say I really like how it allows golden state type offenses to space the floor fluidly, with cuts and motion leading to jaw-dropping shots, as opposed to just backing down in the post every time. How would spacing work with no three point shot? Fair point though I see where you’re coming from

@@jaymz18 Regarding spacing - I'm not proposing to get rid of the three point line - i'm proposing that the line not wrap around in an arc shape to the corners - but instead, be a straight line horizontal across the court. What this does primarily is decrease the analytical value of the 3 point shot - by getting rid of the highest percentage area of the court (the corners). It means PJ tucker can't just hang out in the corner and shoot threes (those would only count as two from that spot on the court). It means we wouldn't see teams assembled like the Rockets (because 3 pointers are harder to make at a high percentage). It means players like Giannis, Simmons, Embiid wouldn't be pressured to learn how to hit a 3 in order to stay relevant. In short - the 3 point shot holds too much influence and power over the game - because players have become better shooters - and so the shot itself needs to be made harder. Warriors basketball (which I love also) would still exist, players wouldn't post everytime, they would simply post more. Right now analytics tell coaches post players are not as efficient as three point shots - that's a problem for Centers primarily. So this is me looking out for centers and making sure there is value in every skill set (not just shooting 3s). But I agree with you - I wouldn't want to see post back downs "everytime" either - the goal in the end is to create enough variety and room on the court for as many unique skill sets as the NBA players have to offer.

Really interesting.

Volume more than anything. Magic Johnson an 85% free throw point shooter shot 17-20% from 3 on .4 attempts a game in his early seasons. When he took 3.5 attempts a game in 89-90, he shot 38% from 3 lol.

"The game plan changed when we finally started getting the big guys," Dampier said. "Getting the ball inside, even though it wasn't said 'hey Louie, take less 3s,' but there was an emphasis on getting the ball into the big guys to make our offense more effective."

@@back2back379 in defense of the plan, they did wind up winning their first aba title in their later years i think 75

@@57wookie I don’t know why you’d have to defend it when I didn’t say anything against it. All I did was just literally quote him word for word.

@@back2back379 I'm sorry I wasn't saying you were, but I was just thinking that a modern lens would view that strategy unfavorably

@@57wookie ah I see. Although if you've got an Artis Gilmore sooting 58% FG, 62% TS, I don't think even by the modern lens people would really complain.

You mean exactly like guys like Steph, Trae, Dame etc. do??

@@joshbelz2951lol 40 feet is a full 7 feet behind the arc. Steph, Dame, Lebron, etc. can and do take some shots from there but it’s nowhere near “consistently.” Compare with their sub-40-foot shots. The point is, until there is a 4-point-line, the game won’t fully incentivize shooting that far deep. There are some advantages (e.g. you still get the extra point from being behind the arc, it stretches out the defense, it can save energy if you’re older like Lebron, it’s unexpected and can be demoralizing to the opponent, etc.) but if they eventually do add a 4-point-line, guys will take so many more attempts from deep and maybe some smartass in 2060 will wonder why everyone in 2021 sucked at shooting.

Why?

I agree, and I see it more and more this decade as we get kids coming into the MS/HS or U15/U17 age teams who have terrible shooting form, bad shooting habits, etc. and yet are convinced they should be able to jack up reckless threes at will. One thing that I have found is that when you get a player today who is willing to practice post moves and can receive the ball in the low post, very few opponents can guard them effectively without fouling. Just some basic pivots and fakes can turn a willing player into the high school equivalent of Kevin McHale or Akeem Olajuwon compared to his or her peers, because his or her peers don't see or have to defend that sort of game regularly.

I find it ironic that Steph Curry and James Harden are their only models, yet they'll end up shooting like Ben Simmons

@Chikolum omg that shot made me so happy for him 😂😂

Dwight apprently told a reporter that he could shoot it consintantly in a gym but doesnt shoot it in a game because he gets nervous and gets cold feet derozan is truely inexcusable tho

@@sarperkizilkaya4531 yeah demar could be so good ‼️‼️

@@tjlevey378 Derozan is good at threes when he shoots a lot of them, he just prefers to dominate the midrange

@@jeremyhalla1757 Yeah. He had a season that was above average from 3. He can shoot them, but for some reason he doesn't.