How NOT to Make a Sequel | Deus Ex: Invisible War Retrospective 

You know, up to this point I tryed to ignore the insertion of your own political agenda into your videos but this time you really took the cookie... You do know that the _"people"_ responsible for those _"few broken windows"_ are also responsible for up to 36 dead since the riots startet, including David Dorn and Jessica Doty-Whitaker? Not to mention that these _"few broken windows"_ in Minneapolis alone accumulated *500 million dollar* in property damage and I don't even want to know the numbers from NY, Seattle, Portland ect.

hey its the guy who complained about witcher wasnt diverse enough xD

@@darknessviking haha. I too noticed he was a sjw, and I'm not even american or english.

Thanks Chris D. Great video as always!

@@aweigh1010 even with all the "white Latinos for Trump", Trump still lost in 2020.

Sad

One of my favorite lore tidbits from the series! :D

@@saintallison have you read the books? If you like the world building the codex and planet descriptions provide, then you'll love the books. The original three, by Drew Karpyshyn, of course. Not the Andromeda disasters...

@@MrFreshBanana I read Revelation before playing the first game in 2012, and I absolutely loved it! To be completely honest I've never played 2, but if Karpyshyn wrote tie-in novels I'll definitely check them out! I was cautious about continuing the series after hearing so many complaints about 3 since I didn't want be disappointed, but being much older now I think I could appreciate the good in the series even if it doesn't end as well as it should have.

@@saintallison To be honest, I don't remember the state 2 and 3 were in on release, but with all the DLCs and updates they are absolutely worth your time. I vaguely remember being disappointed by 3s ending. But on my recent play through I wasn't. Don't know if I've grown up a bit or they really fixed the ending. Best, if you start with 1 again, to refresh yourself, and also to import the same character into all three games

With that Bioware clearly didn't care all that much about the combat to add a reload button, and just made a semi-scientific lore reason to justify it. Not that I'm complaining, but it is a pretty clear case of the lore justifying the gameplay as opposed to vice versa.

I never noticed the Moby Dick reference in the coffee shop names before! Clearly a nod to another famous coffee chain that goes by the name of the first mate.

Love that coffee shop music too

The one in Seattle where the VOX club owner asks you to kill an arms dealer is fun too, mostly because you can fuck over everyone involved.

Ragdoll physics are awesome! I'm following the Deus Ex: Reborn+ project with hopes of replaying Deus Ex 1 with body ragdoll physics one day

Lol I remember sending people flying with the smg & sniper as a kid

In my opinion, Thief Deadly Shadows still turned out very good, it was the limitations that kept it from reaching its full potential. Whereas this game was deliberately overly simplified in addition to the hardware limitations.

Mandalore gaming already did a great video about it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AScCVzENcjs.html

He's an overeducated, middle class, English man with alot of self loathing in regards to his own ethnicity... The types of circles he hangs around in on Reddit etc has conditioned him to think and speak a certain way. As a Brit I've met countless middle class students and graduates who speak and act out just like him, they all think a certain way and generally are so entrenched in their socialist mindsets nothing can shake them out of it. He is a walking, talking stereotype at this point with little ability to truly think for himself.

Yeah. You have to close enough to see someone's pores to guarantee a hit with a firearm even with decent points in that weapon's proficiency. I just sneak around cattle prodding people instead.

Weapon mods did speed this process up though, so if there was a particular weapon you really liked using, you could just invest most of your mods into that weapon and pretty quickly turn it into a laser. I was already able to play it like a shooter before leaving New York.

Well if you like run and gun games then yea, though I liked the way Deus Ex forced you to think of other ways to deal with enemies, you could go non lethal or avoid conflict entirely, and over time when you accumulate weapon mods and skill points you can run and gun as much as you wanted.

@@SmallLegacy Honestly I justify didn't like how a a cyber cop has worse aim than my grandma. It's good to have options and I've played HR mostly in stealth and using non lethals, but it was fun to have an option to just blast someone.

@@HappyZavulon I Personally disagree, I think the system works quite well. The problem is that the hit registration for enemies, sound design, and animation doesn't make it feel like you're hitting anything. Hell, the 10mm pistol in DX1 is fairly broken if you invest into it and can down most enemies with a headshot.

I’d love to see a review of this game by someone who ACTUALLY loved it instead of legit everyone hating on it lol

Mankind Divided is really good though, but they never get the gunplay quite right tbh. that's the price we pay

@@clone796 : The complaint about keycodes is interesting because in later Deus Ex if one knew the code it was revealed at entry, otherwise one had to hack.

I won't call it nitpicking when you can literally knock out _everything_ in this game with a baton just by maxing out strength and EMP melee damage. It's fun but it also makes the experience really numb and unintentionally hilarious because no one bothered to fix this. Not even DX1 gotten this bad.

All you need is to turn off nvidia overlay, that causes the issue

@@kova1711 You know what's weird? The Visible Upgrade changes the in-game font to OCR A (which I'm a big fan of), but i's harder to read than Handel Gothic (for me, at least).

I played it eh there are worst ways to spend your time, you can give it a shot lol

I second Alessandro's comment - I played it when it originally came out - It was alright - I played all of the different endings, and yes - the game is a lot smaller / shorter, but still fun. Although Human Revolution or Mankind Divided are both better.

It is a waste of time, if a game is bad, let it be entertainingly so, this game is boring.

If you like the Deus Ex world then it's worth playing. It's not that bad

You _really_ don't need to play it. There's nothing that's so groundbreaking that it requires you to invest the time. The "big twists" (WTO and Order being the same, JC Denton being alive, Paul somehow(?) being alive) are either given short-shift or don't really mean anything until it's too late to care. The gameplay is so ho-hum that i found it to be a chore.

yeah i played it after the original deus ex & really enjoyed it. the first 1 was more immersive imo but this had some great missions, like rescuing the kids in the tarsus academy & the abandoned antarctic base. very atmospheric.

It's my favorite of the bunch

He's not here for a debate. He just wants to bate you and mock you in the next video. You're just an “internet baby” to people like him just let it go

He always at least puts one virtue signal in his videos

@@humidsnake1291 this one comes out of nowhere to.

Ah, so he snuck a pro-BrunLootMurder rant in this one. Good to know that i can skip this video as well.

ok internet baby

It almost looks like intentional irony. He used the "tapestries of ignorance" line from JC as well as his criticisms of how the protagonist takes the Denton's ideas as gospel without answering back... That sounds like a person frustrated with dealing with people who assume their moral and intellectual superiority over you, and irritation at having to deal with them. Either its irony or a critical failure of self-awareness.

Have you read their comments? I could hear them crying and stomping their feet from here.

Same for me, I was on the og Xbox back then. Both Invisible War and Chronicles of Riddick blew my mind with their worlds. Maybe IW is a step down from the original but it was great in its own way. Someone who starts playing Deus Ex with it will like it more. I did.

You gotta play the original

thats a bad example. da was not pretending to be a sequel. if anything baldurs gate 3 fits more.

@@megamike15 Invisible War doesn't call itself "Deus Ex 2" either. From the name it sounds more like a spin off, rather than a sequel. As for bg3 i do admit i'm not a fan of the direction it's going for, but we'll see when it's released.

My buddy just brought this over and we played it. My first time seeing it

I remember playing on the original Xbox and being blown away by the ragdoll physics . Tossing bodies over fences never got old to a young naive me lol

Coming back to this game a couple years later, I think the main reason I wanted to enjoy it (keyword wanted) was because I enjoyed the first game so much and I wanted to experience more of its world and the consequences of my decisions as a player. It was interesting to see how the story acknowledged each of the different endings and allowed you to made a more final choice this time, including the semi-secret Omar ending.

Deus Ex IS ONLY ENTERTAINMENT

Virtualization sounds like it would be an easier path unless one needs hardware accuracy.

Deadly shadows was fantastic even if inferior to 1 and 2

Is it only this game in particular or any snow level in any game? Cause for some reason I enjoy them a lot,games, films, books whatever is set in harsh, snowy environment I love it.

@@sebastiansochanski Good question. I think this one seemed to do it best relative to other games I'd played at the time? The crunch of the snow underfoot sounded different... like a superfrozen arctic snow that felt more like styrofoam than anything else. I really liked it. I also had all the speed upgrades and a sword, so I felt like a predator racing over the open environments.

One thing I loved about IW is every level has its own atmosphere. The eerie, cold arctic. The sterile, soulless (in a good way), modern Upper Seattle. The sinister, gothic Templar hideout. Etc. It's the opposite of Deus Ex: Human Revolution where everything just blends together into one yellow meh.

you can't be a false sequel when the events of trigger are why cross even happened.

Resident Evil 4? Metal Gear Rising Revengeance?

@@JonathanPaspula re 4 is still connected to the rest of the series. mgrr is a spin off not a sequel.

Human Revolution imo was good but like a lot of post 2001 immersive sims there is usually one design flaw that holds it back from greatness. In DE1 you make decisions on how to approach a problem organically, but in HR you usually choose at the beginning if you want stealth or combat.

JC's personality allows him to be adversarial and sardonic toward every character he meets, and especially the highly opinionated ones. He can even insult an insane drug addict for threatening to blow him up with a grenade right to his face. Replay the game.

@@BobExcalibur Most of those remarks seem to be a byproduct of an accident, on the borderline of amateurish voice acting from a B rated movie. Example: killing Chad Dumier and making that funny "He was a good man *tsk* What a rotten way to die." That was not intentional, though very entertaining. Don't get me wrong. I loved both games. I'm just saying that it won't win any Oscars or anything. My guess is that J.C. Denton was supposed to sound like Neo from the Matrix or something. Paul Denton, the terrorists, Manderley, Tong and nearly everyone else has much more character, emotion, interest in what's going on around them. J.C. is made to be an emotionless killing machine. It's part of the plot too.

@@MisterAAnderson You're getting the voice acting confused with the script. A character who is no more than an emotionless killing machine would not contest the nationalistic rhetoric of the bar tender in Hong Kong, or criticise the Morpheus AI for its insistence that humans place no value in freedom.

@@BobExcalibur Do you need emotions to question things?

@@MisterAAnderson No, and your point initially was that JC was a "blank slate" and "emotionless". I've pointed out that he was neither of these things. This is tiresome.

I was vastly more engaged by Mankind Divided than Human Revolution personally. I felt more freedom in MD in the levels and choices. HR felt like a linear game to me with a conversation here and there

Same, I started 3 times already and find it boring after a few hours. Dunno why, I liked HR and the first Deus Ex is one of the best game ever, even if I never took the time to finish it.

Mankind Divided, where the plot and world building make no sense, and the dominant strategy is to break into every house in the game and rob the occupants blind, thus completely justifying the anti-aug prejudice that the game is meant to be about opposing.

his human revolution review :" this black woman shows up and i'm sure the manbabies in the comments would have shot her on sight given the chance."

Ragdoll physics were fun to mess around with in IW.

@GiRayne That's really interesting, and I understand that viewpoint for sure. I agree IW tried going for a broader range of possibilities with its endings, but I think for Human Revolution and Mankind Divided, with the limits they had on how the story could end, they focused more on the individual choices leading up to that, especially in how they related to their overarching themes of transhumanism, prejudice, "fake" news, and corporatocracy. While I think the first two games touched on a lot of bigger ideas like those, I always felt like they used those more as an extension of the setting than an actual exploration of those ideas. That may be due in part to the more serious nature with which the newer titles handle those issues compared to the somewhat campier treatment of conspiracies and government secrets that the old games had. Also, as someone who also had never finished Mankind Divided but just recently decided to go back and try it again, I will just say that I absolutely recommend it if you can make the time. The story is a lot better than I expected (despite the disappointing lack of closure), and in terms of exploration and world building, it's arguably the best in the series. The themes also feel particularly relevant right now. When playing in 2016, I recall being somewhat affected by references to the militarization of police and the use of media to reframe civil rights groups as terrorists, but it all seemed a bit heavy-handed at the time. In 2020, it feels practically understated to me now, and that definitely affected the role playing aspects of my approach to the game later on in my first playthrough. It's all great stuff and leaves a much bigger impression than I expected. I started my second playthrough almost immediately and am currently about two thirds of the way in, and still I'm discovering new clues about the main plot and some of the ongoing mysteries of the story that I hadn't recognized before. It has me really excited for another sequel, which I hope Eidos Montreal is able to work on now.

@@BucklingSwashes I don't know how you could come to that conclusion. There is no parity between real world civil rights issues and the augs in Dude Sex: Mancheeks Apart. An event where every augmented person in the world who managed to get a mandatory patch suddenly turned into a feral zombie and attacked everyone around them would not be blamed on the augmented people; that event is transparently the fault of the corporations responsible for providing the augmentation and the patch. Darrow and Seraph would have been pilloried, and resentment would exist certainly, but the idea that augs would get treated like they are in DX:MD is ludicrous. Trying to make an allegory for 13 do 50 being caused by "white privilege" and "systemic racism" with global spontaneous mind control with a clear culprit is asinine. Fantastical allegories are nearly always stupid. Mutants are not an acceptable allegory for gays, Klingons are not an acceptable allegory for Muslims, and androids are not suitable allegories for the subaltern.

My favourite experience in DX:MD was first getting to "The Throat". No words, just a haunting piece of music and wonderful visuals.

one person i remember described human revolution as fan fiction. i agree both prequels feel so irreverent to the over all series.

HR had a good balance between gameplay and story IMO, I didn't even really mind the piss filter from a thematic standpoint. MD has the best gameplay in the series but the story is awful. It feels like the devs wanted to make anything other than a deus ex game, like the visual design for MD screams to me that they made it out of force rather than wanting, like they made the world and gameplay first for something they wanted and then had to think of a way to fit deus ex into it. I do hope SE takes it back off the shelf and let us finish the obvious trilogy someday or at the very least let Montreal go full on with their design and make it it's own IP.