How Neil Druckmann Killed An Entire Franchise! 

First of all buddy I would like to say thank you so much for such an amazing comment ❤️. These words means a lot to me and act as a motivational force for me to produce more content. Thanks for taking your time out to comment this, made my day ngl 😁. And yes gameplay doesn't even matters tbh, i can still sit down and hop on to gta sa or vice ciy cuz they got epic story. If graphics decided if these games were good or bad, they would have been dead by now. And yes bro, I will always speak my mind! And what I think is right ✅️

@@HaziqtheGamer Awww, you're too kind, my man! You're most welcome, and it is (and many others) who should THANK YOU again for sharing the truth on stuff like what's going with ND, and the gaming and entertainment industry as a whole! 😃💖 You're very welcome, my man! And take it from me, there will be times you'll encounter so much ignorance and shills who'll try to gaslight you, or whatever shady tactics they'll use, but NEVER falter. Speaking the truth isn't only the hardest thing, but not the most 'popular', and so naturally it makes us easy targets, but remain firm and do what you do best. 😀 Also, I don't have ANY issue with the audio, or whatever the dude in one of the comments below complained about. That's HIS problem, not a problem with your video, which again is so well done and is SORELY needed! 😄👌❤ Exactly! It's why I NEVER cared for "graphics" or visuals, because the point of Gaming isn't just to ESCAPE from reality, but to experience a world that is OBVIOUSLY not real and exagerrated, hence why we get extremely fit men and women who aren't like the average dudes and dudettes, not just because of their professions and what they do, hence why they SHOULD be as fit as they are, but they're a form of escape for those who wish to play as an extremely fit man or woman. It's a power fantasy. 👊 When it comes to a certain, "female" character in the fanfiction esque, TLOU "sequel" (NEVER HAPPENED!), that character was as ridiculously buff as she was, despite the world she lives in NOT being the sort that someone can "train" the way she did, was done for ONE purpose and ONLY ONE, which is obviously to make her look "stronger" than the men and takes the "power fantasy" aspect to a whole, other, contrived level. It's BEYOND unrealistic and odd. 😂

I don't like Neil either, and Amy was definitely fired from the studio, which Neil _probably_ had something to do with, but let's not treat that particular theory as a fact. I'm all for scolding the man but with factual information. Still gave a like though for the post being mostly on point.

@@windy3935 Oh it's a FACT, dude. Search Druckmann's name and his "exposition" on how "bad" it is that female characters were made to be, you know how the likes of him view them as, the way they were, and how he wished to "change" them. He not only awarded Sarkeesian with an "award" I'm not going to bother saying what it's for, though you can imagine what, but he also flat out stated how much of an influence she was. He's exactly as I FACTUALLY stated, dude. I don't say things like a lot of opinionated folks do, without the facts and evidences. When I say them, they are what they are. Thanks for the "like", I suppose. lol

@@JosephCoenMason That stuff is evident yes, but I was talking about Amy Hennig. I'm 99% sure that, unlike with other negative facts about him, it hasn't been proven that getting Amy Henning fired is one of them.

Facts! The guy (co writer of TLOU) clearly dislikes him, hence the disrespect, and him going out of his way to paint him in such a disingenuous manner. It felt out of character HOW he went out, something many are calling out the so called "sequel" for, amongst other things, rightfully so.

Lol. Post apocalypse baby! Anyone can go at any time!

That's how you show that you're brave company of games ❤

​@@travisspazz1624Yet Ellie somehow still lives 😂😂😂

​@@overused6632Then tell me kids how is Ellie still alive hell how is Dina still alive? 😂😂 yall make some of the most garbage arguments for this game

Yup but some blind fans still defend druckman, the comment section is the proof. Ig they want part 3 to be even worse

the guy wanted to make horror movies but was laughed out of the room by romero, true story

No it isn't yall make up stuff to sound smart, shut up@@autismofinn3144

Facts!! Druckmann should STAY AWAY from gaming, and entertainment as a whole. He's the sort of "dude" (not really a "male") who Sarkeesian approves of, solely because they're so much alike. 😂

Neil literally wrote the story for the last of us part 1 which is the greatest story in the history of gaming stop capping bro

@@BingBong422 Bruce Strayley was the one who reigned in Druckmann, who originally wanted Joel to play the antagonist of TLOU, the ONE and ONLY TLOU, with Tess going out to exact revenge on him, for whatever "reason". He clearly is agenda driven, and were it not for Bruce Straley, TLOU would've been an utter mess of a "story". Stop shilling for a TERRIBLE game, and a TERRIBLE person, dude. He's not your "friend". And I'm not your "bro". 😂

@@BingBong422 drunkmann wanted to make Tess the Antagonist by the end of the game and had other worse ideas shut down by Straley.. go do your homework you mega meatrider.

Cope buddy, he aint going nowhere, just dont support Naughty Dog@@JosephCoenMason

100%

Yeah part two is the fever dream Joel was having waiting for Ellie to return with antibiotics in the first and only last of us game.

@@Lothnar5070 LOL i love this, makes sense

same here, i think most of the real, actual fans of the franchise consider the story to end with the first part. I noticed Part II seems to be mostly blindly praised by people recent to the franchise and do not fully process how insulting what Neil did, the second part was nothing short of a selfish experiment that had nothing to do with the first part nor the characters they forcibly inserted it in TLOU universe and shoved it on the fans face, bruce strayle not so coincidentally complained of the working conditions and "behaviour" of the "studio" as well besides the many employees who quit due to Neil's behaviour in the development of the second part. As someone who connected with the story and the characters for years since the first game release, the second part makes zero sense no matter what excuses they used to justify their decisions.

Don't worry man i also wasted my money on this we are on the same boat 😂. BTW bro a subscribe will be appreciated

@@HaziqtheGamer I'm already subscribed! 👍😁

I've watched the leaks and cancelled my pre-order! $60 saved!

@@careca6547 You're my hero, man. 👍😁

I have a question for you, are you all running like a flock of sheep to buy the game by pre-ordering the game without knowing the contents? I never make pre-orders, otherwise the game will turn out to be bad or will crash and lag. First, after the game is released, I will watch the streams and videos on RU-vid of the beginning of the game, or at least read the reviews, and only then I buy the content. It is precisely because of you that you support incompetent publishers with money, thanks to you the games come out so bad.

Wise choice, my man! I'll never bother to even look at the cover again.

I played the game, somehow managed to complete the game once, quit ng+ halfway thru Abby day 2, now doing grounded and dragging myself through Abby(the gameplay is worse for her too!). Simply doing it bc the gameplay is good and I like trophies. You should have pushed on to the theater fight and get the happy ending.

Not sure why you "liked" her portion of the game, considering how terribly written and handled they are, along with what you mentioned, but okay.

@@JosephCoenMason the Issue is it feels like a spinoff or side story and not the actual campaign story

Uh the whole game she keeps having her nightmares even after killing Joel. It didn't stop her pain. When she starts doing something good with helping Yara and Lev her nightmares stop. 'Why are you doing this? Lev asked me the same thing. I guess....you don't deserve this. But also, I needed to. I had to.' Total regret just in that dialogue as you start the island sequence.

Yes a forced character appealing somehow to a few. Was it her charming personality? Doubt it.

This is not true at all. Her entire motivation for protecting Lev is to alleviate her guilt for what she did to Joel. I honestly thought the whole nightmare thing was a bit too on the nose, but you STILL missed it entirely.

More like fan fiction, TBH, because anthology stories are at least GOOD, or they CAN be with competant and good writers, which druckman isn't. He cares more about his agenda and "suberverting" expectations, favoring shock value or sincere and good storytelling. TLOU never "needed" a squel, but if it was going to get one, THIS wasn't it.

They copycat Joel and Ellie relationship with Abby and Lev but made it way more absurd and superficial, like a fanfiction

Uncharted 4 was great.

Uncharted 4 was pretty phenomenal, aside from the Nadine fights.

That he did. And just like those try and defend TLJ, they do so for him as well, even though it makes ZERO sense why they would. 😂

​@@MarkusNabokovbecause I loved the game. Intense and emotional.

@@travisspazz1624 bro don't ever say that in public...

The story is not terrible keep crying you know what is silent hill ascension

@@TheNiland43 It IS terrible, dude. But hey, keep crying about and telling yourself that it "isn't". And what exactly does that "game" have to do with anything, aside from the fact that they BOTH told terrible stories? lol

@@JosephCoenMason I mean it won many awards and it’s critically acclaimed. Even Microsoft said that they aspire to this level of storytelling. You just feel offended, Caillou.

@@JosephCoenMason also you know who you look like nasfurto.

Exactly.

Won't help their cause though as fans already know about their true colors. BTW bro a subscribe would be appreciated 👍

Exactly the beggining of Part 1 sets us up to feel for Joel, and then throughout the rest of the game we connect with him and go to his side. Then with no sequal for like 6 years that made people play it again and again each time liking Joel even more

@@Will_Rules Exactly, the people must never have had children because I for one whom am a dad would have done whatever it took to save Ellie who at this point has become his daughter. I actually never thought about that multiple times playing the game would continue to make us like Joel more and more each time. They have screwed up big time here and have lost me for sure and I’m also sure many others as well. I will just chalk it up with Game of Thrones and other projects that blew up their own franchises.

Bravo Sir, well said. Eloquent, honest and far more reflecting of real life motivations and the interpretation of same in the game than most.

agreed 100%. In my personal experience, Those that have gone through Trauma got more out of the game too.

What's more predictible that the main character sparing her enemy in the end, come on

@@randomusername3873 you are right although with the brutality and unexpected death of Joel, Jessie you can’t for certain expect Ellie to let her go. But as she does, it does make sense on the emotional journey level. She only went again after Abby after Tommy comes to her. As she is not healed. What does never make in other stories is that the hero always wins

@@bradmeyer13 great point 🫡🫡

Fully agree with you. Love first one but fuck..... second is even better. They should just get over it allready. I love Joel character but he died as he lived. Its a cruel world

I like the story in the first one more but the second game is better and as time goes on I wanna play the game more.

If you think the people in the second game feel like real people then you got issues

@@SKvldlf yep, that's me.

Ok, but how did the characters not feel like real people in the first game? Yeah I understand why you’d want the 2nd game to be more dark and gritty and real, but There was Plenty of that in the first game. What characters in the first didn’t feel like real people?! Henry And Sam, David, Tess, Bill, Tommy, Joel, Ellie?! You can’t believe those are real people. You could call the 2nd game more realistic, but I don’t buy that more than 20 years of experience would allow Joel to let his guard down around Strangers! And what part about Joel and Ellie, Wiping out entire Militaries Realistic? Nothing is realistic it’s A game! And all the characters are bland as Fuck, Except for Ellie. Fuck Abby, You can’t force me to care about her, just because of her Backstory. You haven’t even given me any reason to try to like her beforehand! Look I’m not trying to Argue, But I think you missed the mark, in making your point.

I disagree with every point you made. "The Last of Us part 2 was and still is one of the most impressive videogames ever made." It's barely a video game at all... aside from some excellent sneaking sections this is just a modern day cover based shooter. If you haven't played Gears of War from early 2000's then I have a secret for ya. It's the cover based system you see here times 1 million. Now if you want to discuss the prowess of the games graphics then I would be far more lenient and those graphics really help convey the imagery for the story but the new story fucking sucks and that leads me to your next point. "Playing as Abby made me sick at the beginning but the more you discover her story the more you actually understand her pain." Abby is not a well written character. She has ridiculous body figure in a post apocalypse world where food in general is difficult to come by. For seemingly no reason she is able to put on 10-30 lbs of muscle mass despite this fact. Her father was murdered in a hospital with a large portion of the Fireflies who also died and she never once wondered why that may have been? The terrible flashbacks trying to tug at peoples heartstrings as her father rescues a goddamn zebra of all things do absolutely nothing to take away from the role Joel felt he HAD to play in order to save Ellie. If you played the first game when it first released you will remember that Abby's father grabs a scalpel and literally stands between Joel and Ellie letting the player know that it's either Ellie or this literal throwaway character. So here we the players are with a unsympathetic contrived story as the soul factor for allowing Abby to behave like an unhinged maniac. "Joel was not a hero or nor a villain, he was just a guy trying to survive this violent world as Abby was not a villain just because our perspective made her one." This is baffling to me... How do you not pick up that Joel failed to save his daughter at the beginning of the first game and spent years beating himself up at his untimely loss of a loved one until the day he was forced to interact with Ellie. The game masterfully guides the player with Ellie and Joel's makeshift father/daughter relationship and perfectly explains everyones motivations for behaving precisely how many gamers would like to think they would behave in the same situation. It's even alluded that by sacrificing Ellie a cure might 'not' be possible as they had been grasping at straws for so long they had begun to do increasingly harmful procedures in last ditch efforts to make something happen. How you could see Joel as anything other than completely justified in the conclusion of the first game makes no sense to me. "This universe made it clear if still someone didn't get it: There is no good or evil, there is just surviving." Don't try to explain away the direct influence of Neil Druckmann to some type of metaphor for the universe being uncaring. This is a fictional piece of work where every contrived event and unforeseen circumstance is the immediate result of bad writing by a terrible game director. You may be forgiving for your own reasons but that doesn't mean the crimes committed against the franchise aren't directly tied to an egomaniac that removed solid capable staff members only to sink the ship by hitting multiple iceberg sized plotholes.

Well thx for your comment but it doesn't change my opinion. I never ever enjoyed a "videogame" as I did enjoy(even if it may be the wrong word) Part 2. But I respect your opinion.

At last someone who gets it!!

From what I can tell it’s a number that’s fewer than those that appreciated the first one. I don’t see what you find positive in that.

filtered shit is stil shit.....

@@singed8853 The naughty dog crew are not there to please the crowd. Ultimately, A game is like a product, you need to choose your customer. There are those that are very vocal and crowded most communication channels. However, their philosophy may not agree with your and you can never satisfy them. Instead of wasting energy on these non-fans, better focusing on those who understand you and want to go on that journey with you. You ends up better awarded. 👆🏼That’s the 20/80 rule for you. Those lousy ones would still watch every move you make, even just to have the opportunity to bad mouth you. In an ironic sense, they are still “fans”, and may bring you free publicity. Better still, their constant battering may unite your core fan base.

@@suisinghoraceho2403 am I getting you right that you think people who don’t like last of us 2 also didn’t like last of us 1 and are ‘non fans’ who can’t be pleased? Asking for clarity because it seems like some sort of conflation is going on. If I said that some people will be pleased no matter what and there’s no point in focusing on them. Don’t you think that misses the point just the same as you have with your comment?

@@suisinghoraceho2403 If I understand you right I have to wonder why you seem to be talking about fringe groups rather than the majority of people who are capable of either enjoying or disliking a game depending on the content of the game itself. It genuinely sounds to me like you are seeking to straw man people who don’t have the same opinion on the game as you. And it seems you are trying to devalue their opinion based on fallacies of how they somehow cannot be pleased or that Naughty Dog doesn't want them to enjoy their product. Is it ‘good’ if the story was completely different, was comedy shlock for example - and it ‘filtered’ people like you out? What if Joel, Ellie, and Tommie were killed off in the first 5min of the game in a car accident and you weren't a fan of the direction the story took? What exactly would be good about that? Is there something inherently good about having 'nonfans' of a game that I'm not understanding? It would have been good if you were a 'nonfan'?

In no real reality other than what was forced would Ellie spare abby, it was her entire goal, and also ending it would've not only made sense, and be in char, but a way to move on all the same.

​@@F11-c1u The whole point of the game was to show that revenge is BAD as in NOT GOOD. That's why she doesn't kill her. Because she knows she will never forgive herself, she had left her baby and her girlfriend just to find and kill Abby, and she realizes that it wasn't the right thing to do. I think so many people misunderstand the end of the game because their view is fogged by the fact that Joel died, and the viewer wants Abby dead.

@@F11-c1u I never said the ending wasn't forced. I'm just pointing out that whoever wrote this video fundamentally didn't understand what the ending was communicating. It's true that it was forced, but the concept itself was good in my opinion. The video mentions that she remembers Joel and doesn't kill Abby because Joel wouldn't want that for her. But the real reason the memory of Joel is relevant regarding the ending is that she remembers she once let resentment dictate her actions, and it brought her so much pain. She made a mistake with how she handled her anger towards Joel, and doesn't want to make that mistake again. Not a bad idea at all, I just wish the game slowly developed Ellie up to that realization, instead of having her be stagnant the entire game only to shift gears at the last second.

@@mikelcraft3.069 Exactly, a forced narrative, out of char just like I said, why would she need to forgive herself in ending the actual person who did it? Abby is not more special than everyone else, oh but because it's abby it's different? And not to mention abby is just some stranger. Yea, no. Who cares about joel?? It was end goal, it made most sense, and somehow, 'no.'

@@knurdyob It's just not realistic, even more so since abby is a complete stranger, she did it to everyone else so far, it was a final resolution, and given as dark and grim as the world is. She also didn't even know abby long, just makes less sense. But I agree with some of what you said.

Yeah, exactly, but the sad part is some die-hard fans believe that they will betray the company if they talk something against it and try to correct them. As a result, they defend these cash grabbers, and the companies get away with this. Personally, I have really fewer expectations with these companies to actually get better from here as they are still making shit ton of money with these poor stories and by running their agendas. And thanks alot man for these compliments - made my day ❤️

How about you add something to the media instead of just consuming?

@@ryderchandler2183 bruh 💀🤣 you are right though I should start focusing on other things in my life other than media, if something good comes out, then I’ll see but I don’t see anything good till maybe next year, I ain’t no writer, I’m just a guy who sees BS and refuses to accept their desires of bad content which is supposedly so gOoD💀

What did he not get it

What do you mean?

@@jmon6662he’s anti-palestine

@@diablok1958 And this is the guy shills "like" and "support". lol

Neil never said he was anti-Palestine and not once did he say that he was pro-genocide. He is Israeli and grew up on the West Bank. He said he had watched a video of an incident where a large group of Israeli soldiers were killed as a kid. He said it had sparked anger in him and a feeling of wanting vengeance. He went on to explain that he later REGRETTED feeling that way, and started to realize a cycle of violence that is created through a brutal world. This sparked the idea of TLoU and TLoU Pt 2 as he wanted to see if he could convey those feelings of intense hate and intense love in a videogame. It seems he succeeded. The fact that most people wanted Ellie to kill Abby would suggest that they themselves would be on the pro-Israel side of the conflict if someone they knew were killed/ hurt by Hamas... Stop trying to twist Neil into some villain just because you didn't like tLoU Pt 2 story direction. 😂

@@kthebarbarian8223 oh no i loved tloup2! bc i can separate art from artist. he’s still anti-palestine though

w comment

Not every story is happy. Get over it . That’s what made this game great. It’s a zombie apocalypse man. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT!

@@felipecervantes7881 Did I say I hated the game? No, but it sure made me not trust them. Killing a main character that made the franchise great at the first hour of the sequel is a dick move and we don't even get to play him so yeah I'm pissed Dunkman knows what he did

​@@felipecervantes7881 it's not a zombie apocalypse. It's the Last of Humanity. And the way they killed him was stupid and cheap, they could do it in a better way. But they chose the easy way without effort.

@@felipecervantes7881I don’t think you understand how characters work pal.

Years later and still some of you try. In no real reality other than what was forced would Ellie spare abby, it was her entire goal, and also ending it would've not only made sense, and be in char, but a way to move on all the same.

'taken the last of her humanity????' Abby is not special compared to everyone else she's killed, it was a resolution, one that should not be brought to a measure of her turning into a monster after, yea cause that makes sense, be real. It was revenge and justice for Joel, not much more.

@@F11-c1u Yes, she is. Abby is the scapegoat Ellie used for her own personal guilt for how she treated Joel, and she is the final excuse to keep ignoring the fact that Ellie hates herself more than anyone else. Revenge and justice for Joel hardly even scratches the surface of Ellie's motivations.

@@krasmasov6852 No, she is not no matter what you want to believe, your percieved gibberish is a reach, no wonder you believe it to be a good story, Ellie can feel bad about her final days with Joel, and possibly with also not being able to save him, but it does not go much beyond that, hence her goal. And why stopping abby in the end would've made more sense.

@@F11-c1u What zero media literacy does to a mf

Thank-you so much man for this comment This is such a big motivator for me ❤️

An entire game about joel and ellie living in jackson would’ve been boring af lol

@@zaraaahm obviously they would be taking out infected and what not lol

What Is captivating and compelling about It?

He did do just that to the series, dude. TLOU's so called "sequel" (more like fan fiction) didn't sold as well as TLOU, and conceptually TLOU is dead, character wise and all. It's no longer the story we once loved in TLOU, the ONE and ONLY game. As for the TV Show, it's garbage, dude. Unnecessary garbage that betrayed the characters, is completely unfaithful, and downright disrespected the fans who loved the OG game. lol

@@JosephCoenMason Sure, YOU don't like it, but I just listed the metrics. Companies don't milk a failure like they do with this and if anything the backlash helped it because here we still are, fighting over it. I think it's the best game made by far, you think it sucks, it is generally a gigantic success with an almost equally huge backlash, often from the right wing (but not always). But pretending like it actually failed is divorced from reality

@@magnusalexander2965 Kept trying to leave my full response, but every time I do it gets taken out, probably due to the censoring and such, but all I'll say is this, it's not just me, dude, but MANY who share the same sentiment and disdain for both the so called "sequel" (not really) to an excellent game, the ONE and ONLY TLOU, and the show is just completely unfaithful to said game. You wish to convince yourself otherwise, you and many others? Go right ahead. But the fact is, it's not a "good" game or a "good" show.

@@JosephCoenMason I don't think you know what "fact" means. If you want to pretend like your opinions are "facts" and that these corporations keep pushing a series that's being rejected by fans and critics, go right ahead

@@magnusalexander2965 Here's the thing, dude. You want to like a terribly made game, with a terribly conceived story, and a VERY terrible "adaptation" in the form of the tv show? Again, go right ahead. But nothing will change the fact that they're terrible, and we'll continue to reject them, not just because we CAN, but because we've every right to, as REAL fans of TLOU. Note I didn't say "series", as there's only ONE game. And of course, we'll continue to call out those like yourself who "like" it, because your reasons for doing so makes no sense.

The actual game is amazing, graphics and gameplay wise. The MAIN story is below average at best, but the little missable short stories between encounters have always been what TLOU has excelled at. The lore behind Seattle QZ and the Seraphites WLF, and by extension the world building is probably one if it’s best features, but that’s probably just me. The worst thing about the game series from what we’ve seen is probably the people running the thing.

Nah I will still give a ❤️ Everyone has different opinions And it's great that you enjoyed the game

The first one was about humanity man, not this one

I didn’t enjoy it at all. I didn’t feel good seeing if play out and I pretend it doesn’t exist. The first one was perfect and the sequel did nothing to add to my enjoyment of the world or characters.

@@singed8853 My friend, your emotions towards the game is not a Law. Not everybody is obliged to have the same feeling.

@@lameiraangelo notice the use of the words ‘I’ and ‘my’. Not sure how I could have made it more clear that I was expressing my opinion. How you were confused or think you need to clarify it bewilders me.

@@singed8853 ...AND I was expressing mine, so darling S.F.U.

@@lameiraangelo here’s my response to you then. Your emotions towards me are not law. Not everybody is obliged to have the same feeling. You know - that’s a pretty mind blowing statement now that I think of it. Such brilliance. Imagine for a second someone saying ‘I don’t enjoy golfing.’ And another person replying ‘your emotions towards the game are not law’. It’s such a laughable comment to make because literally everyone on the planet knows that. It’s weird to me that you would choose to express something so obvious.

You seriously think about this game every day for the last few years? You need to get out more buddy, or if you insist on staying inside then at least treat yourself to some better quality entertainment.

@@dman1417 thanks for your opinions

Cope

what an deep intriguing and grown man answer, literally average answer of person that doesn't like the art of TLOU@@HaziqtheGamer

Art is literally made to be expirienced and judged, especially if you spent money for it

​@@Karowskiiisure, never criticize stuff, God forbid things get better

Also Joel had like 20 years after his daughter died to become that cynical, Abby was just a bad person

Nope, not at all. Compare the "successes" of the ONE and ONLY TLOU, and this fan fiction esque story, and you'll see the difference, dude. And about the "letting go" nonsense, ND don't seem to be able to "let go" of it, and neither are you in trying to convince others to do so. We can critique whatever we wish, and rightfully so. lol

Depends what you mean by success. Financially? sure. But dividing the fan base while causing a large portion to dislike the story is a far cry from a "success".

cry on dude@@MarkusNabokov

@@MarkusNabokovNaughty dog is a business and TLOU is a product, they use it to make money. You’re a human being with a life to live and more important things to focus on, yeah it’s definitely you who should move on if this fictional story is still upsetting you.

Really sorry to break It down to you but it's common for different people to have different opinions. So Cope!

@@HaziqtheGamer Cope with what? That you're an idiot who can't analyze a plot for shit? Yeah, I'll really take some time and try to "cope" with that. lol

No shit Sherlock we got that, the point Is if the reason that all of this is "just the plot" then It doesn't make sense and make the whole game stupid

Hahahaha. This is such a simpleton response. You want a good revenge tale, then read The Count of Monte Cristo. Then you'll see the difference between a great story and this crap. Why were Ellie and Abby the only ones so focused on revenge? This is a brutal, cruel world with lots of death. We see hundreds of other people living in both Jackson and Seattle - simple logic tells you that all of these people had loved ones unfairly ripped from them. If they didn't, then the world isn't that cruel now, is it? So, why weren't there hundreds of people travelling all across the country just to get revenge? If this was an even adequately written story, then there's no way Ellie and Dina even enter Seattle once they see how many people live there. That's just not how people work - the desire to live far outweighs the desire for revenge. And the game is supposed to be a survival game, right? Since it's a video game, I can believe that Ellie would be able to slaughter all of those people in Seattle. But I can't accept that Ellie would believe that. It's just amateurish and unrealistic. TLOU2 is a shallow game that uncritical thinkers believe is profound. I've seen puddles with more depth/

Exactly! it’s so dumb of people to want a fairytale ending in the universe of the last of us like ??? Joel did horrible things in part 1 and lowkey had it coming.

You cant talk if you didnt play it, Abby was a bitch to her friends,and the game is so condescending and ridiculous its painful

It's the other way around

Umm k. I don’t like it because I find it a misery. I guess that somehow makes me dumb according to whatever logic or reasoning skills you pretend to have.

Ellie did, but clearly the individual who did what she did to Joel, had no remorse or regret for what she did. No one really "called" her out for it either.

@@JosephCoenMason Whaaaaaat? Abby's entire story is based on her remorse for what she did to Joel. That's why she dedicates herself to protecting Lev in the first place. She's trying to alleviate her own guilt.

@@krasmasov6852 Doesn't change shit about man abby, terribly written character, terrible story, the only thing going for The last of us part 2 is it's gameplay.

@@jackofalltrades5238 nah

Rightfully so. Why shouldn't we call out, or "attack" as you state, the dude? And why do you care, dude? We do this all the time with whatever studios or individuals who're clearly driven by their agendas, and not storytelling. How is he so "different"? And videos like this will keep coming, which are sorely needed, since not many have the decency and honesty to speak out against the current gaming landscape, which is not "good".

A fanboy is triggered

@@JosephCoenMason because you're not entitled to his work appealing to you or following the narrative you would like it to follow. you are in fact entitled to have you're own opinion about it and to voice that opinion. but if you fail to do so in an appropriate manner and instead of criticizing all you do is forthright hating on the author, then i can point out the objective flaws in the video. again - i am not defending the game nor the author. i said i agree with most points. my argument is that he's done a poor job at analyzing the work critically.

@@nashbullet3213 what exactly about my choice of words makes you think i am triggered? im literally saying that i agree with the points he makes. you fail to see that people can make other arguments than "game bad" and "game good". come back once you have something of value to contribute.

@@casualsinner If you know you ain’t triggered, why bother replying? I know I wouldn’t give anyone the attention if I was triggered. Back to the topic, which of the points raised about Neil Druckmann in the video is a lie for anyone to be neutral in expressing such sentiments? When you are able to come up with something credible to nullify his points, then I’ll give you my full undivided attention. Other than that, you are just being a triggered butthurt fanboy

It makes It a fail because it was done real badly

Brother, all I have to say is, WHY DIDN'T THEY HIRE YOU TO WRITE the fan fiction esque, so called "sequel" of TLOU?! That idea would've been INFINITELY better than what we got, and plus we get to play as Joel's equally badass, little brother indeed! 😀😅👊 Though Tommy isn't as big or strong as Joel, physically speaking, he's still an ELITE level sniper and there's actually a video by a dude who explored that same idea, which involved Jesse and how the two of them would do things to those who did, you know what, to Joel that would make even Ellie not want to stick around and witness it, what they do in the name of revenge, for Joel, I mean. THAT is the game we should've got, hence why whatever we did got NEVER really happened. You made the right choice NOT purchasing it, my man!

@JosephCoenMason - There was in my opinion only one thing the game did get right, and I found this out from watching a few clips of the game, is Ellie finding out Joel had been lying to her, her then cutting Joel out of her life because of it, but by him showing he's still willing to be there and protect her, like he did against Seth's insults, resulting in her deciding to try and open up to him again, I think was all very realistic and well written. And I think the game did very well depicting what a loving father is still willing to do for his child, even when that child hates him, they still care and worry about them, and if anything were to threaten their child, they will still react with parental instincts and rise up to defend them, even when it's unappreciated. So I will give the writers credit for that. The rest of it to me was a bunch of garbage. That being said, I cannot understand how the director is a "feminist" and "hates men", when he himself is a man. How can you hate your own kind? Is it really that he hates men, or is it that he really hates himself? As regards Tommy, I saw in the show that it was revealed Tommy was a sniper in Desert Storm, which definitely explains the abilities he had in the game, not just his marksmanship, but his battlefield strategy, and knowing how exactly to use the environment to his advantage, but in the game he evidently was never in the military, so it'd be interesting to know where he acquired that knowledge and skills. I don't think it could've been from his time as a Hunter, because from merely observing the Hunters from the first game, they were vicious, but didn't seem very well organized or overly skilled. After watching clips of the game, I HATE what they did to Tommy - having him end up a half-blind cripple - that was a such a dirty move. He should've been the playable character in the third installment, but I guess based on the director's personal beliefs, according to this video, that wouldn't be acceptable. Like I said I never bought part two, nor I have ever played it, and If part two is any indication of what part three will be like, I definitely will not be buying or playing the third installment, either.

@@thecowboy9698 Oh man, you're WAY kinder than I am with giving those hacks any "credit", my man. 😂 Though it was FRUSTRATING that Joel didn't stood up for himself, or spoke up to Ellie when she was throwing a temper tantrum (more on that below), I can kinda see what you mean, about the unconditional love of a father. The scene with Seth was so forced and annoying, because of the whole "sandwich" line and just how, again, forced it felt. Since when was who Ellie slept with became such a big deal? It's like they want to remind us that she's, whatever, and show us how in ANY stories involving stuff like that, which I DON'T support at all, there has to be at least one dude or whoever, that insults them based on that, without any "reason" or "cause" to. It's so silly and forced. lol Now, about Ellie's temper tantrum. Here's the thing, Ellie very much KNEW that Joel was lying, or at least that he was hiding something from her, and as this one video with an interesting theory pointed out, BASED ON HER FACIAL EXPRESSIONS and the sigh she gave by the end of TLOU, it indicated how she knew something was amiss, yet apart of her wishes to believe Joel. Over time, her suspicions grew and grew, and though she'd like to blame Joel for everything, WITHOUT acknowledging WHY he did what he did, she's partly to blame. She knew, or suspected, that he must've done something that carries severe consequences, yet because she loves him she chose to turn a blind eye to it. When she does learn about it, rather than throwing a temper tantrum the way she did, she should've been able to understand WHY he did what he did, and though she wouldn't necessarily "forgive" him for it, at least not yet, she'd ask him for "time". Time away from him, so that she can process the whole thing, and see what comes between them. And if she's going to "forgive" herself for whatever, it shouldn't just be how she treated Joel, but her once again carrying a part of that blame. If the game was supposed to be about how "revenge is bad", then WHY did the character in game actions and cutscenes CONTRADICTED that whole idea?! It's a clear example of cognitive dissonance, which this game is riddled with. It tries to have its' cake and eat it too. The gameplay encourages us to be aggressive, yet we're TOLD that this and that is "bad". In TLOU, EVERYTHING was left ambiguous, as the story didn't say point fingers at whoever, but had the right balance in depicting characters who did what they did for understandable reasons, minus David's group who were just vile and cannibalistic. lol My point is, the writing for that isn't as "good" as you believe it is, or as you like to think it is. Druckmann absolutely DESPISES Joel, otherwise he wouldn't have been so dumb as to let his guard down the WAY he did, same goes for Tommy, and that spit to Joel, by one of the characters, was such a LOW BLOW. It's simple, my man, like all "male feminist" they believe in what the "feminists" do, how men are this and that, and how they wish to "change" something that wasn't there, nor was it EVER an "issue". The depiction of female characters, men being men, and just telling GOOD stories, which Druckmann was NOT "good" at. He never was. Bruce Straley was the one who many SHOULD praise for TLOU turning out well as it did, because he REIGNED IN Druckmann. Otherwise, you can imagine what he would've done with Joel, who was originally meant to be the antagonist of the 1st and ONLY game, and Tess would take him down. That character, whose name I won't say, shouldn't have been included in the game, and instead it should have been Joel, Tommy, and Ellie. Ellie would get kidnapped after running away from the group, due to her anger towards Joel, and Joel would go to rescue her. Ellie would struggle to free herself, and along the way she encounters a few folks who, through their interactions, she'd come to realize the lengths Joel was willing to go for her, a father's love if you will, and came to regret how she treated him. Joel would go out in a blaze of glory, separating himself from Ellie, who cries out to him to not do it, but he dies a hero, saving her from a horde of infected and human hunters, or whatever. Before she can tell him "I'm sorry." or "I forgive you.", he'd tell her not to and instead that he's glad she's alright. Something like what Arthur Morgan did in Red Dead Redemption 2, telling this lady and her son to not "thank" him or even look at him, but to just take the money and live a good, peaceful life, after what he did to them. I can go on and on, my man, but yeah you made the right choice not buying it. I don't think you and others should give Druckmann or the "writers" any "credits" for whatever, especially when they don't deserve it, but to each their own, I suppose.

@@thecowboy9698 And yeah, couldn't agree more on the last bit with Tommy. You want to know what's funny, my man? He still has ONE, GOOD eye, and if he can still fire a pistol or whatever, I don't see why he'd "struggle". He'd obviously have to be more cautious, but with training and optimism, especially as a man whose strong willed, ANYTHING can be done. I just don't like how unrealistic that whole scene at the end is, like the rest of the game which IS garbage. Snake in Metal Gear Solid 3 said as much himself, "I still have one good eye, and can fire a weapon."

@JosephCoenMason - The only problem I can see with Tommy is not the fact that he has only one eye, but the fact that he has very limited mobility, thanks to being crippled from that leg injury. I mean to be in that type of world, and in a combat situation, it's just common-sense that aside from having skills, you gotta be able to move fast if needed. And though Tommy would still have the skills of a deadly sharpshooter, would he be able to move quickly enough to get himself out of danger if needed, or come to the aid of someone else quickly enough if they were in trouble?

thank you. This man right here gets it.. get off Joel’s meat stick and look at the wider story/climate.

So if David from the first game had a child, that child's perspective of Ellie killing her dad would be legitimate then?

@@crazyinsane500 Yes.

It's pointless to explain this to someone whose looking to get some sort of reaction out of, whoever, but the issue goes FAR beyond Joel's death, dude. As bad, terribly conceived, and mishandled as that was, the issues comes in the writing, inconsistencies, and just how manipulative and forced everything surrounding this "game" is, which you champion so highly. 😆 You want to boast how it's your "fav game"? Fine. The fact is, it's a BADLY made game with a TERRIBLY thought out story.

​@JosephCoenMason the story was amazing, and had some really deep moments.

@@thomaswalters597 Keep telling yourself that, dude. Better yet, keep believing in the lies you and others continue to hold onto, how the game's "story" is this and that, yet the reality is it's a TERRIBLY conceived story that was as disrespectful to the characters, especially Joel, Tommy, and Ellie, as it was to the fans. The REAL fans of TLOU.

This was kinda a waste of time typing bro lol, last of us 2 remaster won't sell and part 3 won't sell either its fucked cos of part 2 and niel is gonna get fired or take down naughty dog.

@@gaminginhdmax3854 You're definitely right about that, my man. It IS a waste of time bothering to explain to those who still can't accept that the game is BAD. Volition crumbled, and so will ND.

I'll address what you said no problem. Ellie leaving the map behind is totally fine. Tommy and Jesse didn't notice, and Ellie was suffering extreme emotional trauma in that moment. Ellie was conflicted about what to do with Abby. She wanted to make her suffer, but not really out of hate for Abby. Ellie was primarily motivated by her own guilt. A major theme of this entire story is self-destruction, and Ellie continues that until the very very end. Dina wanted Ellie to stop when she realized she was pregnant, and by the time they were living in the farmhouse, Dina fully thought that Ellie had let it go already. All the rest of your complaints are really vague and can be dismissed out of hand with a simple "nuh-uh" unless you go in more detail. Lol that's hardly the game's fault. It asked for gamers to have basic levels of media literacy, which is apparently a big ask. Nah game's pretty good, especially from a narrative perspective. It gets a lot of talk because it was used as a cudgel in the nonsense culture war, but as a game, it's pretty solid. Not the greatest ever, but easily the greatest of 2020. Nope, the ending of the first game still works brilliantly. If there's one thing about TLOU2, it's that it revealed just how many people didn't understand TLOU1. The vaccine would've worked. The thematic and narrative conclusion of TLOU1 depends on the vaccine being viable. The culmination of Joel's arc is weak if he's not sacrificing something big for Ellie's sake. In fact, your misreading of the first game makes the first game's ending ruined. The ambiguity is in whether or not sacrificing a child for a vaccine is worth it. The vaccine itself would've worked. That ambiguity is, of course, still maintained in Part 2. You just see the perspective of the Fireflies who believed they were in the right. Even then, however, we see an extra scene of Marlene arguing with Jerry about it, and in that scene, Jerry was too much of a coward to answer her most important question. "What if it was your daughter?" Also, Jerry isn't the only possible guy in the world. He's the only possible guy they were aware of. Again, this supports the sacrifice that Joel made in the first game. Also, Joel is completely in the wrong? Then what's that last flashback scene about? Ellie confronts him about what he did, and he doubles down. Afterwards, Ellie REWARDS him for doing so by saying that she's going to try and forgive him. Whoops, you didn't listen to Marlene's recordings or read her journal in the first game did you? They are missable collectibles to be fair, but you are purposely ignoring context that contradicts your characterization of her. She's completely consistent in both games. Again, Jerry is depicted as a flawed character. He clearly cares for animals, Abby, and the future of humanity, but he is too much of a coward to answer Marlene's question about what he'd be willing to sacrifice. Also, capitalism isn't a problem in the world of TLOU like it is in reality lol. And yes, it would be difficult to produce and distribute. Difficult, but not impossible. Despite the state of the world, Jackson got a hydroelectric power plant working, so the kids in town can watch movies and everyone can have power and shit. Difficult things are still worth doing. That's like one of the most essential aspects of the human condition. Joel is not made out to be a villain. He's incredibly sympathetic in TLOU2. His love for Ellie is more powerful than just about every other force in the game. He sacrificed the world for it, and didn't regret it for a second. Your arguments are bad.

​@@krasmasov6852 Aaaaaand this is one of the reasons why people hate this game. Because they're tired of hearing pretentious assholes like you go to the ends of the earth to defend it. 1. What part of my comment was vague? And how were my arguments bad? Those were words a child could understand. You should probably get better at reading, pal. 2. Ellie leaving the map behind and nobody noticing it is NOT fine. It makes Tommy and Jesse look like fucking idiots and it also makes me wonder how these three dumbasses survived for this long. Sure, it might make sense if it were a real life scenario, but this is a walking simulator video game, and suspension of disbelief is practically non-existent at this point. 3. Joel is practically vilified and treated like a prop to kick off the narrative. If you actually played the game, then you'd know just how hard they try to make the Fireflies seem like the good guys in the second game, when it wasn't like that in the first game, therefore ruining the first game's bleak and perfectly morally ambiguous ending. Even in the flashbacks, the game acts like Joel's completely wrong, and Ellie treats him like shit, when he should've been shown as half wrong and half right, to make it "rEaLiStIc." Bro cannot catch a break. 4. This game isn't the greatest game of 2020, and I can think of multiple games that deserve that title. It's super buggy and mind numbing at times. I literally fell through the floor and was stuck for two minutes, before I hit a kill plane. It took Naughty Dog 7 years to make this mess. Were 6 of those years spent on smoking crack and watching paint dry or what? Sure, the gameplay's good and better than the first game, but half of the game is boring walking while characters talk to you. At least in the first game, the story was engaging and interesting enough to where I don't mind the walking sections. But in the second game? It's boring as shit, and you can't change my mind on that. 5. How can you truly prove that there are more people out in the world that could make a vaccine, that the Fireflies weren't aware of? Do you have proof? At no point does Marlene or any other character ever say, "There could be more out there that could make a vaccine." At no point does the game ever establish that not only Jerry can make a vaccine. I ask again, do you have proof? Thought so. Yet another baseless and irrational argument from you. 6. I did listen to Marlene's recordings in the first game, and they prove my point even further. That the Fireflies had almost no fucking clue what they were doing, and that they weren't 100% in the right, just like Joel wasn't 100% in the right either. Hell, they were literally terrorists and basically bombed innocent people at one point in the story. And for the second game to act otherwise is objectively horrible writing, I'm sorry. It's just awful. The first game understood its characters and asks the player to understand them too, even if they don't like them or relate to them. Hence why many players may understand Joel, understand why he did what he did, but dislike his actions. The second game does none of that, which is why the characters in the second game are nigh incomprehensible, schizophrenic, stupid, and unrealistic. They don't feel real, but the characters in the first game felt real because they were actually fucking fleshed out and treated with respect lol. So don't come to me with that "gO iNtO mOrE dEtAiL" bullshit. At that point, it's clear that you're just mad I'm right. Find better arguments instead of that type of shit. 7. There's a reason why I said the characters are one-note, uninteresting, and idiotic and why you have to be a mindless brainlet with the complexities of a fetus to be able to comprehend this batshit ridiculous story. For example, Abby's literally a plot device, she isn't a character at all. She only exists to continue the plot. Her story is a worse rehash of Joel from the first game in every possible aspect. How about her friends? Mel? She's pregnant...that's it. Nothing more to her character. How about Owen? He's a dickhead who dabbles in infidelity. How likeable, am I right? How about Manny? He watches anime and speaks Spanish, isn't that soooo quirky? How about the characters in Ellie's story? Let's start with the angsty woman herself. She's sad that she never had the chance to fully reconcile with Joel before her death...? She literally knew he was lying about the Fireflies! How did it take her THAT long to go to the abandoned Fireflies base and discover the truth for herself? That's on her for not figuring shit out sooner. Unlikeable ass piece of shit. Nothing like the Ellie from the first game, she feels like a completely different character, and maybe that was supposed to be the point, but I'm not fuckin' buying it. And when she says to Joel, "I was supposed to die in that hospital! My life would've fucking mattered!" That makes no fucking sense, because in the first game, Ellie never wanted to give her life some sort of purpose! It was about giving sense to all of the deaths at the hands of the infected, like Tess, Sam, Henry, etc. She wanted those deaths to mean something. Ellie has survivor's guilt, not a lack of meaning in her life. Further proof that the writers of the second game didn't understand or respect the characters AT ALL. How about Tommy? The guy who, out of nowhere, tries to guilt trip Ellie into making an epilogue out of this long ass horribly paced shit show. What the fuck is this character? Wasn't he tryna convince Ellie not to hunt after Abby before? What's with the sudden 180? And no, his wife divorcing him is not enough for me to believe he'd have a extreme shift of character. Or what about Dina or Jesse? Literally no personality to these blank slates. Boring as shit. Remove them from the game and nothing will change. Also, why did Dina wait until before the epilogue to try and convince Ellie not to hunt after Abby??? Oh wait, but then, we wouldn't have a game if she actually used her fucking brain. My bad for thinking for a nanosecond that any of the characters in the second game have at least a single braincell. Whoopsie! Reminder, this is a full price game that we waited 7 years for, only for the writing, pacing, and characters to be THIS incoherently dogshit. Amazing. This game just isn't good. Just admit it dude. You're just trying to be different. So edgy. The game doesn't even go all the way with its themes. It pussies out and shits itself everytime. Everytime Ellie kills someone in a cutscene, it's either in self defense, framed in a way that clears Ellie of any wrongdoing, or because she's trying to save someone. Take Owen and Mel's deaths, or for example. Ellie literally kills them because they attacked first. It was in self defense. They did this so Ellie wouldn't seem like too much of a unsympathetic and morally questionable character. There's so much shit I could complain about when it comes to this game. I could go on forever. But I won't, not to get a laugh out of a bridge troll like you. In short, mid ass game. All that meatriding, you need a new butt lmao 💀💀💀💀

​@@krasmasov6852 Anyway, you want a thorough and in-depth explanation of why TLOU2 is bad? Watch Macabre Storytelling's video called, "The Last of Us Part II | An Incoherent Disaster". That video is amazing and describes my thoughts on TLOU2 perfectly.

@@ElectrikStatik900 Your arguments are still bad. "Sure, it might make sense if it were a real life scenario" Boom you just defeated your own argument. The story only works if you are hurt by Joel's death. Additionally, he's portrayed as incredibly sympathetic, and there's a portion of the game during Ellie's birthday flashback where she essentially travels through a museum of Firefly war crimes. Then you will remain wrong. If you liked the walking parts in the first game and disliked them in the second game, you are being fundamentally inconsistent, especially since the writing is actually improved in the sequel. I spoke about a possibility, not a certainty. If you want to prove me wrong, you would have to prove that there is no one else in the world who could make a vaccine. Gonna need you to go into more detail. The nuance is maintained well in Part 2, as I previously explained regarding the Fireflies and the highlight of their war crimes. Also, the Fireflies did know what they were doing. They hit a wall in their research, but Ellie was the answer they needed to get past it. Abby is more fleshed out as a character in Part 2 than Joel was in Part 1. The core of her arc is her struggling to cope with the guilt of what she did and deciding to address her grief by helping someone rather than obsessing over hurting someone. The story is about Abby, Ellie, and Joel. Side characters don't need as much characterization as the focus. That's how basic storytelling works. But even then, you are grossly misrepresenting the other characters. Mel is Abby's old best friend and genuinely cares for Owen all while trying to become the best doctor she can be to help people. Owen is one of the most sympathetic characters in the entire story who is in love with Abby clearly but was pushed away by her obsession with killing Joel. Mel was his rebound, but he never got over Abby. Manny is the ride or die best friend and the only one who is on Abby's side 100% of the time no matter what. Ellie didn't know Joel was lying. She suspected but decided to take him at his word. Considering the trauma of their journey and the impact of her not being able to make a vaccine (the perceived solution to her survivor's guilt), it makes perfect sense that she would want to cling to a sense of belonging with Joel at Jackson. Of course, that wouldn't last, though, because her suspicion wouldn't simply go away. Lol you seem to think that survivor's guilt and life not having meaning are mutually exclusive concepts when they are actually inextricably tied. One feels guilty that they survived when so many others didn't because they don't see the value in their own life. Duh. Tommy initially wanted to handle it all himself, but he became disabled after Seattle. When he couldn't do it himself, he had to choose between letting it go or getting someone else to do it for him. He ultimately chose the latter because he couldn't let go of his vengeance. Calling Dina or Jesse a blank slate is absolutely hilarious given that they both have more characterization than characters like Henry or Tess. Remove them from the game and everyone's dead. Well done. And thematically, Ellie wouldn't have as much to struggle against regarding her internal conflict. That, of course, makes her arc much weaker. Also, Dina initially believed that Abby deserved to die, but after what happened in Seattle and having her kid, she was not willing to let the woman she loves throw away all that out of petty revenge. It's almost like she grew as a person through the events of the story. Are stories supposed to do that? Are characters supposed to change and grow? I don't know. You're a story expert, right? Is that how it's supposed to work? Can you explain to me how Ellie torturing Nora to death is done out of self-defense?

Did you play the first game? I think that yes It uses those manipulation too but than show something to gain from it or sonething like that

​@@gaia7240 As I said, I love those characters, the acting and everything else except the one that I pointed out but I absolutely agree that the 1st game was way better. Hell as much I loathe the killing of little Sarah it makes sense that people would die in a zombie apocalypse but the killing of Joel is without a doubt the worst and most unnecessary death ever in cinema / game history.

And it's a MESS of a game, like the others he's made, minus TLOU. lol

@@MarkusNabokov Okay so you dislike one game he made and love another, neither would exist without him is my point. You're acting like there are 10 bad games he's made in your view, but at Naughty Dog he's only really made the two TLOU games.

The hell

Yeah same lol this is the only game i hate and that's because I loved the first part and waited so long for part 2 only for them to destroy it in evey way possible

Couldn't agree more, my man! It's the same case with the recent Alan Wake game, which has ALL the problems and more with its' story, HOW it was told, and so on, so forth, yet others claim it's a "masterpiece", when it's BARELY passable.

@@HaziqtheGamer then people will say " that's the point " " it's explained " " you missed the point " etc etc when it's clear they don't understand a thing. If movies and games want to do a sequel they need to step their game up and give us the best thing possible as much as they can not disappoint us and do things just for pure shock value that adds nothing.

@@JosephCoenMason apparently everything is a masterpiece for everyone nowadays lol. No one was using that word until Last of Us 2 released and everyone kept saying it. I just wish Last of Us 2 was told better, done things differently, give us new game features/mechanics that changes things around, the only thing we get is prone and a slight jump....like what exactly was the 7 plus years?? How do they go from a game everyone loves and got a good score to part 2 which is a complete disaster? They took something that everyone loves and completely destroyed it along with a BELOVED character like Joel who they did so dirty along with Tommy and Ellie, they don't feel nor act like themselves and it has sooo many issues but then shills get mad when people critize their so called " masterpiece ".

It's a fictional story. No one wants realism in it. We play games to escape the real word and relax. Plus ik Joel was a horrible person, but he was the main lead of the story. They first made fans emotionally attached to the character and killed him off with a golf stick like bruh.

There's no happy feel good ending rule for fiction. Saying that no one wants realism is weird.

There are charachters that literally teleport from one place to another, you cant talk about realism

@@gaia7240 'Literally' teleport? Do you understand what 'literally' means? By the way, contextually, realism here refers to the inevitability of death for someone like Joel. The game is fiction, not a biopic, after all.

@@HaziqtheGamer the millions of fans who adore the game for its realism would disagree.

Missing the point. Misleading Marketing Arrogant Writing Bad Writing (makes it infinitely worst) Just putting twists simply for the sake of subversion like Game of Thrones S8 is epitome of BAD WRITING.

@alphamineron How many movie trailers purposely mislead every year? That's good marketing. Gets people interested. Plus, who knows if the "misleading scene" wasn't something like a cutout dream sequence for Ellie. Also, "bad worrying" is an opinion. I personally found the narrative to be just fine.

*"Anyone who still thinks that Jole acted out of character hasn't paid enough attention/ is cope-ing."* Sounds like you're projecting sweet cheeks

@@Lothnar5070 you did the classic thing that people who don’t know what they’re talking about do. _Make a claim, then don’t elaborate on it at all._ That’s as useful as saying nothing at all. How am I projecting? You’re saying that I’m cope-ing or haven’t paid attention to the game? You won’t provide evidence because there isn’t any.

Ayee, thanks for the compliment! BTW can you explain this point, i have heard about it but don't know the detail.

I think sometimes the intuit of art is to provoke and cause discomfort or even frustration. TLOU2 does that. It’s not perfect but I always think about this game

TLOU2 flatters people into thinking they're smart for thinking it was smartly written. If you're not actively self aware about media that tries to pull that, it's easy to get lulled in. You might not actually like the game, just like that it makes you feel smart.

@@crazyinsane500 Lmao "your feelings are wrong." Brilliant argument, dude

Your first sentence is correct. That's exactly what a sequel is for lol. And for Part 3, they would continue that character development even further that was established in Part 1 and Part 2. Duh.

​@@krasmasov6852 Oh 😯You're a genius..I never would guess you could say thats what a sequel is for. 1. The most meaningful character development in part 1 has been wrapped up in part 2, there's nothing worth much to build on.. 2. What character development happened in part 2 that was meaningful? Half the game is playing as someone everybody couldn't wait to kill. Lol

​@@jessecuevas6456I think you forgot about Ellie's entire existence. And did you not pay attention to Abby's story?

​@@krasmasov6852 Her entire existence was to get revenge for the killing of her father figure. Everything revolved around that in part 2 and now thats wrapped up. So what now? Did I forget about Abby?!? If you weren't a moron you would see thats who I mentioned "everyone wanted to kill" at the end of the game. You really think people want to continue playing as Abby? Lol

@jessecuevas6456 Lol, no it wasn't. She was reconciling her own guilt. Bro, I don't think you got this story at all. And yes, people will want to play as Abby again because she's a really compelling character

Thank you so much man for the support and appreciation 🙏 ❤️ means alot!

How on earth would it have “made things worse.” Even the logic from within the story was just that killing her would change nothing. Not made Ellie’s life worth. She still loses everyone she cares about. Nothing changes that which is why she doesn’t kill her. I think it’s a shitty reason but I guess that’s the logic.

@@billcactusgaming130 because ellie knows this wouldn't have been what joel wanted you probably did not pay attention at all

Joel wiped out the entire fire flies just to save one person, no way Joel would have spared abby, but the thing is they made Joel dumber In the second game just like goku in Dragon ball super 😭

@@HaziqtheGamer they didn't make joel dumber they just made him nicer. he was on a redemption arc before his death in a way. also don't listen to the ppl saying joel would have spared abby because he obviously wouldn't have but that's why Ellie, as flawed as she is, is a better person than Joel in the end

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Funny. You could't pay me 10k to spend 20 mins on this mess.

Nice try, Druckman.

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L opinion

Please explain why it is good

You do realize this is not your channel 🙁

Thanks alot buddy for the kind comment!

can someone explain what he did that was so bad? I've seen nothing to show how he was a bad person in this video nor in the comments

take it easy lol

Exactly. Bunch of babies.

Did you play the first?

That's not gonna happen now as Joel is dead

Ahh come on man when did i said that i speak for the entire community, I just put forward facts with video evidences. Plus you said you wanted revenge but the story didn't even did that by sparing abby lol how is that a masterpiece.

I disagree with every one of the criticisms in this video. Every alternative suggestions is a boring cliche too. Blaze of glory my ass.

@@HaziqtheGamer watch this before you post more videos about this game. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UJ-Ly__HBJg.html